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Completely idiotic article. Every person of Gujarat agrees that Gujarati was not entirely derived from Sanskrit. Even the Gujarati School Textbooks also clarifies that Gujarati language has many words from Farsi, Urdu, English and Marathi. This article tries to create an argument from nothing.Being a Gujarati, I have never heard another Gujarati claiming that Gujarati was only created from Sanskrit. Also the line “The Muslim population of Gujarat is imagined as relying solely on Urdu, and seen as not belonging to Gujarat (or India) because of the myth of all Muslims having arrived in the sub-continent as ‘invaders’ ” is also misleading. Almost all Gujarati muslims such as Dawoodi Bohra, Kathiwari Memons etc. speak fluent Gujarati and nobody demeans them as foreigners .
From personal experience I know that if you ask a Gujarati muslim about his identity , then he calls himself Muslim and not Gujarati. So we might want to normalize but the ground facts are different.
You are a gutkhakhor,aka jobstealer.why you are interested in non Hindi language lifestyle.no gujarati will ever a bihari,may god forgive you for your urdu Ashraf hates you.
This is a stupid article writing without understanding the evolution of Gujarati language. Gujarati has never been Sanskritized. In fact the first Gujarati literature Vasant Vilas which is a Fagu Kavya has its roots in Prakrit. Thereafter Gujarati was enriched by many words from different languages of the world, the reason being the entrepreneurial skills of Gujaratis. The Gujarati community has never been conservative as far a language is concerned and that’s why even today there are numerous words of various languages in Gujarati. Just check the Gujarati newspaper MILLAT which is published in Pakistan even today. The Gujarati language used in this newspaper is 90 percent equivalent to the Gujarati spoken and written in Gujarat. What you are mentioning is absurd and without any factual base.
And yes the process of Standardization of a language has to be adopted. It has been done everywhere in the world. Just see the difference between the English used in cantabary tales and today’s English. Standardization of a language is a comprehensive process and many factors are considered in this process, the most important being popularity of words. Gujaratis use the word NATAL for Christmas which is a Portuguese word. Had Gujarati been Sanskritized we would have been using Isu Jayanti. And when the people of Gujarat have no problem with their language why do you poke your nose? I would just like to say SHUT UP
Yeah.. talk about Sanskritisation of a language and don’t talk about the prior islamisation of the same language before invasions!
This article is a classic example of hypocrisy.
Yes a language cannot grow without using words from other languages (loaner words) but only for those things which it doesn’t already have a word.
You are a white supremacists,what’s your business in india huh,your ancestors murdered and jailed gujaratis.so get the hell out of here
Author is trying to create issue out of non-issue, and seems to be motivated. As usual, politicans are in habit of doing their business with capital from other peoples pocket. And they do it without consent of real capital owner and without promise of any positive returns to capital owner. The author is doing exactly that – either purportedly or is at least deluded.
Language evolves with assimilation of volcabulary / new words from other languages. Similarly, influence of other langaugages can have negative / deterioratary influence. For example, if a redundant word is borrowed from other language (as, in case, that the native language has word to represent the particular idea, still we borrow from other language) , it would probably skew the meaning of foreign or native or both words. we see it happening. for example – indians use word “glass” for “tumbler”, which is completely nonsense. It makes sense to stop prevalent use of word “glass”.
If word are used from other languages thoughfully, everybody will love it. for that reason It must happen through central authority. There is no reason to criticise that.
There is no pure language… The paragraph “Sanskritisation, in search of ‘pure’ Gujarati” is complete bakwaas. No doubt politics play an important role, but majority population plays a bigger role and there is no politics there. If 100% know Gujarati and 10% write it differently, the written text of 90% will become mainstream.
People who migrated to Africa way before even Gandhi went there, speak a Gujarati which would be very tough for the current people of Gujarat to decipher. So languages evolve. There will be hundreds of words in today’s Gujarati that has Persian influence. Also I am sure many of these words were used even before Mughals invaded, because Gujarati Community was involved in trade since long.
When we discuss about the language,we need to eliminate other aberrations. As we evolve,move,mature,we should be able to appreciate the beauty and influence of historians,in promulgating literature,arts,in their Durbar. That is the case,when wise ib the undivided India learnt Persia to apprise the Mughals of the ancient wisdom of Neeti,codes,culture,customs,hidden in our life.And the patronisers were interested in understanding our culture,in depth,and they first wanted to understand the language first. It widened our aptitude to learn more languages,underlying theme and core values,connecting through the dots of common areas for comparson. In Japanese which had several Chinese Kanji,pictorial writing has three meanings,kun, their writing Hiragana for native words,Katakana for borrowed words,and Kanji for pictorial root expression. Many Buddhist scholars travelled from China,Mongolia,Japan,Sinhalam in their quest for understanding the religion in its place of origin,from seers,and wise and were influenced by the thematic representations of sastras. In Japanese,each day is associated with prakriti, like Sub,Moon,Fire,Sea,Tree,Wealth,Earth etc..Like we connect them to Grahas..The Chinese link each Lunar year to mythogical animals,representing the trends in capsule. I learnt Gujarathi, the sweetest melodious,simple soft spoken languages only to understand my brothers,sisters there better as many of them spoke only Gujarathi and their love and hospitality urged me to reach out to them..The wise sastras wete translated into Persia,by our own scholars at the behest of those Governing rulers,later they got it translated into Arabic and European languages. British also encouraged its officers to learn Sanskrit to understand the tenets written in various sastras, for a better understanding and not superficial hear say and fragmented meaning. If you imagine that your language is the river connecting all others,you will fibd every lotus,sprouting out from this base river,emits love,purity,fragrance,beauty,connectedness to Solar system Appreciate,enjoy,evolve
No matter what a Samskrit or Arabic or Persian lover will wish, development of a language follows its own course.
Study it, enjoy it. What’s the point in duelling with each other?
In past or current time, no one lagugae use other languages words.It is continuous process of change the world and word. I think author should study and reaserch well in advance before writing this article, whether she student or scholar of doctorate.
ગુજરાત ની ગુજરાતી ભાષા ગુજરાતી એક અનન્ય ભાષા છે , હતી અને રહેવાની, કુતર્ક નો કોઈ જવાબ ન અપાય એક સજ્જન સામાન્ય જ્ઞાન દાખવતા હું અભિવ્યક્ત કરી રહ્યો છું.
ઉપરાંત,
ભાષા હંમેશા વિકાસશીલ હોય તો જ સમય ના પરિમાણ માં પોતાનું અનન્ય ગૌરવશાળી પદ જાળવી શકશે.
જય જય ગરવી ગુજરાતની ગુજરાતી ભાષા.
Who on earth ever claimed that Gujarati was the daughter of Sanskrit and was solely influenced by Sanskrit?
No language on earth can claim to be influenced by or have been derived from only one single language. And no Indian academic/scholar has ever made any such claim.
Yes, it is an inescapable truth that a huge majority of modern Indian languages have been derived from Sanskrit and therefore are heavily influenced by it. However, it is nobody’s case that Sanskrit was the only language whih shaped and guided these new languages of the masses.
Even Sanskrit itself has underwent many changes over the centuries by coming in contact with other languages. The Sanskrit of 1000BC and the Sanskrit of 2000AD are worlds apart in structure and grammar. Any scholar of Sanskrit will attest to this fact. The image of Sanskrit as a rigid and ossified language is one which is very deliberately peddled by scholars belonging to the liberal/secular cabal as it beautifully serves their own agenda.
This article seems to have been written with the intention of proving one’s loyalty to the “cause” of liberalism/secularism. And as is the norm, it features very prominently the vilification/denigration of Sanskrit and the upper caste Hindus. What better way to prove your secular credentials?
Bullshit article. Everybody if they add a tag research Schiller means upper caste lower caste divide. One should go and read what the British crook Thomas Bagington Macaulay said more than 150 years ago in Hindu systems and Sanskrit. His letters are still available.
@ashok
Our ancestors were not enslaved and paying Jizya tax as much as your ancestors did. Heavily perisanized and Arabized language sounds foreign to us. South Indians may understand Shudh Hindi better.
We prefer Sanskritized Hindi since we recognize many words and understand better. Your loyalty to your Muslim masters is more important to you than your fellow citizens understanding a Prime Minister or an announcement? So you got a problem with that?
Hehe!
What xenophobic gobbledegook! “Your loyalty to your Muslim masters”!!
If you were truly South Indian, and knew a bit about languages and linguistics, you’d know that your “better recognition” of Hindi words is due more to your communal mind than to the relative distances among languages.
Even if you choose to stay underneath your provincial rock, you’d do a favor to yourself to take a class in comparative languages to be able to succeed in the modern world.
Idiot/ hypocrite:
What is “really South Indian”.
Lot more Sanskrit words are in South Indian languages. It is 100% truth. Actually all Indian languages. Sanskritic Hindi is more intelligible to Indians who are not native Hindu speakers.
You are an arrogant jerk.
Hindi speakers. Typo.
Language expert Reign Forest
You got a problem with the statement more Sanskrit words than Arabic and Persian words are present in all Indian languages?what kind of language expert are you!
We should be a proud, self confident nation, acknowledge the many chapters to our history. One of the statesmanlike decisions of PM Nehru was to stay in the Commonwealth, develop cordial relations with Britain. It would have been so easy to denounce two centuries of foreign rule, get a free pass on his first two terms in office by blaming the past. The Hindi we speak at home has many influences, Punjabi and Urdu being amongst them, not a sliver of Doordarshan’s Sanskrit.
Another attempt by convert to malign the local heritage.
Completely idiotic article. Every person of Gujarat agrees that Gujarati was not entirely derived from Sanskrit. Even the Gujarati School Textbooks also clarifies that Gujarati language has many words from Farsi, Urdu, English and Marathi. This article tries to create an argument from nothing.Being a Gujarati, I have never heard another Gujarati claiming that Gujarati was only created from Sanskrit. Also the line “The Muslim population of Gujarat is imagined as relying solely on Urdu, and seen as not belonging to Gujarat (or India) because of the myth of all Muslims having arrived in the sub-continent as ‘invaders’ ” is also misleading. Almost all Gujarati muslims such as Dawoodi Bohra, Kathiwari Memons etc. speak fluent Gujarati and nobody demeans them as foreigners .
From personal experience I know that if you ask a Gujarati muslim about his identity , then he calls himself Muslim and not Gujarati. So we might want to normalize but the ground facts are different.
You are a gutkhakhor,aka jobstealer.why you are interested in non Hindi language lifestyle.no gujarati will ever a bihari,may god forgive you for your urdu Ashraf hates you.
This is a stupid article writing without understanding the evolution of Gujarati language. Gujarati has never been Sanskritized. In fact the first Gujarati literature Vasant Vilas which is a Fagu Kavya has its roots in Prakrit. Thereafter Gujarati was enriched by many words from different languages of the world, the reason being the entrepreneurial skills of Gujaratis. The Gujarati community has never been conservative as far a language is concerned and that’s why even today there are numerous words of various languages in Gujarati. Just check the Gujarati newspaper MILLAT which is published in Pakistan even today. The Gujarati language used in this newspaper is 90 percent equivalent to the Gujarati spoken and written in Gujarat. What you are mentioning is absurd and without any factual base.
And yes the process of Standardization of a language has to be adopted. It has been done everywhere in the world. Just see the difference between the English used in cantabary tales and today’s English. Standardization of a language is a comprehensive process and many factors are considered in this process, the most important being popularity of words. Gujaratis use the word NATAL for Christmas which is a Portuguese word. Had Gujarati been Sanskritized we would have been using Isu Jayanti. And when the people of Gujarat have no problem with their language why do you poke your nose? I would just like to say SHUT UP
Yeah.. talk about Sanskritisation of a language and don’t talk about the prior islamisation of the same language before invasions!
This article is a classic example of hypocrisy.
Yes a language cannot grow without using words from other languages (loaner words) but only for those things which it doesn’t already have a word.
You are a white supremacists,what’s your business in india huh,your ancestors murdered and jailed gujaratis.so get the hell out of here
Author is trying to create issue out of non-issue, and seems to be motivated. As usual, politicans are in habit of doing their business with capital from other peoples pocket. And they do it without consent of real capital owner and without promise of any positive returns to capital owner. The author is doing exactly that – either purportedly or is at least deluded.
Language evolves with assimilation of volcabulary / new words from other languages. Similarly, influence of other langaugages can have negative / deterioratary influence. For example, if a redundant word is borrowed from other language (as, in case, that the native language has word to represent the particular idea, still we borrow from other language) , it would probably skew the meaning of foreign or native or both words. we see it happening. for example – indians use word “glass” for “tumbler”, which is completely nonsense. It makes sense to stop prevalent use of word “glass”.
If word are used from other languages thoughfully, everybody will love it. for that reason It must happen through central authority. There is no reason to criticise that.
There is no pure language… The paragraph “Sanskritisation, in search of ‘pure’ Gujarati” is complete bakwaas. No doubt politics play an important role, but majority population plays a bigger role and there is no politics there. If 100% know Gujarati and 10% write it differently, the written text of 90% will become mainstream.
People who migrated to Africa way before even Gandhi went there, speak a Gujarati which would be very tough for the current people of Gujarat to decipher. So languages evolve. There will be hundreds of words in today’s Gujarati that has Persian influence. Also I am sure many of these words were used even before Mughals invaded, because Gujarati Community was involved in trade since long.
When we discuss about the language,we need to eliminate other aberrations. As we evolve,move,mature,we should be able to appreciate the beauty and influence of historians,in promulgating literature,arts,in their Durbar. That is the case,when wise ib the undivided India learnt Persia to apprise the Mughals of the ancient wisdom of Neeti,codes,culture,customs,hidden in our life.And the patronisers were interested in understanding our culture,in depth,and they first wanted to understand the language first. It widened our aptitude to learn more languages,underlying theme and core values,connecting through the dots of common areas for comparson. In Japanese which had several Chinese Kanji,pictorial writing has three meanings,kun, their writing Hiragana for native words,Katakana for borrowed words,and Kanji for pictorial root expression. Many Buddhist scholars travelled from China,Mongolia,Japan,Sinhalam in their quest for understanding the religion in its place of origin,from seers,and wise and were influenced by the thematic representations of sastras. In Japanese,each day is associated with prakriti, like Sub,Moon,Fire,Sea,Tree,Wealth,Earth etc..Like we connect them to Grahas..The Chinese link each Lunar year to mythogical animals,representing the trends in capsule. I learnt Gujarathi, the sweetest melodious,simple soft spoken languages only to understand my brothers,sisters there better as many of them spoke only Gujarathi and their love and hospitality urged me to reach out to them..The wise sastras wete translated into Persia,by our own scholars at the behest of those Governing rulers,later they got it translated into Arabic and European languages. British also encouraged its officers to learn Sanskrit to understand the tenets written in various sastras, for a better understanding and not superficial hear say and fragmented meaning. If you imagine that your language is the river connecting all others,you will fibd every lotus,sprouting out from this base river,emits love,purity,fragrance,beauty,connectedness to Solar system Appreciate,enjoy,evolve
No matter what a Samskrit or Arabic or Persian lover will wish, development of a language follows its own course.
Study it, enjoy it. What’s the point in duelling with each other?
In past or current time, no one lagugae use other languages words.It is continuous process of change the world and word. I think author should study and reaserch well in advance before writing this article, whether she student or scholar of doctorate.
ગુજરાત ની ગુજરાતી ભાષા ગુજરાતી એક અનન્ય ભાષા છે , હતી અને રહેવાની, કુતર્ક નો કોઈ જવાબ ન અપાય એક સજ્જન સામાન્ય જ્ઞાન દાખવતા હું અભિવ્યક્ત કરી રહ્યો છું.
ઉપરાંત,
ભાષા હંમેશા વિકાસશીલ હોય તો જ સમય ના પરિમાણ માં પોતાનું અનન્ય ગૌરવશાળી પદ જાળવી શકશે.
જય જય ગરવી ગુજરાતની ગુજરાતી ભાષા.
Who on earth ever claimed that Gujarati was the daughter of Sanskrit and was solely influenced by Sanskrit?
No language on earth can claim to be influenced by or have been derived from only one single language. And no Indian academic/scholar has ever made any such claim.
Yes, it is an inescapable truth that a huge majority of modern Indian languages have been derived from Sanskrit and therefore are heavily influenced by it. However, it is nobody’s case that Sanskrit was the only language whih shaped and guided these new languages of the masses.
Even Sanskrit itself has underwent many changes over the centuries by coming in contact with other languages. The Sanskrit of 1000BC and the Sanskrit of 2000AD are worlds apart in structure and grammar. Any scholar of Sanskrit will attest to this fact. The image of Sanskrit as a rigid and ossified language is one which is very deliberately peddled by scholars belonging to the liberal/secular cabal as it beautifully serves their own agenda.
This article seems to have been written with the intention of proving one’s loyalty to the “cause” of liberalism/secularism. And as is the norm, it features very prominently the vilification/denigration of Sanskrit and the upper caste Hindus. What better way to prove your secular credentials?
Bullshit article. Everybody if they add a tag research Schiller means upper caste lower caste divide. One should go and read what the British crook Thomas Bagington Macaulay said more than 150 years ago in Hindu systems and Sanskrit. His letters are still available.
@ashok
Our ancestors were not enslaved and paying Jizya tax as much as your ancestors did. Heavily perisanized and Arabized language sounds foreign to us. South Indians may understand Shudh Hindi better.
We prefer Sanskritized Hindi since we recognize many words and understand better. Your loyalty to your Muslim masters is more important to you than your fellow citizens understanding a Prime Minister or an announcement? So you got a problem with that?
Hehe!
What xenophobic gobbledegook! “Your loyalty to your Muslim masters”!!
If you were truly South Indian, and knew a bit about languages and linguistics, you’d know that your “better recognition” of Hindi words is due more to your communal mind than to the relative distances among languages.
Even if you choose to stay underneath your provincial rock, you’d do a favor to yourself to take a class in comparative languages to be able to succeed in the modern world.
Idiot/ hypocrite:
What is “really South Indian”.
Lot more Sanskrit words are in South Indian languages. It is 100% truth. Actually all Indian languages. Sanskritic Hindi is more intelligible to Indians who are not native Hindu speakers.
You are an arrogant jerk.
Hindi speakers. Typo.
Language expert Reign Forest
You got a problem with the statement more Sanskrit words than Arabic and Persian words are present in all Indian languages?what kind of language expert are you!
We should be a proud, self confident nation, acknowledge the many chapters to our history. One of the statesmanlike decisions of PM Nehru was to stay in the Commonwealth, develop cordial relations with Britain. It would have been so easy to denounce two centuries of foreign rule, get a free pass on his first two terms in office by blaming the past. The Hindi we speak at home has many influences, Punjabi and Urdu being amongst them, not a sliver of Doordarshan’s Sanskrit.