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It is unfair,illogical and arbitrary to argue that the proposed change will lead to favoritism,casteism and saffronization.The current civil service exam is incapable to assess a candidate’s skills in its entirety.Having same pipeline for the selection of a diplomat, a bureaucrat and a police officer who all require different skill sets and aptitude is illogical.I hope the proposed change will provide the platform to assess the skills required for each jobs.The government should implement it without any kind of delays
Check anticidents of people being deployed in LBSNAA, you will come to know most of them have RSS background. It is easy for them to promote people of their ilk.
BTW complete saffronisation of bureaucracy is one of the agendas also like other constitutional bodies and other institutions, universities, etc.
This is really a very bad and unappreciative step from the side of government. It is confirm that this step is going to increase favouritism,casteism and corruption in this service.The government is not doing justice for students.
Now manusmiriti is on fire , each and every filed is captured by manu. And upsc the most trustable body is now going to courrpt . caste caste caste everywhere caste will be there . not talent not rank is now needed only u should be bhramid , chhattriya and vaishya , enough.
1. It’s a very very good step when we are thinking in a positive note (Foundation course will be judged based on the person capabilities and then allot the cadre, there is no space for reservation, and behaviour will takes more important role here, and I agree. But
2. what about the foundation course officials? If political pressure or any other powers Influencing them to select the particular person as IAS or IPS?
So entire system will be crashed out.
There is a solution for this.. May it helps…
The foundation course organization should be like one of the organ of Constitution. (So no one can influence). So there should not be any corruption in this particular process.
This is not enough,since this is a well known fact that Britishers introduced this ICS for exploiting this nation and for their own profit.
People were not comfortable to meet british officers because of their big bungalows and pomp and show.In independent India also,our common people feel afraid to meet this bureaucrats because of their arrogance.So,there is no use of this british bureaucracy for the welfare of common people.
After independence all ruling parties maintained this british Indian civil services, sothat corrupt politicians of different parties could loot public money with the help of these Indian civil servants.
This civil services system has been already abolished in Britain and junior officers become senior officers through promotion on the basis of their performance.
Officers should not be immuned from removal and punishments,which was done purposely by Britishers, sothat british civil servants could do harm to this country.
This bureaucracy has been the root cause of corruption in this country,and we see in news everyday that how these officers are caught sometimes with huge money.There was one Mr. Goswami of bihar cadre,whose picture was printed on the cover page of Time and later he died because of infection,which he got infected in Jail.
Case of IAS officer Chandrakala is the latest example of such corrupt bureaucrats.
But Modiji neither have such vision nor he wants to replace this system with a transparent and healthy bureaucratic system,since there are politicians in his party also,who are in politics to loot public money and they all know that without the cooperation of these corrupt burucarcy they cannot loot this nation.
So,this system will continue till a true rationalistic party comes to power,which is no where seen in present.
The move cannot be faulted because it is adding one more layer to the process aimed at selecting the best candidates and assigning them according to the F.C. ranking. The only rider is the process must be objective and fully insulated from any outside influence.
I fear shrinking is definitely going to exterminate bureaucracy in the long run to wash off the much attached unnecessary lopsided n irrational craze for bureaucracy where the bureaucrats develop a vainglorious fake ego about clearing just one so called hyped exam in the entire universe ,where as every exam, every entrance exam is hell tough,what toughness they talk about? is it meant for the attempting of ppl with allien’s IQ or what??.Also its jus a job.. every b.crat is a govt servant like ne other employee of govt it has it’s own perks jus like any other job has ,clearing one tough exam doesnt make u a hero being just a graduate and clearing a tough exam what extraordinary merit it is ? No sound logic can ever support its extraordinary prowess it ain’t even a professional course,hence it definitely needs to be upgraded.No exam is ever a judge of someone’s intellect and wisdom getting through any exam needs following a set of protocols and the ones apt at religiously following it clear n exam what’s great deal abt it..dnt add extra kudos to it as otherwise all other professions would be buried as no one wud want to be inferior nd bureaucracy will rule the roost an example of it being in a race inside water how can a monkey win so if fishes think they r the kings of the world all vices will creep inside them.
I completely appreciate the govts move …
This is really a very bad and unappreciative step from the side of government. It is confirm that this step is going to increase favouritism,casteism and corruption in this service.The government is not doing justice for students.
The idea given by PM Modi is not completely correct but we have to obey his command or order as PM is head of nation.
IAS,IPS , IFS, IEES etc should not be under the hand of political power. Politicians should not decided the knowledge of Intellectual person. The Modi’s Idea decline the hope,confident of UPSC aspirants.
For example: If UPSC qualified Candidate is not in the ruling political party during an election, voting time, then he/she may given to lower Rank in foundation course system by political power.
Totally agree with you, are yaar jo system pehle se he perfect hai, then why screw with it. I’m a modi fan but this decision I absolutely reject
Agree with Punam. Very good division by government. After selection in in civil services every candidate is equal there is not a pillar for them to categorise them Hindu caste category e religion and state while candidate it is a civil servant and no they need to prove to their efficiency and performance in foundation course every candidate it need to to be serious and dedicated add so that they can get desired cader. The civil servants actually governs our country so so they really need every time to be e prepared and focused four national issues.
In netao Ka to koe paper Nahi koe foundation course , koe age limit Nahi , koe interview Nahi , koe qualification Nahi fir bi ye desh ke PM CM MP ban jate h .
Sahi kaha bhai apne politicians ko bhi ek exam conduct karo tab pata chalege
This govt was not elected by people but by EVM and EC. So they will do whatever they want irrespective of peoples hue and cry. No one can oppose their move or else will be stamped as anti national. Freedom movement has to start again to free India from Modi and his party.
There opposition is left to oppose. Now ruling patty is all in all. Every institution / caste is bring crippled. It is not development or uplift of India. Don’t towards what India is heading? Mughals or britshers in new shape.
It is is very good move to take seriously foundation course. Those who were on the margin just because of few marks but had great leadership qualities will get noticed and may be given correct cadre on the basis of FC.
Purely a good move by the govt, we should welcome the change for the nation’s interest as the performance in the foundation course will take out the candidate of right choice for the right service. But it must be ensured by the govt that no nepotism/ favoritism is involved. This will enhance the performance of civil servants
The government must be accountable for every decision it makes, they give a detailed account of how their decisions are in best interest of people and how inefficient was the prevailing system was that they gave a way to change it. Not only this issue but other issues too that have been legislated e.g. electoral bonds and many others
Govt must have taken this step with pros and cons, but people are apprehensive. Rather it should be welcomed as a change in these services. Trainees will take FC seriously and it will surely make strong foundation for life time. This method is already followed in Armed Forces for inter se seniority.
BY WORKING SO HARD THE CANDIDATES DO NOT KNOW THE WHICH OR CADRE HE/HER GOING TO GET . AFTER THE FOUNDATION COURSE IF THE CANDIDATE NOT GET HIS DESIRABLE CADRE . IT MEANS HE DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME FOR PREPARATION FOR NEXT ATTEMPT. NOT A GOOD MOVE.
It will give scope for backdoor occupations pushing real meritorious aside, as the proposed 10% can change the rank totally. Deprived may even approach the Courts for legal redress. The authorities should have a second look before implementation.
The sad irony of the nation is that what ever action the government takes is subjected to some of the controversy with out seeing the results. It means that we are doubting the integrity of a government which is selected by us only, in a way we are doubting ourselves. Why can’t we believe that the government will always take an action which in all ways will be beneficial for the nation, why we always colour every issues issues among BJP and non BJP ?
Every step that is being taken is setting up a motion against the influential people, a revolution is coming. I feel it, a struggle somewhat like French revolution. The more resentment is seen everywhere.
Nepotism ,political interference and favoritism will be of big concern in this system . Awful decision by the govt . Didn’t expect this from modi?.
People who are even born at July 31 belonging to general category won’t be able to write the civil services prelims 2020.Irony is that age limit is 32 and none of them will be 32 when its prelims happen .Donno wat is the logic..!!
It will corrupt the system …does govt want to control everything and everybody??….are we going towards the dictator sheep ??…major concern .. everyone should oppes this bill …and nobody should ever change the equal level feild
Worse idea . This will lead to corruption .It will Disadvantage those civil aspirant belong from dalits ,tribals ,backward class,Non hindi speaking state and other minority religion . People belonging from urban area cannot compete with those aspirant from big cities . High chances of misuse of power and money . Firstly change in RTI Act and now this .
An elitist step. How can someone from remote Bihar compete with a Stephanian or IITian? The level playing field established by anonymous written exam will now get overshadowed by this component. The poor and not well groomed should now focus at state services.
It is going to open platforms for major loopholes.. favouritism and bribery might resurface..
And above all, competitives are fairest means to get into any field.. after getting selection through competitives, everyone gets to know the candidate and their background..for sure this will lead to adulteration, reservations and unethical practices. God saves this system.
Now BJP will decide the choices of life for all. Ultimately, either citizens will survive or BJP. Labour laws are getting amended as well. Private workers will be exploited even more now. Ironically, nobody can do a thing about it.
Not beneficial much as would open the door for corruption and power use by senior officials. Every year we saw children of IAS, IPS etc join service if foundation course marks are counted then bribes to officials giving 10 % marks would become prevalent.
Not idea especially for few reasons
1. Aspirants will loose hopes and trust on themselves.
2. Students who think government is not in favour of , will not provide better rank at all
3. Government will have power over
Excellent move by Modi Govt. This will enhance the performance of the service cadres for which UPSC was created and they are selected. If the performance of the service cadres while discharging their services are not good, what is the use of UPSC ??
What about favouritism, nepotism,etc creeping into the system. What about people from non hindi belt, SC, ST,etc not being favoured by the faculties of Lbsnaa, which according to my sources are already RSS laden? Too many loopholes in this system to yield a desirable democratic value. That is if you don’t considered democratic values to be of the highest order in the first place.
It is unfair,illogical and arbitrary to argue that the proposed change will lead to favoritism,casteism and saffronization.The current civil service exam is incapable to assess a candidate’s skills in its entirety.Having same pipeline for the selection of a diplomat, a bureaucrat and a police officer who all require different skill sets and aptitude is illogical.I hope the proposed change will provide the platform to assess the skills required for each jobs.The government should implement it without any kind of delays
Check anticidents of people being deployed in LBSNAA, you will come to know most of them have RSS background. It is easy for them to promote people of their ilk.
BTW complete saffronisation of bureaucracy is one of the agendas also like other constitutional bodies and other institutions, universities, etc.
This is really a very bad and unappreciative step from the side of government. It is confirm that this step is going to increase favouritism,casteism and corruption in this service.The government is not doing justice for students.
Now manusmiriti is on fire , each and every filed is captured by manu. And upsc the most trustable body is now going to courrpt . caste caste caste everywhere caste will be there . not talent not rank is now needed only u should be bhramid , chhattriya and vaishya , enough.
I do have two views for this initiative
1. It’s a very very good step when we are thinking in a positive note (Foundation course will be judged based on the person capabilities and then allot the cadre, there is no space for reservation, and behaviour will takes more important role here, and I agree. But
2. what about the foundation course officials? If political pressure or any other powers Influencing them to select the particular person as IAS or IPS?
So entire system will be crashed out.
There is a solution for this.. May it helps…
The foundation course organization should be like one of the organ of Constitution. (So no one can influence). So there should not be any corruption in this particular process.
Vijayeshwar Reddy
UPSC ASPIRANT
vijayeshwarreddy. jobmail@gmail.com
This is not enough,since this is a well known fact that Britishers introduced this ICS for exploiting this nation and for their own profit.
People were not comfortable to meet british officers because of their big bungalows and pomp and show.In independent India also,our common people feel afraid to meet this bureaucrats because of their arrogance.So,there is no use of this british bureaucracy for the welfare of common people.
After independence all ruling parties maintained this british Indian civil services, sothat corrupt politicians of different parties could loot public money with the help of these Indian civil servants.
This civil services system has been already abolished in Britain and junior officers become senior officers through promotion on the basis of their performance.
Officers should not be immuned from removal and punishments,which was done purposely by Britishers, sothat british civil servants could do harm to this country.
This bureaucracy has been the root cause of corruption in this country,and we see in news everyday that how these officers are caught sometimes with huge money.There was one Mr. Goswami of bihar cadre,whose picture was printed on the cover page of Time and later he died because of infection,which he got infected in Jail.
Case of IAS officer Chandrakala is the latest example of such corrupt bureaucrats.
But Modiji neither have such vision nor he wants to replace this system with a transparent and healthy bureaucratic system,since there are politicians in his party also,who are in politics to loot public money and they all know that without the cooperation of these corrupt burucarcy they cannot loot this nation.
So,this system will continue till a true rationalistic party comes to power,which is no where seen in present.
The move cannot be faulted because it is adding one more layer to the process aimed at selecting the best candidates and assigning them according to the F.C. ranking. The only rider is the process must be objective and fully insulated from any outside influence.
I fear shrinking is definitely going to exterminate bureaucracy in the long run to wash off the much attached unnecessary lopsided n irrational craze for bureaucracy where the bureaucrats develop a vainglorious fake ego about clearing just one so called hyped exam in the entire universe ,where as every exam, every entrance exam is hell tough,what toughness they talk about? is it meant for the attempting of ppl with allien’s IQ or what??.Also its jus a job.. every b.crat is a govt servant like ne other employee of govt it has it’s own perks jus like any other job has ,clearing one tough exam doesnt make u a hero being just a graduate and clearing a tough exam what extraordinary merit it is ? No sound logic can ever support its extraordinary prowess it ain’t even a professional course,hence it definitely needs to be upgraded.No exam is ever a judge of someone’s intellect and wisdom getting through any exam needs following a set of protocols and the ones apt at religiously following it clear n exam what’s great deal abt it..dnt add extra kudos to it as otherwise all other professions would be buried as no one wud want to be inferior nd bureaucracy will rule the roost an example of it being in a race inside water how can a monkey win so if fishes think they r the kings of the world all vices will creep inside them.
I completely appreciate the govts move …
This is really a very bad and unappreciative step from the side of government. It is confirm that this step is going to increase favouritism,casteism and corruption in this service.The government is not doing justice for students.
Root of corruption!
The idea given by PM Modi is not completely correct but we have to obey his command or order as PM is head of nation.
IAS,IPS , IFS, IEES etc should not be under the hand of political power. Politicians should not decided the knowledge of Intellectual person. The Modi’s Idea decline the hope,confident of UPSC aspirants.
For example: If UPSC qualified Candidate is not in the ruling political party during an election, voting time, then he/she may given to lower Rank in foundation course system by political power.
Totally agree with you, are yaar jo system pehle se he perfect hai, then why screw with it. I’m a modi fan but this decision I absolutely reject
Agree with Punam. Very good division by government. After selection in in civil services every candidate is equal there is not a pillar for them to categorise them Hindu caste category e religion and state while candidate it is a civil servant and no they need to prove to their efficiency and performance in foundation course every candidate it need to to be serious and dedicated add so that they can get desired cader. The civil servants actually governs our country so so they really need every time to be e prepared and focused four national issues.
In netao Ka to koe paper Nahi koe foundation course , koe age limit Nahi , koe interview Nahi , koe qualification Nahi fir bi ye desh ke PM CM MP ban jate h .
Sahi kaha bhai apne politicians ko bhi ek exam conduct karo tab pata chalege
This govt was not elected by people but by EVM and EC. So they will do whatever they want irrespective of peoples hue and cry. No one can oppose their move or else will be stamped as anti national. Freedom movement has to start again to free India from Modi and his party.
There opposition is left to oppose. Now ruling patty is all in all. Every institution / caste is bring crippled. It is not development or uplift of India. Don’t towards what India is heading? Mughals or britshers in new shape.
It is is very good move to take seriously foundation course. Those who were on the margin just because of few marks but had great leadership qualities will get noticed and may be given correct cadre on the basis of FC.
Purely a good move by the govt, we should welcome the change for the nation’s interest as the performance in the foundation course will take out the candidate of right choice for the right service. But it must be ensured by the govt that no nepotism/ favoritism is involved. This will enhance the performance of civil servants
More room for nepotism, favoritism, casteism and corruption now, which wouldn’t have been possible earlier.
The government must be accountable for every decision it makes, they give a detailed account of how their decisions are in best interest of people and how inefficient was the prevailing system was that they gave a way to change it. Not only this issue but other issues too that have been legislated e.g. electoral bonds and many others
Govt must have taken this step with pros and cons, but people are apprehensive. Rather it should be welcomed as a change in these services. Trainees will take FC seriously and it will surely make strong foundation for life time. This method is already followed in Armed Forces for inter se seniority.
BY WORKING SO HARD THE CANDIDATES DO NOT KNOW THE WHICH OR CADRE HE/HER GOING TO GET . AFTER THE FOUNDATION COURSE IF THE CANDIDATE NOT GET HIS DESIRABLE CADRE . IT MEANS HE DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME FOR PREPARATION FOR NEXT ATTEMPT. NOT A GOOD MOVE.
It will give scope for backdoor occupations pushing real meritorious aside, as the proposed 10% can change the rank totally. Deprived may even approach the Courts for legal redress. The authorities should have a second look before implementation.
Can anybody explain 10% weightage in terms of total marks
The sad irony of the nation is that what ever action the government takes is subjected to some of the controversy with out seeing the results. It means that we are doubting the integrity of a government which is selected by us only, in a way we are doubting ourselves. Why can’t we believe that the government will always take an action which in all ways will be beneficial for the nation, why we always colour every issues issues among BJP and non BJP ?
Every step that is being taken is setting up a motion against the influential people, a revolution is coming. I feel it, a struggle somewhat like French revolution. The more resentment is seen everywhere.
Nepotism ,political interference and favoritism will be of big concern in this system . Awful decision by the govt . Didn’t expect this from modi?.
People who are even born at July 31 belonging to general category won’t be able to write the civil services prelims 2020.Irony is that age limit is 32 and none of them will be 32 when its prelims happen .Donno wat is the logic..!!
It will corrupt the system …does govt want to control everything and everybody??….are we going towards the dictator sheep ??…major concern .. everyone should oppes this bill …and nobody should ever change the equal level feild
Worse idea . This will lead to corruption .It will Disadvantage those civil aspirant belong from dalits ,tribals ,backward class,Non hindi speaking state and other minority religion . People belonging from urban area cannot compete with those aspirant from big cities . High chances of misuse of power and money . Firstly change in RTI Act and now this .
An elitist step. How can someone from remote Bihar compete with a Stephanian or IITian? The level playing field established by anonymous written exam will now get overshadowed by this component. The poor and not well groomed should now focus at state services.
It is going to open platforms for major loopholes.. favouritism and bribery might resurface..
And above all, competitives are fairest means to get into any field.. after getting selection through competitives, everyone gets to know the candidate and their background..for sure this will lead to adulteration, reservations and unethical practices. God saves this system.
I think letter has been misinterpreted. 10 % weight age of F.C. will be given in overall traing.
Not a good move at all
Government shouldn’t have altered the examination procedure
Now BJP will decide the choices of life for all. Ultimately, either citizens will survive or BJP. Labour laws are getting amended as well. Private workers will be exploited even more now. Ironically, nobody can do a thing about it.
Not beneficial much as would open the door for corruption and power use by senior officials. Every year we saw children of IAS, IPS etc join service if foundation course marks are counted then bribes to officials giving 10 % marks would become prevalent.
Could you give link to the above said order or pdf
The tree is being shaken from the roots. May it yield the most succulent fruit.
Not idea especially for few reasons
1. Aspirants will loose hopes and trust on themselves.
2. Students who think government is not in favour of , will not provide better rank at all
3. Government will have power over
Excellent move by Modi Govt. This will enhance the performance of the service cadres for which UPSC was created and they are selected. If the performance of the service cadres while discharging their services are not good, what is the use of UPSC ??
What about favouritism, nepotism,etc creeping into the system. What about people from non hindi belt, SC, ST,etc not being favoured by the faculties of Lbsnaa, which according to my sources are already RSS laden? Too many loopholes in this system to yield a desirable democratic value. That is if you don’t considered democratic values to be of the highest order in the first place.