Upper caste woke Indians are perturbed by the murder of George Floyd in the US. But can we imagine them joining Dalits in the fight to end caste supremacy in India?
The civil aviation ministry could have recognised the enormity of the Air India crash and prepared the AAIB and its investigating team for its sensitivities.
Mini deal will likely see no cut in 10% baseline tariff on Indian exports announced by Trump on 2 April, it is learnt, but additional 26% tariffs are set to be reduced.
India-Russia JV is also racing to deliver 7,000 more AK-203 assault rifles by 15 Aug. These are currently being made with 50% indigenisation and this will surge to 100% by 31 December.
Public, loud, upfront, filled with impropriety and high praise sometimes laced with insults. This is what we call Trumplomacy. But the larger objective is the same: American supremacy.
Because most of indians who go to USA are from Upper Caste community.
They face RACISM when they go to USA.
Few years ago Shilpa Shetty had to face the same.
Hypocrisy at its best.
Reservation is not meant for solving unemployment .It is for representation of the deprived in the state administration .
However reservation benefits should be limited to 2 generation of a family . The next generation should be excluded from reservation and be treated as general category .So that cornering reservation tradionally by few sub castes could be avoided .
Unless and untill this baman and mythology stories are there in India its not possible..
Because science graduate we become but we don’t want to realise the truth which is practical comparing to the stories which is illogical.
One of the basic premise of the ‘black lives matter’ agitation is equality. Whereas, in India, most of the agitation by SC, ST or OBC, is not for equality. It is for reservation – in education, in jobs, in promotion. Each attempt to fight for such reservation on the grounds of caste simply reiterates and enforces the belief that such castes are inferior, that they cannot compete at par. Now, when any person or group voluntarily agitates for classifying themselves as backward or inferior, it is difficult for anyone else to convince them that they are equal. This is not to say that benefit should not be given to the marginalized. Of course socio-economic barriers exist and everyone should get access to a good education, jobs, equal opportunity. However, if we wish to genuinely eliminate caste, then caste needs to be taken out of this equation. Eg. Give additional points for children studying in government schools, more points for schools in rural areas and more for tribal areas, additional points for children whose parents are working as manual labour, who are below certain income level, or where parents are uneducated. Let all these points be added to a child’s score and let that child be given preference over another coming from a private, urban school and privileged background. Once we add such layers for addressing socio-economic inequality, each child will earn their seat on merit. Let the educational institutions give scholarships to help children from underprivileged backgrounds and let the fees be recovered from others studying in that educational institution or by grants from corporates. There are many corporates who can support underprivileged children as part of their CSR.
Similarly, all government jobs are based on entrance exams. Let these also have similar extra points for education, parental background, residence etc at an entry level. Thereafter, let everything be on merit.
When we start taking caste out of the equation, we will achieve equality. However, if certain castes insist on proclaiming generation after generation their own inferiority and inability to compete at every step of the way, it is futile to blame anyone for their predicament. In fact, it dilutes the achievements of truly meritorious students and hardworking employees within their own group. Even though such student or employee may have earned the seat or promotion on merit, their achievements are tarnished/ diluted with the ‘reservation’ tag, which can be very demoralising and further lead to inferiority complex.
As regards other instances quoted by the author – rape, murder, lynching, assault – these need to be protested against, but not because the victim was a dalit or scheduled caste but because he or she is/ was a human being. These are acts against humanity and need to be treated as such.
One of the basic premise of the ‘black lives matter’ agitation is equality. Whereas, in India, most of the agitation by any reserved class, be it SC, ST or OBC, is not for equality. It is for reservation – in education, in jobs, in promotion. Each attempt to fight for such reservation on the grounds of caste simply reiterates and enforces the belief that such castes are inferior, that they cannot compete at par. Now when any person or group voluntarily agitates for classifying themselves as backward or inferior, it is difficult to sympathize with them. This is not to say that benefit should not be given to the marginalized. Of course socio-economic barriers exist and everyone should get access to a good education, jobs, equal opportunity. However, if we wish to genuinely eliminate caste, then caste needs to be taken out of this equation. Eg. Give additional points for children studying in government schools, more points for schools in rural areas and more for tribal areas, additional points for children whose parents are working as manual labour, who are below certain income level, or where parents are uneducated. Let all these points be added to a child’s score and let that child be given preference over another coming from a private, urban school and privileged background. Once we add such layers for addressing socio-economic inequality, each child will earn their seat on merit. Let the educational institutions give scholarships to help children from underprivileged backgrounds and let the fees be recovered from others studying in that educational institution or by grants from corporates. There are many corporates who can support underprivileged children as part of their CSR.
Similarly, all government jobs are based on entrance exams. Let these also have similar extra points for education, parental background, residence etc at an entry level. Thereafter, let everything be on merit.
When we start taking caste out of the equation, we will achieve equality. However, if certain castes insist on proclaiming their own inferiority and inability to compete at every step of the way, it is futile to blame anyone for their predicament. In fact it dilutes the truly meritorious students and hardworking employees within their own group. Even though such student or employee may have earned the seat or promotion on merit, their achievements are tarnished/ diluted with the ‘reservation’ tag, which can be very demoralising and further lead to inferiority complex.
As regards other instances quoted by the author – rape, murder, lynching, assault – these need to be protested against, but not because the victim was a dalit or scheduled caste but because he or she was a human being. These are acts against humanity and need to be treated as such.
Poor आशुतोष बाजपेई.
Please take a look at your scriptures which Hindus consider divine. They are not divine they are product of concoction, fabrication and deception and what are there for the lowest strata of the society?
So, you feel angered at the attack against तिलक तराजू और तलवार.
Many Hindus, with modern education and learning, live in the caves yet.
Why do you think the poor among Savarna castes donot deserve helping hand from the government? It is highly contradictory. And you speak as though hatred against dalita is direct hatred. It is not. The scriptures which have advocated hatred have been banned a long time ago.
When Swamijis got murdered in Maharashtra is SC/ST /OBCs are doing any Dharna or protest since they constitute majority in India we have to abolish caste system no.Get the data if possible with out data you can claim what you are claiming from past 65 years. Instead blaming others do some introspection.
Inconsistencies galore in the article. You claim whites are a majority. Shows that you see the world in black and white. The truth is that the white people are already less than 50% of the US population. So your argument is moot. Secondly the question why no upper caste has come forward in India. Many have. Even Kanshi Ram was a brahmin. So was Ram Mohan Roy. But I guess the author is himself struck with the disease he blames the upper castes to have – that of internal limitations due to membership of a group. I guess that too must be the reason why he has never written about talented poor kids from ‘upper castes’ losing opportunity due to reservations. I guess it cuts both ways sir.
How come there is so much violence against sadhus by muslims. Remember you are talking about muslims who dont even consider you as their part. How come abdul kalam even though muslim became president of a nation which is called to be intolerant by you? How come there is love jihaad all over india. How come our sacred cows killed by bloody jihadis?
Yes, it was upper castes, like Gandhi, Lohia and countless others, who fought for Dalits’ rights.
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Sanatanist Gandhi fought for dalit rights?
We are stopped from competing on half the seats and you want us to join you in upholding this discriminatory policy. You should be working towards trying to stop branding everyone by their caste instead. Work at the grassroots to stop casteism by removing the reservation system which reminds us every generation that our efforts are worth less than SC/ST.
first learn the history of why black people came and their role in americas independence. They did Nothing
2 ) Andrew floyd got murdered that is wrong BUT isn’t it bigger wrong to produce Fake receipts and bills . Thus andrew wasn’t Innocent either .3) Caste system is NOT anyway concerned and similar than racism. Racism is on color Caste system is misconstrued by By birth . That means even a Fair looking Dalit will be mistreated than a black Brahmin . In US racism has come as blacks try to overpower a country which was discovered by a white got independence from english due to whites . Don’t forget that . Priyanka chopra and pichai are doing coz they want mileage being Non whites . Sundar pichai wants more IIT graduates to come and hijack roles and Priyanka wants to get in Hollywood rather staying as a Saas bahu Telestar that too the role given to her in Quantico was meant for an South Asian only . They are using this race thing for their own interest.
Are you illiterate or mentally ill? Blacks tried to overpower the country? Do you even know anything about the history of USA or the Blacks? You sound like a person who dropped out if school in the 2nd standard.
And producing fake receipt is bigger crime than a murder??
You should go to a doctor, you’re mentally unstable.
You are always obsessed with casteism. Learn from ambedkar.
Only one if a family should get reservation for one or two generations as all are cornered by a few literate families, depriving others among them who are less privileged. Already most govt offices are full of reserved categories that led Patels kind of agitations of Gujarat. They should give chance less privileged among them.
Reservation is only 50%. Backwards are 65% .of the total population . 35% of upper castes get 50% of jobs while 65% backwards get only 50% jobs .Yet upper castes make hues and cries .In my openion reservation should be given to every caste in propotion to the percentage of population,whether forward or backwards ,to assure due representation for each caste in administration .
Yes.Evry one resist if one losses one’s benefits. Ambedkar thought that 10 years reservations is enough. Though he might have gone wrong in calculating only 10 years reservation but, what about 70,80 and permanent reservation that they want , by brow beating parties and not applying creamy layer thus depriving the less privileged of among themselves the benefits and opposing Madigas when they are fighting their part in total reservation for themselves and even attacking them. All being said if population is not controlled any amount of reservations could not employ all. Even rich countries like Amrica has unemployment problem.
क्योंकि वहां अश्वेत किसी भी श्वेत को टारगेट करके प्रदर्शन नहीं करते हैं लेकिन हमारे देश में अगर कोई भी दलित प्रदर्शन या रैली हो तो उसमे तो सवर्णों के लिए अभद्र टिप्पणी लिख के पोस्टर लाते हैं और नारे लगाते हैं, जैसे तिलक तराजू और तलवार इनके मारो जूते चार या ब्राह्मण लोग विदेशी हैं इनका खून यूरेशी है।
You have hit the nail on its head. The great religion that we practice: a way of life, oppressing the dalit and the adivasis. No one wants to talk about casteism in our country.
The author also needs to look down south where the impoverished castes were promoted to improve their status by leaders of the upper castes , particularly in Tamizh Nadu way before such thought took roots in the north. Caste annihilation, women’s emancipation and self respect were some of the hall marks of such a movement.
Lol TN is the worst place for DALIT to live it’s a casteist state where honor killing happen every week
Very true Mandal-ji. Just as we women cannot trust men to be our spokes-people, so too can dalits not trust any one else to articulate their struggle. Yet, in all your (justified) bitterness, you know very well that there HAVE been UC women and men who have stood with dalits, and muslims, just like men have stood up for women’s struggles throughout history. just like dalits have stood up for muslims and muslims for dalits. and therein lies our only hope of salvation – only hope of building a future together. if we reject each other’s help (even if meager, and even if necessarily incomplete) , we shall be forever trapped in a vicious circle of hate and violence.
Someone pointed out dalit-muslims relationship , I like to say ,read what happened to jogendarnath mandala who joined Pakistan .
What happened to dalits in kashmir ,their constitution legitimized discrimination agaisnt them.
Hindus who want citizenship through C.A.A ,more than 90% of them are dalit.
So it’s important to rethink on dalit-Muslim relation
Wrong comparison. Issues in the US are different than that of India.
In no way can white ‘race’ can be compared to savarnas — there is no ‘race’ called savarnas in India. DNA analysis has proved that Indians have no different DNA from each other from north to south.
I do agree with the article and Mr virendra Kumar.There are more things and complex one which we are not considering in our system which instead of enabling good relation between hierarchies are more seperating and segregating them.The reservation is itself has become a issue in itself.It is definitely true that our society need reservation for marginalized.bt the definition of marginalized people is not comprehensive when it comes to policy making.it is divided on caste,income criteria.may be that was one of the reason for caste like Marathas are agitating.The caste base reservation has forgotten the economically backwards.And those from upper caste but very poor feel agitated by this and such kind of examples and complexities fueled by the politics throught the country is not enabling the the support that supressed class need.Other reasons include the lack of information.There is wide assumption that Ambedkar wanted to keep reservation for few years and then political parties extended it further.Thus have become a reason for “majority bashing”.This has being printed on the minds on youth trough politics and their own raw understanding without any clarification.
The history is also the reason which we saw in case if bhima koregaon.we cannot directly compare our system with what whites do etc. Given the complexity and lack of understanding of our own system. the super lack of will power to correct the balance and vested interests which exploits the loopholes further worsening this.
Though I agree that it is right of minorities to be vocal and when you feel insecure unsafe with lack of trust in society itself the things turn violent.it will be the wrong if we as a society will blame minority for being violent.The education and wisdom is only the key.
Mr. Mandal is up to his usual second rate tricks of trying to establish tenuous links between unrelated events and finally connect it to his pet peeve – his hatred of India and Hindus.
The author claims to be a former managing editor of India Today Hindi. But from the quality of his thoughts he was better suited to be an office cleaner rather than a “managing editor’.
While I agree with most of the points made by you, there is a valid reason for the upper castes not to participate in Dalit protests. Most of the upper castes feel that in spite of reservation and so many privileges and support of the government, Dalits are yet to come up, in fact, there is a group of Dalits who have cornered all the benefits of facilities given by the government and now they have developed the vested interest in its continuation. As a group, Dalits are the most vocal and most violent and are perceived to take the system for granted. In this violence, they usually get the support of anti-national forces. That is the perception of a major part of society. Now, in addition to that, there are instances in Maharastra where Dalits have perpetuated violence on other sections of society and police cases are there. All these factors have ensured that slowly and steadily they have lost the support of those people who genuinely do want to support them.
The literate of them cornering all the benefits by depriving less privileged among themselves benefit of it. Having fought and got benefits they are opposing and even attacking Madigas when they want their part of total reservation. Such is their hypocrisy. Being some of them well of they claim all the benefits by showing some who are less developed and a one or two stray incidents and use people extract more benefits which they again corner by depriving less privileged among themselves. At times they demean even country by depicting condemnable stray incidents as if happening many to put victim fix and extract more benefits and try to divide Hindus by encouraging conversions into now new found Buddhism only to increase vote share and get political mileage and if possible power as Mayavati etc did and do.
Because most of indians who go to USA are from Upper Caste community.
They face RACISM when they go to USA.
Few years ago Shilpa Shetty had to face the same.
Hypocrisy at its best.
Reservation is not meant for solving unemployment .It is for representation of the deprived in the state administration .
However reservation benefits should be limited to 2 generation of a family . The next generation should be excluded from reservation and be treated as general category .So that cornering reservation tradionally by few sub castes could be avoided .
Unless and untill this baman and mythology stories are there in India its not possible..
Because science graduate we become but we don’t want to realise the truth which is practical comparing to the stories which is illogical.
One of the basic premise of the ‘black lives matter’ agitation is equality. Whereas, in India, most of the agitation by SC, ST or OBC, is not for equality. It is for reservation – in education, in jobs, in promotion. Each attempt to fight for such reservation on the grounds of caste simply reiterates and enforces the belief that such castes are inferior, that they cannot compete at par. Now, when any person or group voluntarily agitates for classifying themselves as backward or inferior, it is difficult for anyone else to convince them that they are equal. This is not to say that benefit should not be given to the marginalized. Of course socio-economic barriers exist and everyone should get access to a good education, jobs, equal opportunity. However, if we wish to genuinely eliminate caste, then caste needs to be taken out of this equation. Eg. Give additional points for children studying in government schools, more points for schools in rural areas and more for tribal areas, additional points for children whose parents are working as manual labour, who are below certain income level, or where parents are uneducated. Let all these points be added to a child’s score and let that child be given preference over another coming from a private, urban school and privileged background. Once we add such layers for addressing socio-economic inequality, each child will earn their seat on merit. Let the educational institutions give scholarships to help children from underprivileged backgrounds and let the fees be recovered from others studying in that educational institution or by grants from corporates. There are many corporates who can support underprivileged children as part of their CSR.
Similarly, all government jobs are based on entrance exams. Let these also have similar extra points for education, parental background, residence etc at an entry level. Thereafter, let everything be on merit.
When we start taking caste out of the equation, we will achieve equality. However, if certain castes insist on proclaiming generation after generation their own inferiority and inability to compete at every step of the way, it is futile to blame anyone for their predicament. In fact, it dilutes the achievements of truly meritorious students and hardworking employees within their own group. Even though such student or employee may have earned the seat or promotion on merit, their achievements are tarnished/ diluted with the ‘reservation’ tag, which can be very demoralising and further lead to inferiority complex.
As regards other instances quoted by the author – rape, murder, lynching, assault – these need to be protested against, but not because the victim was a dalit or scheduled caste but because he or she is/ was a human being. These are acts against humanity and need to be treated as such.
One of the basic premise of the ‘black lives matter’ agitation is equality. Whereas, in India, most of the agitation by any reserved class, be it SC, ST or OBC, is not for equality. It is for reservation – in education, in jobs, in promotion. Each attempt to fight for such reservation on the grounds of caste simply reiterates and enforces the belief that such castes are inferior, that they cannot compete at par. Now when any person or group voluntarily agitates for classifying themselves as backward or inferior, it is difficult to sympathize with them. This is not to say that benefit should not be given to the marginalized. Of course socio-economic barriers exist and everyone should get access to a good education, jobs, equal opportunity. However, if we wish to genuinely eliminate caste, then caste needs to be taken out of this equation. Eg. Give additional points for children studying in government schools, more points for schools in rural areas and more for tribal areas, additional points for children whose parents are working as manual labour, who are below certain income level, or where parents are uneducated. Let all these points be added to a child’s score and let that child be given preference over another coming from a private, urban school and privileged background. Once we add such layers for addressing socio-economic inequality, each child will earn their seat on merit. Let the educational institutions give scholarships to help children from underprivileged backgrounds and let the fees be recovered from others studying in that educational institution or by grants from corporates. There are many corporates who can support underprivileged children as part of their CSR.
Similarly, all government jobs are based on entrance exams. Let these also have similar extra points for education, parental background, residence etc at an entry level. Thereafter, let everything be on merit.
When we start taking caste out of the equation, we will achieve equality. However, if certain castes insist on proclaiming their own inferiority and inability to compete at every step of the way, it is futile to blame anyone for their predicament. In fact it dilutes the truly meritorious students and hardworking employees within their own group. Even though such student or employee may have earned the seat or promotion on merit, their achievements are tarnished/ diluted with the ‘reservation’ tag, which can be very demoralising and further lead to inferiority complex.
As regards other instances quoted by the author – rape, murder, lynching, assault – these need to be protested against, but not because the victim was a dalit or scheduled caste but because he or she was a human being. These are acts against humanity and need to be treated as such.
Poor आशुतोष बाजपेई.
Please take a look at your scriptures which Hindus consider divine. They are not divine they are product of concoction, fabrication and deception and what are there for the lowest strata of the society?
So, you feel angered at the attack against तिलक तराजू और तलवार.
Many Hindus, with modern education and learning, live in the caves yet.
Nothing can be shameless than a person even after rising to average social status when a person still projects oneself as dalit and spread hate.
How come will we ahmedis get rid of sunni oppressors.??
????
Can low caste people come forward an talk about how we upper caste loose so many jobs / medical seats due to ginkcuf caste reservation.bloody post.
Why do you think the poor among Savarna castes donot deserve helping hand from the government? It is highly contradictory. And you speak as though hatred against dalita is direct hatred. It is not. The scriptures which have advocated hatred have been banned a long time ago.
Kashmiri pandito pe bhi bol le koi dalit kyu nahi nikala streets pe jab unhe mara gaya to pandit kyu aayenge tumhare support mai
When Swamijis got murdered in Maharashtra is SC/ST /OBCs are doing any Dharna or protest since they constitute majority in India we have to abolish caste system no.Get the data if possible with out data you can claim what you are claiming from past 65 years. Instead blaming others do some introspection.
Inconsistencies galore in the article. You claim whites are a majority. Shows that you see the world in black and white. The truth is that the white people are already less than 50% of the US population. So your argument is moot. Secondly the question why no upper caste has come forward in India. Many have. Even Kanshi Ram was a brahmin. So was Ram Mohan Roy. But I guess the author is himself struck with the disease he blames the upper castes to have – that of internal limitations due to membership of a group. I guess that too must be the reason why he has never written about talented poor kids from ‘upper castes’ losing opportunity due to reservations. I guess it cuts both ways sir.
How come there is no outrage against the mob lynching, riots and mistreatment of Muslims in India?
How come there is so much violence against sadhus by muslims. Remember you are talking about muslims who dont even consider you as their part. How come abdul kalam even though muslim became president of a nation which is called to be intolerant by you? How come there is love jihaad all over india. How come our sacred cows killed by bloody jihadis?
Yes, it was upper castes, like Gandhi, Lohia and countless others, who fought for Dalits’ rights.
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Sanatanist Gandhi fought for dalit rights?
We are stopped from competing on half the seats and you want us to join you in upholding this discriminatory policy. You should be working towards trying to stop branding everyone by their caste instead. Work at the grassroots to stop casteism by removing the reservation system which reminds us every generation that our efforts are worth less than SC/ST.
Correct
first learn the history of why black people came and their role in americas independence. They did Nothing
2 ) Andrew floyd got murdered that is wrong BUT isn’t it bigger wrong to produce Fake receipts and bills . Thus andrew wasn’t Innocent either .3) Caste system is NOT anyway concerned and similar than racism. Racism is on color Caste system is misconstrued by By birth . That means even a Fair looking Dalit will be mistreated than a black Brahmin . In US racism has come as blacks try to overpower a country which was discovered by a white got independence from english due to whites . Don’t forget that . Priyanka chopra and pichai are doing coz they want mileage being Non whites . Sundar pichai wants more IIT graduates to come and hijack roles and Priyanka wants to get in Hollywood rather staying as a Saas bahu Telestar that too the role given to her in Quantico was meant for an South Asian only . They are using this race thing for their own interest.
Are you illiterate or mentally ill? Blacks tried to overpower the country? Do you even know anything about the history of USA or the Blacks? You sound like a person who dropped out if school in the 2nd standard.
And producing fake receipt is bigger crime than a murder??
You should go to a doctor, you’re mentally unstable.
You are always obsessed with casteism. Learn from ambedkar.
Only one if a family should get reservation for one or two generations as all are cornered by a few literate families, depriving others among them who are less privileged. Already most govt offices are full of reserved categories that led Patels kind of agitations of Gujarat. They should give chance less privileged among them.
Reservation is only 50%. Backwards are 65% .of the total population . 35% of upper castes get 50% of jobs while 65% backwards get only 50% jobs .Yet upper castes make hues and cries .In my openion reservation should be given to every caste in propotion to the percentage of population,whether forward or backwards ,to assure due representation for each caste in administration .
Yes.Evry one resist if one losses one’s benefits. Ambedkar thought that 10 years reservations is enough. Though he might have gone wrong in calculating only 10 years reservation but, what about 70,80 and permanent reservation that they want , by brow beating parties and not applying creamy layer thus depriving the less privileged of among themselves the benefits and opposing Madigas when they are fighting their part in total reservation for themselves and even attacking them. All being said if population is not controlled any amount of reservations could not employ all. Even rich countries like Amrica has unemployment problem.
क्योंकि वहां अश्वेत किसी भी श्वेत को टारगेट करके प्रदर्शन नहीं करते हैं लेकिन हमारे देश में अगर कोई भी दलित प्रदर्शन या रैली हो तो उसमे तो सवर्णों के लिए अभद्र टिप्पणी लिख के पोस्टर लाते हैं और नारे लगाते हैं, जैसे तिलक तराजू और तलवार इनके मारो जूते चार या ब्राह्मण लोग विदेशी हैं इनका खून यूरेशी है।
You have hit the nail on its head. The great religion that we practice: a way of life, oppressing the dalit and the adivasis. No one wants to talk about casteism in our country.
The author also needs to look down south where the impoverished castes were promoted to improve their status by leaders of the upper castes , particularly in Tamizh Nadu way before such thought took roots in the north. Caste annihilation, women’s emancipation and self respect were some of the hall marks of such a movement.
Lol TN is the worst place for DALIT to live it’s a casteist state where honor killing happen every week
Very true Mandal-ji. Just as we women cannot trust men to be our spokes-people, so too can dalits not trust any one else to articulate their struggle. Yet, in all your (justified) bitterness, you know very well that there HAVE been UC women and men who have stood with dalits, and muslims, just like men have stood up for women’s struggles throughout history. just like dalits have stood up for muslims and muslims for dalits. and therein lies our only hope of salvation – only hope of building a future together. if we reject each other’s help (even if meager, and even if necessarily incomplete) , we shall be forever trapped in a vicious circle of hate and violence.
Someone pointed out dalit-muslims relationship , I like to say ,read what happened to jogendarnath mandala who joined Pakistan .
What happened to dalits in kashmir ,their constitution legitimized discrimination agaisnt them.
Hindus who want citizenship through C.A.A ,more than 90% of them are dalit.
So it’s important to rethink on dalit-Muslim relation
Wrong comparison. Issues in the US are different than that of India.
In no way can white ‘race’ can be compared to savarnas — there is no ‘race’ called savarnas in India. DNA analysis has proved that Indians have no different DNA from each other from north to south.
where can I find this analysis?
I do agree with the article and Mr virendra Kumar.There are more things and complex one which we are not considering in our system which instead of enabling good relation between hierarchies are more seperating and segregating them.The reservation is itself has become a issue in itself.It is definitely true that our society need reservation for marginalized.bt the definition of marginalized people is not comprehensive when it comes to policy making.it is divided on caste,income criteria.may be that was one of the reason for caste like Marathas are agitating.The caste base reservation has forgotten the economically backwards.And those from upper caste but very poor feel agitated by this and such kind of examples and complexities fueled by the politics throught the country is not enabling the the support that supressed class need.Other reasons include the lack of information.There is wide assumption that Ambedkar wanted to keep reservation for few years and then political parties extended it further.Thus have become a reason for “majority bashing”.This has being printed on the minds on youth trough politics and their own raw understanding without any clarification.
The history is also the reason which we saw in case if bhima koregaon.we cannot directly compare our system with what whites do etc. Given the complexity and lack of understanding of our own system. the super lack of will power to correct the balance and vested interests which exploits the loopholes further worsening this.
Though I agree that it is right of minorities to be vocal and when you feel insecure unsafe with lack of trust in society itself the things turn violent.it will be the wrong if we as a society will blame minority for being violent.The education and wisdom is only the key.
Mr. Mandal is up to his usual second rate tricks of trying to establish tenuous links between unrelated events and finally connect it to his pet peeve – his hatred of India and Hindus.
The author claims to be a former managing editor of India Today Hindi. But from the quality of his thoughts he was better suited to be an office cleaner rather than a “managing editor’.
Dilip this is one of the few coming from Congress paid The Print’ is balanced and covers our India issues.
While I agree with most of the points made by you, there is a valid reason for the upper castes not to participate in Dalit protests. Most of the upper castes feel that in spite of reservation and so many privileges and support of the government, Dalits are yet to come up, in fact, there is a group of Dalits who have cornered all the benefits of facilities given by the government and now they have developed the vested interest in its continuation. As a group, Dalits are the most vocal and most violent and are perceived to take the system for granted. In this violence, they usually get the support of anti-national forces. That is the perception of a major part of society. Now, in addition to that, there are instances in Maharastra where Dalits have perpetuated violence on other sections of society and police cases are there. All these factors have ensured that slowly and steadily they have lost the support of those people who genuinely do want to support them.
The literate of them cornering all the benefits by depriving less privileged among themselves benefit of it. Having fought and got benefits they are opposing and even attacking Madigas when they want their part of total reservation. Such is their hypocrisy. Being some of them well of they claim all the benefits by showing some who are less developed and a one or two stray incidents and use people extract more benefits which they again corner by depriving less privileged among themselves. At times they demean even country by depicting condemnable stray incidents as if happening many to put victim fix and extract more benefits and try to divide Hindus by encouraging conversions into now new found Buddhism only to increase vote share and get political mileage and if possible power as Mayavati etc did and do.