Bengaluru: When cases of coronavirus, the virus that has killed more than 3,000 people in China, were first reported in India, the AYUSH Ministry advised citizens to use homoeopathy to prevent infection.
A system of alternative medicine, homoeopathy courts deep popularity in India, so much so that many are known to believe that it’s an Indian system. According to the government, it’s the second most popular form of medicine in the country with as much as 10 per cent of the population relying on it.
It claims to treat diseases for which allopathy, or Western medicine, currently offers no cure — from diabetes and psoriasis to polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS).
Among followers, it is seen as a form of natural therapy, invoking a sense of Eastern mysticism with its promise of painless treatment.
However, homoeopathy is neither all-natural, nor Indian. It’s not even Eastern — it was created in 1796 by a German physician named Samuel Hahnemann, who reportedly coined the term “allopathy” as a pejorative for modern medicine.
One of the two basic tenets of the system is “like cures like” — that is, if something causes acidity, the same thing will also ease it.
The other is the law of minimum dosage — Taking a core ingredient and diluting it to such an extent that there isn’t even a single molecule of the original substance left.
Despite its popularity, the system remains controversial. Most health experts — from the World Health Organisation (WHO), to the US Department of Health and Human Services and Britain’s National Health Service — cite research and express scepticism. They discourage its use as an alternative to conventional medicine for life-threatening diseases, and see it as a harmless placebo at best and a purveyor of potentially lethal concoctions at worst.
Several countries like Britain and France do not allow government funding in the field, while Australia conducted a thorough review and declared it pseudoscience. Spain has proposed banning it for being dangerous.
Even so, there is no dearth of people who testify to its potential as a cure for a laundry list of conditions. In India, it’s the subject of a degree course that allows students to become registered practitioners and is overseen by a dedicated government department.
This contradiction is precisely the reason why the AYUSH Ministry’s coronavirus advisory seemed to set the cat among the pigeons, leading several people to question the “unproven advice” in the face of a health crisis. But backers of the system were equally vocal.
the government of India (as usual) is peddling unscientific crap
ayurveda, homeopathy and unani are NOT legitimate branches of medicine and have no material proof in curing or preventing such diseases
please don't swallow placebo-inducing sugar pills thinking you'll be safe. https://t.co/u9vV2n8itD
— v̴̢͉̙͙̜̘̣̓͑̽̾̓͘͝ͅo̸̯̮͂̽̉̓̃͝͠͝i̸͎͍͕̭̩̊͆̇̃̅̽̄d̷̿̈́̀̄͑ (@bismillahcamus) January 29, 2020
#Coronavirus breaks out, China embarks on building a 1000 bed hospital in 6 days
India: ye lo homeopathy, 4 goli subah 4 raat ko khaali pet. No onion no garlic. OK?
— Raghav Chopra (@RaghavChopra_) January 29, 2020
3.02.20 to conduct Coronavirus Awerness and Distributed Homeopathy Preventive Medicine, in Govt MPP School in Ramanujapalli villege, Tirupati Rural, Andhrapradesh,India. Homeopathy Doctor Balaji Deekshitulu P V, was free distributed medicines in 100 poor children's. pic.twitter.com/Q8VBF6N1rN
— drsribalaji@gmail.com (@drsribalajigma1) February 3, 2020
#coronavirus
Here is the remedy to cure #coronavirus. @homeopathy_inh @fohhomeopathy @HomeopathyWorld @ANI @ravishndtv @ndtv pic.twitter.com/rnJuBsoOMc
— sayyad danish (@sayyadardanish) January 28, 2020
Discussion with Honorable AYUSH Minister Mr Shripad Yesso Naik ji, about the preventive aspect of Homeopathy for Coronavirus Disease,he has assured his valuable support in this matter .
Indian AYUSH Ministry will be pioneer in working for preventing this deadly virus.
Thank you. pic.twitter.com/6gjiVQoWES
— Dr. Naval Kumar Verma (@dr_naval) January 28, 2020
@WHO as per a widely circulated @WhatsApp forward, the #coronavirus can be treated by #homeopathy. Is this true? pic.twitter.com/ILthrDE88z
— Master Yoda (@domyowndance) January 28, 2020
So, what does a layperson make of it?
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What is homoeopathy?
Hahnemann, the homoeopathy creator, believed there were only three kinds of illnesses, syphilis, psychosis (or fig-wart disease), and the itch (where the skin itches), which he thought were symptomatic of other diseases like cancer, deafness and epilepsy.
This theory is contentious even within homoeopathic communities today.
Hahnemann’s basic premise rejects the theory that a disease or infection is through an outside cause and states that every illness is from within one’s own body.
The homoeopathic premise of “like cures like” derives from an experiment Hahnemann conducted where he reportedly ingested large amounts of cinchona bark (it contains quinine, used to treat malaria even today). Hahnemann is believed to have concluded that the symptoms produced by overconsumption mirrored those for malaria, and thus the bark could treat the disease.
While it’s often believed to be plant-based and natural, the core ingredients involved in homoeopathic remedies can be animal- or plant-based, mineral or synthetic, designated with Latin or Latin-sounding names.
The creation of remedies involves diluting the core ingredient to such an extent with water, alcohol or sugar that there isn’t even a single molecule of the original substance left.
Arsenic oxide, known as arsenicum album in homoeopathy, was what the AYUSH Ministry prescribed for coronavirus prevention. It has traditionally been used by homoeopaths as treatment for conditions such as digestive disorders, allergies and even anxiety and insomnia.
Other core ingredients include natrum muriaticum (sodium chloride or common salt), the poisonous belladonna flower, opium, and even products from a diseased person, like blood, urine, faeces, pus and mucus discharge.
Some preparations use “captured” ingredients such as x-rays and sunlight. “Sol” or sunlight is particularly common, and is “obtained” by exposing lactose (natural sugar occurring in milk) to the Sun.
To reduce the effects of radiation therapy, alcohol exposed to x-rays is used (which isn’t “natural”). Often, insoluble substances like granite are ground to pieces with lactose and then diluted. For example, it was reported last year that a British homoeopath, who also caters to the royal family, was offering a remedy devised from pieces of the Berlin Wall as a “cure” for depression and asthma.
The dilution takes place in a form of logarithmic scales (where each step is a multiple of the previous one). The two used most commonly are X potency, where each scale represents a dilution by a factor of 10, and centesimal (C), by a factor of 100.
A 2X (unit of potency) scale would mean that a substance is diluted one part in 9, and then one part of the resulting solution again diluted in 9 parts of the solvent.
For example, one millilitre of a core ingredient first diluted in 9 millilitres of water, and one part of the resulting solution again diluted in 9 millilitres of water.
So, a 10X potency would repeat the process 10 times, and a 15X, 15 times.
This is the same for C, but by a factor of 100: One part diluted with 99 parts.
Common potencies used are 30X or 300C, but beyond 12C or 24X, there is no presence of even a single molecule of the core substance.
Homoeopathy believes that the more diluted a remedy is, the more potent it is. A potency of 100X, for example, is considered to be higher than 10X — a fact chemists see as counterintuitive.
This is based on the controversial notion that water has “memory” and retains information about the substances it comes in contact with (and thus cures the body).
The final solution is poured over sugar tablets and left to evaporate.
Homoeopathic remedies are thus as good as harmless to the human body, but only when mixed correctly. There have been cases of arsenic poisoning in India because of poorly concocted homoeopathic remedies.
Evolution and spread of homoeopathy
Homoeopathy was widely adopted in the 1800s as modern medicine was just evolving and included several painful practices. New diseases were infecting the human population, and medical science hadn’t caught up yet.
Homoeopathy held the promise of painless “treatment” and gained popularity.
Homoeopathic schools opened in the US and Europe throughout the late 19th century, spurred by ineffective treatments for outbreaks like cholera, which killed hundreds of thousands of people at the time.
Medical practitioners investigated the system for assessing efficacy, and this is thought to have encouraged rigour in modern medicine as well.
However, leading homoeopaths rapidly started abandoning the practice in the mid-20th century as modern medicine showed real results. The last homoeopathic school in the US was shut down in 1920.
Later, Nazi interest in homoeopathy led to its resurgence in public consciousness in the 1930s and 40s — but they abandoned the system quickly too.
It then gained favour with the New Age Movement, a Western phenomenon that spawned a variety of spiritual and religious beliefs in the 70s, and incorporated “natural” remedies for the mind, body, and spirit as their central tenet for health.
The movement has been known to adopt pseudoscientific beliefs such as astrology as a reaction against institutional establishment structures, and is credited with the rising popularity of homoeopathy today.
In India, homoeopathy was introduced in the early 19th century and was quickly adopted across the country, via Bengal.
The Calcutta Homoeopathic Medical College, the first Indian homoeopathic institute, was established in 1881.
In 1973, the Union government recognised homoeopathy as one of the national systems of medicine and set up the Central Council of Homoeopathy (CCH, now overseen by AYUSH Ministry) to regulate its education and practice.
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Scientific consensus
Homoeopathic training involves a number of beliefs that run counter to well-established science. The system rejects germ theory, believing that all illnesses come from within. Future practitioners are reportedly taught that vaccines are poisonous and antibiotics a sham.
Right from the time it took hold, homoeopathy has been criticised by physicians. Evidence for its efficacy is said to have been established by Hahnemann by having patients simply write down their symptoms in detail after consumption of a remedy, a process that lacked rigour.
Scientific studies into homoeopathy have consistently shown it to be ineffective in treating illnesses or their symptoms — or occasionally just as effective as placebos.
Analyses of existing studies show that research suggesting positive results was either not conducted as rigorously as necessary or was backed by insufficient evidence.
A 2002 study conducted by a British researcher — a systematic review of other systematic reviews on homoeopathy — found that no study was able to determine positive outcomes. It concluded that the “best clinical evidence for homoeopathy available to date does not warrant positive recommendations for its use in clinical practice”.
Many other such studies have followed in the two decades since.
Most recently, an extensive 2015 study in Australia, conducted by the country’s top funding body for medical research, the National Health and Medical Research Council, assessed over 1,800 other studies and the results yet again weren’t in favour of homoeopathy.
The basic foundation of homoeopathy, that water holds the memory of substances it has been in contact with, has been widely discredited but remains controversial.
Following large-scale denunciations of homoeopathy by scientists, many medical bodies and health services have conducted independent research and issued advisories against the use of homoeopathy.
The health agencies of the US and Britain — the Department of Health and Human Services and Britain’s National Health Service, respectively — both state clearly on their websites that the purported effectiveness of homoeopathy is not backed by research. The WHO has discouraged its use for treatment of serious diseases, and called for quality control and regulation of homoeopathy to avoid lethal consequences.
National medical and health bodies in Russia, Australia, and Europe have warned against homoeopathy. Countries like Britain and France have forbidden reimbursement for homoeopathic treatments, while Spain is pushing for a ban on the entire system for being dangerous and unethical.
“Many countries have conducted comprehensive research and have ultimately decided that it doesn’t work,” said Amalorpavanathan Joseph, a vascular surgeon at Chennai’s Vijaya Hospital.
Speaking about the recent government advisory against coronavirus, he added, “Even if it was issued as a preventive measure to build up immunity and not a cure, it can’t work. Building up immunity takes years, it can’t happen in a matter of a few days.”
‘A cure for everything’
Supporters of homoeopathy claim it can cure almost anything, including conditions such as polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), psoriasis and diabetes that Western medicine is yet to find a cure for.
“Homoeopathy has medicines for everything, including thyroid, PCOD, psoriasis, diabetes, hair-fall, osteoarthritis, and even cancer,” said Josy Joy, a homoeopath practising at the Bengaluru-based Care N Cure Health Clinic.
According to Joy, his patients have seen improvements in all these illnesses without modern medicine.
Asked about the criticism directed at the medicine system, he said, “Western science looks for material content in homoeopathic medicines, but homoeopathy acts in a dynamic way. If the medicines are used, results can be seen.
“Our patients have seen their goiters dissolve through homoeopathy but allopathy has only surgery for most of these.”
Medical experts disagree.
“Any claims made should be backed by data and evidence. There has been no documented evidence that homoeopathy works and can cure people of illnesses,” said Joseph of Chennai’s Vijaya Hospital.
“If there’s evidence that homoeopathy works, doctors would be the first to adopt it. We want our patients to be cured and healthy after all.”
Sumaiya Shaikh, a Sweden-based neuroscientist who serves as science editor of the fact-checking portal Alt News, has done extensive research on homoeopathy and academic homeopathic publications as a part of her reportage.
“The studies (that prove homoeopathy to be effective) have faulty statistics at the outset,” she said.
“A mechanical explanation of the drug dynamics is never attempted in the discussion, even as a hypothesis, as the authors never know how exactly they think the drug is working. Often the conclusions are far-fetched in the abstract but when the study is carefully examined, the data doesn’t reflect the assertion of the conclusions,” Shaikh added.
Additionally, critics claim, processes that induce scientific rigour, such as blinding, are rarely used. Blinding is when the patient doesn’t know if they’re being given a homoeopathic medicine or an allopathic one. A similar system is double-blinding, when doctors themselves don’t know either.
Such systems are important to establish the effectiveness of a treatment without bias.
Shaikh explained how ‘citation value’ of research — a measure of credibility — is enhanced by the authors or other homoeopaths by repeatedly citing faulty studies that discard other variables.
Backers, however, are quick to reject the argument about the lack of credible research, saying it was consequence of the West’s indifference towards the alternative medicine system.
“The accessibility of homoeopathic system is very limited in the Western world and did not receive much attention in development as compared to allopathy,” said Dr Anil Khurana, director general at the Central Council For Research in Homoeopathy, an institute under the AYUSH Ministry.
“Because of the low cost of medicines, it did not get investment from sponsors either. Even governments in Western countries did not invest funds in alternative medicine, including homoeopathy,” he added. “Their support towards allopathy has prevented them from investing in further research and studies to prove the efficacy of homoeopathy.”
“However, there are countries like Brazil, Cuba and Mexico where the government supports this system of medicine… The therapy has started growing in the US, where seven states have allowed legal practice of homoeopathy. In Europe, acceptance is at an all-time high in most countries, including Italy, Germany, France and Switzerland.”
While as much as 60 per cent of the French population reportedly uses homoeopathy, come 2021, the government will end public support for medicines under the system. In Switzerland, meanwhile, homoeopathy has been given the same status as conventional medicine.
According to Khurana, students seeking training in homoeopathy are subjected to a rigorous 5.5-year curriculum, which includes a year-long internship and “is equivalent to MBBS where lessons don’t only deal with homoeopathy but also other subjects, as happens at allopathic medical colleges”.
“India has the largest infrastructure of homoeopathy because of increased demand from the public who have experienced the benefits of homoeopathy,” he said.
There are nearly 3 lakh registered homoeopaths in India today. An estimated 32,000 students enrol each year in AYUSH colleges, of which over 13,000 students opt for homoeopathy.
But this curriculum has a potentially dark underbelly.
“Homoeopathy degrees are an easy gateway into medical practice for students who didn’t obtain good enough scores to enter an MBBS programme,” said Shantanu Abhyankar, a trained homoeopath who switched to modern medicine after “being convinced that homeopathy is humbug”.
Abhyankar himself did the same — entered a homeopathy course as he couldn’t score well enough for MBBS.
But during the course of his training, he realised that they were just taught theory, and research papers published in the field offered no proof that homoeopathy worked.
“Homoeopaths are legitimised by the prefix ‘Dr’ against their name, and thus set up a practice,” he said.
Abhyankar eventually went back and obtained an MBBS degree, and has been a practising gynaecologist for 20 years now.
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How placebos work
There are many reasons why critics believe homoeopathy seems to work for people.
Primary among these is called “regression to the mean”.
Nearly every illness has a natural growth curve before it tapers and dies (or kills). Typically, the moment illness sets in, patients go to doctors. Antibiotics or other modern drugs are prescribed — and might not always work. A homoeopath then prescribes a long course of remedies. So, just as the patient consumes them, the disease in its natural course starts to decline, and eventually the patient is cured.
The regression to the mean has been cited as a factor behind faulty results in placebo experiments on multiple occasions. This is also believed to be the reason why many patients who have survived dangerous illnesses like cancer report feeling better when they follow up medical treatment with a trip to the homoeopath.
“We have treated many cancer patients who have suffered from all kinds of cancer such as lung cancer and breast cancer,” said homoeopath Joy.
“Homoeopathy prolongs life. With chemotherapy, the problem is that there is increased chances of cancer recurrence [there is no proof for this claim], but people still always go to chemotherapy and then come to homoeopathy. We have successfully avoided recurrence for many kinds of cancers.”
“Different patients have different needs, so we use different remedies made of arsenic, belladonna etc.,” he added.
He did, however, concede that he hadn’t seen cancer patients who came to homoeopathy directly before chemotherapy.
A similar effect as regression to the mean is also seen in unassisted natural healing, where the body’s system builds up immunity over time to fight off an illness, and this often coincides with a homoeopathic course.
It is also possible that the patient feels better on account of a completely different aspect of their life that is inducing a pharmacological change in the body and treating the illness, such as a new meditation practice.
Patients also often use homoeopathy as a complementary treatment to a medicine course.
There is also the therapeutic effect of physician consultation. A homeopathic consultation could typically last for two hours, and a 2010 study published in the peer-reviewed British journal Rheumatology attributed to clinical benefits in homoeopathy patients could be attributed to the consultations.
Homoeopathy is also considered a placebo — it works because the people who take it think it does. But this requires strong belief and doesn’t hold true for all consumers. The placebo effect is a subject of active research, especially in light of the knowledge that patients respond even when they’re aware they might have been given a placebo.
But placebo effects are mostly known to work for symptoms of illnesses and pain management, not the actual disease. For a cancerous tumour, for example, someone under the placebo effect can feel less pain, but the tumour still eats away at the body.
Khurana, however, said it was a myth that homoeopathy worked as a placebo.
“The top research institutes of India for modern medicine, including AIIMS, School of Tropical Medicine, Kolkata, and Bose Institute, Kolkata and others have conducted pre-clinical trials (those preceding clinical trials on humans) to dispel the myth that these medicines are mere placebo,” he said.
“Such trials have been adequately documented to validate the claims. The studies have been published in international peer-reviewed journals.”
Some of the studies, however, seem to say nothing about the efficacy of homeopathy. Instead, a study by West Bengal researchers, including from Bose Institute, spoke about “vibrational and electric properties” of the medicines.
ThePrint reached the heads of AIIMS and the Indian Council for Medical Research (ICMR) for comment but they did not respond.
“Homoeopathy treats symptoms while modern medicine treats causes,” said Abhyankar. “Modern medicine can even predict and prevent (a disease). But homoeopathy can only treat symptoms after they manifest.”
Homoeopathic remedies might seem like a harmless placebo, but they cause significant indirect harm, said Edzard Ernst, a German academic physician who is considered an authority on complementary and alternative medicine (CAM).
“If a severely ill person is treated with ineffective homoeopathy and thus forfeits effective treatments, her illness will not be adequately treated and thus (she will be caused) unnecessary suffering,” he added. “If a homoeopath advises a patient against vaccinations — as many homoeopaths do — he endangers public health. If a homoeopath charges for useless treatments, he causes harm to his patient’s finances.”
Homoeopaths, however, fulfil a key role in India’s healthcare pyramid — informal community care.
“We have nurses, super speciality nurses, ward officers, doctors, but very few physiotherapists or trained counsellors,” said Abhyankar. “Because they (homoeopaths) are considered doctors, they often end up fulfilling this need.”
Under the AYUSH Ministry, homoeopathy is the second most highly funded system of medicine after ayurveda, but Ernst said it didn’t warrant such attention.
“Homoeopathy is both biologically implausible and, according to the best available evidence, not clinically effective. Therefore, funding research into homoeopathy should not be on the agenda of reputable funding organisations, let alone governments,” he added.
“Research funds are notoriously scarce. Therefore, governments and other funding bodies have an ethical, moral and legal duty to spend them on projects with a high prior probability of generating a productive result,” he said.
“Alternative medicine should be open to scrutiny and peer review by everyone and should be subjected to the same principles of research as evidence-based medicine,” added Shaikh. “By the sheer exclusivity and inability to bite bitter bullets, alternative medicine has become what it has become. There could be immense value in finding mechanisms and biochemical pathways at which the anti-inflammatory herbs are targeted but the research is always focused on quick translation and marketing before due research, as the belief takes over its evidence.”
With inputs from Himani Chandna in New Delhi
Edited by Sunanda Ranjan
arsenic has been recommended for covid but public also wants corelated reference data.homeopathy is symptom oriented science zero science if treated blindly without individual symptoms.seyedaghanoor sadeghi iranian homeopath is international expert,read article about arsenic published in medwinpublishers dot com where he treated leukemic diarrhea with arsenic.he gives all references,imp is picked up from materia medica by dr kn mathur mbbs indian army doctor served worldwar11 patients,turned to homeopathy.arsenic symptom is feel financial insecurity feel robbers may loot wants company same time keep watch on them checks locks intact all day worried about bank balance,is prone to gastro intestinal problems like diarrhea,pale yellow face prostrated etc.like lac can remedy is extra sensitive forgetful buys at shop gives money goes out shopkeeper runs after him take your saman.allopath doctor will not explain anything to patient as he has stamp of all authorities.alternative medicines practitioners have to be salesman also to convince public.if media wants to realy serve public let journalists go to field take staements cured uncured patients by alternative medicine system,table chit chats do not serve purpose is only chai pakoda timepass.
Chay sir
If you are a doctor what will you do
Do western science cures every disease
Show me the research papers that if there is complete cure
Well if so why you meditate in morning
That is also not a part of treatment
It belong to ayurved
We indians are not fool to have a faith
On homeopathy and ayurved
We are broad mind people we think every work differently we are the boss and we are the worker of our own
We don’t believe on others
We believe what we can do |
I would suggest you to research thoroughly
On research
Quality of life is given in ayurved
And homeopathy only
We Indians are certainly fools (SS Hari being a perfect example), not open minded.
If you are open minded, you will read the science and change your mind even if you don’t want to.
What you are is ignorant. Don’t think that is open minded.
You don’t have a basic concept of what science is or what research is.
Homeopathy is a very dumb idea that every international scientist, science academy and government has criticized. See the information I posted below. It was proven hundreds of times to be fake.
Medicine is not a matter of faith. Saying something is faith is admitting it is fake.
I hope you know little bit of science before saying all this.
If you have, i guess you would know that the science available today doesn’t actually explain anything (pick almost any topic and go deep into it, you will know). For example, as scientist, we don’t even know what is light.
In the efforts of understanding and researching , one day, the logic behind these things (namely working of homeopathy) will be discovered upto a level that will get recognised by some people who just read something somewhere and doesn’t even know basics of science and are incapable of observing the truth.
This why I wrote, “Don’t just come up with stupid excuses for why you don’t have to study science or math.”. Unlike you, I know science. Science knows what light is, you don’t. Do you think smart people are able to build things like your phone screen without knowing what light is?
Science proved beyond any doubt that homeopathy is a total scam and homeopaths repeatedly prove themselves to be total fools when it comes to understanding science. None of you should have passed high school. All of you are just too dumb to understand how science easily disproved homeopathy.
The “logic” of homeopathy is irrelevant when it has already proven to not work. Logic of how things work is for things already proven to work.
Learn what regression to mean and placebo effect are. If I give you plain sugar pills and lie to you they are homeo pills, they have the same “cure rates”. This is because these are just body taking care of the disease irrespective of any pills. Homeo diluted water does nothing.
Prove to me you are not dumb. Explain regression to mean and post hoc ergo propter hoc in medicine. You can Google and then explain your understanding.
if we read all comments no head tail can be made,as good as casting a vote to congress or bjp.no experienced homeopath has shared view modrrn time thinking let things take own shape.let any lady suffering from menstrual irregularity say there are no other cocomitant symptoms headache sleep disturb pelvic pains cysts etc,homeopathy recognises root cause establishes flow health is restored,try senecio with cosultation of even street homeopath.let any male with business status on decline say not suffering from depressed mood blood pressure negative thinking,homeopath catches root cause,clears many problems say by aurum potency.one sided flat views do not serve any purpose.olden times coins were of silver it had money value plus some attachment value present coins have show me your left hand then only i will show my right hand mentality..such a large democracy such a large media network,none has tried a combined conference of top grade allopaths homeopaths ayurveds naturopaths and disseminated views to public.most of comments on all media articles on any subject are from timepass retired in life persons chala hooa kartoos category.
Of all the comments here, only your comments lack head or tail because you seem to have not discovered the concept of paragraphs.
Terrible spelling, no grammar, no spacing, no coherent points and just rambling aimlessly about things you don’t have a clue about.
The homeopaths who were desperately trying to ignore all the studies I presented were not writing as pathetically as you.
those who are in doubt about homeopathy,first go through 335 page pdf homeopathy great medicine or dangerous pseudo-science by steven novella dt 22 mar 2013 at homeopathy dot ca then comment as one sided views only confuse imp issues.those who want explanation in modern research way go through article acute respiratory infections by najanin vassighi nd and michael lehman nd at site ndnr dot com has listed three very imp remedies arsenic rhustox merc sol.dr ajit kulkarni has also explained in deatail about all pneumonia covid remedies.public gets confused reading various articles by various doctors.ayush has to create one platform and issue detailed guidelines,chronic patients these days are half doctors want minute details.being a non professional part of public side view is homeopathy is best but need for competent doctors in homeopathy,employ few but employ top grade by selection as upsc does.
In that talk, Saine predicted that thanks to new technology, Homeopathy will soon be proven.
Exactly the opposite has happened. Now every scientific academy in the world has come out and said Homeopathy is quack. Oops.
Back in 2012 (as per McGill University channel, its 2012 talk, not 2013), only a few scientists were bothering to talk about how homeopathy is quack. Now in 2020, every scientist says it. Do try to understand why.
AYUSH just needs to stop lying to the public about the science on Homeopathy.
Saine’s great final argument, well India and Brazil think its true and officially promote it.
Yeah, Brazil isn’t smarter than India (their government’s COVID-19 response is the worst in the world due to their insane, macho president) and India thinks cow urine is magic medicine and officially promotes it.
Forget decent news, print.in isn’t suitable for anything. It’s a fake news portal, at best.
I love how homeo-deluded like you reject anything that tells you the real Truth. You think Truth is Fake and Fake is Truth.
Print isn’t giving you an opinion that Homeopathy is fake. It is reporting that all scientists are telling you that Homeopathy is fake. You can look up this yourself. Every scientific academy says that Homeopathy is fake (placebo) and its ideas are stupid.
Now why didn’t you know this already? It was well known for quite some time. Everyone who is knowledgeable about science knows this. It is because real news is rare in India. Most news is fake news. Most journalists don’t know anything apart from holding a mike or arguing politics. A 100 news channels on TV and all they talk is garbage. Very few news outlets expose pseudoscience. They are the only ones worth anyone’s time. Rest are bad entertainment or propaganda.
The problem is people who study science don’t become journalists usually. So Indian journalists don’t know the difference between fake science and real science. For them and you, a dumb homeopath and a top medical researcher, both have equally valued opinion. That is very stupid.
I agree with Shun, your whole article Chay is a lie. Big Pharma must have paid you to write it. I personally only use homeopathy with great success. Where big pharma failed me completely, homeopathy helped me. The problem is big pharma can’t make money off of homeopathy, they like to keep people sick so they can keep taking your money. More and more people are waking up to this fact, we are all tired of watching our loved ones suffer and die under the hands of big pharma. I say yay to big pharma going down!!
You agree with Shun because you lack intelligence and education Denise.
Homeo Pharma is a $15,000,000,000 market. Of course, homeo pharma mints money. They have no cost of production, no research costs. The raw material is just sugar or alcohol.
You are another homeo shill, paid or not, who is trying to distract from the fact that it is the scientists everywhere that are criticizing the homeo scam, not just this article.
I don’t know whether you have mental retardation or are paid Denise, but I pointed to every government and every science academy and thousands of public studies that expose homeopathy as full fake. And you say, I am basing this on just this article. What is wrong with you?
See “Dear Homeo Lobby” post and 29 Science Academy post.
Google: Homeopathic remedies are ‘nonsense and risk significant harm’ say 29 European scientific bodies
Those are not big pharma Denise. Those are all public scientists.
thank you for sharing an informative article.
If do you have any health-related problems like bone problem, tissue problem, and any stretch mark problem so I recommend to you use DR. RECKEWEG CALCAREA FLUORICUM 6X (20G) medicine for better results.
CALCAREA FLUORICUM is just calcium fluoride from bone and then diluted to nothing.
All homeopathic drugs are diluted to nothing. They are nothing. They are all the same.
None work for anything.
Anything can be said to work for anything when you can take advantage of people who don’t understand science and scientific testing.
Calcium fluoride is insoluble. Even talking about dilutions for insoluble things is dumb. Dumb never stopped Homeopathy.
Dr. Reckeweg is making fools of people.
Albert Einstein on Homeopathy
“If one were to lock up 10 very clever people in a room and told them they were only allowed out once they had come up with the most stupid idea conceivable, they would soon come up with homeopathy.”
Dear respected chay , I want to know only one thing . Do you think thàt since 1796 all homeopath doctors are making fool of all people (human being ),is it possible? and today homeopathy is the second largest followérs in medical science of the world.think àbout it. You will get all the answers,.
Complicated answer. Some of homeopaths are genuine fools themselves and really think they are doctors. I don’t think Hahnemann was fooling anyone deliberately. I think he was genuinely fooled by his own faulty doctrines. Others know they are fooling patients, but they don’t know how to earn a living in any other way except by fooling people.
Yes, most people are just lemmings, like you know, Y-O-U.
Homeopathy is as real as horoscopes. Horoscopes have a huge following. What to do? Most people aren’t really as educated as they like to think. Many are even fools with post-graduate degrees. Any scientist will tell you in detail why horoscopes aren’t true. But if you lack the basic intelligence, none of those explanations will sink in and you will keep arguing that it came true for you. Same with homeopathy.
Hello chay,
You told most of the research institutes reject homoeopathy as placebo..thats true
Scientist in 2020s can only research on objects that are 10 power 9, molecules in homoeo dilutions are 10 power 30. LoL
Ramz, not most, all of them, everyone of them.
Name one good research institute that says homeopathy is not a placebo.
Basically, only people like you without much intelligence think it is not a placebo because they find “regression to mean” to be a difficult concept to understand even when explained. They just cannot grasp the concept of matched controls and blank doses to compare against. This is apparently well beyond your capacity,
And LOL RAMZ, 30C, the most popular homeo dilution, isn’t 10 power 30, it is 10 power 60.
Google: Homeopathic dilutions, to learn why this is very, very stupid.
Rajiv Bajaj (uneducated about science): “3 lakh people in Pune took Camphora 1M, and not one of them has come to us saying they have symptoms of COVID-19”
IIT-Bombay: We also hear things like “a thousand people were given this medicine and then 95% did not get the disease, so it works”. This is not what a trial is and these ‘experiments’ are worthless unless compared with 1,000 people who are given placebos (i.e. blank doses).
From: A Homeopathic Defence Against COVID-19 Is No Defence at All
By: IIT-Bombay professors and head of dept. All scientists in the world agree with this.
See the difference between science educated and science uneducated? Science uneducated don’t understand the concept of matched controls.
Rajiv Bajaj is an ignorant man who believes in stupid things. He arrogantly thinks that even though he never studied science, he knows better than all researchers in immunology. Too many Yes Men around you does that to you.
He thought that the camphor you burn for pooja is somehow magic medicine for corona when it is diluted to 1M. That is 1 in 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 parts water.
He made all his employees take it and come to work. Now we have reports that 200 employees in his plant have Corona and 4 died. This is what happens when dumb people in power don’t understand their ignorance and don’t realize how stupid their beliefs are. Below below them pay the price. Imaginary camphor does not boost immunity. Only when one has no concept of immunity and knows nothing about it except recite the word immunity, immunity, can one be stupid enough to think all sorts of things are immunity boosters. Lazy ignorant and arrogant people who won’t bother studying even basics but will come to argue against world’s experts.
I read a few statements he made. It is very obvious he generally has no concept of science or research but has to open his mouth all the time about topics he never studied.
I am surprised at the way people with not the slightest knowledge of homeopathy take it upon themselves to condemn this most wonderful science. Allopathy trying to evaluate the effectiveness of homeopathy is like criticising a foreign language of which you have but a rudimentary knowledge. Placebos don’t work on millions of people, most of whom are highly educated. Most of the brilliant homeopathic writers and researchers, such as Hahnemann, Kent, Herring, E-BOOK Nash, were themselves highly qualified allopathy who took to homeopathy after discovering its merits and effectiveness. As far as cure of COVID 19 is concerned, the world is suffering because of its arrogance and dogged refusal to accept that anything but orthodox medicine could cure it. If at all any system of medicine can cure this disease, it is homeopathy. This is because it does not have to rush out in search of a new vaccine each time a new virus is discovered. Homeopathy cures the patient, not the disease, and certainly not by directly attempting to kill the virus causing it. In the case of an epidemic, the aim should be to identify homeopathic medicines whose symptoms most closely correspond to that produced by the epidemic in the majority of patients. The Ministry of Ayush blundered by hastily suggesting Arsenic Alb as the medicine for COVID -19. This is obviously wrong as Arsenic Alb anifests it’s symptoms mostly in cold wet weather. But COVID 19 is spreading even in hot weather. The homeopathic remedy most accurately indicated is BRYONIA. for the following reasons. Firstly, it’s symptoms develop very slowly, as in the case of COVID 19. Secondly, the BRYONIA influenza can develop in both cold and hot weather, as is happening in the case of that produced by Corona. Thirdly, BRYONIA corresponds to dryness of the mucous membranes. This is what is seen in the case of COVID -19 in the form of dry cold, dry cough, dr Ron Haiti’s and dry pneumonia. BRYONIA can also correspond to inflammation of the mucous membranes, and also a very severe form of pneumonia, as is happening in COVID 19. BRYONIA can also be helpful in high temperature, general weakness and lethargy, all of which are seen in the disease under colder consideration. The homeopathic remedy GLYCERINUM, in 30th and higher potencies, can also be curative in the case of influenzas pneumonia, such as that caused by the Corona virus. So too can the homeopathic remedy PULSATILLA be useful in the case of patients suffering from influenza aggravated in hot weather and in evenings. The Pulsatilla patient can suffer from severe respiratory problems and from loss of the sense of smell and taste, as is observed in the case of Corona patients. There could be a tendency for diarrhoea.
As usual, as an uneducatable homeopathy believer, you are ignorant of basic facts.
1. Allopathy is what Hahnemann called traditional medicine. Scientific medicine came much later after he was long dead.
2. Modern medicine does not have any special research methods. It uses the same scientific methods as other sciences. So all scientists agree with them.
3. All homeo remedies are completely fake. One is no different from another. This is the standard fraud strategy of homeopaths to keep finding excuses when their fake medicine pills obviously don’t work. They normally do this to buy time until normal disease process results in remission in most cases and this is exposed by placebo studies.
Homeopathic remedies symptoms do not correspond to anything. All homeo provings are a big delusional lie. There are no brilliant homeopaths. Everyone one of them is an idiot who cannot grasp how stupid the so called proving process is. Any scientist or researcher call tell you why it is totally stupid, never mind whatever magic theories homeopaths believe in.
further,
“people with not the slightest knowledge of homeopathy” – scientists have a thorough knowledge of what homeopathy is and all scientists in the world are of one opinion, that homeopathy a very, very stupid quack belief system. It is a fact that it has been utterly, thoroughly debunked.
Google: Australia dismisses homeopathy and the JOKE is on its “less is more” principle.
“this most wonderful science” – homeopathy is a pseudoscience in every possible way. There is no science of any kind in it. It denies all sciences. It never proved anything. It failed in every scientific test. All of its doctrines are false. This is known everywhere except in the stupid world of homeopaths.
“Placebos don’t work on millions of people” – Yes they do. They even fool billions. They fool all of us, even well-educated doctors, which is why double blinding is used in research. You know nothing about placebos even though that is all you sell. In the same way, scientists understand your homeopathy scam far better than you do.
“most of whom are highly educated” – most of so called highly educated people in our country don’t understand science basics and placebos fool all humans, not just uneducated people.
“Hahnemann, Kent, Herring, E-BOOK Nash, were themselves highly qualified allopathy” – all of these are traditional medicine people, not scientific doctors. Homeopathy says traditional medicine is Allopathy. Modern medicine is not Allopathy.
“The Ministry of Ayush blundered by hastily suggesting Arsenic Alb” – Good luck AYUSH, now homeopaths are saying it is all your fault, not them, even though all of them were tweeting all over social media that stupidly diluted Arsenic is the magic cure or protection until it became obvious even to them that it does not work. I did not hear any of this in the early days. They will come next for all foolish local govts that distributed these quack pills, when they start getting more cases. You see, it is never the fault of homeopathy, it is always the fault of imperfect application or misinterpretation. Normally, they will play this game until the epidemic either ends in herd immunity or everyone gets vaccine.
Google: When homeopathy is pure BUNKUM, why do people still believe it works?
“Homeopathy is a joke that shames medicine. Its practitioners earn billions of dollars every year by peddling pure nonsense. The case against it is incredibly easy to make.”
DICLAIMER; It’s Afternoon but I am very sleepy and I have made a HUGE paragraph. But please read it. And I have made many typos, so please pardon me for that.
Hello Chay! What is your opinion about Ayurveda? I am not talking about Rasa Shastra. It is pure alchemy garbage, and was actually never part of Ayurveda. Rasa Shasta has tried to get itself included into Ayurveda since Medieval Times, but true Ayurvedic Doctors completely discredit Rasa Shastra. I am asking about the real Ayurveda. My own relatives are Ayurvedic doctors. There is an organisation, ‘Herbzalive’ founded in Chennai. It is run by Dr. Vijeypal (we know him personally). The medecines have all ingredient herbs clearly mentioned. The Herbzalive doctors completely accept and support hospital tests, scans, blood reports etc. And all other things which ‘Quack doctors discredit’. He also openly admits that there are some health problems for which Ayurveda hasn’t been able to find a cure, but for the things in which Ayurveda has established a cure, aleast you can refer Ayurveda for those ones. Herbzalive which is a complete team with many clinics in Chennai and Singapore. My mother had developed a small lump in her left breast which could become a tumour if left untreated(I don’t know the exact medical term., as my parents were not very open with me about this).My mother was referred to actual hospitals, all those tests, screening.. Shehad a treatment which lasted for 2 years which actualy got stretched because my mother and me live in Delhi, while my father was posted in Chennai for 7 years. So we used to visit him in almost twice a year, when I had school holidays, so she could get her treatment done too. When we left for Delhi, my father would send the medecines by courier (don’t worry, a female doctor used to do the check-ups and all other ‘ that kind of’ conversations to the patient) and now the lump has been eradicated. Similarly my father gets his lipid profiles etc check ups done from the pathology labs, the locally present ones, like Dr. Lal pathlabs, Dhanwantri etc(all are reputed) and shares his reports with Dr. Vijeypal on Whatsapp(and used to visit him too, till the time my father was posted in Chennai(for work). It’s just that he prescribes plant based medecines.. He cured my father’s hernia too. And I want to know about the large Ayurvedic doctor presence in Himachal Pradesh(Dharamshala town etc). What is your opinion on them?
I would like if you answer calmly, I am just asking a question. And the above incidents I said about my mother and father are 100% true. I am a 16 years old(going to be 17 in some moths) , and the above ‘losely woven’ things are actually whatever I could grasp and recall(it’s been 4 years to this). Because you know, parents aren’t very open about these things to kids till it becomes very serious(and the fact that I was 11 -13 years old at that time). A lot of the above is what I ‘overheard’ because my parents were not that much secretive too! I guess they would have discussed everything with my elder sister(7 years elder).
Nice name Nematoda. I hope that is from Biology.
Here is my calm answer. It is whatever the studies say it is. Not AYUSH studies that no one believes, but large international studies. It looks like it mostly does not work. First Ayurveda people claim they have solution for everything and everything is “promising”. Then it gets scrutiny and it all turns out to be bad studies and well designed studies mostly show no effect.
We are now seeing this play out once again with Baba Ramdev and Patanjali’s “Coronil”. It has always been like that. No one learns anything and we repeat this nonsense again and again. We are not a smart country. Smart countries learn from mistakes. We don’t.
I really don’t care about what your (or anyone else’s) personal opinions are. What do you want me to say about your mother story, your childhood story and so on? Your ability to make proper observations and judge things is very much questionable (second hand information, overheard, you were a child, appear to have no understanding of diseases – I am just stating what you said, I am not being mean). I cannot verify anything.
Most quack doctors do order blood tests, have half-baked knowledge of pathology, but then talk irrelevant things that go against those same things. No one is tasting urine for diabetes or leaving it to ants (if diabetes is that bad, it is a very late diagnosis anyway) like Ayurveda suggested. They all order blood tests.
“openly admits that there are some health problems for which Ayurveda hasn’t been able to find a cure” – funny how he puts it, because it is very questionable if Ayurveda has cure for even some things, not just reverse. This is primitive herbal stuff that people made do when we lacked understanding of germs. What has Ayurveda established itself as a cure in a way that scientists agree? Please make a list, then we’ll see. No conspiracies or oh no, science can’t understand it.. arguments please.
Most breast lumps are benign. Sometimes they go away on their own. It might have just been a lymph node, nothing more. What do you want me to say about something even you can’t state well? Just know that it is very complicated to know if something works. It is not as simple as you think. Scientists check for a lot of delusions of imagining things work when they don’t. There is no evidence that Ayurveda (that scientists everywhere can agree) can cure breast lumps of any sort.
Hernia is an anatomical problem. It cannot be cured by medicines. There will never be a pill for it. But small hernias can resolve themselves or can be treated by just pushing them back. Surgery is used in serious cases. Suggesting medicines as cure, herbal or not, is to not understand how they happen.
These quacks always take credit for self-resolving conditions.
Saying there is a herb for hernia is like Ayurveda and Ramdev saying there is a medicine for male child. Sure Ayurveda says that. But it is because people who wrote it were clueless about conception and chromosomes. It is just not how things work. 50% of the time, there will be a male child. Just advertise those as success and never mention the girl births. Easy. So anecdotes like yours are considered worthless. Proper data collection is a must, not stories.
It’s a very good article. But it’s length itself is a deterrent for an ignorant supporter of homeopathy who, by default, is against reading anything lengthier than his/her mobile-screen.
Moreover, incessant advertisements keep the screen moving up and down as you are reading.
Worth a read, but not worth a headache.
Previously someone wrote that IIT Bombay backs homeopathy because some silly adjunct (loosely affiliated with IIT) did a pathetic uncontrolled study and published in the trash journal of homeopathy.
Here is what IIT Bombay faculty wrote in The Wire today. They are telling you the same thing that every scientist in the world has been saying. That Homeopathy DOES NOT WORK and that Arsenica Alba of course does not protect against COVID-19 (they call it a FALSE SHIELD). These are not “allopaths” (the term you don’t understand which actually refers to traditional medicine). These are no paid pharma (your no proof conspiracy answer to all criticism).
There goes the last straw you were grasping at.
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A Homeopathic Defence Against COVID-19 Is No Defence at All
Starting with a “mother tincture” that has 200 grams of arsenic trioxide in 1 litre of liquid, the 30C potency medicine has one molecule of the active material present in a volume equivalent to that of 1 million Suns. In terms of the active material, an individual is consuming zero molecules.
Most popular narratives on homeopathy consist of anecdotes and scientific-sounding terms like “vital force” or “biphasic actions”. Hahnemann himself “explained” that homeopathy worked through a “dematerialised spiritual force”.
We also hear things like “a thousand people were given this medicine and then 95% did not get the disease, so it works”. This is not what a trial is and these ‘experiments’ are worthless unless compared with 1,000 people who are given placebos (i.e. blank doses).
The fact that homeopathy thrives is not proof of its efficacy – just like the existence of tarot readers and astrologers does not prove that these practices have any scientific basis.
Madhya Pradesh: Aslam Baba who treated coronavirus by kissing peoples’ hand, dies; 24 contacts test positive
Nodal officer Dr Pramod Prajapati also admitted that 24 people have been found infected who were in contact with the ”baba”. The district currently has 46 active patients. So far four people have died.
The baba himself succumbed to coronavirus on June 4. After his death, some others were quarantined in contact tracing. In the report received on June 7, six more people tested positive for the virus. Even after the administration conducted awareness, the local people used to go to Aslam Baba for treatment.
Out of a total of 85 patients in the area, 19 people have contracted COVID-19 from Aslam Baba.
What does this have to do with Homeopathy? Well, like homeo pills, kissing hands does not cure anything. But obviously many people were very convinced that it does.
You have a fever. You go to the baba. Baba kisses your hand. The fever goes away and you think it was his holy power that cured you. You think it was a miracle. This is what is meant by post hoc propter hoc. You think people who tell you this is impossible, haven’t seen it themselves. You tell them you have seen it and tell them to try it themselves. Replace baba kiss with homeo pill and you have the same silly situation.
Post hoc propter hoc: Just because something follows another does not mean it was caused by it.
This is why scientific studies are done. Just because people say they believe something, they have seen it themselves, does not mean it is true.
This defective thinking that makes people think holy men can cure disease is the same defective thinking that homeopathic placebo pills can do anything.
You may think you know science, but you are basically illiterate about it. Please listen when every National Science Academy warns you that Homeopathy is fake. Don’t be stubborn after their awareness efforts and still go to holy babas or homeopaths for “cures”. If you are an adult, attended college and still think homeopathy is real, you are definitely not smart. And if your news sources never made you aware that every scientist in every country agrees that homeopathy is fake, you need new news sources. Your current sources are just making you stupid.
It is said that alternative medicine system like Ayurveda, Homeopathy, Unani etc., are not evidence based. It would not have undergone the clinical trials but you can’t dismiss them as completely ineffective I myself have tried some Homeopathic medicines for warts & allergic ailments and some other ailments for which allopathy takes long time to cure. I really got fantastic results. But at the same time I didn’t get good results for some. I think the system needs thorough reading/ research . It is a different system of medicine and it’s method of curing is different.
Pseudoscience is not a different system. It is a fake system.
Your reading should first start with the research papers that examine these things thoroughly.
Clearly, none of you have bothered to ever even look at them, let alone study them. You are totally ignorant of science. So it is easy to make a fool of you.
Your “fantastic results” are simply natural remissions that occur when their time comes that have nothing to do with Homeopathy.
This is not clear at single patient level, but becomes very clear when examined in a study.
According to Homeopathy, Ayurveda and Unani are poisons. Homeopathy was based on disgust with procedures such as venesection that Ayurveda (Rakta Moksha) and Unani (Faşd) had and were killing people needlessly. Now homeopaths lie to you that they were never criticizing ancient medicine and they were actually criticizing scientific medicine which didn’t even exist when the founder lived.
I should also add, there is no “cure” for allergies. Anyone who tells you there is, is lying to you.
Only people who don’t understand the immune mechanism can be fooled with these fake cures.
Your body’s immune system gets programmed to respond to some substances over time.
The correct way to manage an allergy is to first find what is causing it specifically. Then you avoid contact with it. If you can’t avoid it, temporary medicines are used.
What quacks hope is whatever is causing the allergy won’t be in the environment forever (like pollen of a seasonal flower) and when it goes away, they say it is because of the fake pill.
With warts, there are so many causes. They also come and go.
Google: Wishing Away Warts
Every doctor has wart stories. Here are some of mine (author’s).
A patient made an appointment to see me because he had a wart, but when he tried to show me his wart he discovered that it had vanished! Apparently, just making the appointment cured it.
Another patient did have obvious warts and I prescribed the “wart medicine” that our pharmacy tech compounded, based on salicylic acid. He was out of one of the ingredients and had to ask my patient to return in a week. When she returned, her warts were already gone. The wart medicine apparently
worked so well that you didn’t even have to use it!
I worked with a dermatologist who used a colorful laminated card with a picture of a toad to stroke children’s warts, telling them it was a wart remover. In his experience, this would frequently make the wart vanish over the next few days. Was this ethical? Was he lying and deliberately deceiving patients, or could this be excused as playing make-believe to distract the child and improve his attitude about the wart?
Warts provide a fertile field for CAM. Various CAM modalities (chiropractic, acupuncture, homeopathy, energy medicine, etc.) have been claimed to cure warts. Acupuncturists have claimed a 90% success rate in only 1-3 weeks. PubMed lists a recent article about treatment with “sparrow-pecking” moxibustion that sounds intriguing, but no abstract is available. When warts follow their natural history and resolve, CAM is happy to take the credit. When they fail to resolve, CAM can continue treatments and continue to generate income. It’s a cash cow and ideal CAM fodder. Since warts are so common, potential clients are plentiful.
Homeopathy believers are like little kids who think rubbing a toad (frog) photo on a wart is medicine. Same placebo belief, same gullible minds. But it is sad when adults think like kids.
“Ayurveda, Homeopathy, Unani etc., are not evidence based. It would not have undergone the clinical trials”
The truth is the opposite. They have undergone extensive clinical trials, thousands in fact. Science has already disproved homeopathy thoroughly. It failed every test. That is why every National Science Academy in the world is reporting to governments to not allow Homeopaths mislead the people. They are all saying it is nonsense. They are saying there is nothing more left to research. Every bit of it is fake.
This whole article is about that science. My comments are about that science disproving it. Yet homeopaths keep acting, oh the proof is not here yet, but we know it works.
The 29 countries list of Academy of Sciences did not include Russia (but remember that Germany, where Homeopathy comes from, is included in this list) since it was all from EU. So here are Russian scientists on Homeopathy. US and EU may disagree on a lot of things with Russia. But they all agree that Homeopathy is P-S-E-U-D-O-S-C-I-E-N-C-E and homeopaths M-I-S-L-E-A-D people. Only countries today that don’t discover anything because they don’t understand science believe in a quackery like Homeopathy.
The Russian Academy of Sciences has become the latest body to declare homeopathy has “no scientific basis” and endangers people who believe it to be effective.
A memorandum issued by the the Commission Against Pseudoscience and Falsification of Scientific Research described the “treatments” as pseudoscientific, saying that attempts to verify their success had failed for over 200 years.
“Homeopathy is not innocuous: patients spend heavily on non-performing drugs and neglected means of treatment with proven effectiveness,” a statement said.
“This can lead to adverse outcomes, including death of the patient.”
“Homeopathy originated in an era when the most important principles of the chemistry and biology of the molecule properties and existence of microbes had not yet been accepted,” they said.
“[We call on the media] to present homeopathy as a pseudoscience on a par with magic, healing and psychic practices.”
The memorandum said homeopathy should not have a place in Russia’s national health system, making recommendations to the ministry of health and other bodies to introduce mandatory labelling stating homeopathy is not proven to work and “protect citizens from misleading advertising”.
I keep saying that all scientists know that Homeopathy is a scam. Homeopaths here are desperately trying to pretend that it is me and only me criticizing it. No one can wake a person only pretending to be asleep.
Independent Newspaper (UK): Homeopathic remedies are ‘nonsense and risk significant harm’ say 29 European scientific bodies
The statement was made by the European Academies Science Advisory Council (EASAC), an umbrella organisation representing 29 national academies in Europe, including the Royal Society in the UK.
The council did not mince its words in its condemnation of homeopathy, which works on the principles that “like cures like” and that water can have memory.
In a 12-page statement, the group summarised extensive scientific research and concluded that homeopathy is scientifically implausible and produces nothing more than a placebo effect in patients.
The body recommended that EU states set up regulations to quash what it claims are misleading advertisements by homeopaths, remove homeopathic treatments from public health provision, and require that homeopathic product labels clearly identify ingredients and their amounts.
Report Name: Homeopathic products and practices: assessing the evidence and ensuring consistency in regulating medical claims in the EU
Here are the 29 national science academies that agree with me that published the above report. These are not “Allopaths”. These effectively represent all scientists in these countries. All scientists that matter are saying that homeopathy is N-O-N-S-E-N-S-E and that homeopaths M-I-S-L-E-A-D people.
The Austrian Academy of Sciences
The Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
The Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
The Croatian Academy of Sciences and Arts
The Czech Academy of Sciences
The Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
The Estonian Academy of Sciences
The Council of Finnish Academies
The Académie des sciences (France)
The German National Academy of Sciences Leopoldina
The Academy of Athens
The Hungarian Academy of Sciences
The Royal Irish Academy
The Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei (Italy)
The Latvian Academy of Sciences
The Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
The Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
The Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters
The Polish Academy of Sciences
The Academy of Sciences of Lisbon
The Romanian Academy
The Slovak Academy of Sciences
The Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
The Spanish Royal Academy of Sciences
The Swiss Academies of Arts and Sciences
The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
The Royal Society (United Kingdom)
Academia Europaea
All European Academies (ALLEA)
Now go ahead with your desperate lies homeopaths, that it is only Chay who criticizes homeopathy.
Mr Chay
Please learn the language of HOMOEOPATHY.
We very well understand your language because we have been trained with it.
OK.
Please try following & then answer your questions.
TAKE A BIT RISK
Bring one small size scorpion and get its slight sting. Feel the pain.
Then TAKE LEDUM PAL 200 / 1 drop of liquid from purchased 5 or 10 ml pack a from a trusted Homoeopathic PHARMA
REPEAT 21 DROP WITH A SPOON OF WATER in every 15 to 30 minutes. You can also take
someone as variable without any medicine
KEEP OTHER MODERN MEDICINES AS A PRECAUTIONARY MEASURE. I am talking of my locality. Yours may differ.
Better allow some doctors to help you on case my medicine fails. THI IS A RISKY EXPERIMENT.
Next have 3 medicines.
1 HEPAR SULPH 200
2. CHAMOMILLA 200
3. MERC SOL 200
ALL IN 5 GM GLOBULES.
Now try to use one of above for dental neuralgia (clinically client complaints of Gum Pain or Dental pain)
Use HS for the client whose complaint is better by Warm
Use CHAM for the client whose pain is better by cold application.
Use MS not relieved by warm or col
Dose 4-6 globules in every 30 minutes’.
Next for corns of sole use Anton cr 200/ 4 dose
twice a day not allowing anything to eat or drink before & up to 30 minutes of taking the medicine.
Observe the condition after a week. You can contact me over following email Id.
HOMOEOPATHY WORKS, LEARN THE LANGUAGE. ONE CANNOT UNDERSTAND IT THROUGH APPLYING MODERN RESEARCH METHODOLOGY. HOMOEOPATHY CANNOT BE INTERPRETED BY CHI SQUARE OR ANNOVA OR Z TEST OR ALIKE STATISTICAL TESTS.
Like Science HOMOEOPATHY HAS ITS BASICS, THAT CANNOT BE CHALLENGED
WE NEED A HUGE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOMOEOPATHY WITHOUT A BIAS. O
Homeopaths like you do not understand the language of science.
They think they understand, but they don’t.
They lack basic understanding of the importance of controls, double blinding, placebo effect, regression to mean and posthoc effect.
You have got to be kidding me. How stupid do you think I am to listen to a homeopathic quack and get stung by a scorpion, however small? Get your own mini sting. Why? No reason, perhaps you deserve one.
Homeopathy DOES NOT WORK. Read the damn studies. All scientists agree, scientists from every field agree, not just medical research, that it is just a trick.
Modern research methodology is fully compatible with testing homeopathy stupidity. It is that homeopaths don’t like it because it exposes it as a placebo.
Your so-called experiment descriptions tell me you have no understanding of having controls in research. It is quite clear from what you wrote that you have no basic concept of research other than uttering Chi-square or ANOVA (did not even spell it right). Your so-called education is just learning a few words and not understanding what they mean. If you do a lot of hocus pocus for one patient and do nothing for another, obviously the hocus pocus victim will say it got better. That is what placebo effect is. More hocus pocus, more likely is the patient to say subjective things got better. Given more time, many things will heal. Without controls, proving a cure is impossible in such things.
You do this experiment. Take 10 30C Homeo tinctures. Give them to any homeo prover and tell them to guess what they are. They can’t, because your lists don’t mean anything. Matching Like vs. Like, if you can’t do this, is absurd.
Here is another experiment. Mix up all your meds. Throw in some sugar pills and make them smell like medicine with alcohol. Patients will still say they work because of placebo effect. Given enough time, matching crazy feelings adds nothing.
Homeopathy’s doctrines (basics as you call them) are pure nonsense. All have been fully debunked. Everyone with an education knows that. Homeopathy is a butt of many jokes.
You need an education!!! Right from the very basics!!! What is worse than being uneducated is being uneducated while thinking you are educated. To be a homeopath, you need to deny all education.
You can’t name one thing from Homeopathy that scientists agree is true, NOT ONE THING. Why is your record so pathetic? Because it isn’t real. That is what lacking basics means.
Don’t bother convincing me. Convince any of the 29 Science Academies I listed above that said that homeopathy is N-O-N-S-E-N-S-E and that homeopaths M-I-S-L-E-A-D people.
People do not understand Homeopathy. My family has been treated by Homeopathy and a great Homeopath. I am 65 years old and since my early 40’s, I have not seen a Medical Doctor. I have no disease that many people younger than I already have.
You would have been healthy even if you did not take Homeopathy. That is the point.
You would not have had those diseases even if you did not see a Homeopath.
I know lots of people who don’t need to go to doctors (or quacks). I am healthy myself and have no diseases.
There aren’t any “great homeopaths”, only “great scammers”. You have been getting scammed for a long time because you don’t understand basic science.
Chay, you’re a blind person, not physically ut mentally, I have nothing more to say, it isn’t wise to get involved in discussion with a person like you.
I was trying to get a ‘report’ option for your post but there’s not one. U guys are just too bad for society.
Of course you were trying to “report”. That is the only thing left for you when you don’t have any arguments.
I’d bet when you were a kid, you were looking to kick the board every time when you lost a game.
You are intellectually blind. Not just you, but all homeopaths in this board. The article gave lots of resources. I have taken time, presented lots of science, psychology, government reports and homeo facts disproving all its blind beliefs. All of you put together had no answer. Impotently looking for a report button is all you can do.
I am surprised at your charges. You use words like “uneducated” and “mentally blind” without even a second of self-reflection. Most of adjectives you frustrated fellows used are perfect descriptors for yourself.
Google: Homeopathy pseudoscience. Now go looking for report button for all the results.
Here is one.
Homeopathy is “bunk” and it could be putting people’s lives at risk, the American Chemical Society (ACS) has claimed.
ACS said the complementary medicine was based on outdated ideas developed by its founder Dr Samuel Hahnemann, who was born in 1755
“So maybe he couldn’t know that you could dilute something until it was effectively gone. Today we know that full well.
“But homeopaths still insist the dilution principle is still sound. They also claim that water can somehow remember what is dissolved in it and pass the effects of those absent molecules onto a patient.
“But to date there hasn’t been repeatable, convincing evidence of this phenomenon … the fundamental ideas of homeopathy are bunk.”
The ACS said that homeopathic remedies were “a harmless waste of money” at best. (basically what this article said about being a placebo at best)
Go click “report”. Go find it. Get busy.
Uneducated Phay below, go discuss your education with ACS.
Homeopathy is based on a delusion that Like Cures Like. It is not scientific at all. Homeopaths can’t prove it. But all of their belief is based on this fantasy.
Believing Like Cures Like is like Chinese believing that because Gorilla is powerful, you will also become strong if you eat a little Gorilla soup.
It is all pseudoscience. Moreover, the word “Like” refers to symptoms reported by provers in Homeopathy. The other Like refers to feelings stated by clients. Proving is a very stupid process. The things that people report have nothing to do with what is taken or with disease. They are all random feelings not connected to homeo or disease.
If you give homeo tinctures to homeopaths **without telling them what they are**, they can’t identify them. If they can’t figure that out, how can they possibly match anything? Like cures Like is the first stupid doctrine of homeopathy.
Homeopaths have a book of long stupid lists of non-specific feelings. When patients say something similar, homeopath says “Aha”. Except, it is Haha.
If you have a book of a bazillion irrelevant feelings, you can always feel you found something matching. But it is total nonsense.
Hi Chay,
Who are you man? You are an uneducated human on this universe. Or may be you are a cheap employee of a corporate shark pharma company.
Phay, why don’t you try and explain to me what education supports homeopathy, any subject?
Name one and I will show how experts on that subject think it is stupid.
All major subjects disprove homeopathy.
If you think homeopathy is real, you are effectively uneducated, probably just partied at college and crammed for exams.
If you do a study using 3 groups in fixed time (however long, you can have as long as homeopaths want).
Group 1: Most reputed homeopaths
Group 2: Homeopaths who read Organon in 2 days and have no experience
Group 3: Most reputed homeopath consultations, but secretly switch to sugar pills (placebo).
All 3 groups will perform identically.
In real world though, Group 1 will have more patients and success stories because experience and reputation in homeopathy is completely based on how long you can keep the gullible patient with you longer on your “treatment” because that will have a greater chance of time taking care of the disease. Talent in homeopathy is just about winning patient’s trust with empathetic talk (that a real doctor is usually too busy to provide) and keeping him trapped longer. Group 2 won’t be able to keep their customers as long.
It has nothing to do with the pill, which is just a prop and a distraction.
Homeo believers. Do yourself a favor and read about the psychology of pseudoscience belief.
Why do millions think gem stones heal?
Why do millions still think the earth is flat?
Nobody likes to admit that they have been fooled. But it is better to know the truth than lie to yourself that you are not clueless. Because admitting is the first step to fixing it. Homeopaths would rather feed you conspiracy theories about everything than admit that the whole of science disproves them. They are anti-social elements who would rather burn truth, because it hurts their income, than be honest about facts.
In other countries homeopaths publicly admit that they have no evidence, and support vaccines. They only say that it is OK for patients to try unproven (actually, homeopathy is disproven, not unproven) harmless medicines. But they privately lie to their patients about evidence and tell them not to take vaccines to sell them their fake vaccines called nosodes.
It is not “Allopaths” who disagree with Homeopathy. Homeopaths are lying about even that word. They actually meant Allopathy is all your precious herbal medicine. Their founder was very clear, all ancient medical doctrines are foolish.
It is not “western doctors” who dismiss homeopathy. It is all scientists in every field. Scientists all know that millions believe still this and just feel sad for you. You don’t need to add one more story. It just says you are one more clueless person, that you never understood anything at school and just crammed for exams. Homeopaths want you to mentally live in 1796, not 2020, just for profit from their German pseudoscience and you agree. That’s self-inflicted colonialism of the mind.
Hi Chay,
This seems to be a common thought process:, first you discredit the mainstream media by saying that it is in the employ of Big Pharma, while offering no proofs whatsoever. Once you up-end trust on mainstream channels, your target is like clay in your hands. You can get them to believe absolutely anything; homeopathy, flat earth, neo-Nazis, you name it.
I heard an interesting podcast called Rabbit Hole by the New York Times. The podcast talked about how Youtube is used by fringe groups to inflict their crazy world view to the millions, and how that is slowly changing the actual beliefs of a population at large, and not just a bunch of crazies who are addicted to Youtube. The fact that people buy it without questioning fuels its rapid spread even further. You should check it out.
Cheers,
Anees
Hi Anees,
Well, so far they accused the author, press, me, all general scientists, all medical researchers, all major governments and even all major universities of being Big Pharma people. Atheists, socialists and communists also thrown in for a good measure.
If you state one fact against homeopathy, it can only be big pharma, big pharma, big pharma. I guess it really hurts to hear that homeo has no facts to speak of, only fantasies. This is the only way they can live without compromising their precious delusion.
And yes, discredit journalists as leftists and discredit science as always changing it’s mind – so don’t worry whatever crazy thing you believe, science-will-support-me-tomorrow crazy mindset, so that any fantasy and any fact-free and compassion-free political position can be defended as “patriotic”.
The main problem is, except maybe a few, Indian colleges are terrible. A college graduate with no capacity to read research (and know enough to avoid junk research in predatory journals etc) is not a college graduate. People come out with no fundamentals at all and think they are educated. Then they believe any fake news from social media they hear 10 times. Social media algorithms from Google and Facebook bear a good part of the blame for creating echo chambers of ideas.
I haven’t tried the Rabbit Hole podcast. Thanks for the suggestion, I will check it out.
Any studies and research to prove anything that doesn’t work in contributing to Capitalism, which is the root and funding of WHO , Harvard, Standford researches or studies! We invented the Zero which was the basis of Mathematics, analytics, and research for the world! The rest can take a hike! We’re not forcing the world to use Homeopathy, or Ayurveda or anything Natural. The Brit’s stole half our natural cure inventions, so did the germans and the chinese. Chay….. you can take a hike, none of us really care two hoots about your personal views. Thanks
Homeopathy is not Indian, it is German. It severely criticizes all herbal medicine. Indian Ayurveda is a part of that. Ayurveda is labelled as Allopathy by Homeopathy. You foolishly think they are on the same side.
Zero is the amount of medicine in Homeo pills.
Zero is the effect it has on the body.
Indian Zero is much more real than German fake Homeopathy and its very capitalist fake pharma.
Karthik, nobody cares about your views either. All scientists and even minimally scientifically educated people agree with me, not you. So you can take a hike with your quack beliefs.
Also, don’t read bhakt pseudoscience literature so much. Thanks.
And there is lots of research “that doesn’t work in contributing to Capitalism”.
Research tells us that walking, bicycling are healthy, not cars or motorbikes.
Research tells us we should eat more vegetables, not processed foods.
Research tells us that all these fake supplements are useless and you should not waste money on them.
Research also tells us that capitalistic homeo Boiron and Helios fake sugar pills don’t do anything.
“Brit’s stole half our natural cure inventions” – what steal? you know you can’t steal knowledge right? If you know something, and another person learns it from you, it does not disappear from you. Even saying they copied is also a lie. You can’t name what they copied. What “natural cure inventions” did they copy? Quacks lie a lot and hope you won’t check.
Homoeopathy is world 2nd largest system ….Govt.should give permission in india……Agr yeh work ker rhi h prove ker rhi httoh please yhan rajniti mat chalao sv .
Yes, Homeopathy is No. 1 quack medicine in the world. The Indian government and almost only Indian government in the world, not only gives permission, but also promotes this pseudoscience. It probably is doing that mainly for rajniti (politics), but also possibly because it has no idea what is true and what isn’t. I mean we have a government that has already decided that cow urine and cow dung are special urine and dung for political and religious reasons and is spending thousands of crores to try and somehow show that it is. So for them medical research is politics.
And homeopaths tried, tried and tried with homeopathy to prove it. 1800 studies in 220 years tested in 68 conditions. Complete and absolute failure to show anything working in any condition. Complete failure to show that homeopathy has any effect of any kind on anything (except for making money for homeopaths).
hello, i usually never leave reply to such articles as i find it futile to argue with people who have not studied and done their homework properly before writing such articles.
i have seen that you have done extensive research doesnt matter if from internet or from actual books, u actually tried and i appreciate that.
i would like to tell you that i am a homoeopathic graduate and am practising the system too
if i knew this system was a quack one i would never have chose this system as my occupation… well that’s the personal side of it,
i agree that many graduates do shift to modern medicine, but i dont think its because the system is faulty, as a medical care giver if the patient is not genuinely getting better the doctor does get disheartened and will switch, but while talking about that we should also keep in mind the way of selecting the medicine in homoeopathy is not the same as in modern medicine, we dont have just one medicine for a disease and we depend on the symptom availability in the case, if you carefully see all the people having acidity will not have the same set of symptoms, we can that the individuality and the physician who is able to identify that correctly can only choose the correct remedy for the case which takes a lot of practice and dedication,
also would like to specify that the founder of the system was himself a practitioner of modern system who got tired of the practices at that era which were very brutal ( venesection being one of them).
also just as there are people who switch from homeopathy to modern system there are lot many people who switch from modern to homoeopathy.
i know whatever i say will be of no use because you are going to defend your article just as i will defend my system of medicine.
i just wanted to state the lesser known facts…
because the modern system has a kind of straight forward method to treat all the physicians who practice will get results but in our system you need to master the system to treat which is why many newbies switch because they fail to do so.. so the system should not be blamed
and also there are results shown in the patients i.e, positive results … that is why many still practice the system too, atleast that is why i do…
if you like to do some more reading on the subject please do…
the thing about water memory was found later on, when the system was founded all it mattered was to find a better way to cure which was not harmful to the patients, ( the practice during that time was pretty brutal ) that was when the modern techniques and medicines were not even completely found. that was the situation then… and it did not matter how it worked they just saw that the remedies worked.. so it was left upon the future gen to find out how it worked.
just saying that there might be a possibility that science has yet to develop how it works… because science is always evolving day by day… just a possibility…
also about learning part of the system.. as the doctor said there are many colleges who just teach the theory part of the system which may be because of many reasons… but as far as i am concerned i graduated from a college where i got practical experience too we were equally trained in homoeopathic and non homoeopathic subjects too, we got to assist in surgeries, deliveries, and all sorts of things… just as they do in the modern medical colleges… so again the same thing do not judge the whole system by one college or doctor. and also people are not so ignorant or superstitious as before, if they do not get benefits from the treatment they wont continue so its upto the patients.. if they are better that’s all that matters
i get that you are not a medical professional and have tried to explain the things as simple as possible…
again i know telling all this is not gonna achieve anything as you are going to defend your article just as i will defend my system.
if at all you wanna read more about the system please feel free to read the books of our system… just saying as you have read all the things written by all the researchers…. then why not books from the system too
have a good day.
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“if i knew this system was a quack one i would never have chose this system as my occupation.”
Obviously you did not know it was a quack one and you still don’t.
“we should also keep in mind the way of selecting the medicine in homoeopathy is not the same as in modern medicine”
Boss, I know exactly what your system is. You don’t need to explain it to me. It is not complicated idea, just a wrong one. Your provings method is completely wrong. They don’t mean anything.
Matching symptoms is just a confused exercise. Whether knowingly or unknowlingly, all you are doing is passing time until time takes care of the disease.
“the founder of the system was himself a practitioner of modern system” – your founder was a herbal medicine practitioner. It was modern then. It is stupid now. It wasn’t based on any science.
venesection is an Ayurvedic practice called rakta mokshan. It is a pseudoscience ancient medical practice, not a modern one. Yes, it was very brutal and the founder was correct in criticizing it, but to call it modern is lying.
“because you are going to defend your article” – not my article.
“in our system you need to master the system” – your system is a fantasy. You can bring your best homeopaths into a study and they will still do no better than placebo.
“there are results shown in the patients i.e, positive results” – and you bury negative results. When both are counted, results are same as placebo.
“if you like to do some more reading on the subject” – you lack basic understanding of science. First get that. Learn how pseudoscience beliefs work.
“the thing about water memory was found later on” – water memory is pseudoscience.
“was founded all it mattered was to find a better way to cure which was not harmful to the patients” – except homeopathy is not a cure for anything. It just does not harm because it is just sugar. No effect, no side effect.
“just saying that there might be a possibility that science has yet to develop how it works” – none whatsoever. It is completely proven now that homeopathy is fake and has no effects. The question of “how it works” is irrelevant when it is proven that it doesn’t work in the first place.
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“so again the same thing do not judge the whole system by one college or doctor”
I am not judging boss. There are thousands of studies and major reviews. Stop ignoring them. All scientists agree that homeopathy is a scam and has no effect on health or disease. Stop pretending again and again that this is just my opinion and judgment. The entire educated world agrees on this and you want to act like I am the only one here.
“also people are not so ignorant or superstitious as before”
Yes they are. Only words and superstitions changed. Nothing changed after people got degrees. They still think in the same uneducated way for most part. Nobody understands basic things like placebo effect, regression to mean and post hoc ergo propter hoc. Like you, they also seen unable to understand even when explained (or maybe they are just acting).
“then why not books from the system too”
I read books from your system and noted that they were all written by fools. Only fools can find them intelligent.
Educate yourself. You don’t have the standard of a 12th standard student in science. Stop thinking of yourself as a doctor and think you are educated. You are just a legal quack.
Haters gonna hate homeopathy, but homeopathy the most gentle form of cure will always emerge with it’s efficacy and actions.. you guys please continue with the critics… We need it.. as these critics give us more confidence over our science which not every outsider understand without reading alot of literature and nature’s laws of cure 😉
Yes, homeopathy is the most gentle form of cure, like unicorns are the most gentle mode of transportation.
nature’s laws = some german guy’s 1796 silly beliefs that we shall never ever question.
Yes militant atheist,unicorn and spagetti monster comes in ur dream but u don’t believe in this dream.your communism is failed,and then u give 24 excuse.your atheism will not make you citizen of west,allopathy always gives side effects,and patents was always been created by west.it was quinine from which malaria drug is creates,u still have to rely on bacteria to create antibiotic,humans can never create the system like human body.
I am not a militant atheist Zafar. I am a peaceful scientific atheist who naturally does not believe in unicorns like you, your unicorn being homeopathy effects. Neither am I a communist. I am glad it failed. Atheism wasn’t invented by the West. It was probably invented by India too.
Scientific medicine is about whether something works, not where it comes from. Quack medicine is medicine which continues to be promoted even after being fully disproven. That is what homeopathy is.
Ha Ha. Please stop entertaining this troll. He quotes wikipedia and is trying to establish that Homeopathy does not work. The entire article is paid for by pharma lobby. I have personal experience of my uncle being revived by Arnica after a severe road accident which caused blood clot in temporal region. Doctors at the hospitals had given up and said nothing can be done. Arnica saved him.This was in 1992. He lived good 20 years more after that incident.
Haha, no.
First, the author gave you guys a large number of very credible links to reports and articles, probably more than any article I ever read in news. You guys ignored all of them and proceeded to sprew conspiracy allegations.
I gave you a large collection of comprehensive government reports, 12 in fact (“see Dear Homeo Lobby” post), multiple times, and you guys ignored them.
I pointed you to a Lancet (a top medical journal) report, you guys ignored it.
I pointed you to do a search in the prestigious Nature. You guys ignored it.
I challenged you to do a search in any international newspaper, if Nature is too much for you, you guys ignored it.
I gave you psychology articles explaining the mechanism by which people get tricked, you guys ignored them.
I gave a link explaining the uselessness of anecdotal evidence, you guys ignored it.
I gave referred you to a book that explains quack medicine, you guys ignored it.
I pointed you to common comedies having a laugh at how ridiculous homeopathy is, you guys were silent.
I gave you a classic debunking article from 1842 (typo earlier), you guys ignored it.
Did I forget anything? probably, because that is not even the full list.
I finally gave you a wiki summary of the classic article hoping that at least that reading level is in your capacity to read (the original article is way above your vocabulary). Now all you read is the word “Wiki” and say oh he quoted wiki, say pharma lobby, once again and post yet another useless anecdote and say you can ignore me.
You didn’t need any reason to ignore me. Don’t worry about looking for reasons now.
A book recommendation for people who don’t understand why scientists regard these so called alternative medicines as fake.
They are not really alternative treatments, they just trick you into thinking they are treatments. The book describes how.
Trick or Treatment by Simon Singh PhD
The author is a theoretical and particle physicist who is a very well known author on many complex topics over many years.
Chapters
1 How Do You Determine the Truth?
2 The Truth About Acupuncture
3 The Truth About Homeopathy
4 The Truth About Chiropractic Therapy
5 The Truth About Herbal Medicine
Chiropractors took him to court for just speaking the truth. The attempt backfired badly and chiropractors lost credibility so much that UK updated its laws to specifically protect freedom for criticism for people like Simon Singh.
Whenever anyone speaks the truth against alternative medicine scams, quacks come out in full force and try to silence the author. They are an organized gang.
Homeopaths, you should really read Homeopathy and Its Kindred Delusions.
Here is the short summary for you from the Wiki. Homeopathy and its provings have been debunked in 1854, but you guys try very hard to pretend to sleep.
Homeopathy and Its Kindred Delusions is composed of two parts. In the first, Holmes explains how the placebo effect can produce false positives, and describes numerous forms of popular but ineffective quackery (including the royal touch, the tractors of Elisha Perkins, and the powder of sympathy), to demonstrate that positive anecdotal evidence is not necessarily indicative of an effective medical therapy. He also describes how Perkins claimed the healing powers of the tractors were due to their being made of a special alloy, but how they declined in popularity after it was discovered that the tractors had the same effect no matter what they were made of. In the second, he criticizes the basis of homeopathy itself, such as its theory of dilutions. Another issue is that of homeopathic provings (the practice of taking a substance to see what symptoms it causes). Holmes claims that during provings, subjects consider even the slightest discomfort (such as itching) to be the result of the substance, and that this method does not demonstrate symptom causality.
In the work Holmes also expressed a belief that “real advances were made only after years of work by highly trained men who cared little for fame and money”.
Homeopaths are fake trained people who only care for fame and money. They never made any advance in over 220 years because they only live in delusions. They have always been anti-truth and anti-science (except fictional future science which they are sure will prove them right).
Read this line carefully “Holmes claims that during provings, subjects consider even the slightest discomfort (such as itching) to be the result of the substance, and that this method does not demonstrate symptom causality.”
All smart people have always known that all your provings are a delusion. You guys don’t because none of you are smart or you only act like this because your livelihood depend on believing this delusion.
Every dream, feeling, emotions, sensation you get after taking something is not automatically because of it. This mistaken belief that it is, is what is called post hoc ergo propter hoc. You wrote entire books on these completely irrelevant feelings and pretend you are diagnosing things like matching palm lines to future events like palmists.
I want to tell you every test disproves palmistry, but what is the use? You guys have no intelligence, so you guys probably mostly think palmistry is all true as well and you will all come with a long list of “positive anecdotal evidence” for that as well. Sorry, but such stories are proof only for people with no logical minds, weak education and poor intelligence. But fortunately for you, India is mostly this today. I feel sad about this, but for you, it is JACKPOT.
Hey Chay,
Thought you would be interested to know… Rajiv Bajaj (CEO of Bajaj Auto) is a big proponent of homeopathy, and he has been freely distributing Camphora 1M to all the people he can, including his employees, cops, corporation workers and so on. He’s now collecting feedback which has the following questions:
Name, sex, age, phone number
Have you suffered from any illness in the past 28 days? Y/N
What symptoms are you suffering from?
Since when are you experiencing these symptoms?
Do you have any travel history outside of your district in the past 28 days?
Are you currently on any medication?
Are you following social distancing? Y/N/Part of essential services
Date of taking first dose of Camphora?
Were the doses taken as advised? Y/N
Who supplied you with the remedy?
Do you give your permission for the data collected to be used for research purposes?
Do you give your permission to be contacted if needed?
The survey is clearly trying to get data to measure the efficacy of the medicine. Since it is not a double blind test, I wonder whether it can really prove anything?
If a statistically insignificant number of people end up taking it, it won’t actually create any data worth talking about, because it is likely that all these people were lucky enough to not be infected anyway.
But if Covid-19 does go on to infect 50-60% of the population (as some say), then it is quite likely that even a small bunch of people who do take the medicine are exposed, and will go on to be infected. Either way you look at it, it will be interesting to see the results of this so-called trial. And if the results are never reported, well, you know what happened! 😉
Great writing by the way. I’ve enjoyed reading your comments more than the actual article now! This is also a great writing exercise: find an article criticising a subject, and write a 200 word comment everyday to all the bhakts on the comment board! What is amazing is that there is interest from both sides – well, lots of bhakts and just you on the other side. So here’s giving you some solidarity on this board!
Thanks Anees. Pseudoscience is always the popular position in our country in most boards. Sorry state of affairs.
Yes, surveys like this are useless. Who would be honest, especially in India, when your boss enrolls you in a survey where there is clearly an outcome that the CEO is strongly interested in? The likely response would be, this does not interest me, I will just give what the CEO wants to hear and be done with it.
Without a proper blinding and cohorts (proper randomization), these surveys are weak and useless, even when conducted with large samples. One can’t call this a “trial”, it is just an silly exercise by someone who is unqualified for conducting proper science. The methodology is childish. Homeo’s pseudo studies are full of junk science like this. Their thinking never seems to have progressed from 1796.
These surveys are not considered by scientists but their real purpose is not to convince scientists but Indian public which does not know how to separate junk studies from good studies. And yeah, they conveniently bury even these studies when they don’t say what they want to hear. Homeo studies like this are like dentist surveys we see in TV ads – 8 out 10 dentists use our toothpaste. They are meant to influence consumers, not researchers who question everything.
When the Australian Government Review went through some 1800 studies, they found only 220 or so studies that even met the basic criteria. Out of this, they concluded that Homeopathy was not effective in any of the 68 conditions they evaluated.
What I find amazing is that an industrialist like Mr. Bajaj, who has made his wealth based on cold, well-reasoned arguments, considers homeopathy as something to expend his time and money on. Contrast that with his arguments on opening up the economy, and how the lockdown is hurting more than it is helping a fragile country like ours, which make sense for the most part. He doesn’t talk about how social distancing will be hard to practise for a majority of his workers who live in tiny spaces, for example, but that seems to be par for the course for people like him who come from a place of privilege.
Sadly, when someone who seems to be very logical and shrewd when it comes to running his business gets behind pseudoscience, it only helps it propagate faster. The only thing remaining is for the King Khans and Sachin Tendulkar to advertise this on national media.
PS: What is the concentration in 1M? Is it just one part in 1 thousand? Or is it one in 1 thousand repeated 1 thousand times, so therefore 1 part in a million?
I don’t think Bajaj junior is much of a brain. His only qualification is being born to a rich dad. “Some” education and inheriting a company with good managers will automatically follow that. But I don’t pay attention to him, so I can’t say if he is smart on other topics. I just think that non-scientists opinions on matters of science are just as irrelevant as scientists opinions on how to run a scooter business.
His arguments are not original of course. The whole world is currently debating the cost of lockdown and publishing non-covid deaths attributable to the lockdown and so on. This is effecting even rich countries and everyone is debating on how to strike a balance. He probably just read a few of those articles and stated those views as his own gyan. I doubt he has any original ideas on epidemiology and complex economic issues.
1M is 1000C.
It is 1 in 100 dilution (1C) repeated a 1000 times. So 100 to the power of 1000.
That is 1 followed by 2000 zeros. 1 part in a million is just 3C.
We are talking heights of stupidity here.
That’s 1 in 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Feel free to correct my number homeopaths.
The key here is, everything is power based, not multiplication.
1000C looks like 1000 x C (100), which is just 1 lakh. But 1M really is 100 raised to the power of 1000.
Still not clear news (said to be corroborated, but anonymous sources), but it looks like Bajaj junior is denying, at least the Aurangabad plant shutdown
Covid-19: Over 200 employees test positive at Bajaj Auto’s Waluj plant
More than 200 employees have tested positive and four have succumbed to Covid-19 as on Friday at Bajaj Auto’s factory at Waluj in Aurangabad, three people aware of the development told Mint.
“About 165 workers were identified as Covid-19 positive cases until 3 days ago. This number is now more than 200,” the first person aware of the developing matter said, requesting anonymity.
If this is true, obviously his dear Arsenica Alba 30C prevention embarrassingly failed (necessarily). He is literally the only major CEO to risk his employee lives on Homeopathy.
Just leaving this here. A mail from someone high up in the bajaj hierarchy praising camphora 1m and recommending increasing the dosage
Dear All,
As we are aware, COVID is all around us. Pune & Mumbai were in particular badly hit. It is impossible to run away from this or to hermetically seal oneself from it. The only way we can overcome it is by improving our immunity so as to resist it & to follow the basic hygiene like sanitising our hands/ social distancing etc.
At XXX we have provided the homeopathic remedy Camphora 1M to build up our immunity. We have been tracking the infections on a daily basis, identifying the primary contacts, home quarantining them & providing every one of our infected team members as well as their families the medical advise from Dr. Sankaran (world renowned Homeopathic doctor). Doctors from his clinic have worked incessantly to provide the fastest way to recover in these cases.
The remedy Camphora has worked brilliantly for us. Barring once case, all our infected people have recovered or are in the process of recovering with either no symptoms or with mild symptoms. For a team that is over 1200 strong, this is fantastic, considering that we have people from all age groups & coming from all over Pune. And XXX has been working from 7th of May unlike other teams at Akurdi. We have fared quite well. without any pandemonium & keeping the work going unstopped. I would like to compliment all of you for this.
When the infection rate had suddenly started going up in XXX three weeks back, Dr. Sankaran advised us to increase the frequency of the Camphora dose. He suggested double dose (4 pills in morning & 4 pills in evening) to be taken per day for 14 days. (would like to reiterate that we should have nothing other than water, 30 mins before or after taking the medicine. This is most important for its full effectiveness).
I am very happy to share that we have seen a drastic reduction in the infection rates since we stated the double dose. 53% of our people who had tested positive have re-joined work after full recovery. Others are recovering fast too. All this is due to the personal attention that was being given to us by Dr. Sankaran & his associates, based on request from our MD.
Tomorrow will be the last day of the 14 day course of double dose/ day. Looking the data of how XXX is faring, Dr Sankaran has advised us to continue with double dose/ day for another14 days more starting from 27th. I am organising the necessary quantity of medicine for our teams. YY will coordinate the distribution from tomorrow morning.
I would urge you to follow the dosage & have the medicine in a disciplined manner as per the procedure mentioned above. Pl ensure that your family staying with you is taking the medicine too. We need to beat this infection or else our XXX function will be impaired.
While all this is being done, I would like to remind you that you need to follow the discipline of social distancing at work, tea breaks & lunch breaks. I have noticed many times at work place, lunch breaks & team breaks that people tend to cluster together closely. This is not a responsible behaviour. we need to do our bit in keeping a min distance of 1 to 1.5 m under these circumstances. Also use virtual meeting as much as possible. It is important that we are all at work consistently & meeting one another whenever necessary. But we should use technology as much as possible to prevent crowding so that we can work uninterrupted.
Let us take the next course of medicine in a disciplined manner & maintain the social distancing norms. Wishing you all good health.
Regards
This Sankaran is a youtube quack. His talks appeal to gullible fools who don’t understand Biology.
He describes himself as “internationally renowned thinker”. There are no thinkers of any kind in homeopathy. Every single one of them is a badly educated fool. He still thinks miasms are not imaginary. He talks bullshit about “Sensation method” he just made up.
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From just Wikipedia
The miasma theory (also called the miasmatic theory) is an obsolete medical theory that held that diseases—such as cholera, chlamydia, or the Black Death—were caused by a miasma (μίασμα, ancient Greek: “pollution”), a noxious form of “bad air”, also known as night air. The theory held that epidemics were caused by miasma, emanating from rotting organic matter. Though miasma theory is typically associated with the spread of contagious diseases, some academics in the early nineteenth century suggested that the theory extended to other conditions as well, e.g. one could become obese by inhaling the odor of food.
The miasma theory was accepted from ancient times in Europe and China. The theory was eventually given up by scientists and physicians after 1880, replaced by the germ theory of disease: specific germs, not miasma, caused specific diseases.
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It is unbelievable that even after discovering all the microbes that cause diseases, these morons still think it is because of “miasma”. Back then, no microscope, so some stupid theory was invented to explain the mystery of why diseases occur. Even after 140 years, homeopaths still can’t catch up to the reality of microbiology.
Such an outdated notion to dismiss Homeopathy. Most of these articles are by paid pharma trolls. Allopathy has literally nothing to offer ,and people are dying needlessly. Meanwhile in India with a population ten times the size of the US and borders China where the government encourages it’s use along with Ayurvedic and Tibetan medicines we see less cases of the virus and a 50% recovery rate. I am confident as a board certified Homeopath in practice eighteen years, that we have much to offer. There are plenty of successful research studies showing the science of Homeopathy. And more importantly cured cases of this virus using this modality. While you discredit in favour of allopathy you miss a great opportunity to have another choice in the treatment. No one is saying it’s an either or. Sometimes allopathy is needed and very important in heal care options. But to completely discredit a science and medicines based n this is irresponsible, and ignorant. May all be healthy. may all have options fo their health.
Quacks always, always lie like this.
There has never been an Ayurvedic treatment (which is herbal medicine, which was called allopathy by homeo founder) that improved any viral recovery rate, let alone by 50%.
I don’t think I have to repeat that there has never been any proper study that proved that homeopathy ever reduced recovery rate (not just viral, ayurveda may work in other non-viral cases to some extent) in any disease in any way. It always performs exactly as placebo.
So, there are obviously no working homeopathic pills for any ailment and also no ayurvedic herbs for any viral ailment.
Quacks always do manipulative studies where the result has already been decided by them to fool people who don’t understand studies. They are frauds. These “studies” don’t get published in scientific journals, only in quack journals. Upon inspection by others, these always turn out to be false. When disproved, they just bury that and move to tell the next lies.
The hypocrisy of homeopaths
Homeopaths: Modern medicines are bad. Pharma is Evil. They contain “chemicals”. They have “side effects”. Try our sugar pills instead, no side effects, no chemicals (no anything actually). They are so much better than everything else. Scientific Medicines are a “A BIG ZERO” (Roni).
Also Homeopaths: If you don’t permit us from taking a bridge course and qualify us to prescribe these same scientific medicines we hate, all 1000 of us are going to starve ourselves to death right here.
“Mumbai: Homeopathy Doctors on Indefinite Hunger Strike Over Scrapping of Bridge Course”
1000 homeopathy practitioners across the country have staged an indefinite hunger strike at Azad Maidan and are sleeping at the Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminals (CSMT) station at night since two days. The doctors said this strike is against the National Medical Council bill’s amendment to scrap bridging course for AYUSH doctors to practice allopathy.
Given half a chance, every BHMS will eagerly tear up his fake medicine degree in homeopathy, in exchange for an MBBS. But until then, he will say every vile thing against it.
When did anyone ever go into BHMS, declining an MBBS? Any one with a brain knows your situation homeopaths: Sour Grapes.
You know the truth, deep down as well, as you pretend to sleep against the pseudoscience that you are terrified will get exposed (which is why you were here as a mob, to shout it down quickly and paint it as weird article) and effect your livelihood.
When people go into BHMS, declining MBBS seats at good medical colleges, then we will listen to you, maybe. Until then, please spare us your drama.
Hi,
I just have a quick question with alopathy. Any medicine for hives(chronic urticaria)?? Mostly preferred by an allopath is antihistamine even the prescribing doctor will not hope in prescribing it. But it works with homeopathy.
Urticaria occurs when mast cells in the skin release their granules. They are meant to fire in response to external threats, but sometimes misfire to things like temperature changes, stress and exercise.
Sometimes an allergen or trigger can be identified. Other times that is difficult or unavoidable and it becomes chronic. Indian government not doing quality controls on labs instead of pushing quack medicines does not help either. But even with good labs, triggers can be difficult to identify because you can’t typically lock patients up in a lab for days, they go home and get exposed to unspecified number of things and give poor accounts. Anti-histamines can help as a general solution, especially if the cause happens to be an unidentified allergen.
Our hot, humid, dusty, polluted cities with little help from government with guidance on pollution and allergens are likely the key culprit. In nearly every case I hear about, when the person takes an overseas trip to a clean city, they get instantly better, but it returns when they come back. So it is usually environmental for Indians. But it is not a new disease. It was mentioned in the oldest medical texts.
Urticaria of unknown causes, usually auto-resolves in a few years, without treatment, the body better adjusting itself to the environment. During this time, if the patient happens to be on homeo placebos, he becomes convinced that homeo placebos did wonders. Homeopaths love urticaria for this reason. They will almost always eventually resolve if you somehow keep the patient with you for a long time. This is achieved by bonding with the patient by long (and useless) interviews. Then they can milk their cow. It is also very common. 1 in 5 have it at some point. So it is a cash cow for them.
But in placebo controlled studies, homeo placebos perform no better than simple placebos. The mean duration to remission is the same whether the sugar pill is homeo or non-homeo. Any immunologist will laugh at the idea of homeopathy having any effect on anything.
A homeopath is like a jilted lover.
Guy falls in love with a girl (modern medicine), but only for her looks (medical salary) and not for who she genuinely is (scientific).
Guy woos her, tells everyone she is his destiny and proposes to the girl (takes entrance exam). Girl says the guy does not understand her (science) and turns him down.
Guy now either has an imaginary girlfriend (self-taught homeopathy) or marries another girl he has no passion in (BHMS) and now cannot stop telling everyone how his imaginary or backup girlfriend is so much better than the one he ardently pursued in his youth and how he is so much better off now than he would have been if she accepted him.
Guy lives in bitterness and keeps making up rumors (starts calling her allopathy, same name he called some little girl (ancient, herbal medicine) he hated when he was a kid) about the girl who rejected him for the rest of his life. He calls his dream girl, high-maintenance (side-effects) and that his new one is beautiful on the inside (will be validated in some impossible future) and keeps coming up with crazy rationalizations (quantum physics, string theory, nano-technology, even God).
But deep down, he knows the truth, he wasn’t good enough, he didn’t genuinely try to understand her and he will always hate himself for it.
The end.
What? Too real? I am the only one who truly understands you, better than yourselves :-).
Dear Homeopaths, Just leave the bay. Let the so called modern doctors shout as much as they can. They may need Aconite 30c to make them calm. When Science brings GOD into graphs, numbers and equations, the mystery of Homeopathy drugs will be revealed. The drug is in Dynamic form and not in material form. We need to go beyond the latest string theory in physics. Till date science has developed to harvest energy from Atom, Air, Water, Heat and Light. Very shortly we are going to harvest energy from Space. That’s the eternal. What is outer than 10 billion light years ahead is equal to what is inside within 1 femtometer. Science will develop shortly to discover it. Evolution of man kind is yet not complete. Homeopathy will be the order of the day in future. With regard to Covid-19 if the invisible virus can scare you, then the invisible God which is more powerful than it also has the power to save you, that’s Arsenicum Album 30c. Stay clam. Live with Prosperity.
Listen to Prakash homeopaths. You came here just to shout when the article was written. That is not going to work. The more you talk, the more facts about homeopathy will come out.
As for quack Prakash and his ignorance.
“When Science brings GOD into graphs, numbers and equations” – No, it doesn’t. What do you know about equations, numbers and graphs? When did you write your last equation? Middle school? I can bet you can’t write even those now.
“the mystery of Homeopathy drugs will be revealed” – This is what all quacks say. In the future, when we are all dead and we had already used all the money we defrauded from you, we will prove correct. So don’t ask questions today, just let us make money.
“The drug is in Dynamic form and not in material form” – The drug is in imaginary form, not dynamic form. Science has no problem with dynamic things. They are quite easy to prove. Magnetism is dynamic. Electricity is dynamic. Light is dynamic. All are easy to detect. Homeo magic energy and miasmas are imaginary. Give a bunch of different homeo pills and some plain sugar pills, no homeopath can tell any difference between them because your “provings” are pure fantasies.
“We need to go beyond the latest string theory” – Homeo quacks don’t even understand Newton and Periodic Table. You just stay in 1796. String theory is beyond all your collective intelligence. You guys don’t even understand molecules and cells.
“Very shortly we are going to harvest energy from Space” – No, we are not (unless you mean solar, which you don’t because we already do. So you mean space as a dimension). Where did you read this junk from? Facebook? Another quack web site?
“Evolution of man kind is yet not complete” – there is no concept of “complete” in evolution. This is why people say you don’t understand basic biology.
“Homeopathy will be the order of the day in future.” – Sure, in the future, when pigs will be able to fly.
“then the invisible God which is more powerful than it also has the power to save you, that’s Arsenicum Album 30c.” – Homeopathy is religion. All beliefs, no proofs, just testimonies, exactly like religion.
“Live with Prosperity” – by defrauding patients with imaginary medicines but charging non-imaginary money. Why don’t we have patients to also pay you back with dynamic energy. Just let them send good thoughts to you, not material money. That’s more powerful, right? Patients can take some water, send prosperity thoughts into it and give it to you. Its only fair. If that’s not enough, you can dilute that “mother tincture” some more.
Dear the so called Dr.Chay my comment is not addressed to you. hence you are a wrong number to reply. Apple fall due to gravitational pull of earth is itself a misnomer. How much do you know about me ? I shall derive all the physical equations any time with explanations wherever you are in doubt. Even I can answer to your comment word by word. Let’s have a debate on this issue. We know a little allopathy. Similarly we also would advice you to know a little of homeopathy before we start the discussion. A book on organon & The science of homeopathy by Dr. George vithoulkas may help you. Thank you for your valuable time.
Dear quack Prakash, I didn’t care that it was not addressed to me. I thought that was obvious.
FYI, I never called myself Dr. Only you quacks called yourself Drs.
“Apple fall due to gravitational pull of earth is itself a misnomer.” – Oh, really? Please cite where you got this from. I will see how scientific you are and what quality web sites you read.
“How much do you know about me ?” – I know that you think imaginary homeo is “dynamic” and that evolution has “completion” and have no idea that Hahnemann was calling herbal medicine Allopathy, not scientific medicine. That’s enough to know the size of your intellect. Who is talking about “Allopathy”? I am talking about scientific medicine. None of you quacks even know what Hahnemann’s meant by Allopathy.
Your “maestro” vithoulkas is also just a quack like the rest of you. I have seen your quack’s new millennium book. It is nothing but pseudoscience explanations and is only worth laughing at. That you think this is “science” tells me you know nothing about science. Pick an explanation and I will educate you how your maestro obviously knows nothing about science.
What do you know about biology? How many quack medical beliefs do you know? Let’s discuss what post-hoc-ergo propter-hoc is, word by word. Go on, google. After that, let’s discuss regression to mean and statistical theory.
You don’t know science. You believe in homeopathy like religion. You become a fundamentalist when you know only your religion. Learn about other religions and you get some sense. Same situation with quack medicine. Learn about many quack beliefs and understand why they are considered pseudoscience. That will open your eyes about your pseudoscience beliefs.
So I looked at your dynamic nonsense in Vithoulkas book
“it is not the microbes or the virus or the bacteria, nor even their virulent poisons on the biochemical level that cause disease, but rather their intimate nature, their vital force, their very ‘soul’. And that is something dynamic.”
You don’t realize this is pure garbage? This sounded like an intelligent person talking to you? Souls of bacteria and viruses? You are going to debate with his stupid arguments? No one except unintelligent homeopaths are amused by this nonsense.
Google Vitalism first.
Ok carry on Chay. You are right. Your replies are excellent. For your information Iam not a doctor. Your perception is wrong. About Newton it is not taken from any website. If possible search, search…. I can understand your indepth knowledge by replying to all messages. Thank you for your time.
Dear Chay, I am not a doctor, I am not a homeopath. And that is all what you know about me. Thank you for your timely reply. It shows your in depth interest to save the nation. Good, Keep it up. Find the vaccine at your earliest. About Newton I didn’t took it from any website / facebook, etc. If you are interested search on the net as you did for Vithoulkas.
Prakash, oh, you are a self-taught, amateur homeopath. One thing I can say is self-taught homeopaths really believe all this. They are not in it for the money. They are true, passionate believers because they usually don’t know or remember any biology. So disease being caused by virus soul interactions and such really sound like good explanations for them. BHMS homeopaths know some biology and know deep down it’s not even sensible.
“If possible search, search” – but that is the problem, isn’t it? if you “search search”, you can basically find pseudoscience explanations for any belief. Moms can convince themselves that vaccines caused autism, conspiracy prone people can convince themselves that Bill Gates is out to “depopulate” earth and believers in flat earth can form clubs and grow in size and confidence in even what is obviously a completely nutty position. On the Internet, there are far more pseudoscience blogs than science blogs. There are more pseudoscience books sold than real science books.
Chay, thanks for a reply again. Thanks for your enlightenment. Your responses are wonderful. Keep it up. Your appraise for the same is awesome. Your interest to save the community from the quacks in highly welcome. Keep probing.
No problem man, I will keep probing homeopaths. In the meantime, you can keep probing on brilliant things such as how to put “GOD into graphs, numbers and equations”.
With your blessings, I am working on it Chay, Thank you.
A physicist work is to find it. I am so.
Physics goes in search of the so called GOD.
Gravity initially devised by Newton. Though Gravity was the first known force, it is yet the least understood.
Newtonian Mechanics considered gravity to be an attribute of mass.
Modifying Newton, Einstein had a different Idea about gravity; he asserted that gravity arises due to a particle’s effect on the space surrounding it.
Any other particle within the ambit of that distorted Space gets affected accordingly.
Previous to this, Space had been considered as a passive background when particles move; Einstein was he first to realize and declare the dynamic and active nature of Space.
Modifying Einstein further, Our model (under study by our group) asserts that gravity is solely due to the constant, surrounding force exerted by space on the particles. The force exerted by the space tends to decrease the distance between any two given particles.
Science is subject to change, because it searches the so called GOD, when Gravity is redefined with equations, numerals and graphs obviously GOD has the same.
I mean the Gravity as God.
This is just FYI. Thanks again.
“Our model (under study by our group) asserts that gravity is solely due to the constant, surrounding force exerted by space on the particles” – for your sake, I hope you are not a friend of Kannan Jegathala Krishnan and that your “group” is not the Vethathiri cult 🙂
absolutely not
Maybe you know them as World Community Service Center. It seems to consist of sub-standard engineers around Chennai who fantasize being theoretical physicists and cosmologists even though they do not have basic qualifications on those subjects. They also have homeo beliefs as part of their cult since their basically uneducated founder was a homeopath.
I was joking with “GOD into graphs, numbers and equations”. It wasn’t a compliment. I meant you missed the whole point of numbers and equations. I am not trying to insult you personally, just laughing at the silliness of the idea.
Laughing is equally a pseudo science, right
No, laughter is an appropriate and deserving response to quacks and pseudoscience believers. Talking science to people without even fundamentals, but with Napoleonic complexes, is not useful.
Oh I see
The whole world laughed at India when the representative of the uneducated Vethathiri homeopath’s cult (Kannan Jegathala Krishnan, a delusional electrical engineer from Chennai) declared that gravitational waves will soon be renamed as Narendra Modi waves and that the gravitational lensing effect will become known as the Harsh Vardhan effect, all while presenting no science of any kind. He babbled the same vithoulkas level low-class garbage on stage, very similar to what you wrote above and was considered a “Gorilla” by national science advisor.
Indian scientists cried though.
Proper donkeys, these people. You definitely would condemn the utter stupidity of such fools right? You would never misrepresent your association with these pathetic losers, correct? Unlike him, you would not call yourself a physicist without first getting a proper physics degree. Correct? You know the difference between a theoretical physicist and low quality engineers that India is currently overflowing with. Right?
For your info, we are in no way connected with Kannan Jegathala Krishnan. Please do not type just with the knowledge what you have gained from the very first click on net. If you have time, check the below link and read. If you still need further info, please drop your mail ID so as to send the Technical papers being published on various national and international journals. The one mentioned below is the recent.
Vethathiri cult have represented them in the Journal of Modern Physics, USA. Its open to the public – free.
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=101344
Journal of Modern Physics is an online scam journal. No one with self-respect publishes in pay-to-publish journals like that. The whole publisher (SCIRP – Scientific Research Publishing) that hosts it is a Chinese (also not US like you say) junk science mill. No one trusts peer review from low grade journals like this. Publishing in places like this is actually something to be ASHAMED OF, not be proud of.
Understanding science is beyond the capacity of anyone in Vethathiri cult.
You seem to be trying to distance yourself from Kannan Jegathala Krishnan. Are you saying you are not connected to “The World Community Service Centre” where he claims he is/was the Principal Scientist (haha).
Vethathiri is a homeopath. That basically sums up his intelligence and the Dunning-Kruger mindset of both him and his blind followers. That this foolish and uneducated man thought he was a philosopher and scientist is joke.
Some more…
Fake chinese products are like this. Nike shoes get faked as Nikke. Same trick here. There is a real publisher called Scientific Reports that people would have heard of. This chinese scam company is trying to confuse people with that by calling themselves scirp.
Here is an article explaining what kind of a junk gets published in that chinese publishing company. This explanation is similar to your silly gravity and space explanation.
Google: ‘Universe is Like Space Ship’ — and the problem with ‘predatory’ science journals
The article, called Universe is Like Space Ship, was published in the American Journal of Engineering Research, which isn’t American at all, and is also dicey on the engineering aspect.
It’s part of Science Research Publishing, or SCIRP, a publisher in China. SCIRP prints what real science journals likely wouldn’t, giving young or under-qualified scientists a chance to publish and boost their careers, for a fee.
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This is the kind of junk our desi scientists pay money to publish in this fake chinese web site, faking to put out american journals. They just register with an american address to fool people.
Authors M. Arulmani and V. R. Hema Latha also say humans came from Mars, including Adam and Eve. They had three chromosomes back then, could fly, became extinct and came back, the authors contend.
It turns out that these Martians were really smart — and today we can learn business techniques from them.
“The human population lived in MARS planet in prehistoric time shall be called as SUPER MANAGERS with super wisdom,” Arulmani and Latha write in another SCIRP journal, called American Journal of Industrial and Business Management.
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Arulmani and Hema Latha are also crazy people who fantasize being astrophyscists. One is an engineer, other is MSc Biology. What does that have anything to do with Astrophysics? They are too ignorant to understand how ignorant they are – Dunning Kruger types, same type as you and everyone else in Vethathiri cult – no education on topics, just big, big egos.
So don’t ever brag about a publication on some china journal even lying about where it is publishing from. You are supposed to be embarrassed about it and hide it.
It looks like all that your fake “scientists” ever published in are fake (predatory) journals.
What are the qualifications of Keith Fitzcharles alias Uma who is writing with Alagar Ramanujam? Let me guess, no science education at all for her? What was her career in US? What jobs did she hold there?
They wrote another one in – International Journal of Trend in Research and Development, which is also a predatory journal.
Put one Myanmar guy in editorial board and call it “International journal”. No wonder Vithoulkas sounds smart for you guys.
The point of a journal publication is peer review. There is none at scirp because the editors are generally quite stupid themselves.
Publishing in scirp journal is such a J-O-K-E that a professor submitted a complete nonsense paper generated by a computer program and they accepted it.
“Math journal accepts computer-generated nonsense paper”
https://boingboing.net/2012/10/19/math-journal-accepts-computer.html
They just wanted money, they didn’t care what was in it.
Google: “Independent, negative, canonically Turing arrows of equations and problems in applied formal PDE”
They only didn’t publish it because the professor refused to pay $500. How much did you guys pay for publication?
Just throw some equations there and bring your credit card and nobody will bother to check what anything means. If anyone publishes in scirp it usually means they are a pseudoscientists because scirp is notorious for fake science.
Kannan is no way connected with my discussion dear. Vethathiri was not a Homeopath. Dr. Alagar has a Doctorate in Relativity and Quantum mechanics. The rest of your comments doesn’t bother me. For Further study check with the references. Anyway you want to end the discussion of every comment in this blog, so go ahead even with this. Thanks
Kannan is connected to the discussion dear.
Nobody knew about your little cult until your “principle scientist” embarrassed the whole country.
Because I heard Kannan’s stupid talk previously was how I easily identified that you are in Vethathiri’s cult, with just one sentence from you, despite your staunch denials.
Vethathiri was a “certified practitioner (of) Homeopathy” as per his profile. He was also “certified” in Ayurveda and Siddha apparently. No discussion about exactly what that certification was. I doubt he did 4 year degrees in any of them. You can buy certificates easily.
You seem to be deep in denials. You still deny that Kannan is not connected to you since he was disgraced by his talk. You denied that Vethathiri was a homeopath. You also denied that you were associated with Vethathiri’s cult at first. So excuse me if I don’t find you honest on your words.
And dear, maybe you didn’t know, but there is a huge difference in quality within PhD. Your Kannan also has a PhD, so do most of the people who post in this Chinese SCIRP. PhD or any other degree by itself does not say much. These days you can buy a fake one online, just like publishing in fake journals. All I need to know about the PhD quality is that the person chooses to publish in junk like SCIRP. You might as well publish on blogspot – not disreputable, no money charged and no fake peer review.
Why don’t you tell me the science qualifications of Keith Fitzcharles alias Uma? Thanks.
google it
Vethathiri (1911 – 2006) just studied 3rd standard. He is known to about 8 crore people across the globe. Kannan may be one among. Again to be frank / honest he is not at all connected with me, to my discussion and the quoted papers. He was a common man’s philosopher, That’s it. He learned medicine on his own interest not for treatment / certification.
We have paid INR 70,000 /- for journal publication to make it viewed by the public. Thank you for your ideas to make a blogspot.
You often use the word fake, fraud, quack, so on…. I request you to check the same before quoting. Cool. I don’t need to prove it. If you are further interested contact the centre.
I don’t need to proceed with this discussion any more, as your idea is just to deny and type as you wish pinning with one. If you could raise any potential technical query, it would be interesting to answer.
Multidisciplinary minds are invited as it is a study of origin, evolution of life.. Even you too. Exclusion and withdrawal depends on experience / knowledge.
Rest Google.
Advance thanks for your interest and support extended throughout the discussion. Rest google.
Of course I know Vethathiri is uneducated boss. His views are uneducated and ill-informed. 3rd class sounds about right. He is neither a philosopher, nor a scientist, like he would like to brag as. He is just a man with foolish beliefs. Unfortunately, people like that become big babas in India like Nityananda.
It is a typical cult. Cults always brag they have special understanding of universe and that they are scientifically true and advanced and they have this or that quack study to prove it. They never are.
Vethathiri didn’t learn medicine. He just claimed to. He said he was certified, not me. Why bother to say if you don’t care? If you say you are certified, people expect to know what that certificate is.
I don’t need to contact the center. I don’t need to hear their weasel word explanations. The lack of basic intelligence is quite obvious from publications.
Kannan declared himself to be the Principal Scientist of WCSC in India’s largest science conference and still puts it on his profile. If it is not true, then WCSC has to issue a statement denying it.
To me, it looks like WCSC was associated with Kannan, but no longer gets along with him and expelled him, and does not want to say it, perhaps because it will draw attention to things they would rather not discuss. Cults never like outside scrutiny.
I do use words like fake, fraud and quack. Homeopathy is quack (Google it). SCIRP is a fake and fraud (Google it). Scientists refer to both as such, although the preferred words are pseudoscience and predatory. I already explained why.
WCSC is just another yoga cult (Google it), it has nothing to do with science and is irrelevant to it. As for your 8 crore following, none of the journalists seemed to know what WCSC was when Kannan did that childish talk. Nityananda also claimed that his new country already has 12 lakh applicants for citizenship. He can’t show 12. This is just crazed baba talk.
I did Google. Your Keith Fitzcharles does not state her credentials. And it looks like Alagar got his “PhD” from some irrelevant college in Jharkhand according to his profile page. If not, he should correct it. The only thing Newton like about him is his hair, not what is underneath. He never produced any quality research in his whole life. You guys just formed an alternate fantasy world and lecture to small rooms of semi-illiterate uncles and aunties who just blankly stare at you and you think you are secret geniuses whom the world will recognize only later. This is quite a common delusion.
You are not “multidisciplinary minds”. It is quite questionable if anyone there has even unidescipline minds. None of you are researchers. What you are doing is not “study”. You just constructed private realities where you are very enlightened people when you are most definitively not.
You paid almost $1000?!! That is expensive by predatory journal standards. $500 seems to be the going rate for them. All top journals are free, in case you didn’t know. There are some paid, non-fake OpenAccess journals but SCIRP isn’t one.
You didn’t pay Rs. 70,000 for publishing. You paid that to avoid critical peer review, a proper peer review is what makes a journal publication respectable. Since you didn’t have one, nobody will care.
I had a sinus issue and after trying allopathy for 15 years, I turned to homeopathy after my relatives recommendation. My sinus was cured within 1.5 years of homeopathic medicines. Placebo or pesudo science, patients do not really care about the theory behind medicines. They want results. I don’t know why placebo didn’t work when I was taking allopathic medicines. Something is not proven, it doesn’t mean that it’s unscientific. Writer has lost it. Do not write such useless biased articles.
Waiting for 1.5 years is basically what regression to mean means.
Doctors typically do a surgery to improve clearance in long cases, not manage with medicines.
Because homeopathy never works in any proper study. Learn why anecdotal evidence has no value.
See 5-reasons-why-anecdotes-are-totally-worthless link below.
“Personal anecdotes are often the primary ammunition of those who deny science. If you ask anyone in the alternative medicine or anti-vaccine movements for their evidence, you will almost certainly get flooded with anecdotes. A quick internet search will reveal countless people who are insisting that totally worthless treatments like homeopathy work because they took them and then felt better. These accounts are often accompanied by emotional stories about how they “tried everything but only [insert nonsense miracle cure] worked.”
And how do we know you are not just a homeopath concocting stories? Any one can claim anything in an anonymous online post. You might just be Prashant Mohan for all we know.
I think he is mongrel of Pharma Companies, if u get any disease which cannot be cured by your doctor, Please contact me Or any good homoeopathic Physican in any part of the world, hope he will change your perception about homoeopathy by giving you lots and lots of Placebo to eat otherwise take any homoeopathy medicine tds and Take it for at least one month , you will get to know what it can do to you.
I never got any money or gifts or employment from any pharma company.
But can you say you are not a mongrel of Boiron and Helios fake pharma who make BILLIONS from selling nothing but tiny amounts of sugar millions of times its cost?
If the world, all of a sudden, shuts down these pharma companies that you love to ignorantly hate, millions will die from infections alone – TB, Leprosy, Tetanus, Rabies, Malaria, Measles, Mumps, Polio, various diarrheas and countless others will sweep the world like they did in the past. Most of you homeopaths would not have even been born in a world without antibiotics and high infant mortality controlled by microbial understanding of disease (not because of your garbage miasma fantasies). Surgeries will be impossible too. Have fun with your dental extraction without anesthesia. And here you are, as thankless fools with no education running your mouth.
If we shutdown Boiron and Helios and all quacks, no one will notice any difference in health of population.
As for your just 1 month, see above post of a homeopathy fan of why 1 month becomes 18 months, or whenever until normal remission
pharma paid troll
Hello, This is to Sandya…the author of this article.
Mam, I don’t feel it’s fair to abruptly deny something which has been in the medical field for decades.
If yu feel it’s just a placebo effect, please let me know how a renal stone which was believed by even top alopathy doctors can be removed ONLY through surgery was broken into pieces n came out naturally only with the homeopathy medicine. Till date,all the alopathy doctors I meet refuse to accept that it’s not there anymore.
If yu feel a field of medicine which is believed by lakhs n lakhs of people all over the world and have cured billions of people is fake…I guess it’s time to give it a thought. Ayurveda was considered a bul**** by Indians before 5 years n now gaining so much popularity as the westerners started raving about it now. We need someone to validate and rave about something to accept it wholeheartedly ?
It is not great to post such a controversy which abruptly says a particular degree itself is waste 🙂
Well, she already answered that with anecdotal evidence. Please read about it.
“If yu feel a field of medicine which is believed by lakhs n lakhs of people all over the world and have cured billions of people is fake…I guess it’s time to give it a thought”
Scientists agree that not even a single person was ever cured by homeopathy, which has no effect on human body, except on beliefs. Against not even 1, you are coolly talking about billions. Do you see the disconnect between your thinking and that of scientists? Scientists know that millions strongly believe in these things. Did you think they didn’t know that? But they also know a hundred things about the way you wrongly believe that you don’t.
Google: Argumentum Ad Populum
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An Argumentum Ad Populum (Latin for “appeal to the people”) is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many or most people believe it, often concisely encapsulated as: “If many believe so, it is so”.
Uses an appeal to the beliefs, tastes, or values of a group of people, stating that because a certain opinion or attitude is held by a majority, it is therefore correct.
I hope you read the above and meditate on it. Truth is never a popularity contest. If it was, why even bother with science? Just take an opinion poll. Cheap. Quick. But we all know how useless they are.
For your opinion to matter, you must first have proper knowledge and you must test with a proper process. If you have no idea what diseases are or how your body works, nobody cares for your opinion. There may be billions of you, but your opinion does not matter without knowledge. Same for personal observations. They must be examined properly, which is what happens in studies. In anecdotes, there is cherry-picking. “Apparent success” is highlighted, failure is buried. That is not honest examination.
“please let me know how a renal stone which was believed by even top alopathy doctors can be removed ONLY through surgery was broken into pieces n came out naturally only with the homeopathy medicine”
Medical opinion is imperfect, usually based on incomplete information. Doctors rarely ever say anything is 100%. Even the top doctors make mistakes in their practice. You are mistaken to think they don’t. You can only get most probable diagnosis. That means in a small fraction, something else happens than what was expected.
If homeopathy works the way you think, pick up 50 impossible cases, with proper randomization, in a study center, enroll 25 of them in a proper treatment group and try your homeo treatments to your heart’s content. Don’t give any treatment to other 25. Define how long you will allow before giving up ahead of time instead of trying forever and putting the patient at risk.
What happens in these kinds of studies is 1 or 2 people in homeo group do pass the stone, even though the doctors thought they were unpassable. But the same also happens in no treatment group as well. 1 or 2 there also pass the stone. If the difference is for example, 5 in treatment and 1 in no treatment, then researchers will suddenly become interested. They will want to try it again to check if that was a fluke or if there is really something going on here. If it keeps happening that way, them homeopathy is declared as a real treatment.
Quacks always tell you stories of how many cases they cured. Every quack has hundreds of stories. Can you even imagine a quack that has no success stories? They never talk about how many they didn’t cure and how many would have gotten cured without treatment. So an average person who does not understand these patterns is easily fooled by these stories.
This was known even in 1842, before people started doing correct studies.
Read this: Homeopathy and Its Kindred Delusions: Two Lectures Delivered Before the Boston Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge (1842) by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr
“It is not great to post such a controversy which abruptly says a particular degree itself is waste”
Only Indians think this is a controversy. We need to be educated and informed. It is completely uncontroversial among all universities and scientists. Everyone knows how crazy it is, just not people like you. Only telling you what you want to believe is not news, it is called pandering to beliefs, which is what most of Indian press does. So kudos to the author for speaking the scientific truth to stubborn people.
All scientists agree that Homeopathy degree is a complete waste and is harmful. It is just like giving a degree in black magic or palmistry or “gem healing”.
Many have written about it. Here is Financial Times article – “Is a degree in homeopathy a sick joke?”
No top line university ever gives a degree in homeopathy. If any misinformed non-scientist administrator of a university accidentally considers that scientists contact and immediately let them know how stupid the idea is.
India is the only crazy country which manufactures degrees in Homeopathy. No scientific country does (which India is not, it is very backwards in science).
It is actually considered very embarrassing for India to still believe in things like Homeopathy and Cow dung, urine medicines. Nobody believes any of our research or that we know any original science because we still keep living in 1796.
“Ayurveda was considered a bul**** by Indians before 5 years n now gaining so much popularity as the westerners started raving about it now.”
No western scientists (actually scientists in general, scientists don’t think of themselves as western or eastern) are raving about it. Some low-educated quack following westerners maybe. The scientists are not the least interested in it.
Don’t agree? OK, show me. Which western universities are doing this raving? Where are you getting your news from? Facebook?
I can tell you one group of people who completely hated ancient medicine and now are completely fine with it.
That’s Homeopaths.
The word Allopathy was originally created to criticize ancient medicine as cure worse than the disease. Homeopaths wanted to be scientific.
But now you won’t find even one Homeopath who remembers that. They think Allopathy is about scientific medicine.
But because it has now been proved that nothing about Homeopathy is actually scientific, they now hate science instead.
There are 2 possible scenarios:
1.) Science has not caught up with you when it considers homeo is completely implausible. Chemists are missing something when they call it absurd. Cell Biologists are being unreasonable when they tell you that there is no special “vital energy”. Microbiologists are wrong to focus on bacteria and viruses, instead of miasma, whatever it is. Physicists don’t know what they are talking about when they dismiss succusions. All the scientists in the world are wrong when they consider it a pseudoscience. All the world’s government with all their multi-year scientific reports have made a mistake. Wikipedia is wrong in calling you a pseudo-scientific system of alternative medicine. All major journalists and newspaper are wrong. All medical companies are evil. All doctors are greedy. Psychologists invented placebo effect, posthoc effect and regression to mean, just to trick you. Researchers invented double blind trials only to prevent homeopathy from rising. Everyone is conspiring against homeo. The group of medical entrance failures who scored badly in botany, zoology, physics and chemistry and those who only read 1796 organon and nothing else are the wisest people on the planet who know the real truth. Only you know what is a science and pseudoscience.
2.) You guys are idiots who have no concept of a molecule, cell, receptor, binding sites or research concepts but want to act like doctors (because you like money). Even in 2020, you have not mentally grown beyond 1796 beliefs of vital energies. The whole science is a mystery to you, even kid science. You are so foolish that you think Allopathy was all against scientific medicine, not ancient herbal medicine. You don’t even know the history of your own homeopathy. Not a single homeopath ever did any useful research. You can’t prove even your best (what is it anyway?) “remedy” against a placebo but will delusionally talk about how the whole system is superior.
Which do you think is more likely?
Why is this Idiot CHAY replying to every comment made in favour of homeopathy, what are his intentions? Is he been hired by some company to criticize, all plz think on this
He’s more dangerous than allopathy medicine side effects! 🙂
Only real medicines can have effects and side effects, not imaginary medicines with nothing in them.
You need actual molecules for that, not just magic energy beliefs.
Arguing that homeopathy has no side effects is like saying that you never had an accident with your unicorn, so its better than a car.
Look what I said he proved it himself , no more facts required to prove my earlier statement
When did a homeopath ever need any facts? Homeopathy is a fact-free system just as it is a molecule-free system and a common sense-free system.
Do I answer all misinformation here? Yes, because there isn’t anyone else. What does that have to do with your fantasy company conspiracies?
As a homeopath, you have no concept of people having genuine respect for science and disgust for quacks and pseudoscience. For a homeopath, all motivation is only about money, money, money.
It is because there aren’t enough people who have a passion for science and truth, you quacks have been running from pillar to post so far in our society, defrauding people.
Homeopaths desperately pretend to never understand science and pretend to sleep against all scientific arguments. But to explain for homeo-fooled people who still don’t get why you need to to clinical trials when you have so many stories, anecdotes and testimonies, it is because of how the mind works. When people are given anything – pill, potion or procedure, about a third automatically think it is doing something. You may think you are above this, no you are not.
People think wearing gem stones heals or protects. Give them plastic or glass beads and tell them they are rare healing gems, they will still say they are healing too.
They think pranic healing, reiki and other nutty hand movements are working. Bring an actor, they will agree at same level.
They think acupuncture works, even when poked in completely random places.
People are easy to trick, but scientists know these tricks and delusions well and have studied them a lot. The modern clinical trial is designed to circumvent all these tricks and needs to be done in a way that no one knows until the very end, who is getting the treatment vs sham treatment or placebo. This is done with individualized treatments too. When homeopaths mostly do uncontrolled trials, it seems to work but no good journal usually publishes these because educated people know how useless these are. So they just publish in their quack journals which no scientist bothers with. When good trials are done, they always come up negative.
Homeopaths say they are all about detailed interview (the interview questions are very stupid to anyone who knows physiology and psychology). But then they go and say it is all OK to never do any of that for animals, because hey, there is money to be made here and nobody is making animals talk.
They claim it still works without the interview and they argue, well the animal does not know, how can it imagine cure? But the homeopath sure can when writing down the result. This is why in proper trials, the doctors and even attendants are not told either. This is what is meant by double blinding. The person conducting the study typically wants to see a positive effect and therefore cannot be trusted. The assignments to treatment vs. placebo are sealed in advance. Many modern drugs also don’t pass this test and are rejected. When trials are done this way, the homeo veterinary trials come up with the same negative result. And here, homeopaths can’t even complain about not having a chance to individualize since the animals aren’t telling you about dreams, feelings etc anyway.
You can look all this up. This is all basic science approach used in every subject, not just medical research. None of it my own opinion.
Now the quacks like Ulhas Triratne would like an excuse for not knowing science. He says they are just “physicians” (no, you guys just are quacks, you are so far removed from being educated, let alone physicians), not scientists. You don’t need to have a lot of research experience to become a doctor, but today in 2020, if you don’t even know basic physics, chemistry and research method, you are just an uneducated fool. If you don’t understand research methodology and go around spewing conspiracy theories, you certainly should not have a “Dr.” title. If I have to teach all these homeopaths what any college degree person should know, they are little more than a tribal guy selling magic charms (not even the tribal guy selling herbs). At least that guy is not delusional enough to be calling himself a doctor.
Self-taught homeopaths are extra crazy, but BMHS graduates (your doctor title is also a joke), you studied a little bit of physiology and biochemistry, enough to know everything in Organon is a stupid delusion. I don’t know how you lie to yourself everyday that you are “doctors”. You only have a license to give the same exact sugar pills to everyone. One pill is the same as any other.
A dog will always bark… Let it be..
Only Mr Chay… Will bark here…
Wat if we say science is a failure to prove homoeopathy… as we knows sceince based on experiment and random trials..
Wat if… Science is still lagging behind to prove..
My dear Chay there is lot of things in this world were science still to prove lots…
Have ur time oneday your grandson will know how homoeopathy will work… Hhhaaahha.
Foolish homeopath, go back to school and learn the difference between
Science proved that homeopathy is a failure vs. “science is a failure to prove homoeopathy”
Randomized trials that scientists do vs “random trials”, which is what foolish homeopaths do.
It is quite clear who is doing all the barking. See my post to the quack ulhas below to see a short list of your barks from just Day 1.
As for your grandson fantasy, there is a nice video of how it would look like if Homeopathy and a few other quackeries, were considered real by the world.
Look on Youtube.
That Mitchell and Webb Look: Homeopathic A&E
Homeopathy reads like a Witchcraft Manual.
Luna – Water or lactose put in moonlight for 4 hours (and then of course diluted like mad).
For Homeo believers, “moon rays”, which are just reflected sun rays, have special medical properties.
At least they don’t think you will become a werewolf or something due to moonlight.
Moon-Sponge treatment
Cut slices of sponge of the size of a finger.
Grill them at a candle flame till they are brittle at the center but sill elastic at the borders.
Triturate the whole and put 7 or 8 grams into half a litre of rain-water or river-water.
The bottling must be done three days before the new moon.
Close the bottle and put it in a cellar, shake once a day.
Three days before the full moon the patient commences to take a tablespoonful night and morning.
The greater part of the bottle will be finished during the waning moon.
A homeo brain will not worry about the chemical structure of water or of lactose, what moon light is, what sun light really is. They just put something in their mouth, fantasize some random feelings and call it “science” and never question it again.
What does it matter anyway, it is all going to be diluted to just water in the end.
I don’t understand why people are talking to such a fool, named himself ‘Chay’. There are so many mad fellows like him, whom we should not even need to talk. Let them bark, we have to keep walking our way. We homeopaths are giving results, people are getting cured everyday, so they are believing. There is science in everything which is around us. If homeopathy is giving results, there is science. If scientists are not able to find out what is mode of action of homeopathic medicines, then they have to work more on it, govt should allot more funds for research. We are not interested in how it works (it is the work for scientists) , but how can we treat incurable diseases with homeopathy.
Mind it, we are not advocates, scientists but we are homeopathic physicians..
The author wrote a completely factual article that was extensively referenced and contained no opinion of her own. All scientists agree with the viewpoints expressed in the article. So do any not-foolish governments (ours not included) and all major news papers. Everyone agrees that homeopathy is a perfect instance of quackery and pseudoscience.
What was the response of homeopaths – insults and personal attacks. You tried to mob the article, because in India few understand science, and you tried to take advantage of that.
Let’s review some of the attacks from the beginning.
“half knowledge”, “zero experience”, “better don’t talk or comment”, “most nonsense post by the most idiots”, “These idiots saves swines”, “filthy motive”, “instantly enormous profit”, “Nonsense post”, “all game of big-pharma companies”, “so flawed and unintelligent”, “self – mockery”, “pharma mafia”, “most fraudulent new source of this time”, “Stop posting this type of non sense”, “business of fear”, “they need to be educated”, “first understand Science”, “Very disgusting and propagenda type post”, “think so.one sidedly”, “post proves that world is dominated by propagandists”, “blind and dangerous opponent of Modi government”.
These are not responses addressed to me. This was only some of the filth and nonsense thrown at the article author in the FIRST DAY ALONE. The author did not defend herself and was outnumbered by your mob. Now I enter, many days later and start addressing the nonsense, post by post, because they are lies, propaganda, baseless attacks and delusions. I address it with science.
Now you cry that I am posting too much. Well, I would need to post if you guys weren’t attempting to dominate by posting lies and anectodatal thinking over and over again. Someone needs to speak the truth. If no one will, I will.
Now you know you cannot answer back to my references, you say you are not “advocates”. No you quack, you guys are much worse. You are a low grade mob. I was being way too polite by calling you frauds a “Homeo Lobby”.
Homeopaths: We are not scientists. We should not be expected to know science. We just know how to write fake theses that only look and sound like science, like “Homoeopathic treatment of osteoarthritis with constitutional medicine” and use “Dr.” title.
Now hold our alcohol, I mean…. mother tincture, while we declare that scientific medicine is bad for you and you should try our sugar pills instead. Don’t try scientific vaccines for your pandemics, they are baaaad for you. Try our “nosodes” instead.
“There is science in everything which is around us.”
Yes, except there is nothing but sugar in a homeo sugar pill.
“If homeopathy is giving results, there is science.”
Except that homeopathy is not giving results in any proper study. So there is no science in homeopathy.
I can also get myself made-up quack PG degrees in crystal healing from a quack gang.
Just how stupid is homeopathy?
1. Point telescope at Black Hole (in space).
2. Place alcohol before eye-piece.
3. Dilute it like maniacs.
4. Write some delusions as “Proving”
5. Sell as medicine for Profit!!!!
Dear All,
It was not easy to cover the whole discussion.
But, after reading a major part….
1.Someone is arguing for science and research as if thats the only solution ti the mankind.
2.Research is funded by MNCs so the medicine is a commodity, its well known, and you don’t have to die for it.
3. All herbal or natural as they say, medicine is having an effect on human irrespective of the solid research papers. The so called sugar water and salt pills had made a huge impact on generations in India and still doing the same.
4. It may be a placebo or genuine, its showing the results anyway.
5.Ayurveda is an Indian tradition and a real massage will take you to another level where a modern medicine is yet to find a way.
5. Take a tour on the quality of scientific research publications in India and their simple waste of time and energy, probably you may understand how a simple village mbbs old dude is still treating the poor patients.
6. Its not the science.. its the way you handle a patient.. sir.
Here is a far better summary in one line: Homeopathy is a tax on idiots who don’t really need any medicine but won’t listen.
Unlike quack medicine, government closely monitors medical research. Company cannot say whatever it wants. It is forced to list every possible side effect in every advertisement. It is expected to report every problem after release. Every care is taken to make medicines as safe as possible because these are real medicines, not fake sugar scam pills. It takes 2600 crore rupees of research cost and 12 years of testing to develop an average medicine while idiot homeopath says, I proved a new one yesterday afternoon because I say so, I will charge almost the same for not even 1 paisa of sugar now.
Of course people should think scientifically and not think like idiots. Some confused guy wrote some silly book more than 200 years ago, let’s make a religion about it.. is not an intelligent way to do things. Denying basic facts about chemistry and cell biology taught at school level to protect disproved beliefs is being stupid.
Do you know what the only thing that Samuel Hahnemann was right about? It was that traditional medicine was dangerous. It was more harm than good. Ayurveda and all your AYUSH quack medicine is included in that category. He spent all his time criticizing traditional and herbal medicine. He called it Allopathy. He said only medicine with studies is real medicine. So far so good. But problem was he was only good for recognizing a problem but had no solution. His solution was just as stupid.
I say again, WHEN HAHNEMANN WAS CRITICIZING ALLOPATHY, HE MEANT TRADITIONAL HERBAL MEDICINE LIKE AYURVEDA and UNANI, NOT SCIENCE BASED MEDICINE. HE BELIEVED IN DOING THINGS ONLY SCIENTIFICALLY.
Now homeopaths are low IQ idiots. They took that word allopathy and made it against medicine based on studies and made the medicine he hated with absolute passion, a great thing. Do you know how stupid you need to be to reverse everything so completely?
You have the same confusion about placebo as everyone. Placebos don’t cure with some mysterious placebo effect. Placebos make you think that when disease ended for natural reasons, the placebo was what made it go away. You only think placebo worked due to “regression to mean” and “post-hoc ergo propter hoc”. Not enough IQ to understand any of the logic articles I posted? Didn’t even read the article above?
Solution to not enough doctors and bad doctors is not more of even worse idiot quacks.
A real doctor can treat the patient just as nicely and many do. In India, doctors rush through patients because there aren’t enough of them. But niceness never cures the disease. When your foot is infected, it is only the antibiotic that will save you, not kind words, not massage. Polio drops will prevent polio, not tulsi, turmeric or fake salt water.
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Homeopath. noun. A person who is too stupid to understand the concept of a molecule but wants to be a doctor.
Homeopath. noun. A person who is too stupid to understand the concept of a molecule but wants to be a doctor.
Best results coming from Kerela,MP, UP & many other states where it has been started , critical patients are cured by 50 to 80% in 24 hrs , it’s not my news it’s a national tv news from Agra hospital where same no
of patients were given homeopathy and others with other mode of treatment .Homeopathy patients recovered by 50 to 80% in 24 hrs .that’s the power of homeopathy.
Hahahahaha.
There is exactly 100% chance that this is fake news.
And you know it, which is why you have provided no reference.
If this turns out true, I will never post here again.
If you can’t prove it, let’s all accept that homeopaths are stupid liars spreading fake news.
To be called a proof, it has to be accepted by scientists, not an unnamed TV channel.
After giving permission to use homoe preventive medicine in Kerala for Covid-19 reports of cases have been reduced, by flattening the curve speedly.I don’t know whether these things have any connection. Anyhow it is a fact.I heard that on the request of Mumbai police Covid-19 preventive medicines have been send by homoepathics of Kerala to Mumbai Police. For years I have approached homoe doctors for many ailments of mine and family,I believe that homoe medicines helps me to control medical expenses.
We should all give credit to homoe doctors.
But let’s not forget the contributions of hetero doctors.
Coronavirus | Man from Ambur arrested for claiming to have a homeopathic cure
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/coronavirus-man-from-ambur-arrested-for-claiming-to-have-a-homeopathic-cure/article31551494.ece
In the message, the accused claimed that a practitioner from Ranipet demonstrated the cure to officials and that it will be distributed in Ambur.
Ambur Taluk police arrested Rafeeque, 35, of Ambur, for posting messages about a cure for COVID-19 in the name of a homeopathy practitioner from Melvisharam in Ranipet district.
In the message, the accused claimed that the homeopathy practitioner Mohamed Adnan developed a medicinal cure for the novel coronavirus and this was demonstrated to Tirupattur Superintendent of Police P. Vijaykumar and health officials of Ambur. The medicine would be distributed with the approval of the Jamaat in Ambur, the message claimed.
Based on a complaint from Ambur village administrative officer, the police conducted an inquiry and arrested Rafeeque on Sunday. Mohammed Adnan was still at large, they said. Investigations are on.
Homoeopathy definitely works. We have given arsenic album 30 for 3 days followed by influenzinum 200 for the next 3 days for corona prevention. They are effective.
Person 1 – Why are you wearing that silly hat?
Person 2 – It is a magic hat. It keeps lions away.
Person 1 – There are no lions in our city.
Person 2 – Obviously. The hat is working.
“When nuclear power was discovered, homeopaths claimed that it explains homeopathy; when quantum physics came to the fore, they believed to have found the mechanism of action; when nanoparticles became fashionable, they said these were the clue. In truth, the mode of action of highly diluted homeopathic remedies is not just unexplained, but science can explain that no plausible mechanism can exist.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ending-the-homeopathy-delusion-a6733926.html
“Homeopaths nevertheless love to argue that the proof of the pudding is in the eating: homeopathy works because many patients experience benefit from it. Today about 300 clinical studies testing homeopathy have been published. The totality of this evidence fails to confirm that homeopathy works better than a placebo”
“only cherry-picked, homeopathy-sponsored evaluations arrive at different conclusions”
h) are truth seekers who are not biased and not blinded by profit making .
i) believe that truth is greater than what is not proved in lab
j) know that science is greater than “scientific community “which is biased and profit oriented
k) are not afraid of being called a fool by a group of people who have deliberately kept their eyes and ears closed because they know they are on right track.
h.) Truth haters who deny all science in every subject, purely blinded by profiteering from selling sugar at medicine costs.
i.) Pseudoscience belief, not science. Keep pushing same faulty experiments as great proof even after they have been fully debunked. Completely failed to prove even a single sentence from their system in 200 years. Pretend that it is just lab science when clinical trials in real patients also show it is just a placebo in every single case.
j.) Anti-science. Vaccine haters. Dangerous to public health especially in times of epidemics. Keep claiming that all scientists are conspiring against us because they keep mentioning facts and asking for proof that is not anecdotal and repeatable – the cornerstone of science. Close their eyes and ears to science because they make too much money from scamming with sugar and cannot go back to any honest profession. Pure greed and dishonesty.
k.) Foolish people who could not learn enough physics, chemistry and biology to get into medical college. For them, as long as the money keeps coming from scammed public, they are on the right track.