A day before Mirage 2000 crash in Bengaluru, IAF chief B.S. Dhanoa had hit out at HAL for blaming it for delays. Former officers agree with chief’s assessment.
The SIPRI report comes as a shot in the arm for HAL, which lost out in the Rafale deal after Dassault Aviation chose Reliance Defence as its offset partner.
MoSPI proposes to remove closed factories from IIP sample, aiming for truer picture of India’s industrial health in upcoming 2022–23 base series. Plan open to public feedback until 25 November.
Bihar is blessed with a land more fertile for revolutions than any in India. Why has it fallen so far behind then? Constant obsession with politics is at the root of its destruction.
HAL,OFB,and all PSUs drain money and deliver trash. Nation, media common tax payers font bother, currupt IAS,IPS officers decide what Army Navy or Air warriors need,The user is silenced and kickbacks bribes bad quality equipment given to triservice who fie more due to equipment under performance in battles. Time to kick the butt of currupt, incompetent bureaucracy PSUs and neta nexus.
People here comment so many things even not knowing slightest. Firstly such being the case HAL also employed retd IAF and other defence services personnels , also in the top management . Some of its previous and current top bosses come from IAF only. And further there are so many watching eyes put by customer (other than HAL’s own quality control) for any stage clearance of any part manufactured, that only blaming HAL is just their ignorance of correct situation. Decision making is slow because there are so many guidelines it has to follow being a government organisation. Yes it needs competetion to get better and there are lot of scopes where it has to improve, but people have to be made aware that IAF also is really poor in aircraft maintenance and delays so many decisions. And think about it, which private company would appreciate IAF holding around 10000 Crs of payments just because they don’t have budget.
I just want to quote Air Chief Marshal Krishnaswamy and say that HAL is a strategic asset… IAF needs to also understand it’s symbiotic role and complicity in every aspect of HAL’s work or its ability to deliver projects and products on time.
As regards the LCA, the ASQRs are top level requirements. Second and lower order requirements for the aircraft have been constantly changing…so is the IAF chief right in his assertion?!
Companies such as HAL, Mazagon dockyard, Ordnance factory should not be the sole producers of defence equipments. Instead private counterparts should also be encouraged to produce defence equipments but there should be proper quality check done by govt. officials like directorate general of aeronautical quality assurance (DAQAS). Also technology transfer should be done from developed countries like Russia, US, Korea, Japan, Canada etc
Here lies the secret how the executives working in quality control departments get fast track quicker out of the system promotions when the executives toiling in other supporting departments are deprived of their rights.
I agree with the argument that there should be no blame game.However, at the same time one has to realise that there is no use eulogising achievements of 1970s and 1980s. Times have changed, so are the requirements and expectations. We are now in the era of fifth generation fighter planes and western powers and China are already thinking in terms of sixth generation. The Indira Gandhi era confining everything to the public sector is dead. The mindset has to change. Private sector defence industry is in a nascent stage, but is fast picking up and will pose competition. Can HAL, by virtue of being in the public sector, have monopoly rights on everything including offset largesse? Rahul Gandhi is wrong in crying foul if an ADAG company gets 3% share in offset contracts of Rs.30000 crore. Indian Defence manufacturing sector has to open up and HAL has to face competition and be a cost-efficient, lean and trim organisation.
HAL work culture is slowly changing after this government took charge people will see HAL will come out of the mess will deliver the required aircraft in record time it’s just a matter of time before any adverse comment
We are sad and saddened by these missing lives. We understand the reaction of the airmen. But this questioning of HAL, founded or not, falls badly. In a context polluted by the Rafales affair, this position of the airmen must be nuanced. Finally, it is not only HAL that must be criticized – what is the amount of the claims not paid by the state to HAL? – it is the entire military, industrial, and administrative organization that is involved . And lastly, the men and women who shaped the defense of the country, fearing the military.
HAL acquaintance told me that senior staff just warm their chairs and go home. Another defence psu employee laughed at our products and their quality which is some 30 years behind Western counterparts. Itchy socialist governments should stay away defence industries and rather produce cowdung cakes instead
In high technology areas, experts who may not be citizens of India should also be given a chance to work in India. America is today great because it gives opportunities to foreigners to work. Collaboration with Canadian and South Korean companies will be highly beneficial.
I am not a fan of an RM who visits Siachen thirty times to be with the troops. The entire PSU ecosystem – HAL, Mazagon Dockyards, DRDO, BEL, etc – needs to come up fully to the needs and expectations of the services. The system of defence procurement, including large purchases from foreign suppliers, needs to be streamlined, become functional, much faster, reasonably clean. It takes so long to finalise the rifle a jawan will use. This and continuously improving welfare measures – within budgetary constraints – for serving and retired personnel. That includes drastically reducing the litigation they must sometimes face to get their legitimate dues.
HAL,OFB,and all PSUs drain money and deliver trash. Nation, media common tax payers font bother, currupt IAS,IPS officers decide what Army Navy or Air warriors need,The user is silenced and kickbacks bribes bad quality equipment given to triservice who fie more due to equipment under performance in battles. Time to kick the butt of currupt, incompetent bureaucracy PSUs and neta nexus.
privatize.
or
divest.
People here comment so many things even not knowing slightest. Firstly such being the case HAL also employed retd IAF and other defence services personnels , also in the top management . Some of its previous and current top bosses come from IAF only. And further there are so many watching eyes put by customer (other than HAL’s own quality control) for any stage clearance of any part manufactured, that only blaming HAL is just their ignorance of correct situation. Decision making is slow because there are so many guidelines it has to follow being a government organisation. Yes it needs competetion to get better and there are lot of scopes where it has to improve, but people have to be made aware that IAF also is really poor in aircraft maintenance and delays so many decisions. And think about it, which private company would appreciate IAF holding around 10000 Crs of payments just because they don’t have budget.
I just want to quote Air Chief Marshal Krishnaswamy and say that HAL is a strategic asset… IAF needs to also understand it’s symbiotic role and complicity in every aspect of HAL’s work or its ability to deliver projects and products on time.
As regards the LCA, the ASQRs are top level requirements. Second and lower order requirements for the aircraft have been constantly changing…so is the IAF chief right in his assertion?!
Companies such as HAL, Mazagon dockyard, Ordnance factory should not be the sole producers of defence equipments. Instead private counterparts should also be encouraged to produce defence equipments but there should be proper quality check done by govt. officials like directorate general of aeronautical quality assurance (DAQAS). Also technology transfer should be done from developed countries like Russia, US, Korea, Japan, Canada etc
Here lies the secret how the executives working in quality control departments get fast track quicker out of the system promotions when the executives toiling in other supporting departments are deprived of their rights.
I agree with the argument that there should be no blame game.However, at the same time one has to realise that there is no use eulogising achievements of 1970s and 1980s. Times have changed, so are the requirements and expectations. We are now in the era of fifth generation fighter planes and western powers and China are already thinking in terms of sixth generation. The Indira Gandhi era confining everything to the public sector is dead. The mindset has to change. Private sector defence industry is in a nascent stage, but is fast picking up and will pose competition. Can HAL, by virtue of being in the public sector, have monopoly rights on everything including offset largesse? Rahul Gandhi is wrong in crying foul if an ADAG company gets 3% share in offset contracts of Rs.30000 crore. Indian Defence manufacturing sector has to open up and HAL has to face competition and be a cost-efficient, lean and trim organisation.
Can someone do what Titan did to HMT watches, to HAL? Tatas never knew how to make watches. Ambanis…are you listening?
HAL work culture is slowly changing after this government took charge people will see HAL will come out of the mess will deliver the required aircraft in record time it’s just a matter of time before any adverse comment
We are sad and saddened by these missing lives. We understand the reaction of the airmen. But this questioning of HAL, founded or not, falls badly. In a context polluted by the Rafales affair, this position of the airmen must be nuanced. Finally, it is not only HAL that must be criticized – what is the amount of the claims not paid by the state to HAL? – it is the entire military, industrial, and administrative organization that is involved . And lastly, the men and women who shaped the defense of the country, fearing the military.
HAL acquaintance told me that senior staff just warm their chairs and go home. Another defence psu employee laughed at our products and their quality which is some 30 years behind Western counterparts. Itchy socialist governments should stay away defence industries and rather produce cowdung cakes instead
In high technology areas, experts who may not be citizens of India should also be given a chance to work in India. America is today great because it gives opportunities to foreigners to work. Collaboration with Canadian and South Korean companies will be highly beneficial.
I am not a fan of an RM who visits Siachen thirty times to be with the troops. The entire PSU ecosystem – HAL, Mazagon Dockyards, DRDO, BEL, etc – needs to come up fully to the needs and expectations of the services. The system of defence procurement, including large purchases from foreign suppliers, needs to be streamlined, become functional, much faster, reasonably clean. It takes so long to finalise the rifle a jawan will use. This and continuously improving welfare measures – within budgetary constraints – for serving and retired personnel. That includes drastically reducing the litigation they must sometimes face to get their legitimate dues.