On 2 August this year, the government of Jammu and Kashmir (under President’s rule) cancelled the annual Amarnath Yatra. There were “intelligence inputs of terror threats, with specific targeting of the Amarnath Yatra,” it said. The security situation must have been really, really bad because this was the first time the Amarnath Yatra was cancelled altogether.
Yet, the security situation was good enough for the Narendra Modi government to make Article 370 null and void, as also Article 35A, divide the state into two union territories and place hundreds of pro-India political actors in jail.
The contradiction leaves you with the conclusion that the Modi government was in a political hurry to radically change the constitutional status of the state of Jammu and Kashmir, and such was the tearing hurry that it cancelled the Amarnath Yatra. Yet no Hindu — absolutely no one— seems to have cried hoarse about the hurt to Hindu sentiments. Imagine a Congress government cancelling the Amarnath Yatra for political expedience.
Similarly, the political discourse around the issue of Kashmiri Pandits is replete with political hypocrisy.
A video has emerged recently of Sandeep Chakravorty, India’s Consul General in New York, addressing what seems to be a private gathering of Kashmiri Pandits. For the record, he says his remarks have been taken “out of context,” which is what people say after putting their foot in their mouth.
Chakravorty makes a number of assertions that are either factually wrong, or show no understanding of the history and culture of Kashmir.
Let us take them one by one.
Also read: Indian consul general in US suggests Israel model for Kashmiri Pandits’ return, kicks up row
Non-existent refugee ‘camps’
First, he says, “I believe in our lifetime we will have our land back, our people will have to go back, because not everybody can live in the United States. Our Kashmiri Pandit brethren are living in camps, in Jammu, in Delhi, on the streets…”
A lie repeated a thousand times becomes the truth. So, it is possible that Sandeep Chakravorty genuinely believes Kashmiri Pandits are still living in camps and on the streets. If facts mattered, that is not the case. In both Jammu and in Delhi, they have been moved into proper houses. And most of it has happened under Congress regimes. People would have known more about it if the Congress knew how to tom-tom its achievements like the BJP.
Yet, the word “camps” will be repeated ad nauseam because how else do you claim continuing victimhood? Take for instance this report by Pooja Shali in India Today, which says, “Kashmiri Pandits living in the Jagti refugee camp appreciated PM Modi-led government’s decision to revoke the state’s special status.” The deliberate yet subtle falsehood here is to describe Jagti as a camp and not a ‘township’. You can see here a photo of the entrance to the Jagti apartments. For anyone who doesn’t understand what a camp is, here is a photo of how the Pandits once lived in camps.
Similarly, Pandit refugees in Delhi have been given flats. One could argue about the size and upkeep of the flats given to them, but if facts matter, they are not camps. And no one is certainly living on the streets.
Also read: Why Kashmiri Pandits can’t return to the Valley, even if they want to
An exaggerated fear
Now that we are clear about the difference between flats and camps, let us tackle another claim by Mr Chakravorty. The claim is that Pandits are not returning to the Kashmir Valley because of fear. He says in the video, “You will not go because of fear of life, but I think that fear will go away.”
If Kashmiri Pandit refugees are unable to return to live in Kashmir due to fear, how is it that 808 Kashmiri Pandit families (or around 3-4,000 people) still live in the Valley in 292 different locations? That’s the count done by the Srinagar-based Sanjay Tickoo of the Kashmiri Pandit Sangharsh Samiti. If fear is the reason, how is it that thousands of Kashmiri Pandits visit the Valley, on holidays and personal trips, or for pilgrimages such as the annual Kheer Bhawani festival in Tulmulla?
Cruel and inhuman as the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits was, being a refugee is a complicated matter. Kashmiri Pandit refugees may be able to physically relocate to their old homes, but they can’t go back in time. A resilient, educated, well-connected community, the Pandit refugees have got education and jobs and are now spread across India and the world. Would a Kashmiri Pandit refugee’s son or daughter working in a corporate job want to return to the family home in the old city of Srinagar? Why would someone leave a corporate job in Mumbai unless they could find an equivalent job in Srinagar?
Arvind Gigoo is a retired English lecturer from Kashmir, now living in a flat in Jammu with his wife. He moved to Jammu after the exodus in 1991. Over several meetings in Jammu and Delhi between 2010-2012, I asked him why he never thought of returning and living in his home in Srinagar. He explained that his friends were now all in Jammu. It’s the same reason why he doesn’t live with his son in Delhi, the writer Siddhartha Gigoo. When Arvind Gigoo went back to Srinagar after many years, he felt like an outsider, because he didn’t know anyone anymore. People migrate and die, and so on. The young look at a Pandit speaking in Kashmiri like an oddity from a mythical past. But the most important reason he couldn’t imagine going back to living in Srinagar was comfort. The old house, the old way of living, the old kind of toilets, the dirty old lanes. He was comfortable living in a more modern house in Jammu. He eventually sold the Srinagar house — something many Pandits did.
So, when we speak of the “return” of Pandits, it is not a physical relocation we need to think of. Pandits cannot return to a Kashmir that is pre-1989, because it does not exist anymore.
Also read: Build Kashmiri Pandit colonies in J&K, return properties — RSS sends ‘wishlist’ to Modi govt
Israel model vs Indian model
Now that we have debunked the myth of security fears preventing Pandits from returning to the Valley, let us look at Sandeep Chakravorty’s Israel model that drew applause from the audience. This model basically implies creating a special enclave for Pandits. So, there could be a Hindu Kashmir and a Muslim Kashmir, physically demarcated, because we haven’t been making Mohammed Ali Jinnah proud enough already.
The idea is an old one, it used to be known as “Panun Kashmir”. Interestingly, the BJP never endorsed it, though one doesn’t know what the BJP of Modi-Shah thinks. The removal of Article 35A has so far not been followed up with any reassurance that the Modi government will not settle Indians in the Kashmir Valley.
So, if the plan is to bring about a demographic change in the Valley (you never know these days, hare-brained ideas are in excess supply), then the Israel model is not what we are looking at. Instead, we are looking at the China model.
And yet, there is an Indian model we have forgotten. This model died in Kashmir the day Jawaharlal Nehru had Sheikh Abdullah arrested, and maybe it’s too late to revive it. The Indian model is one of “integration”. The only meaningful way Kashmiri Pandits could “return” to Kashmir is if the wall of suspicion and mistrust between Pandits and Muslims was brought down. This could be done through a South Africa-style truth and reconciliation exercise.
But the Modi establishment doesn’t seem to think the sentiments, feelings, aspirations of Kashmiri Muslims matter. There is no reconciliation on offer of any kind.
Also read: Kashmiri Pandits in US decry unfair coverage, protest outside The Washington Post office
‘Kashmir culture is the Hindu culture’
For an Indian diplomat, Sandeep Chakravorty is embarrassingly ill-informed. He betrays his ignorance of Kashmir when he says, “We all have to keep the Kashmiri culture alive. The Kashmiri culture is the Indian culture is the Hindu culture. I feel as much Kashmiri as anybody else.”
To know what Kashmiri culture is/was, he should Google and read up why a Kashmiri Muslim family is at the centre of the Amarnath Yatra. He could read a few books on the now-discredited idea of Kashmiriyat, of syncretism in the Valley. No, Kashmiri, Hindu, and Indian are not the same thing. They could co-exist, if only people like Sandeep Chakravorty understood the beauty of the Nehruvian idea of unity in diversity rather than follow in Jinnah’s footsteps.
Views are personal.
This article has been updated to reflect that the quote from Arvind Gigoo was taken by the author from 2011-2012.
How that a few Kashmiri Pandiths still living in Kashmir is indicative of no persecution by the peacefuls. Does the author vouch there was no persecution – genocide of Kashmiri pandits by Muslims way back in January 1990. On the same logic how the author look at the drastic decline in Hindu population in Pakistan.
By the way what according to the author is the feelings of kashmiri Muslims. Is it that once kashmiri pandits return restart what is left or available now of pandits as done in January 1990 or thereafter.
YOU MUST RECALL THAT IN JANUARY 1990 THERE WAS A GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED FROM OUTSIDE BY THE BJP AND ALSO THE COMMUNISTS . WE HAD NEVER HEARD A WHISPER FROM BOTH PARTIES DURING THAT PERIOD . ALSO, ” KIDNAPPING ” OF MUFTI MOHAMMED SAEED’S DAUGHTER AND HER RELEASE IN EXCHANGE OF JAILED JKLF TERRORISTS TOO TOOK PLACE UNDER THE VP SINGH GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED THE BJP . THERE WAS NOT EVEN A WHIMPER AT THAT TIME FROM THE BJP/RSS .
I was surprised by the Heading, thought there is a sensible Article by The Print at last.
Relieved that it reinforces the fact that only stupid people write for The Print. Childish arguments. Since KPs go to Valley for pilgrimage, all is well between the two communities. Dear Writer, We go to Pakistan also for pilgrimage.
He is not Hindu , he must be from other religion writing with fake Hindu name to tease to irritate Hindu Such things can happen only in India where any body can abuse Hindu . There’s only one way let all real Hindu ban reading such Print like articles and news channels
To me this writer is Pakistani agent
how can he write this kind of shit
Totally Pathetic. Mr Shivam Vij & The Print pay lip service to the Exodus of Pandits only to then belittle, dehumanize and explain away the Pandits trauma. Does this pass for journalism at The Print? Shame on you lot. Credibility is hard won and your team just lost it.
I feel, Vij should do more home work before writing these type of article.
The article is totally ABSURD. it is far from truth. Girls from used to come to us and beg for food and clothing. They never took money.
The article is like the people who make the videos of accident victims on the road and circulate it and think they have done some good job in helping the victim. You can understand the pain, when you go through it, otherwise it is usual or ever happening thing, which can’t be controlled.
The author is ignorant of or denying what happened between 1989 amd 1991. I have personally talked with a lot of Kashmiri Pandits. Even the conversation after so many years makes them shudder. Mr Vij (if that is his real name….because the article reads like it is penned by a Pakistani writer) is very ill informed.
This article has some inaccuracies
I see hungry and bankrupt pakistanis are still funding Jaichands with their newly acquired loans to pay interests.
Good luck porkisstan.
It’s good to see to call the bluff on the boogie of “KP exodus” anytime and everytime to counter the solution to Kashmir issue. Well done!
Who are you for making specialist’s comment without giving any reason, dear Sujith communist mian ????
The Print is “baiting for clicks” with this recycled trash from early December. It was utter garbage then and it’s stench has only got worse now. The author is so evidently uninformed about the reality of Kashmiri Pandits (their history and their reality today) ; the article does not merit a detailed reply. Let any genuinely interested reader on the topic do their own research, the fallacy of most if not all of this article’s facts will reveal themselves. Certain truths are really self evident. Shame on The Print for allowing this to run once again, I expect balance from your paper- if this goes on, you may just table yourself a tabloid looking to incite emotions for your clicks.
Mr. Vij’s daughters did not beg alms in offices of Connaught Place or did whatever in nights to keep hearth warm for their families. I would love to have one to one chat with this sponsored writer just to let him know what self respecting. Kashmiris had to do just to live !
Vij’s article reflects facts and truth.
Who are you for making specialist’s comment without giving any reason, dear Sattar mian ????
You have had enough of freedom to public all such crap. One day some good guys will come along and screw the hell ? out of fellas like you.
He is congressi bhdava, doesn’t no pain leaving outside our own land. So don’t take him seriously
Hello Mr Shivam Vij, kashmir culture is hindu, there was no Islam or Arabic culture here before 1350 AD. There is no farcical kashmiryat. Nobody makes composite culture in it’s home. Why not make composite so -called secular environment in Arabia.
Very badly researched, very superficial , immature and hurtful article.
How did this get printed?
This article hurts the sentiments of a community and insults the intelligence of many.
This article should be removed and an apology printed.
This article seems to have only one agenda viz. Discredit the Indian consul general.
Who is this author. Now a days any Aira gaira nahtu khaira is a writer. Write anything g without facts and create a imaginative truth. It’s a shame that such people are Given space on media and even allowed To do journalism.
The biggest problem in india is they don’t wante to lison to truth. They think they gifted wat I say to u indian is wen girls r born i kill them how r u going to carry on with it generation if u kill all the girls . Use it head not ur mouth n hands
This is one of the bravest articles I have read. It takes courage to speak the truth. The Hindu right and the Kashmiri Pandits supporting the Hindu right
have completely dehumanised Kashmiri Muslims. The Hindu right seeks to simply exploit the trauma faced by the Kashmiri pandits without alleviating it
in any moral way. All they want is to nurture the darkest sentiments for the trauma to feed on. Every Kashmiri Muslim seen through these dark sentiments becomes a beast on whom any atrocity can be justified. Kashmiri women can be raped, Kashmiri men and children tortured without any compunction. In this evil schema of the Hindu right the Kashmiri Muslim as well as the Kashmiri Pandit are equally dehumanised, albeit in different ways. The Kashmiri Muslim is unworthy of the slightest human dignity and the Kashmiri pandit is an immoral, bloodthirsty creature seeking revenge in the form of collective punishment.
How easily we forget the massacre of the Muslims in Jammu, 200000 of whom were wiped out by the Dogra king in order to change the demographic balance between Hindus and Muslims.
I salute your for your humanism Shivam and for providing a way forward that acknowledges the humanity of all Kashmiris rather the give in to the bestiality of ethnic cleansing that is the logic outcome of the plans of the Hindu right, what is called the Israeli way, so proudly by its adherents.
My dear friend
Please go through the history for over 5000years there was no Islam and Christianity then, just bcz of Hindu Santhan Dharma any other religions that we see in India now, So here we need to be with utmost patience towards what the government will do to establish peace in the valley.
The author of this article must watch – a kasmiri 1990 violence survivor Ms.Sunanda Vashist’s addressing the UNESCO a couple of days ago and should re – write a new article.
Thanks…
Thank you Mr. Gadameedi, for exhibiting the true spirit of friendship by addressing me in so kind a manner. I am truly touched. In the same spirit of friendship, I would advise you to read the Charvakas and their criticism of Brahminism and the Sanathana Dharma. I would also advice you to read the Ambedkar’s “Annihilation of Caste” which demonstrates the social violence that underpinned Hindu society in the name of caste. No society that can perpetuate so much violence against the a section of its own members, the Shudras and the Untouchables, not in random war but in day to day activities, denying them water, forcing them to wear rags, denying them education, keeping them purposefully in a condition worse than animals, can be considered a peaceful society. No religion that can wipe out another religion like Buddhism in a such a short span of time can be considered peaceful. Read Tagore on nationalism in India. He gives you a vision of Sanatana Dharma. Our ruling party’s idea of Hinduism comes from Golwalkar and Savarkar, the former being an avid admirer of Nazism and the Nazi Holocaust and the latter being an advocate of rape as a political weapon. If you believe that this ruling party is a proponent of Sanathana Dharma then it is not one that I recognize. If what they do is Sanathana Dharma then I do not want to have anything to do with it.
Torture of children, humiliating innocent women and children, shooting pellet guns in the eyes of 2-year old girls cannot be Sanathana Dharma and cannot lead to peace.
Islam and Christianity are better than Hinduism in this one regard. They are both religions based on the idea of social equality where any human being is capable of acquiring salvation unlike Hinduism where Untouchables and Shudras are denied the means to salvation because they are not allowed to read the scriptures and engage in the necessary ritual practices.
We have a lot to learn from Islam and Christianity just as we have a lot to teach them. I am proud of what these religions have given to India. Let us not be so arrogant as to think we Hindus know everything. Let us practice the injunction of Rg Veda 1.89.1: “Let noble thoughts come to us from every side.”
Bull. Islamic Ashrif. Christian had serfdom and slavery. Nonsense speakers from Convent schools and your pretensions to knowledge. You just have propaganda.
I wish the writer would have put his thinking hats on before coming up with this article!
Shivam, do you know what getting thrown out from place of your birth and land of your ancestors mean? Do you know what losing roots mean? Do you know what losing an identity mean? If yes, then you really need to research again because your definitions need a thorough recalibration.
Kashmiri Hindu exodus was 7th exodus in the history of Kashmiri Hindus. It was a genocide. And it was a genocide committed for no fault of Kashmiri Hindus.
Why? And why should Kashmiri Hindus not get justice? And what makes you think modern houses cannot be constructed on old dilapidated structures!
This is a poorly researched ‘assortment of words’ that makes light the horrors faced by the minority Hindu’s of the Kashmir Valley. It minimizes their experiences and the historical injustices thrust upon them. It is a sad piece of journalism which betrays a crude hypocrisy in how it looks upon the human rights of Kashmir’s who were forced to flee the lands of their ancestors. Shame on this Newspaper for publishing this dribble.
Yes it’s true go as back as the editor wrote in this article
I have read the article and the comments. The author has written on an objective analysis. The comments are based on prejudices and negativity. Modern world recognises diversity in biological systems and its contribution in the development of living systems which became the grounds for human development. Yet some people are blind to human diversity and its contributions to the modern societies and civilisations. Fascist ideas emerged and failed in the past. Look at the genetic code of subcontinent and you will find similarities and also the blood lines from many cultures. Today’s great civilisations are built on people from diverse backgrounds. Let’s make diversity a source of strength as a proven force and built societies based on justice and equality to move forward.
The writer must be a congi chamcha or a spoil child of lefty.
I think print gets its funding from pakistan. Look at the way they write their article, kahsmir needs hindu majority then only this problem will be solved once and for all, when were you, when pandits were thrown out.
True
Wish you or someone in your family suffered as Kashmiri Pandita did.
Very easy to write a paragraph on filmsy grounds/personal perception without really passing through the phases kashmiri Pandits had to go through.
Appears you are a planted stooge of Congress.
Kashmiri Pandits had to face all these hardships because of your like perception that Gandhi/Jawahar Nehru had. Above all their helper Abdullah’s got full support in atroticities that were done against the Pandita.
Hope you have been adequately compensated for writing this piece of shut.
Mr. Shivam Vij why u r thinking is going in a negative way ??? Any justification ???
Vjj uses lies that are challenged on SM. His logic is all wrong. He uses false quotes to wreck Kashmiri Hindus and all the might of his pen to protect the criminals who brought havoc upon 5 lakh kashmiri hindu.
Lies from Vij. His logic is all wrong. He uses false quotes to wreck Kashmiri Hindus and all the might of his pen to protect the criminals who wrought havoc upon 5 lakh kashmiri hindu.
I pity your half-baked knowledge and those who encourage you for such Tom foolery!! This article is nauseating and disrespectful towards my displaced community!!!
To summarize if one night Shyam Vij is thrown out if his home in Mumbai or Delhi and all his movable and immovable property is confiscated.
He is provided Govt flat in any other city of his choice in India Then Sham Vij cannot say he is living in a Camp and he should be happy. Within some time the children of Vij might have found jobs somewhere in new city coz they are well educated hence the children should also be happy.
you cannot say kashmiri pandit dont want to return as they are well adjusted now.
Its about giving justice, to the injustice done years ago.
Ok let me throw you out of your home and give a flat in delhi. will it be ok. obviously No.
I agree with your point of not creating seperate hind and muslim area in Kashmir.
It should be based on faith, trust and love
Ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits exposed by Vij. Only few hundred families living in Valley while lakhs have been shoved out to differant part of world. Pandits may be living in pucca makaans but you cannot justify driving them from their homeland.
Just disgusting article!
Shivam Vij this is not an agenda based writing far from facts. You should have interviewed few Kashmiri Pandits.
Request the Print to stop publishing such shallow articles.
Boss… Seriously. I just wish that you aren’t read by any one. Are you even an Indian? I seriously doubt. What bad have we, Indians done to you? Why are you so angry to us to write this kind of completely false articles?
Mr. Vij. Kindly publish a similar article regarding Palestinians. They have been thrown out of land held by their ancestors 3 generations ago. By your assessment, anyone can be expelled from one’s land. Either he/she will not survive, or if he uses his/her survival skills, he/she is bound to relocate. And if he has relocated, he loses his/her right over assets built by his ancestors. Don’t know whether its your Dhimmitude or anti-Modism or combination of both. Another possibility is your lack of intellect.
Mr.Vij, how much money have you got from Pakistan? I feel shame that you’re also a Hindu, have you gone to see that how many people are staying in one room at Jammu camp. How many people got the job when most of our you people are unemployed in India? I feel sorry that without knowing the real suffering of Kasmiri pandits, you wrote this statement.
Hi Shivam
Lot of Kashmiris Pundits wont go back to Kashmir because they are settled outside Kashmir now.
They have rebuilt their life outside Kashmir but that is not by choice. They were forced to leave Kashmir,a generation scarred for life. Kashmiris Pandit always valued education irrespective if what profession they had. This value system helped Pandit to start afresh and now after 30 years manys KPs are well settled outside Kashmir
However it is not correct that majority wont want to go back if conditions are normal. Also Kashmiri bandits who stayed back ,they have lived under the most extreme provocations, leading fearful lives being marginalized in their villages with no voice, no vote, no freedom to celebrate their festivals, they lived their despite living like caged animals.
What has happened to Kashmir is most unfortunate, a lot of it due to mistake of Succcessive central governments.but a fair share of blame also goes to local muslim population who killed kashmiriyat and secular fabric of kashmir in 1989/90 by hunting , driving out bandits. A classic case of majority treating a minority as 2nd class citizens and then threatening them to either leave or convert or die.
Please write correctly it is Pandits & not bandits.
It seems even this author has no understanding of the kashmir issue. Ask the hindus who are staying back in kashmir about how they are living . They also chant pakistan zindabad when the muslim crowd does. They also cover their head while going out . They aay salam walay kum and not namaskar while greeting someone . They say allah ki kasam instead of bhagwan ki kasam. That is how they have survived . And that is called ethnic cleansing . All pandits want to return back to valley but with dignity, security and jobs. The day we get this author will realise that he was ill informed
The print, I am one who lived in migrant camps. I attended second shift of Jammu schools/colleges because we were considered migrants within state. This guy is biggest asshole who can eat his Own shit thinking it is his cooked food recycled. I take offence of what he has written. This is disgraceful and I feel pity on you allowing this moron to have guts to put it here. My name is Jeetender and this guy might tell you I am part of Bollywood and father of ekta kapoor.
!! Asatyam Shivam Sadaa Sandesham !!
Insensitive, Insulting and Disgraceful article.
Only a person who is ignorant of contributions of ‘Shaivaite’ Kashimiris towards Hinduism since the ancient timeline can write such a shameful crap.
The author should desist from writing such articles , these play right into the hands of ‘not, sickular & libtard”. What happened to the pandits was horrible & somebody was responsible for it , it’s not ok for people like the author to point out how the victims should feel. If they feel like forgiving & moving on,ok , if not that is also ok. As far chakra vorty the diplomat is concerned he was very undiplomat like in his pronouncements.
Mr Shivam Vij, kashmir culture is Hindu, only after 1350 AD Islam/Arabic culture came there that too through force. Nobody makes composite culture in it’s home. Why not make composite so called secular environment which you want in an Arabia.
You may be right that “only after 1350 AD Islam/Arabic culture came there that too through force”, BUT THAT WAS ALL LEGAL IN THOSE DAYS! The Muslims took your territory by force, BUT THAT WAS PERFECTLY LEGAL! GAINS BY THE POWER OF SWORD WERE LEGAL! White man came to Americal continent only in 1492, BUT TODAY IT OWNS THE WHOLE CONTINENT, AND NOT THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS! TURKS CAME TO TODAY’S TURKEY IN 1453, AND TOOK IT BY FORCE OF SWORD. TODAY THEY OWN TURKEY, AND NOT THE DESCENDENTS OF THE ORIGINAL GREEK INHABITANTS! THE COURTS IN THE WHOLE WORLD HAVE RECOGNISED THE GAINS BY THE SWORD IN THE PAST AS LEGAL! OTHERWISE, WHY SHOULD YOU BE ALLOWED TO LIVE IN INDIA, SINCE YOUR ANCESTORS ALSO CAME TO INDIA FROM OUTSIDE?
You didn’t read the word ‘domiciled’ in my comment Rohit. Flags etc are outdated symbols. My argument is for freedom to live and work in a secure environment, not property ownership for outsiders.
Mr Desai, first learn to write without bold letter, it shows your lack of education.
Now, coming to the point which you said that such attacks on other land happened everywhere. If go by your logic then India is justified in getting rid of people with Arabic names today as this will be an ongoing sequence and according to you this happened everywhere, then why can’t the reversal to kick out those intruders happen now.
If we can recognise the gains through sword in the past, then it can done today also. Why the thugs followers of Arabic religion cry then. Also remember by the logic if the native survive then they have all rights to fight the foreign terrorist in their land. Regarding my bkgd, I am an Indian, Anybody who follows Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains , or are nominally part of it are India. India is India not Arabia.
Why do u think that it was legal in the past to occupy others land by force. And why only the land? It was perfectly legal to capture human beings living in Africa and sale them as slaves! If you want to know about that horrendous chapter in the history of so called legally correct people you may read a book titled The Roots by Alex Halley. Why did you civilised people stop that wonderful sword business? If your legal arguments are true then instead of abolishing Slavery you should have continued with it.What an wonderful sight it would have been! And by the way if the American and Turkey examples are true your grandfather had no business to ask the British to quit India! Since you have done that you should now ask the Muslims to quit this subcontinent by virtue of LIFO system before asking us to quit India.
Islam started with Adam and Muhammad was the last Prophet. Original Moolnivasis were monotheistic, just like Islam, but then came Aryan invaders with Manusmriti and unleashed the worst terror for 5000 years thats still continuing. Brahmin fake fairy tales divide humanity, and believe in rule of the rich while enslaving the poor. Before Mughals came, “india” was divided into 30 kingdoms fighting each other. It were Muslims who made it into one Kingdom. Your map of Pakhand Bharat is nothing but map of Delhi Sultanat.
Pandits were taken out by Jagmohan just to have free hand at slaughter of Kashmiri Muslims. Pandits know it very well. No one stopped them to come back, but their “exodus” is to be maintained because thats the only way RSS can do its communal politics.
You are a Muslim don’t abuse us by using our plight, using manusmriti instead of name is a cowardice act and we know what Islam agenda is and what hindutva agenda is… U piece of little shit should stop it… Yes i am against Brahmanvadi as much as i am against barbaric religion like Islam
Islam came from Adam is farce and fairy tale it is joke. Adam is itself joke. The first Human terrorist was born in 7th century Arabia and quran itself justifies terrorism against Non Muslim. Worst form of terrorism till today is done by Muslim. Ever heard of Mauryan Empire, Gupta Empire and later Marathas who dismantle foreign mughals to a small locality.
And regarding your fake aryan theory, Go and Read Vasant Shinde it exposes your fake your fake dramas. Ever heard of word assimilation. People assimilate into local, India and China has followed the same policy. Those who don’t are invaders.
Islam started with evil bedouin illiterate man in 7th century Arabia after copying some things from Christian & Jewish faith. The drama of Adam & Eve is Jewish & Christian. And it is regarded is fake by every people today. The worst form jihadi terrorism is still unleashed in the form this green religion oh sorry the green virus. Regarding mogul who were from ferghana could not make anything in their own native land, what they will do in their own native land except looting wealth, same applies to the thieves and looters of sultanate period 1206 onwards.
Mr Shivam Vij, kashmir culture is hindu, there was no Islam or Arabic culture here before 1350 AD. There is no farcical kashmiryat. Nobody makes composite culture in it’s home. Why not make composite so -called secular environment in Arabia.
Just as New York Times has allowed an opinion piece paying tribute to Jack Merrit, the bright young Cambridge pass out killed by an Islamist who betrayed his benign adopted country (the UK), India print media should publish tributes for every innocent trader killed by Islamists in Kashmir. We should learn from foreign media when it comes to defending their national interest threatened by outside forces.
If Kashmir is a part of India, any Indian citizen should be free to go and live there. The ownership of property should be restricted to domiciled, which includes Kashmiri pandits. Any terrorism should be investigated fairly and dealt with firmly regardless of human rights just as Britain is now debating, and vowing to do, in the aftermath of the London Bridge attack by an Islamist (and their media, which is our foreign media are completely agreeing to). India needs uniform civil code to move towards an egalitarian democracy.
You are wrong! Isn’t Nagaland part of India? It is! But you can’t buy property there as an Indian citizen (try and find out for yourself)! THIS IS LEGAL PER ARTICLE 371 OF THE CONSTITUTION! So many say if article 371 is valid, and the government doesn’t want to abrogate it, then article 370 is also valid, and you can’t buty any property there too! By the way, Nagaland also wants its very own FLAG AND THE CONSTITUTION! NO OTHER STATE HAS A FLAG (KARNATAKA WANTS ONE TOO!) AND A CONSTITUTION! THE GOVERNMENT TOOK AWAY THE FLAG AND THE CONSTITUTION FROM J&K, HOW CAN IT ALLOW NAGALAND, ANOTHER STATE, TO HAVE BOTH OF THEM? AND NAGALAND SAYS NO FLAG AND CONSTITUTION, NO DEAL! SOME OTHER STATES ALSO HAVE SOME SPECIAL FEATURES WHICH SOME OTHER STATES DON’T HAVE!
Nagas don’t carry wanabee fake Arabic name.
YOU NEED TO KNOW HISTORY BETTER . MYSORE KINGDOM ACCEDED TO INDIA IN 1948 AND NOT IN 1947 . THE ORIGINAL NATIVES OF THE ERSTWHILE MYSORE ARE DRAVIDIANS TO THE CORE . MAHATMA GANDHI HAD PROMISED NALWADI KRISHNARAJENDRA WODEYAR THAT EVEN AFTER INDEPENDENCE MYSORE WOULD HAVE THE SAME STATUS AS UNDER THE BRITISH EXCEPT CURRENCY & FOREIGN AFFAIRS . IT WAS PATEL’S THREAT TO TAKE ARMY ACTION AND INCARCERATE THAT MADE JAYACHAMARAJENDRA WODEYAR ACQUIESCE . UNTIL ACCESSION TO INDIA MYSORE HAD A SEPARATE FLAG AND THE DEMAND IS ONLY TO RETAIN IT . YOU ALSO NEED TO KNOW THAT IN GENERAL THERE WAS NO FIGHT AGAINST THE BRITISH AS MYSORE HAD ENOUGH FREEDOM AND WAS A VERY MODERN STATE FAR AHEAD OF THE REST OF BRITISH INDIA . TO SUBSTANTIATE MYSORE & BENGALURU HAD ELECTRICITY BEFORE THE BRITISH INDIA HAD HAVING SET UP THE FIRST HYDRO POWER STATION IN ASIA . BESIDES, MYSORE HAD STEEL , CEMENT, PAPER, GENERATOR, TELEPHONE , PORCELAIN, SWITCH GEAR AND ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT PRODUCING FACTORY SET UP WODEYARS . HAL & VIZAG SHIPYARD WERE ALSO EXAMPLES TO WODEYARS’ FORESIGHT AND MODERNITY . TODAY’S IISc WAS SET UP IN 1911 BY WODEYAR BY DONATING THEIR OWN LAND . EVEN TODAY IISc HAPPENS TO BE THE BEST EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTE IN INDIA . IF FREEDOM OF INDIA DID NOT HELP THE PROGRESS OF ONE STATE IN RELATION TO ITS POSITION AT THE TIME OF ACCESSION TO INDIA IT IS THE MYSORE STATE. NO WONDER ITS CITIZENS WANT TO HAVE A SEPARATE FLAG NOT TO SUPPLANT INDIAN FLAG , BUT TO ASSERT THEIR IDENTITY
This article has it backwards. Was it written by an Indian Judge or Bureaucrat? Article 370 was abolished BECAUSE there was insecurity. Not because the valley was secure. Try coffee instead of booze. Kashmir should be for Kashmiris and not the Moslems who carried out a final Islamic ethnic cleasning of the valley in 1990
I shudder at the thought of pea brained people like Shivam shooting their pen off on topics they know nothing about and moulding everything to fit within their agenda of cowardice. Since Shivam is so cavalier and hare brained in his treatment of Kashmiri Pundits, let me put it in a coarse language that even he can understand. What is needed in Kashmir is a demographic change that renders Muslims to be a minority. Anything short of that is not a viable solution. A strategy is needed to make that a reality. Got it Shivam?
This is insane mind equating exodus with migration. He also needs to learn to use a dictionary and not his assumptions. ‘Camp is place where people live in tents or simple buildings away from their usual home ‘. His belief that only a tent is a camp is out of ignorance or probably a bias. Therefore Pooja Shali is right when she calls Jagti a camp. All the government did was create a concrete structure instead of tents, and it still is a camp. 5 lakh people were forced to flee and Shivam compares 4000 people who due to various compulsions could not leave as logic to everything is right. He forgets the Wandhama, Nadimarg and Sangrampora massacre of Pandits who chose to stay back.
It is like saying that Hindus who are living in Pakistan are equal citizens and those who had to leave Pakistan during partitions were wrong.
Yes, few Kashmiri Pandits may not want to go back, but what about lakhs who want to go back. And the question is not about their wish to go back, thr question is that are they welcome back. It is responsibility of the Kashmiri Muslim civil society and the government to ensure that they create an environment about their return. A responsibility they can’t shy away by their false presumptions and assumptions.
Yes, mr. Vij I will go back. When, how is for me to decide, not you
You nailed it, hope it’ll keep his mouth shut for a while
Just as Kashmiri Pandits cannot return to a pre 1989 Valley, India too cannot return to the pre Partition imagining that forms the ideological foundation of the ruling party. [ I have quoted the concluding sentence of the IE edit ] More specifically, there are 200 million Muslims in India. Article 370, Uniform Civil Code, building a temple on the site where a mosque stood for 450 years, these cannot form the foundational national agenda for a country that is getting left behind in the race for economic development. 2. As for the KPs, their past suffering is simply being used for collateral purposes. They are bright and talented enough to make their way to the top of the heap in any part of the country, also many parts of the world.
Who cares about economics, kick Arabic religion should be India’s. Indian enemy is Abrahamic religion. You Convert Ashok should write with your real Arabic or xian name. What 450 yr old structure? It was build after destruction of temple and now the same is being corrected.
Then why is a criminal trial being conducted ?
Sure, but according to you, Kashmir Muslims are not bright and talented enough to make their way to the top of the heap in any part of the country. or world. That is why they need Article 370, right?! Why these different expectations?
And, where do you get off saying the Pandits are bright and talented enough so we don’t have to care about them? What the hell happened to you, that you are so unsympathetic to a people who were kicked out of their own land?