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How come Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey and Sri Lanka remain constitutional, democratic and stable despite Islam and Buddhism respectively, but Pakistan, Bangladesh and Myanmar don’t?
This kind of reporting about education system in USA or UK will have those respective governments at your door step… But when it comes to other countries, so nice of you guys to take so many honest liberties while reporting… The process of becoming a doctor or an engineer, after getting into a university is tough anywhere. Yes, there are loopholes in every system, but most survive…
I am apalled at what IITians have to say in comments sections,You really still don’t understand what an intellectually advanced society or progressive society and nation should be should be .Well those who say that they have had no problems at all , well people still may have not given you a reality check.Also, if you think that everybody else who are complaining or raising an issue here and trying to have a discussion have low IQ , were lazy, don’t have an aptitude , to bring to your notice ,many of them have better capabilities an skills ,then IITians.As far as IITians having scientific aptitude ,well I have known many of them, and it is questionable.Within IIT aspirants , how the competition distorts their thinking and psychology forever. Well you must have been living under a rock to realize that traditional notions of intelligence , socially acceptable personalities, behaviour and success are changing rapidly, and which are rooted and justified in highly scientific theories and principles. You proved us right when , you said that everything is fine with the system , even when you see students committing suicide , and in coaching classes , teachers yelling at top of their voices , scaring young minds who are already stressed .Some giving derogatory remarks about students inaptitude to be an IITian, questioning their scientific temperament etc.
IIT engg. grads are not scientists. So we can’t expect them to question society’s thinking and preferences the way a true scientist or rationalist does. IIT aspirants have cracked Science exams just to get into IIT that is all. Even after they graduate, I doubt if most of them even understand the philosophy of science and the rationality of science over religion. Is the Scientific Method even taught to engg. students there? I am aware of right-wing “historians” and “religious” monks invited for lectures at IIT. Also Sanskrit departments at IIT’s, who is pushing for these departments in a technology institute – it’s clear political interference.
JEE and GATE exam are about cracking objective answers to certain questions. Never is the process to get that answer evaluated. I had the luck of attending courses under some of the best scientists of India. We had open book, open internet exams. You could still never answer the questions entirely. But you were evaluated and you passed based on the steps you took to approach towards a solution. Of course, there was subjectivity and abstraction in each answer which needs rigorous evaluation done personally and elaborately. Since we were only 10 or less, the coaches were grateful enough to do that. This was btw a scientist training programme.
IITians, I think, on the other hand are trained to be problem solvers not problem developers. This is indeed one type of intelligence but entirely leaves out abstraction and subjectivity which is actually at the root of science and mathematics. Mathematics especially is entirely like a language rather than a a natural science, since a lot of concepts are simply impractical. For example, you cannot have -2 apples. But negative numbers are useful to represent debt. So too, then does math have its own poetry and subjectivity which manyatimes we can perceive as a concept in our minds but never able to touch it. Research is a constant struggle to touch that abstraction. There is great joy in such a subjectivity and by not making exams cater to this subjectivity, we are making students lose out on the real happiness in education. Honestly, most Indian teachers are incapable of setting or checking a true subjective exam paper.
With a million students taking the JEE every year, it is difficult to select using subjective questions.
But in their btech degree, I believe the exams are all subjective.
If education is looked at as a game to be won, our young kids are just trying to play the game.
They are trying to game the entry into the higher education system. Can’t blame anyone – not parents, not them, not the coaching institutes.
Any test-taking based entrance education system will produce great test-takers who study what is necessary to crack the test.
For IIT profs, it’s hard for them to design an alternative system to select candidates in a student population of 1 million every year.
I would be more interested in knowing about how they’re taught and tested inside IIT. From what I have heard from employers, they are trained and efficient problem solvers, but never great problem definers. They may do things right, but may not know how to choose the right things to do. I guess that is something for IIT profs to work on.
Yes, you are an ordinary scientist.
Hi All Readers!
The person who wrote this article looks like trying to kill the interest of the potential students and parents trying to get into an IIT Institutes, which are worlds topmost Institute among. Also we are having toughest entrance exams like in the same way.. IAS, IPS, CA, CLAW, UPSC.. to mention so many.
If we sstart demotivate all the students in the same way, our INDIAN topmost Institutes which are among worlds BEST Institutes,will get suffer.
Don’t we know the qualifying percentage of CA, IPS, IPS
.. many more entrance exams.
Are we not seeing the problems facing by IAS, IPS officers due to various reasons.
If we all start thinking in the same lines, then whole our INDIAN education system will get demotivated & spoiled.
If we see overall, every competive exam is difficult.
It doesn’t mean that, difficult to preparew for it.
Request not to right this kind of articles whcich creates fear in the students & parents minds.
As mentioned in the article, GOVT should take initiative to stop Commecialising the competitive exams coaching by private players to make crores of rupees.
Excuse me, I think you did not notice but here we are talking about TEENAGERS can… getting in to college, getting into a good college is difficult, getting into college where fees is less is difficult, so YOUNG CHILDREN, AS YOUNG AS 12 start grinding themselves for just getting into s college…it’s not like you automatically get a good job….or secure future… that’s totally different race run.
Question here is, Is it really important to make things like college a rare thing to get ?
Parents do not just want best but cheapest college… that’s IIT or NIT for you….so there is competition…but then there is BITS also which is easier to get to…but the fee is very high. Same goes for medical college.
Secondly, almost every science stream student gives this exam in the country… that’s like 1/3 of the total teen population…so don’t you think it’s a bit too much. In addition to all this there are not many reputable, nicely paying jobs in India. And now Indian government is making government jobs more and more rare.
Unlike other countries students who don’t even have any interest in Science, choose science… obviously because you can become DOCTOR OR ENGINEER then (Reputable job*).
In developed countries like Germany, the school system allows children to take desired stream( they have vocational courses)…also the college fees is minimal, because the government takes education seriously…much like Kerala where education is cheaper…so people are educated.
Jobs in Germany pay almost equal… doesn’t matter you are engineer or carpenter.
In Finland, they don’t even have competitive exams…why you ask ?
Well, the nearest college is the best… because all colleges are equal. They think all children are equal. They have one of the least school hours…so that children can be creative. Students there know multiple languages…they have hobbies, know how to cook…and many other social skills.
If you think all this is not so… important and… what important is for competition remain…after reading all of this.
Then let me tell you, education system of Finland is best ( or one of the best) because when students performance was taken into consideration FINLAND performed better than USA, UK, CHINA and many other countries.
See for yourself :
A Finnish person called Linus Torvalds created Linux the world’s most popular OS . He did it because he had interest in coding an OS, it was just a passion thing, no monetary gains I have not heard of an OS or other software written by an IIT student that is developed within an IIT and really popular worldwide…
Excuse me, I think you did not notice but here we are talking about TEENAGERS can… getting in to college, getting into a good college is difficult, getting into college where fees is less is difficult, so YOUNG CHILDREN, AS YOUNG AS 12 start grinding themselves for just getting into s college…it’s not like you automatically get a good job….or secure future… that’s totally different race run.
Question here is, Is it really important to make things like college a rare thing to get ?
Parents do not just want best but cheapest college… that’s IIT or NIT for you….so there is competition…but then there is BITS also which is easier to get to…but the fee is very high. Same goes for medical college.
Secondly, almost every science stream student gives this exam in the country… that’s like 1/3 of the total teen population…so don’t you think it’s a bit too much. In addition to all this there are not many reputable, nicely paying jobs in India. And now Indian government is making government jobs more and more rare.
Unlike other countries students who don’t even have any interest in Science, choose science… obviously because you can become DOCTOR OR ENGINEER then (Reputable job*).
In developed countries like Germany, the school system allows children to take desired stream( they have vocational courses)…also the college fees is minimal, because the government takes education seriously…much like Kerala where education is cheaper…so people are educated.
Jobs in Germany pay almost equal… doesn’t matter you are engineer or carpenter.
In Finland, they don’t even have competitive exams…why you ask ?
Well, the nearest college is the best… because all colleges are equal. They think all children are equal. They have one of the least school hours…so that children can be creative. Students there know multiple languages…they have hobbies, know how to cook…and many other social skills.
If you think all this is not so… important and… what important is for competition remain…after reading all of this.
Then let me tell you, education system of Finland is best ( or one of the best) because when students performance was taken into consideration FINLAND performed better than USA, UK, CHINA and many other countries.
While i was in 10+2 PCMB, i was a AVERAGE student & i used to bring IIT solved Question papers THICK Book from my Library & finish a SINGLE page in a day.❕AND FINALLY i ENDED up with DIPLOMA in Engg.?
Very rightly articled and the education ministry of India should appreciate contributions by any concerned citizens for the good of our children. The one concerned which I passed as a parent was ,how can a 3yr old child be enrolled into any pre – or schooling centre’s where their young brains will meet the situation where only compelled parents in a country like ours ,where fight is might.
This is a subtle attack on a system that has worked well. By the way, the situation is no different in the US for admission to reputed colleges. Removing a technical entrance exam is not a solution as the admission process will be subjective and nebulous as is the case in US. In Indian system, a poor meritorious student has a decent shot at admission to premier institutes but I do not think it is the case with US institutions despite how much ever propaganda they make.
The problem is with parents who do not understand the capability of their children before putting them into coaching institutes. The dream of IIT for them is a nightmare for their children. Nobody can stop parents from getting on to this bandwagon. Children suffer while coaching business prospers.
The author unnecessary laments on issues which are not the root of the problem. Plus the mathematics and the logic used to explain this issue is not adequate. Please analyse holistically to enrich journalism that we can appreciate.
article writer is someone who left kota after a week and taken admission to private engineering college… or a backbenchers or a frustrated of study hey all you readers we are all good here in kota
Agreeing to most of what is mentioned here, the author emphasizes on 1 in 1000, when it should be 1 in 100…a simple calculator would have avoided this error….you add NITs …dont know…some 20000 more seats so the ratio comes down to 1 in 50 odd….much better than what we faced 20 years back with 6 IITs and 3000 odd seats….plus multiple exams….life has become better with the plethora of decent colleges coming up….
Your math is the reason you didn’t get into IIT lmao
1,500,000/13000 = ?
Use a calculator, have fun.
Very true. Sacrifice is way too high. None get rewards if they stay in INDIA. Toll on life and childhood is incomparable. Later everyone around these geniuses evolves, but they all forgot what it took to reach IIT
A Software Developer who had completed from an ordinary college with good skills, with good experience in his or her career is still a Developer…they don’t get chance as Higher official…to maximize they may become a Team leader…Though they have extra ordinary skills they are not given a chance as Manager…Project lead…Here there is a regression in parents that because of an ordinary college ..they are not given a chance to prove..
They want there children to touch the sky ..which they couldn’t..that is also one of the reason for compelling the kids to go for An IIT ..and achieve the best ..which a parent couldn’t achieve in their career…and motivate their children to scarify their life…..
What about years of no hobby in pursuit of CA exam
There is no need to write huge articles about these things, without some basic information. It is a feudal language nation.
The desperation is to escape the Thoo level in professional live and to arrive at the Aap level. Hobbies and everything else can wait.
In medical studies also the mood is the same. However, in the case of IIT, there is a dream of escaping from this social system and being able to run off to some native English nation, possibly the US, where feudal languages are still in their budding state.
What do you mean by ‘feudal language nation’? I am curious.
I being a medico can totally relate to this and the caste reservations make it much more worse forus under general merit to get to our goals . It’s a rat race, you wanna study as genuinely as possible, you cannot . You need to gear up for the Rat Race that is your PG exams .That is where the whole beauty of studying dies. You cannot be a good doctor if you just study for exams . But that is where we are headed right now.
It’s actually very correct…
Indian Constitution says that all castes and religions MUST be treated equally then for what reason the selections are based on caste..???
Only loosers who can’t crack it themselves will say so. I am an IIT grad, had an amazing fun childhood with many friends who are still around and I am a national level badminton player. IIT doesn’t have anything to do with not having friends or a life.
I attest to Cyan’s sentiment. In fact many of my classmates at IIT have varied interests including music, sports, quizzes, social service etc. This article does not reflect the IITans I grew up with.
There is a seven letter word : humility. Not all people would be as privileged as you and they struggle as mentioned above.
Is that why you called these people “loosers”? ???
I don’t think so. It is a 100% lie form your side
Tu rarest mey sey rare he re baba…..
You are talking like chatur of 3 idiots?.
You shouldn’t be so harsh. Not qualifying jee doesn’t mean they are losers. I am also an IITian but I m not bragging this as an achievement to taunt someone and what is use of such achievement to demean someone.
This clearly clarifies the kind of social skills you are having .
Just so you know, dear IITian, every human being has different brain capacity, social skills, family situation, friend circle and much more. You should consider yourself lucky to get want to want without losing anything. You may have cracked one of the toughest exams in the world and became a topper, but you miserably failed to have the toughest skill any human must have, POLITENESS. Which genius tutor of yours taught you to call other aspirants “losers” without knowing their situation? You are just lucky (and talented ofc) but severely lack empathy, this is what your IITian brain did this to you, thus proved the correctness of this article. 🙂
Well said totally agreed
Your attitude and calling others “losers” is enough to show what an amazing childhood you had
Very well said Person !
Cyan’s swagger and utter lack of humility is the last thing I would want to see in a young man or woman. Sadly, in many instances Indian parenting encourages precisely this type of arrogance and bluster.
Excuss me sir! Excpetions are always there. Last week i saw a 13 yr kid preparing for jee. Skipping his playing time.
well said. may be they restricting themselves involving in other fun, sports, family get together etc., everything can be managed. only thing is their willingness, involvement.
Speak for yourself Cyan. Your anecdotal experience cannot be generalised.
And heard of the word “humility” ?
Mr. Cyan, you do realise you may be an exception? The article does not suggest all IITians are socially inept and have lost childhoods; rather, that most, unlike exceptions (or, exceptional) such as yourself, go through the grind described in the article.
This article in itself is a overreaction… if u study ur syllabus gradually over a course of time it is not that big a deal to get in to iit… those who say it is impossible to get in without losing ur childhood are all lazy folks who doesn’t want to commit to their studies. If u don’t have conviction definitely u won’t reach the top..
Don’t act like a kid if you were having good circumstances that doesn’t mean that everyone out there is having the same life this article refers to the vast majority of students who are suffering out their due to various kind of problems like parental pressure, peer pressure ,etc. Not everyone out there is having the same ambition of entering a medical or engineering college due to this unguided rat race many have lost their ambitions if you are having enough resources that doesn’t mean that everyone is having them out there
+1
Good reply
Yes you are right… But let’s take up a probable factor… Suppose a student who falls under the mediocre class, in his high school days didn’t study regularly probably because he was lazy or he perhaps didn’t know that he would eventually got attracted to neet jee… But in due course of time when he reached 11 or 12 he happens to find out that he desperately wanted to be either a doctor or an engineer…. In this case to make up for the time he had wasted he started to prepare for jee and neet like hell…. Will your views be applicable in this case…
Come on let’s get to know each other more….
Maybe an online friend will be amazing….
Preparing for such exams, at least students will keep away from wasting time totally absorbed into entertainment world, and reading about movie actors actresses and or imbibe smoking, drinking, indulge in other adolescent activities joining with wrong companions / friends.
Training your mind to learn is no way unhealthy, especially in crucial development phase.
Not everyone wants to become movie artiste or RJ or TV anchors. For a Math oriented person it is a joy solving a math problem. For instance, Physics understanding the abstract concepts and solving numerical problems gives immense joy closer to understanding our own inner Self.
“Math oriented person” – well kids are being made math oriented so that they can prepare for JEE. That’s probably not their inherent orientation to begin with. It’s more about getting a good job than learning math to solve math problems. It’s like saying during the admission rounds that you want to take up Chemical Engg because you have passion for chemistry and love for engineering blah blah but as soon as the kid graduates, it’s an IT job that’s being chased. Why? Because core jobs don’t pay half as much.
Also, 100,000 kids are math oriented? Then why is India’s ranking at IMO so poor? China and USA are far ahead. If your kid is math oriented s/he should take up math, and not other vocational streams in the name of “they too use math.” On the flipside some of the kids that go to MIT , Princeton or Tshingua are far better at math as a cohort than those at IIT. Which is why those countries are ahead of India at IMO. Despite which those kids also pursue hobbies and more well rounded than thier Indian counteparts. The truth is India has far fewer opportunities for anyone who is not an IITan. Much much fewer for those who are not engineers. It’s not so in other countries. Parents jn India are not ready to assume the risk in behalf of their kids to allow them to pursue other careers like acting, dancing or sports. This has caused a pseudo jam for admissions at premier engineering colleges. Of course, there are exceptions but v v few as a Percentage of the population.
Having prepared for the exam myself and being in an IIT now I still beg to differ. The way jee aspirants are taught it isn’t about brain training or scientific learning. It is nearly rote learning or solving a plethora of nearly the same questions in order to get acquainted. Solving questions is not physics. The joy of self discovery of a concept or to dwell deeper into a concept or topic , something which we did in our junior classes is nearly prohibited. The coaching centres focus on formulas and solving a question. If someone seems very interested in a particular topic so as to study it further we are discouraged to do so saying IT IS MERELY A WASTE OF TIME!!!!! FOR JEE preparation most students take dummy schools and miss out on school life and many don’t even perform practicals. Imagine an engineering aspirant who just mugged up methods for practical to save time for practicing and understanding the practical. Many don’t make files. For two years they neglect language and hence lose confidence. School life is important because the coaching environment is not friendly and due to the stress from family, coaching a child self doubts his/her abilities. Performing well in JEE is not connected with how smart, intelligent or scientifically inclined one is. It is merely how much hard work and rote learning one does.
External knowledge cannot lead to inner knowledge!
Self-knowledge is revealed only when you unlearn all knowledge from outside. That is the truth.
We need politicians, authors, poets, thinkers, philosophers, journalists, sportsmen, athletes
But over emphasized science education, will not be good for tomorrow’s generation. No balance between selection and implementation. Everything is forced and compelled, no our students need selection and freedom to select the right course
Jai Hind
To everybody who keeps saying that ,getting that this article is to support ppl who weren’t able to get a seat because they were mediocre ,shame on you ! Not everybody has the ability to win this rat race even if they give it their all ,Do you mean that just cuz they weren’t able to pass an examination, they are meant to suffer and deserve the said suffering?!!!!
This Kota factory as well learning coding in early age is a serious issues. We need emphasize on creativity, innovation & knowledge. But Indian education system is not functioning on the core. These premium institute should have more seats as well as parents should be aware of diversification of subjects matter. Only IIT or medicos doesn’t have bright future. Our children needs a valuable life to have the harmony life with nature.
Oh so blame govt for the rat race that we willingly participate in?
Govt doesnt force you to run in the rat race…
I have friends who gave up few years of their life for getting into IITs today they are decades ahead in everything that matters. They live like princes and have fantastic opportunities and enviable lives. This article is written for those who can feel happy to live in mediocracy
Why don’t you ask your “friends” if they were really interested in engg or the field of engg they choose. Or they like it. All the money in the world doesn’t mean anything if you don’t enjoy the work you’re doing.
BTW from my childhood I have always been fascinated and amazed by computers which is why I studied from 3rd tier college just to learn computers, get good pay and enjoy the work i do.
Please talk something about the problems that online classes are posing on student’s of country’s premier institutions be it iit,nit or anything else. We are getting 90% marks with 0% knowledge now even some IITs are running practical lab courses online. Now when government has reopened everything, they are doing rallys with lakhs of gatherings, opened schools then why can’t they open IITs.
We sacrifice our childhood to get a prized seat in IIT
to just sit in front of screen and professors just scrolling the PDFs. Are they not able to manage or they don’t want to, I doubt on the intension’s of this goverment do they want all of us to be like their illiterate ministers.
I believe The Print is very responsible news paper and specially when it comes to adress student issues.
It’s the story that no Indian parent cares about. There’s no point writing about this. What could be done is improve the faculty, the facilities and most importantly the quality of education in other colleges in India, so that students like me who didn’t get into IIT are able to get a quality education and a well paying job.
If u would have actually studied in your childhood then it would have been a sweet truth .
The jee preparation is not that much intense which this article is directing and preparing it from class 8 doesn’t make sense?.There are a lot of examples of Students who starts to prepare for it from 11th and got their goal achieved by consistent hardwork and dedication.Preparation from early classes is for only those students who are really interested in science and their curiosity is that much that they can’t wait for class 11 and this only improve their skills for jee and olympiads.It is also important to mention that rank in jee advanced depends upon how much one had studied in last 2,3,4 years but mostly depends upon how a student spends last 2-3 months before jee adv.So, finally its totally a wrong myth that high performance in jee will comes from 3-4 years of preparation.Right guidance and support can make miracle
The pity of this is the needlessness of this competition. A smart society will provide diverse opportunity for all students in all subjects.. Education is important but Not this kind of rat race. What does this issue relate to Kumbh and Ram Manir?? Efforts wasted in non essential areas triggers a stampede here. Classic mistaken priority in a society.
There is lack of job for engineers instead of doctors.. Why?.. Patients are more in India.. So india needs more hospitals therefore requirement of medical staff.. At the same time india is lacking in technology.. Therefore less job opportunity for engineers.. Govt should take a look on this matter..
Even this thing continue after mbbs as neet pg where mbbs graduate study for years to clear even more competitive and difficult pg entance exam and don’t know what will happen if next arrives where five years of University exam’s comes into question
? that’s the saddest reality that young doctors of this generation are facing
Medical and too engineering colleges entrances have been tough due to demand supply skew, and the advantages these fields offered. What are the alternatives:
1. Ban these exams and choose students through referrals – then we risk nepotism. At least on face value the exams are fair.
2. More colleges- Many engineering seats are going empty. Supply of seats is there, but there is a scram towards the perceived top seats.
3. Lottery for seats – may reduce exam stress, but then whether would it be fair to students and institutions
4. Diversification and elevation of other branches – that is happening with time and will occur more as economy prospers. People may not need to do IIT to IIM to Finance.
Sir, With all due respect,I ask these questions out of sheer ignorance.And in good faith.Would you throw some light on them, please?
1.What IS that special-something/secret sauce
an IIT teaches its prized students that the lesser mortals in other engineering schools in India are denied or deprived of ?
2.Do the hallowed IIT Professors teach their students that there can be more than one correct answer to any problem, including the mathematical problems,logic-related problems and science-related problems,in the undeniable context of ,for example,some of Newtonian Theories &Conceptual Frameworks being disproved by Einsteinean Theories &Conceptual Postulates,and some of Einsteinean Postulates themselves now getting disproved conclusively and Einstein himself confessing towards the fag end of his illustrious life that he was not sure if he would get through,were he to write an exam in Physics or Quantum Sciences every year – ostensibly jocularly,but in truth,emphasing the ever-changing and inconclusive nature of all sciences including medical sciences,mathematics,etc.?
In which case ,what accounts for the arbitrariness of the students who don’t make the cut in prestigious, lucrative entrance exams and resign themselves to a financially, socially, materially,psychologically,maritally inferior life?
3.How conclusively and Un-Arbitrarily foolproof are the Learnings, Learning Mechanisms, Learning Outcome Evaluation Methodologies, Learning Outcome Evaluation Metrics throughout the Education System from Kindergarten to Prestigious,Halo-ed Engineering/Medical/Technology/Business/
Professional Schools throughout the world(let alone their so-called academic,social & employment-market inferiors) in the prestigious campus-placement stakes and career-ace-ing thereafter?
4.Out of the 13,000 or less that passed out of IITs every year so far,how many have turned into corporate princes and kings…how many have metamorphosed into Unicorn Entrepreneurs….how many have turned into Entrepreneurs of any significance or consequence on a global/national scale…how many of them have brought
high-wattage Glory,Fame and Fortune to their Motherland that fondly and hugely subsidized their hallowed education…how many of them have enriched their Motherland with their life-altering consistent contributions that benefit the country at large, qualitatively enhancing the general standard of living of their fellow
Rural-Urban-Agrarian brethren and sisters,take or leave a Sunder Pichchai or Narayana Murthy or two?
If I have offended your sensibilities or sensitivities in any way,it was inadvertent and I sincerely seek your indulgence.
Regards,
Extremely aggreed
Wow..you are one butthurt individual
Those graduates do what they feel like.
And also there is a difference in perspective of the students due to the proffesors working there, THAT is where the difference lies, there is no special ‘sauce’.
When ones goal is to get into an iit, one is bound to feel empty inside if he does manage to get in. The kind of parents that force their children through this hopefully dies out with this generation of parents . I world ask my children to think twice before becoming an engineer. Especially when the go to goal is a job at a “prestigious” mnc. No wonder so many iitians wander out of their field in search of fulfilment.
The really appreciate the effort you put in writing this article. This is the first article I’ve seen saying the sad reality of preparing for JEE Mains. I attempted two exams this year and it was really difficult because of the pandemic. But people say everyone struggled and went through the same road, the answer is no. People have different abilities and skills and that is what makes us unique from others. Thank you so much for making this article.
It is the mistake of the student or his parents to put him into JEE when his aptitude is something else. Don’t blame the system— Indians should be proud of IIT JEE ,considered toughest competitive exam in the world.
The sort of lament which this article indulges in is best addressed to parents.
Parents need to be counselled that their children are simply not capable of joining the IITs or of surviving there.
Parents need to be told that they should let their children lead normal lives and that they should be happy with whatever their child achieves.
Children need to be told that the world is a complex place. That while they may be good at something they may not necessarily be good at science technology and mathematics. As it is most children in India study Arts subjects. They should be taught the Gita and the lesson that they should be happy in whatever they do.
This article is written in very negative light. Competitive spirit is an very important trait and that is what this exam inculcates in students right from their childhood.
Not everyone deserves a seat in IIT’s, it is for best of the best.
Our son , appeared for this exam and secured a 2 digit rank in JEE Mains and an upmarket 3 digit rank in JEE advanced and got into IIT Delhi in a top ranking branch.It was his very first attempt. He just prepared for 2 years and did not miss a single IPL game when the exam was so near.
He played the sport of his choice and just had to be disciplined.
In my view this exam teaches students the importance of remaining focused, competing and also concentrating on something they want to do.
Like everyone can’t be a fighter pilot everyone can’t be an IITian.
What’s the solution?? Everyone is only talking about problems.
This kind of reporting about education system in USA or UK will have those respective governments at your door step… But when it comes to other countries, so nice of you guys to take so many honest liberties while reporting… The process of becoming a doctor or an engineer, after getting into a university is tough anywhere. Yes, there are loopholes in every system, but most survive…
I am apalled at what IITians have to say in comments sections,You really still don’t understand what an intellectually advanced society or progressive society and nation should be should be .Well those who say that they have had no problems at all , well people still may have not given you a reality check.Also, if you think that everybody else who are complaining or raising an issue here and trying to have a discussion have low IQ , were lazy, don’t have an aptitude , to bring to your notice ,many of them have better capabilities an skills ,then IITians.As far as IITians having scientific aptitude ,well I have known many of them, and it is questionable.Within IIT aspirants , how the competition distorts their thinking and psychology forever. Well you must have been living under a rock to realize that traditional notions of intelligence , socially acceptable personalities, behaviour and success are changing rapidly, and which are rooted and justified in highly scientific theories and principles. You proved us right when , you said that everything is fine with the system , even when you see students committing suicide , and in coaching classes , teachers yelling at top of their voices , scaring young minds who are already stressed .Some giving derogatory remarks about students inaptitude to be an IITian, questioning their scientific temperament etc.
IIT engg. grads are not scientists. So we can’t expect them to question society’s thinking and preferences the way a true scientist or rationalist does. IIT aspirants have cracked Science exams just to get into IIT that is all. Even after they graduate, I doubt if most of them even understand the philosophy of science and the rationality of science over religion. Is the Scientific Method even taught to engg. students there? I am aware of right-wing “historians” and “religious” monks invited for lectures at IIT. Also Sanskrit departments at IIT’s, who is pushing for these departments in a technology institute – it’s clear political interference.
JEE and GATE exam are about cracking objective answers to certain questions. Never is the process to get that answer evaluated. I had the luck of attending courses under some of the best scientists of India. We had open book, open internet exams. You could still never answer the questions entirely. But you were evaluated and you passed based on the steps you took to approach towards a solution. Of course, there was subjectivity and abstraction in each answer which needs rigorous evaluation done personally and elaborately. Since we were only 10 or less, the coaches were grateful enough to do that. This was btw a scientist training programme.
IITians, I think, on the other hand are trained to be problem solvers not problem developers. This is indeed one type of intelligence but entirely leaves out abstraction and subjectivity which is actually at the root of science and mathematics. Mathematics especially is entirely like a language rather than a a natural science, since a lot of concepts are simply impractical. For example, you cannot have -2 apples. But negative numbers are useful to represent debt. So too, then does math have its own poetry and subjectivity which manyatimes we can perceive as a concept in our minds but never able to touch it. Research is a constant struggle to touch that abstraction. There is great joy in such a subjectivity and by not making exams cater to this subjectivity, we are making students lose out on the real happiness in education. Honestly, most Indian teachers are incapable of setting or checking a true subjective exam paper.
With a million students taking the JEE every year, it is difficult to select using subjective questions.
But in their btech degree, I believe the exams are all subjective.
If education is looked at as a game to be won, our young kids are just trying to play the game.
They are trying to game the entry into the higher education system. Can’t blame anyone – not parents, not them, not the coaching institutes.
Any test-taking based entrance education system will produce great test-takers who study what is necessary to crack the test.
For IIT profs, it’s hard for them to design an alternative system to select candidates in a student population of 1 million every year.
I would be more interested in knowing about how they’re taught and tested inside IIT. From what I have heard from employers, they are trained and efficient problem solvers, but never great problem definers. They may do things right, but may not know how to choose the right things to do. I guess that is something for IIT profs to work on.
Yes, you are an ordinary scientist.
Hi All Readers!
The person who wrote this article looks like trying to kill the interest of the potential students and parents trying to get into an IIT Institutes, which are worlds topmost Institute among. Also we are having toughest entrance exams like in the same way.. IAS, IPS, CA, CLAW, UPSC.. to mention so many.
If we sstart demotivate all the students in the same way, our INDIAN topmost Institutes which are among worlds BEST Institutes,will get suffer.
Don’t we know the qualifying percentage of CA, IPS, IPS
.. many more entrance exams.
Are we not seeing the problems facing by IAS, IPS officers due to various reasons.
If we all start thinking in the same lines, then whole our INDIAN education system will get demotivated & spoiled.
If we see overall, every competive exam is difficult.
It doesn’t mean that, difficult to preparew for it.
Request not to right this kind of articles whcich creates fear in the students & parents minds.
As mentioned in the article, GOVT should take initiative to stop Commecialising the competitive exams coaching by private players to make crores of rupees.
Excuse me, I think you did not notice but here we are talking about TEENAGERS can… getting in to college, getting into a good college is difficult, getting into college where fees is less is difficult, so YOUNG CHILDREN, AS YOUNG AS 12 start grinding themselves for just getting into s college…it’s not like you automatically get a good job….or secure future… that’s totally different race run.
Question here is, Is it really important to make things like college a rare thing to get ?
Parents do not just want best but cheapest college… that’s IIT or NIT for you….so there is competition…but then there is BITS also which is easier to get to…but the fee is very high. Same goes for medical college.
Secondly, almost every science stream student gives this exam in the country… that’s like 1/3 of the total teen population…so don’t you think it’s a bit too much. In addition to all this there are not many reputable, nicely paying jobs in India. And now Indian government is making government jobs more and more rare.
Unlike other countries students who don’t even have any interest in Science, choose science… obviously because you can become DOCTOR OR ENGINEER then (Reputable job*).
In developed countries like Germany, the school system allows children to take desired stream( they have vocational courses)…also the college fees is minimal, because the government takes education seriously…much like Kerala where education is cheaper…so people are educated.
Jobs in Germany pay almost equal… doesn’t matter you are engineer or carpenter.
In Finland, they don’t even have competitive exams…why you ask ?
Well, the nearest college is the best… because all colleges are equal. They think all children are equal. They have one of the least school hours…so that children can be creative. Students there know multiple languages…they have hobbies, know how to cook…and many other social skills.
If you think all this is not so… important and… what important is for competition remain…after reading all of this.
Then let me tell you, education system of Finland is best ( or one of the best) because when students performance was taken into consideration FINLAND performed better than USA, UK, CHINA and many other countries.
See for yourself :
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/how-does-finland-s-top-ranking-education-system-work
A Finnish person called Linus Torvalds created Linux the world’s most popular OS . He did it because he had interest in coding an OS, it was just a passion thing, no monetary gains I have not heard of an OS or other software written by an IIT student that is developed within an IIT and really popular worldwide…
Excuse me, I think you did not notice but here we are talking about TEENAGERS can… getting in to college, getting into a good college is difficult, getting into college where fees is less is difficult, so YOUNG CHILDREN, AS YOUNG AS 12 start grinding themselves for just getting into s college…it’s not like you automatically get a good job….or secure future… that’s totally different race run.
Question here is, Is it really important to make things like college a rare thing to get ?
Parents do not just want best but cheapest college… that’s IIT or NIT for you….so there is competition…but then there is BITS also which is easier to get to…but the fee is very high. Same goes for medical college.
Secondly, almost every science stream student gives this exam in the country… that’s like 1/3 of the total teen population…so don’t you think it’s a bit too much. In addition to all this there are not many reputable, nicely paying jobs in India. And now Indian government is making government jobs more and more rare.
Unlike other countries students who don’t even have any interest in Science, choose science… obviously because you can become DOCTOR OR ENGINEER then (Reputable job*).
In developed countries like Germany, the school system allows children to take desired stream( they have vocational courses)…also the college fees is minimal, because the government takes education seriously…much like Kerala where education is cheaper…so people are educated.
Jobs in Germany pay almost equal… doesn’t matter you are engineer or carpenter.
In Finland, they don’t even have competitive exams…why you ask ?
Well, the nearest college is the best… because all colleges are equal. They think all children are equal. They have one of the least school hours…so that children can be creative. Students there know multiple languages…they have hobbies, know how to cook…and many other social skills.
If you think all this is not so… important and… what important is for competition remain…after reading all of this.
Then let me tell you, education system of Finland is best ( or one of the best) because when students performance was taken into consideration FINLAND performed better than USA, UK, CHINA and many other countries.
While i was in 10+2 PCMB, i was a AVERAGE student & i used to bring IIT solved Question papers THICK Book from my Library & finish a SINGLE page in a day.❕AND FINALLY i ENDED up with DIPLOMA in Engg.?
This article was written by JEE failed aspirant.
Very rightly articled and the education ministry of India should appreciate contributions by any concerned citizens for the good of our children. The one concerned which I passed as a parent was ,how can a 3yr old child be enrolled into any pre – or schooling centre’s where their young brains will meet the situation where only compelled parents in a country like ours ,where fight is might.
This is a subtle attack on a system that has worked well. By the way, the situation is no different in the US for admission to reputed colleges. Removing a technical entrance exam is not a solution as the admission process will be subjective and nebulous as is the case in US. In Indian system, a poor meritorious student has a decent shot at admission to premier institutes but I do not think it is the case with US institutions despite how much ever propaganda they make.
If there is a will there is a way, I was taught in my primary school, I guess the writer needs primary lessons.
The problem is with parents who do not understand the capability of their children before putting them into coaching institutes. The dream of IIT for them is a nightmare for their children. Nobody can stop parents from getting on to this bandwagon. Children suffer while coaching business prospers.
The author unnecessary laments on issues which are not the root of the problem. Plus the mathematics and the logic used to explain this issue is not adequate. Please analyse holistically to enrich journalism that we can appreciate.
why these print media article are always like everything is happening in india is worse
Because it is
article writer is someone who left kota after a week and taken admission to private engineering college… or a backbenchers or a frustrated of study hey all you readers we are all good here in kota
Thank you for my life.
Agreeing to most of what is mentioned here, the author emphasizes on 1 in 1000, when it should be 1 in 100…a simple calculator would have avoided this error….you add NITs …dont know…some 20000 more seats so the ratio comes down to 1 in 50 odd….much better than what we faced 20 years back with 6 IITs and 3000 odd seats….plus multiple exams….life has become better with the plethora of decent colleges coming up….
Abe gadho calculations to thik Kiya Karo.
1.5 million agar 13000 seats k liye fight krrhe h to har seat k liye 100 students honge na ki 1000.
13000 seats among 1.5 million is about 1 in 115 not 1 in 1000 as the article says.
Your math is the reason you didn’t get into IIT lmao
1,500,000/13000 = ?
Use a calculator, have fun.
Very true. Sacrifice is way too high. None get rewards if they stay in INDIA. Toll on life and childhood is incomparable. Later everyone around these geniuses evolves, but they all forgot what it took to reach IIT
1.5 million divided by 13000 is 115 not 1000
Bullshit article
1.5 million (1,500,000) divided by 13000 is 115.38. Maybe you should learn basic maths before calling something bullshit
Did you read the article carefully?
You are bullshit 13000 multiplied by 115 is almost 1.5 Million
1.5 million for 13000 seats is 115 students per seat not 1000. You made mistake factor of 10 in mathematics and got impressive conclusions.
A Software Developer who had completed from an ordinary college with good skills, with good experience in his or her career is still a Developer…they don’t get chance as Higher official…to maximize they may become a Team leader…Though they have extra ordinary skills they are not given a chance as Manager…Project lead…Here there is a regression in parents that because of an ordinary college ..they are not given a chance to prove..
They want there children to touch the sky ..which they couldn’t..that is also one of the reason for compelling the kids to go for An IIT ..and achieve the best ..which a parent couldn’t achieve in their career…and motivate their children to scarify their life…..
Please correct your maths. For every seat there would be over a 100 aspirants and not 1000. 115 to be precise.
What about years of no hobby in pursuit of CA exam
There is no need to write huge articles about these things, without some basic information. It is a feudal language nation.
The desperation is to escape the Thoo level in professional live and to arrive at the Aap level. Hobbies and everything else can wait.
In medical studies also the mood is the same. However, in the case of IIT, there is a dream of escaping from this social system and being able to run off to some native English nation, possibly the US, where feudal languages are still in their budding state.
I’ll pray for your son/daughter
What do you mean by ‘feudal language nation’? I am curious.
I being a medico can totally relate to this and the caste reservations make it much more worse forus under general merit to get to our goals . It’s a rat race, you wanna study as genuinely as possible, you cannot . You need to gear up for the Rat Race that is your PG exams .That is where the whole beauty of studying dies. You cannot be a good doctor if you just study for exams . But that is where we are headed right now.
A second you doctor
Nuta bais tekade mamma tukka konai nimgini
It’s actually very correct…
Indian Constitution says that all castes and religions MUST be treated equally then for what reason the selections are based on caste..???
Only loosers who can’t crack it themselves will say so. I am an IIT grad, had an amazing fun childhood with many friends who are still around and I am a national level badminton player. IIT doesn’t have anything to do with not having friends or a life.
I attest to Cyan’s sentiment. In fact many of my classmates at IIT have varied interests including music, sports, quizzes, social service etc. This article does not reflect the IITans I grew up with.
There is a seven letter word : humility. Not all people would be as privileged as you and they struggle as mentioned above.
Is that why you called these people “loosers”? ???
I don’t think so. It is a 100% lie form your side
Tu rarest mey sey rare he re baba…..
You are talking like chatur of 3 idiots?.
You shouldn’t be so harsh. Not qualifying jee doesn’t mean they are losers. I am also an IITian but I m not bragging this as an achievement to taunt someone and what is use of such achievement to demean someone.
This clearly clarifies the kind of social skills you are having .
Just so you know, dear IITian, every human being has different brain capacity, social skills, family situation, friend circle and much more. You should consider yourself lucky to get want to want without losing anything. You may have cracked one of the toughest exams in the world and became a topper, but you miserably failed to have the toughest skill any human must have, POLITENESS. Which genius tutor of yours taught you to call other aspirants “losers” without knowing their situation? You are just lucky (and talented ofc) but severely lack empathy, this is what your IITian brain did this to you, thus proved the correctness of this article. 🙂
Well said totally agreed
Your attitude and calling others “losers” is enough to show what an amazing childhood you had
Very well said Person !
Cyan’s swagger and utter lack of humility is the last thing I would want to see in a young man or woman. Sadly, in many instances Indian parenting encourages precisely this type of arrogance and bluster.
Excuss me sir! Excpetions are always there. Last week i saw a 13 yr kid preparing for jee. Skipping his playing time.
well said. may be they restricting themselves involving in other fun, sports, family get together etc., everything can be managed. only thing is their willingness, involvement.
Speak for yourself Cyan. Your anecdotal experience cannot be generalised.
And heard of the word “humility” ?
Mr. Cyan, you do realise you may be an exception? The article does not suggest all IITians are socially inept and have lost childhoods; rather, that most, unlike exceptions (or, exceptional) such as yourself, go through the grind described in the article.
This article in itself is a overreaction… if u study ur syllabus gradually over a course of time it is not that big a deal to get in to iit… those who say it is impossible to get in without losing ur childhood are all lazy folks who doesn’t want to commit to their studies. If u don’t have conviction definitely u won’t reach the top..
Don’t act like a kid if you were having good circumstances that doesn’t mean that everyone out there is having the same life this article refers to the vast majority of students who are suffering out their due to various kind of problems like parental pressure, peer pressure ,etc. Not everyone out there is having the same ambition of entering a medical or engineering college due to this unguided rat race many have lost their ambitions if you are having enough resources that doesn’t mean that everyone is having them out there
+1
Good reply
Yes you are right… But let’s take up a probable factor… Suppose a student who falls under the mediocre class, in his high school days didn’t study regularly probably because he was lazy or he perhaps didn’t know that he would eventually got attracted to neet jee… But in due course of time when he reached 11 or 12 he happens to find out that he desperately wanted to be either a doctor or an engineer…. In this case to make up for the time he had wasted he started to prepare for jee and neet like hell…. Will your views be applicable in this case…
Come on let’s get to know each other more….
Maybe an online friend will be amazing….
Lmaoo if my dad saw this….
It’s going to get worse as the population explosion continues in India.
Well said!
We live but to suffer. -iit aspirant.
Preparing for such exams, at least students will keep away from wasting time totally absorbed into entertainment world, and reading about movie actors actresses and or imbibe smoking, drinking, indulge in other adolescent activities joining with wrong companions / friends.
Training your mind to learn is no way unhealthy, especially in crucial development phase.
Not everyone wants to become movie artiste or RJ or TV anchors. For a Math oriented person it is a joy solving a math problem. For instance, Physics understanding the abstract concepts and solving numerical problems gives immense joy closer to understanding our own inner Self.
“Math oriented person” – well kids are being made math oriented so that they can prepare for JEE. That’s probably not their inherent orientation to begin with. It’s more about getting a good job than learning math to solve math problems. It’s like saying during the admission rounds that you want to take up Chemical Engg because you have passion for chemistry and love for engineering blah blah but as soon as the kid graduates, it’s an IT job that’s being chased. Why? Because core jobs don’t pay half as much.
Also, 100,000 kids are math oriented? Then why is India’s ranking at IMO so poor? China and USA are far ahead. If your kid is math oriented s/he should take up math, and not other vocational streams in the name of “they too use math.” On the flipside some of the kids that go to MIT , Princeton or Tshingua are far better at math as a cohort than those at IIT. Which is why those countries are ahead of India at IMO. Despite which those kids also pursue hobbies and more well rounded than thier Indian counteparts. The truth is India has far fewer opportunities for anyone who is not an IITan. Much much fewer for those who are not engineers. It’s not so in other countries. Parents jn India are not ready to assume the risk in behalf of their kids to allow them to pursue other careers like acting, dancing or sports. This has caused a pseudo jam for admissions at premier engineering colleges. Of course, there are exceptions but v v few as a Percentage of the population.
Having prepared for the exam myself and being in an IIT now I still beg to differ. The way jee aspirants are taught it isn’t about brain training or scientific learning. It is nearly rote learning or solving a plethora of nearly the same questions in order to get acquainted. Solving questions is not physics. The joy of self discovery of a concept or to dwell deeper into a concept or topic , something which we did in our junior classes is nearly prohibited. The coaching centres focus on formulas and solving a question. If someone seems very interested in a particular topic so as to study it further we are discouraged to do so saying IT IS MERELY A WASTE OF TIME!!!!! FOR JEE preparation most students take dummy schools and miss out on school life and many don’t even perform practicals. Imagine an engineering aspirant who just mugged up methods for practical to save time for practicing and understanding the practical. Many don’t make files. For two years they neglect language and hence lose confidence. School life is important because the coaching environment is not friendly and due to the stress from family, coaching a child self doubts his/her abilities. Performing well in JEE is not connected with how smart, intelligent or scientifically inclined one is. It is merely how much hard work and rote learning one does.
External knowledge cannot lead to inner knowledge!
Self-knowledge is revealed only when you unlearn all knowledge from outside. That is the truth.
We live but to suffer. (-X01,FIITJEE)
We need politicians, authors, poets, thinkers, philosophers, journalists, sportsmen, athletes
But over emphasized science education, will not be good for tomorrow’s generation. No balance between selection and implementation. Everything is forced and compelled, no our students need selection and freedom to select the right course
Jai Hind
To everybody who keeps saying that ,getting that this article is to support ppl who weren’t able to get a seat because they were mediocre ,shame on you ! Not everybody has the ability to win this rat race even if they give it their all ,Do you mean that just cuz they weren’t able to pass an examination, they are meant to suffer and deserve the said suffering?!!!!
A very good article indeed
This Kota factory as well learning coding in early age is a serious issues. We need emphasize on creativity, innovation & knowledge. But Indian education system is not functioning on the core. These premium institute should have more seats as well as parents should be aware of diversification of subjects matter. Only IIT or medicos doesn’t have bright future. Our children needs a valuable life to have the harmony life with nature.
Thank you for saying this.
इसे कहते है हमारी गवर्मेन्ट का हमारे पैर पे कुल्हाड़ी मारना?
Oh so blame govt for the rat race that we willingly participate in?
Govt doesnt force you to run in the rat race…
I have friends who gave up few years of their life for getting into IITs today they are decades ahead in everything that matters. They live like princes and have fantastic opportunities and enviable lives. This article is written for those who can feel happy to live in mediocracy
Why don’t you ask your “friends” if they were really interested in engg or the field of engg they choose. Or they like it. All the money in the world doesn’t mean anything if you don’t enjoy the work you’re doing.
BTW from my childhood I have always been fascinated and amazed by computers which is why I studied from 3rd tier college just to learn computers, get good pay and enjoy the work i do.
Please talk something about the problems that online classes are posing on student’s of country’s premier institutions be it iit,nit or anything else. We are getting 90% marks with 0% knowledge now even some IITs are running practical lab courses online. Now when government has reopened everything, they are doing rallys with lakhs of gatherings, opened schools then why can’t they open IITs.
We sacrifice our childhood to get a prized seat in IIT
to just sit in front of screen and professors just scrolling the PDFs. Are they not able to manage or they don’t want to, I doubt on the intension’s of this goverment do they want all of us to be like their illiterate ministers.
I believe The Print is very responsible news paper and specially when it comes to adress student issues.
It’s the story that no Indian parent cares about. There’s no point writing about this. What could be done is improve the faculty, the facilities and most importantly the quality of education in other colleges in India, so that students like me who didn’t get into IIT are able to get a quality education and a well paying job.
bitter truth….I also lost my childhood because of this!!
If u would have actually studied in your childhood then it would have been a sweet truth .
The jee preparation is not that much intense which this article is directing and preparing it from class 8 doesn’t make sense?.There are a lot of examples of Students who starts to prepare for it from 11th and got their goal achieved by consistent hardwork and dedication.Preparation from early classes is for only those students who are really interested in science and their curiosity is that much that they can’t wait for class 11 and this only improve their skills for jee and olympiads.It is also important to mention that rank in jee advanced depends upon how much one had studied in last 2,3,4 years but mostly depends upon how a student spends last 2-3 months before jee adv.So, finally its totally a wrong myth that high performance in jee will comes from 3-4 years of preparation.Right guidance and support can make miracle
100 % agreeing with you bro ???
The pity of this is the needlessness of this competition. A smart society will provide diverse opportunity for all students in all subjects.. Education is important but Not this kind of rat race. What does this issue relate to Kumbh and Ram Manir?? Efforts wasted in non essential areas triggers a stampede here. Classic mistaken priority in a society.
To exaggerated portrayal of downside of JEE preparation. Not a fair view
Hats off to the writer ?
There is lack of job for engineers instead of doctors.. Why?.. Patients are more in India.. So india needs more hospitals therefore requirement of medical staff.. At the same time india is lacking in technology.. Therefore less job opportunity for engineers.. Govt should take a look on this matter..
Incorrect information. There is no age bar in NEET. It was stayed by the courts. Please do your research properly
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Even this thing continue after mbbs as neet pg where mbbs graduate study for years to clear even more competitive and difficult pg entance exam and don’t know what will happen if next arrives where five years of University exam’s comes into question
? that’s the saddest reality that young doctors of this generation are facing
Medical and too engineering colleges entrances have been tough due to demand supply skew, and the advantages these fields offered. What are the alternatives:
1. Ban these exams and choose students through referrals – then we risk nepotism. At least on face value the exams are fair.
2. More colleges- Many engineering seats are going empty. Supply of seats is there, but there is a scram towards the perceived top seats.
3. Lottery for seats – may reduce exam stress, but then whether would it be fair to students and institutions
4. Diversification and elevation of other branches – that is happening with time and will occur more as economy prospers. People may not need to do IIT to IIM to Finance.
Sir, With all due respect,I ask these questions out of sheer ignorance.And in good faith.Would you throw some light on them, please?
1.What IS that special-something/secret sauce
an IIT teaches its prized students that the lesser mortals in other engineering schools in India are denied or deprived of ?
2.Do the hallowed IIT Professors teach their students that there can be more than one correct answer to any problem, including the mathematical problems,logic-related problems and science-related problems,in the undeniable context of ,for example,some of Newtonian Theories &Conceptual Frameworks being disproved by Einsteinean Theories &Conceptual Postulates,and some of Einsteinean Postulates themselves now getting disproved conclusively and Einstein himself confessing towards the fag end of his illustrious life that he was not sure if he would get through,were he to write an exam in Physics or Quantum Sciences every year – ostensibly jocularly,but in truth,emphasing the ever-changing and inconclusive nature of all sciences including medical sciences,mathematics,etc.?
In which case ,what accounts for the arbitrariness of the students who don’t make the cut in prestigious, lucrative entrance exams and resign themselves to a financially, socially, materially,psychologically,maritally inferior life?
3.How conclusively and Un-Arbitrarily foolproof are the Learnings, Learning Mechanisms, Learning Outcome Evaluation Methodologies, Learning Outcome Evaluation Metrics throughout the Education System from Kindergarten to Prestigious,Halo-ed Engineering/Medical/Technology/Business/
Professional Schools throughout the world(let alone their so-called academic,social & employment-market inferiors) in the prestigious campus-placement stakes and career-ace-ing thereafter?
4.Out of the 13,000 or less that passed out of IITs every year so far,how many have turned into corporate princes and kings…how many have metamorphosed into Unicorn Entrepreneurs….how many have turned into Entrepreneurs of any significance or consequence on a global/national scale…how many of them have brought
high-wattage Glory,Fame and Fortune to their Motherland that fondly and hugely subsidized their hallowed education…how many of them have enriched their Motherland with their life-altering consistent contributions that benefit the country at large, qualitatively enhancing the general standard of living of their fellow
Rural-Urban-Agrarian brethren and sisters,take or leave a Sunder Pichchai or Narayana Murthy or two?
If I have offended your sensibilities or sensitivities in any way,it was inadvertent and I sincerely seek your indulgence.
Regards,
Extremely aggreed
Wow..you are one butthurt individual
Those graduates do what they feel like.
And also there is a difference in perspective of the students due to the proffesors working there, THAT is where the difference lies, there is no special ‘sauce’.
When ones goal is to get into an iit, one is bound to feel empty inside if he does manage to get in. The kind of parents that force their children through this hopefully dies out with this generation of parents . I world ask my children to think twice before becoming an engineer. Especially when the go to goal is a job at a “prestigious” mnc. No wonder so many iitians wander out of their field in search of fulfilment.
The really appreciate the effort you put in writing this article. This is the first article I’ve seen saying the sad reality of preparing for JEE Mains. I attempted two exams this year and it was really difficult because of the pandemic. But people say everyone struggled and went through the same road, the answer is no. People have different abilities and skills and that is what makes us unique from others. Thank you so much for making this article.
It is the mistake of the student or his parents to put him into JEE when his aptitude is something else. Don’t blame the system— Indians should be proud of IIT JEE ,considered toughest competitive exam in the world.
The sort of lament which this article indulges in is best addressed to parents.
Parents need to be counselled that their children are simply not capable of joining the IITs or of surviving there.
Parents need to be told that they should let their children lead normal lives and that they should be happy with whatever their child achieves.
Children need to be told that the world is a complex place. That while they may be good at something they may not necessarily be good at science technology and mathematics. As it is most children in India study Arts subjects. They should be taught the Gita and the lesson that they should be happy in whatever they do.
Luck take away man from here to there.
This article is written in very negative light. Competitive spirit is an very important trait and that is what this exam inculcates in students right from their childhood.
Not everyone deserves a seat in IIT’s, it is for best of the best.
Our son , appeared for this exam and secured a 2 digit rank in JEE Mains and an upmarket 3 digit rank in JEE advanced and got into IIT Delhi in a top ranking branch.It was his very first attempt. He just prepared for 2 years and did not miss a single IPL game when the exam was so near.
He played the sport of his choice and just had to be disciplined.
In my view this exam teaches students the importance of remaining focused, competing and also concentrating on something they want to do.
Like everyone can’t be a fighter pilot everyone can’t be an IITian.