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This is the worlds best analysis i have read on the issue.
Layer by layer and point by point, the way proofs are explained is excellent. The shooting of F-16 by Mig 21 is beyond doubt.
If anyone still doubt it then either they are direct descendant of Ostrich or Pig ?
Read the US report that says all Pakistani F-16s are intact. You are being fed fake news.
Least one can say that Indians are born liers. They are hell bent to prove they shot down F-26 with the flying coffen even after USA counted all F-16’s are intact with Pakistan.
World is laughing at this idiocracy. One plane killed in Azad Kashmir with pilot saved and other killed alingwith captain went down in Indian occupied Kashmir video clip of both is available showing both killed plane and pilot. Pakistan has shown the intact missiles of Abhinandan’s plane this shows that India used prayers to down F-16 in thier immaginations.
I ask my Pakistani Brothers and sisters not to respond to these idiots as they are not better than Mad Pigs of Hell. They are already made fun of them in whole world and even with sane Indian elements that are many. Modi the terrorist is leading India to the End of state. New Pakistan, Khslistan and Many other countries are about to be created. Kashmir will also be United soon.
IAF pilot fired a single missile which got its target and was hit in return by the AMRAAM from the PAF fighter. So, the rest of the missiles on the MIG-21 will remain intact. Do you even know how many external hardpoints do fighter aircraft have to carry missiles? An F-18 SUPER HORNET has 11 hardpoints.
Even most older fighter aircraft have a minimum of 4 external hardpoints (2 on each wing) with some having another under the fuselage (or underbelly).
Stealth fighters do not have external hardpoints and carry all their weaponry in an internal bay. Weapons are exposed only before launch.
So, there is no mystery that some intact missiles were found at the MIG-21 crash site.
So what did Abhi none done shoot f16 with a slingshot? Because all his missiles have been found intact with the wreckage of his plane ?
Simply, length of ur article says how much panic you are in, in fact the entire Indian media. You people initially said that it will s Wing Cdr. Shehzaad ud din who was killed in action but later on it was blasted as the picture of the pilot u people used himself came forward. Secondly, all four missiles abhinandan had are shown intact, means he didn’t fire a single missile. Thirdly, PAF pilots don’t use white helmets as shown in ur never-ending article. But I’m sure IAF (idiot air force) uses white helmets, ur comments about this ???? Also people of Azad Kashmir are not stupid enough to just kill anyone landing from sky, they would assure themselves befor doing any such thing. Abhinandan asked the people whether he was in India?? People were sharp enough to deceive that idiot guy by acknowledging that, in joy he shouted jay hind and then people pounced upon him. Ur idiot pilot himself revealed his identity. U talked about abhinandan’s face that he suffered Geneva convention violation, I don’t are u really an ignorant and dumb person paid to high for such bullshit or u r just occupied in goblet of jealousy and hatred. Common people don’t know about Geneva convention kind of things, they recognized abhinandan to be an Indian pilot on their soil, and hit him, but Pak amry not only rescued him from that dire situation but also treated him well and eventually let him go back. This is 21st century, u can not prove the downing of F16 by showing just a blurred image which can be edited of course.
I would also like to clarify that Americans don’t need to lie for PAF or F16. In fact, it could have been an opportunity for them to get back from the sale terms by saying that PAF didn’t have enough capability to operate F16 and eventually putting all spare supplies to a halt. But they themselves verify it because if F16 is not shot, then they won’t let anyone use it for their personal interests, secondly F16 played a very best role in current skirmish by shooting down a Su30 by a distance of 45 to 55 Kms. Isarel airforce also got their F16 shot down last year to a Syrian obsolete missile defence, did it affect the sales of F16????? So why this time USA would not accept the downing?? Also now a days USA is ur ally, not particularly ours, and believe me they could have beat the shit out of u people for this false claim but u people are big fat money babes, so they would like to keep good with u too???
Have you even seen the pictures of a F-16 & a Sukhoi-30? Why don’t you compare their images and see how much difference is there?
There is no way they can be confused with one another. Neither PAF nor IAF have an F-18 which is more similar on external appearance to a Sukhoi 30.
Gahaha idiots indian writer making his nation fool. whare is proofs like Abhi nandan and planes burning in pakistan of indian we are senting your planes in PAF Mesuim you can also come and see.
My Dear Pakistani Friends
Hope this acrimony between India and Pakistan comes to an end some day. But whats most disrurbing is eradication of any proof of existence of Sqn Ldr Hassan Siddqui F16 pilot. The soldier is a soldier and deserve a soldiers respect irrespective of nationality. How can his identity be decimated forever by its own country.? Very shameful. If a country cant own its martyr it can never fight a war leave aside the winning part. Its the time Pak govt realises its mistake and declare Sqn Ldr Hassan Siddqui a national Hero too.
Squadron Leader Hassan Siddiqui is alive and well. Please be careful who and what you believe to be true.
Samir, I give you another dog fight to analyse…
MM Alam shot down 5 endian jets in less then 1 minute……I know you will go to any extent to lie deny this also……..
The 2nd pilot, well I believe you and that pilot master’s already know who he is and where is he from….
You……. what do you think was going on….a sick endian movie… and PAF designed a chute just as identical to your country flag…you are a disgrace to your IAF and endia……
One of the more stupid article I ever read. Full of empty, unproven theories that lives only in the fantasy of the writer. The reality is one and only one: PAF shoot down an indian Mig 21, and the stupid indians itself shoot down it’s own Mil 17. The IAF is only a “paper tiger”, an air force full of combat aircrafts old as shit or with a disponibility rate under 50%, so impotent and unable that they prefer go for cry to US for to blame the PAF about the F-16’s use than that defend itself. Think to the cows, you guys, and let the war to the men. It’s better.
The ‘smooth finish panel’ is literally the same piece that you showed a photo of which you admitted was confirmed by experts to be part of the mig-21, as can be seen in one of the videos (https://youtu.be/h7xcPfj3H94?t=73).
The second ‘parachute’ in the video you linked (https://youtu.be/AZ0OMbhLlXM) is burning and falling much faster than the actual parachute, and is clearly the falling aircraft. This was even corroborated by the other source video you used (https://youtu.be/28zkCei4kbI?t=226).
A bit of a joke to use the same source video to mean two separate things in your ‘analysis’. Really sheds light on how weak your arguments are.
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Why did you not link the original article from Hindustan Times where they claim to have contacted an anonymous source at the Department of Defense?
The Pentagon/DoD has not given an official/public statement at all. The fact that you claimed this is an outright lie.
I would rather trust a US journalist that has strong links and a history of reporting from the pentagon than an Indian journalist who may well be biased.
To top it all off this Indian journalist from the Hindustan Times couldn’t even get the anonymous official from the DoD to deny that a count took place, only that the particular unnamed official, that they claim to have spoken to, wasn’t aware of it.
You did not provide a link/source of the video/image you claim to have of the F-16 parachute for “ image taken from a Pakistani video grab of a parachute landing”. A source would be appreciated to verify where you got that frame from
Dear Sameer Joshi, very well done. Guys this how you shoot down F16 sitting at your home. It’s like Rajni kant 70 years old still acts as hero with 17 years old heroin, and Indian see his movies with eyes wide open. Similarly Indians will believe this story. Dear Sameer Joshi, can you tell why you sacked your air force chief, answer this and your story is dead. Good day dear Joshi
Please dont make fool to indians with ur stupid analysis which are based on would, could, and other predictive words. Truth always prevails even the third party countries confirmed nothing happen to F-16 close ur drama.
Paf knew. Their pilot was missing. So why was imran confused about count of pilots.
They had to suppress that info initially because of the chance he was alive in Indian territory.
Pakistan also bought some second hand junk f 16 from Jordan in 2014. So some paid house may have conveniently counted one of those fighters. The last few weeks were spent by PAF doing all this jugaar. As for outdated MiG shooting down a f16. Don’t forget our very small outdated GNAT filter had shot down paki sabre jets before and older battle tanks had destroyed Pakistani Patton tanks before. Pakistan is a failed state, beggars waiting to become a Chinese colony in the coming decades. Imran Khan was a good cricketer but see how Pakistan is planning a hit wicket . Can’t you fools see that. Work hard and save your country by economic progress, China is a bigger threat to you than India. And if it comes to that Baluchistan is waiting to be another Bangladesh. In few years Bangladesh will become a bigger economy than Pakistan and if Baluchistan separates it will be a wealthier nation than Pakistan in no time.
Pakistan Never speak truth about their activities. Whole world know s what Pakistan said about Binladen. One of the worst country of liers as rulers on earth. Better they should compare themselves in development with other countries.
Ok let’s suppose that the story told by indians is true then I have few questions from indians. Hope they would argue sensibly.
1st. Why the Western air command chief is given force retirement after PAF’s action??
2nd. Why mr abhinandan’s wingman who shot down mi17 in a friendly fire is being court marshalled??
Modi kye paltu kuto pls do journalism not ass licking
You should be eye openers not liers
Being a common man i dont want to know who killed whom is it MIG or F16. Matter is where the country is heading have decreased corruption no.
Have we asked the Govt what they have done in last 70 years
Look at the other countries they have reached heights of sucess and are progressing.
I think our journalism have failed and become puppet
Stop acting you Pakistani buffoons. Accept what you witnessed. That’s all you have to do. All the evidences are not cooked up stories. You buffalos are illiterates that why you don’t understand what is written. These evidences are enough to prove that you have used F-16’s in the dog fight. If you want see more evidence just cross the LOC IAF will show you.
@Ganesh KS… Bhai aap chill krein, you Are simply MODI-fied.. Trolled.. Hahaha.. Indian Airforce lost 06 Aircrafts in February 2019 alone, 02 MiGs, 01 SU-30, 01 Heli, 01 Jaguar.. So much for our gutsy Airforce.. Lolx..
3 points for sure is
1. Pakis buy whatever they have by selling Sharif’s buffaloes and hard bargain and finally end up giving count to other countries.
2. Country full of illeterate fools who beat their own pilot to death.
3. Doesn’t matter how good a aircraft you give them they still ride it like a Bullock cart.
The day after Indian pilot Abinandan was captured an idiot had given an interview of how they tricked him telling he was in India and he ended up raising patriotic slogans and how these idiots apprehended him. Even at the time of interview the idiot didn’t recognise that he was the one who tricked for giving away the truth by raising patriotic slogans.
All said and done hope you guys get some loan from IMF. How many days can you run a country selling buffaloes?
I pick a lot of holes in your fantasy story but when my really caught my eye, firstly u my to great lengths to describe how PAF pilot was killed but then said that Hasan Siddique might be the pilot shot down by Abhinandan. So then how come he is alive? And his video from return of mission was uploaded same day not by ISPR but by another user. It is not released later, it was few hours after the engagement.
BTW, u show R73 seeker as a fact about Mig21 kill but remain mum on blown up piece of AMRAAM missile Ur cheif was carrying in press conference? Care to explain what does that mean. AMRAAM’S don’t blow up on falling on ground. They blow up when they hit their target.
With due respect, on your second injunction, your own military claimed they didn’t hit any military bases of India as (apparently) they weren’t the target. So what target do you speak of?
@Taimur, Please use your grey cells, if you have them … and the biggest hole in PAK story is the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke dear sharp guys
These Indians have a habit of coming to these forums without doing proper home work.
The embarrassment in your tv talk shows of presenting a Mig engine as that of an F16, was witnessed by the whole world !!
All missiles (R73, R77, AIM-9 or AMRAAM) have a time delay fuse in addition to proximity fuse. Once they are fired, there is a specific amount of time within which the missile has to find its target and detonate the warhead with the proximity fuse. If the missile loses track of the target, it flies till its rocket motor runs out and then the time delay fuse kicks and explodes the warhead. The ISPR image shows three missiles with intact warhead section and that indicates that none of those missiles were fired. The fourth missile (R73) has no warhead and that indicates that it was fired because:
1. The warhead is the heaviest and densest part of a missile. In the event of a crash, the force of the crash causes the missile to detach itself from the wing pylons and the crash will either bury the missile a few inches into the earth or throw it a few feet away from the wreckage. In either case, the warhead will survive intact. Even if the missing R73 warhead had burned/ exploded during the crash, it would have caused visible destruction at the wreckage site and scattered the fuselage sections further apart. But, the fuselage appears largely intact.
2. When a missile is fired, it approaches the target at hypersonic speeds just before detonation. When the warhead explodes, it detaches the seeker section that is ahead of the warhead. The seeker part continues to fly at hypersonic speed and will almost always escape the warhead detonation without any major damage. So, recovery of seeker is not evidence enough to claim that R73 was not fired.
What caught my eye is that your Gafoor goofs up a lot or lets put it this way he is a habitual goofer… ???
Anyone who knows the basic mechanism & physics of air to air missile can understand how AMRAAM pieces are found on the ground. You can refer to any defence journal or even Wikipedia for that matter. Both R73 Vympel & the AIM 120 AMRAAM are explosive missiles with proximity fuses i.e they are not hit to kill missiles. That means they do not actually hit the target. That happens in very old missiles.
Proximity fuse missiles detonate at a predestined distance before reaching the target which is set by the pilot before launch. Once launched and the proximity distance to target is attached, the missile detonates itself near to the target. It is the explosive forces and the missile shrapnel travelling at that speed that tear through the aircraft and damage it.
Usually when the missile exploding behind the target, it disables the engines and if fuel tank is ruptured, then there will be a huge explosion. In a frontal attack, all the shrapnel will tear through the cockpit severely injuring the pilot.
Thus, the missiles that has blown in mid air will have its pieces falling to the ground. Much of the recovered material is usually the shell casing and the propeller & fin components, not the forward portion of the missile which bears the brunt of the explosion.
By the way, if the PAF pilot mentioned is still alive, why has he not made any more appearances. If he was allowed so soon after the event (before even debriefing), then he would already be a celebrity in Pakistan and would have made more appearances.
How much has been given to writer by the Indian govt to lie and fool their citizens. What the Indian establishment is doing is to make the whole country satisfying in illusions and keep the ground reality at bay
@Ali, you need not expect the same coins everywhere like your country, your Govt is known to the entire world for their quality (or lack of it) for hiding truth, misguiding propaganda and denying recognition of their own 1000’s of died in combat soldiers in Kargil & denying their last rites.
Please use your grey cells, if you have them to save your country from these propaganda of lies and deceiving … and the biggest hole in PAK story is the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke dear sharp guys
You country kept the reality from you about Kargil war and your army involvement for 11 years only to admit it in 2010..
To all pokis , try to earn some bread and butter for you and your country , talking F 16 and Mig 21 is worthless with beggar’ s bowl in your hand.
We are in a very good state as far as basic necessities are concerned unlike poor population of your country who still don’t have toilets in 20th century. Your writer is assuming many things but first I like to mention here that international media not only reporting that PAF didn’t lose any aircraft but also that no camps were distroyed on 26th February. So your poor writer forgot to shed some light on that aspect as well.
Ask your silly PM not to wish for war because it will bring distruction on a very large scale. I know your media and government are putting so many efforts these days for face saving of what happend on 26th and 27th of February. Believe in peace and be a good neighbor
Look whos talking first you get toilets for you overpopulated country then think to buy rafale?
US and Pakistan have strong motives to deny that F16 was shot down by an ageing Soviet MiG 21. For US such admission would damage the brand value of F16 fighter. Pakistan would like its benefactor US to believe that it never deployed their F16 to combat Indian Air Force. The narrative that IAFs MiG21 has shot down their F16 would expose their lie.
The domestic stakeholders in India also like to believe Pakistan version, because accepting the Indian version would mean conceding a lot of political advantage to Modi during the election campaign.
Went through your, never ending article and wonder if the average Indian can even understand or digest your in depth analysis !!
Just one query and we all would like you to answer it. Forget the colorful parachutes, PAF and its pilots discard their White Helmets years and years ago with the standard Gray Helmets on F-16,JF-17, Mirages, F7PG and K8.
Any eye witness account claiming to see a Gray Helmet desecding that day because if it were All Whites, then its your Su-30 and Mirage or Mig pilots !!!
@sajid, Forget your raised issue for a moment, but the biggest hole in PAK story is the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke dear sharp guys. Once you can clarify this issue, we can come back to the issue of helmets, if you wish !!!
@ Zinat Assuming the other pilot is of Israeli origin, why their isnt any denial from Israeli Air Force and why your Govt is tight lipped on the issue ??
As for the Gray / White helmets, its a genuine point and you know it well. PAF stopped using Whites 15-20 years ago. Google IAF web sites, and your pilots can be seen carrying or wearing and now descending in it. WHITES
If so then why does not your Gafoor disclose the identity of the second pilot that was in your custody???
The Pentagon has denied that any such counting of F16 was undertaken by it as claimed by the Pak Army. This shows the depth to which the Pak Army can fall. Lies and deceit is all that has been fed to the pakistanis by their disgraceful Army. Indian Army and its soldiers are way ahead of their paki counterparts in terms of training they receive and the valour and bravery they display in the battlefield. Paki Army is capable of only committing genocides – against Bangladeshis before their liberation and now against the Occupied Balochistan
I am a common man and don’t know much about the technicalities , but as per my understanding, as America has given F-16 to Pakistan for some specific reasons, they would have all rights to do the audit and check whether all their plains are safe..
Nice joke by IAF. Is MIG capable of shooting down F-16? But F-16 was not used. No Physical evidences are there of shooting down if Any PAF jet. Keep making fool to Indian Nation
@Khawar, what a sharp guy you are … hahaha … all the ARAAM missile parts (fireable only from F16 only in Pakistan), which were put on display were bluffs … hahaha, all the eletrocic signatures of 12 nos of fleets of F16, JKLF17 & Mirage III recorded by Indian recording system were wrong … hahaha, seems only you know what the truth is …. haha, please look out for a oker’s job, if you have a circus company in Pakistan … hahaha
You cannot always Fool innocent, Poor Indians with your Lies, Bogus fictional stories, This article should be given an award for Best Idiotic Comedy.. We Indians will never believe your Lies, We lost the Skirmish, and we must accept Defeat.. Pathetic planning by our Indian Airforce. Atleast for heavens sake, START Telling Truth now..
You are another idiot paki trying to pose as an Indian ….this is the problem with you and your army….lies and deceit …
Grow up kid please, live in reality!
The way you can’t fool with your name ‘Juliet Foxtrot Seventeen’ .
Any number of hoors assured in pak for pretending to be Christian??
Dear pakistani fox, surely pakistan are infamous in the entire world for their lies, bluffs and deceits, example: mass killing of millions of muslim and non muslim men and gang raping 1000”’s of Hindu women by their indisciplined rogue Army, invading Kargil without declaring war, becoming the hub of terrorism in Asia … so, no-one believes you dear, sorry.
Pooh !! Try better next time !
Which aircraft was shooted who ejected the whole world observed that and in theories you can prove any thing however One thing is clear PAF outclass IAF.
The world knows it….dont worry….time will expose your army, just as it did after Kargil, and after the 1971 Bangladesh Liberation War.. ..it left your shameless army red faced. Till then you live in fools paradise
Very detailed , a great script to create a new #bollywoodmovie as like surgical strike….
keep living in fools world and very good to have some mental satisfaction as it has been almost now a month #IndianMedia, indiandigitalmedia , IAF screaming hard to prove it on paper …..
On this effort I say you had shot our “two” planes… Be high… May b your IAF and Blogging teams along #nation get satisfied
With quotation for your media & IAF & Blogging teams
Let the Fools remain Fool …. 🙂
We will assure that I have next time better counts … 😉
In fact IAF shot “three” wawoo clapping third one was just clinched the smoke of the missile launched by capt shot down 😉
Dear Einstein @Waqas, be happy with the variation of happenenings in Pak govt version, if you want, however, cannot evade your responsibility to properly explain the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke
Good effort
But America telling a lie? And the website who posted that PAF F-16 are in complete numbers and none of them are missed how you rectify it…
And also your analysis is not impartial you are Indian and you always support you country. You never post any thing against your country different other websites also took analysis of this incident and they said no PAF F-16 was shot down they were foreginers and they did impartial analysis not in the interest of the country like you.
Dear @Anonymous, sweet dear, do not know your name, afraid to print it ??? Why dear ??? Why so much afraid ??? After Balakot air strike ??? You may be sad to know that Pentagon, America has already refused to be a part of such counting story sweetheart … Happy now ???? Your F16 is shot down as IAF had told you already, Be prepared to that version of TRUTH, to which, Pak is not at all accustomed even after 1972 B’Desh and 1995 Kargil, very sad.
Dear @ Abdul, Are you sure to be a non sense by generation Abdul ??? hahaha
You people always talks about fictions, making your innocent people fool and have zero knowledge of air combat and weapon you shitless writter do know what proximty fuze is? Do know what a warhead with 7 to 8 kg of missil is? And that to hitting front side of an aircraft it will make the aircraft to broke in to pices and pilot will be un able even to eject, first learn about the air combat and weaponry than write this kind of nonsens to your foolish people, every thing is not bollywood or tollywood. Accept your defeat with open heart the histroy will remember 27 feb.
@Irfan. It will really help if you argue correctly and quote lines which is being misquoted.
1) “Secondly PM Imran Khan never ever gave the figure of how many pilots are under custody.” Imran mentioned “pilots”, listen to his speech again.
2) ” Starting with the fact that ISPR never ever said that anyone in their custody has died. “. Which line in this article mentions that ISPR claimed one pilot has died? There is no such line in this article. Perhaps I am missing.
3) “many Indian Army posts and ammunition depots were also targeted” . Even Pakistan never claimed it officially. Also can you define many?
4) US has clarified no such check of F-16 were done.
5) About the point of locals Ajmal Kasab’s presence were even denied by locals later on. So less is said about locals or never.
The principal argument this article gives is ISPR’s change of narrative from 2 pilot to 1 pilot in their custody. 1 pilot being in hospital. We don’t know what happened to that pilot don’t we. That is challenging Pakistan’s narrative which is not going to go away. In a democracy media should ask and I am hoping you would ask that question.
Also timing looks suspicious when Pakistani media started questioning about “other pilot” this new theory emerged which points that Pakistan has something to hide.
The other evidence this author quotes is not verifiable by people outside government. And in all likelihood both sides will claim win.
Go back and see the news articles and TV News from the archives, you will get all your answers..
I think there is some typo here “Why in the first week of May 2019, did the PAF chiefurgently visit all PAF bases, particularly those housing the F-16 squadrons?” Please rectify.
Very correct Mr Manoj but now you will see these Pakis will again explain your point with Huge set of lies or with some thearetical Dialogues ???
All the F 16s Pakistan uses are accounted for, counted by Pentagon, and andddd PAKISTAN HAS NOT BOUGHT SINGLE F 16 IN THE PREVIOUS MONTH A HALF,
I AM WHY AM I EVEN ON THIS LIARS DEN INDIAN LYING MEDIA,
INDIA MEDIA IS A LIARRR
INDIA PM IS A MAHA LIARRR
Did you read the write up thoroughly or are as dum as your leaders. The Pentagon has categorically denied they having undertaken any count of F16s…
Paki Army are liars
Paki Pm Imron Kaan is a PUPPET
Paki awaam are idiots
@umais, Pentagon had rejected such claim already dear Paki.
Good efforts to cover up lol ? i hope indian are too fool they ll accept this due to influence of bollywood in their minds lol ? everyone knows the reality
First go and ask Gafoor where is the other Pilot???
Pakos are influenced by their third rate lollywood movies of lahore…..foolish pakis lap up the lies and bluffs served to them by their incompetent army…
You guys trying to proof yourself right like a local village fight between to men.
This is digital world. You shootdown a PAF F16 where is its burning stuff?
As Pakistan showed you huge videos etc.
Be realistic into the digital global world.
Look up youtube and you will find your own people shot video showing two parachutes coming down that day…
How foolish you pakis can be. The debris of F16 lies in PoK hidden by your pak army. Why will they display it. Pak armies claims are influenced by the third rate lollywood movies of lahore
nice work of fiction i hope someone buy you work for next bollywood movie
Hopeless comment from hopeless people of hopeless nation. You guys can fall for Gajwa e Hind type shit fantasy, but will not accept truth. You DG ISPR seems to be ex LoLlywood actor. Failed actor.
All you have ifs, wills, woulds and could, tell us about your other plane and pilots, thanks.
100% Accurate analysis with 100% concrete evidences no further explanation is required after this Artical no one should even take notice of these ediot Pakis which will start barking like DOGS that this is wrong or these are Huge lies.
I fully agree with you aMr.Sandeep Ahuluwalia.
Historically also:-
1. Pakistani public came to know of their defeat and 93 Thousand POW Army from BBC. Till last actual status was not given to Pakistani public by Pakistani establishment.
2. In Kargil war they not acknowledged that the involvement of their Northern Light Infantry,and in line with this position refused to accept the bodies of their own soldiers.
3. They never accepted that Kasab was there citizen.
Many more such example are there
Pakistan remains in perpetual mode of denial and reasons are obvious.
Script of a Bollywood movie…wao…the man according to u who hit f16 never come on since we released as peace gesture…if he could hit …he would take mike….other he was looked less indian media like ans bjp person looked bkz abi was well nursed by her moom
A lucid translation in hindi language would be very appreciated. It will help the hindi belt junta understand the reality in a real manner with no jingoism.
One more thing left is that India initially said that Wing Commander Shahaz ud Din was killed in that F-16 who is the son of AVM Waseem ud Din while according to the Asian Times report, AVM Waseem ud Din was reported to have said that he never had a son in PAF. Both his sons are in US and has never flied a plane at all. PAF even requested him to record a video but he refused by saying that he doesn’t want his family to be talked about. And yeah the Balakot locals on record said that no one was killed. A man, who was hit in the head had minor injury. Apart from that, no one was hurt. Even US officials counted the jets and found none missing. Thirdly, Asian Times also reported that PAF wants neutral guys to count the jets themselves to rubbish the IAF false claims.
Are you that dumb? Starting with the fact that ISPR never ever said that anyone in their custody has died. Secondly PM Imran Khan never ever gave the figure of how many pilots are under custody. How can you be so ignorant? You better should listen to his speech again. Thirdly there is no proof given by IAF about shooting down any F-16. Abhinandan jet crashed while his radio signals were jammed by PAF blinder. Fourthly IAF said that the radar signatures by AWACS show that F-16 was used but point to ponder is that there was no AWACS of IAF in the air because the only one in the air was to change the shift and had been grounded as per IAF in their earlier reports. Fifth one is that all four BVR missiles including two R-73 and two R-77 with their seeker heads were found from the wreckage of MiG-21B and they are on display in various reports which means that Abhinandan never fired a missile at all while the minimum distance between an F-16, which were used as a backup when JF-17 successfully hit the target, and Indian jets was 50+ kms. Sixth thing is that many Indian Army posts and ammunition depots were also targeted but IAF in their media talk said that no “significant” damage has been done to us. My other point is that as India initially said that their mirages came inside Pakistani territory somewhere around 80 kms but later the narrative was changed to 5 nautical miles and that Spice-2000 were fired which itself is a Range Extension Kit like the one produced by Pakistan. Why was the narrative changed. Why is not a single figure of the casualties given by India? While your ministers were using figures from 300-450. Everything India claimed has backfired with not a single proof on anything. PAF had the guts to hit India within 24 hours of when they said that we will surprise you and that too in day light. Initially, the engine of MiG-21B was shown to be the engine of F-16. Even a naswar wrapper was shown as proof on Zee News. At last, I have the screenshots of Zee News that two of your jets crashed in Indian occupied Kashmir. They said it was MiG-21 and that both the pilots died. MiG-21 carries one pilot. Similarly, initially Indian media said that Su-30 shot down an F-16 but later they changed narrative. IAF said that Su-30 pilots did a great job by dodging the AIM-120C. Lots and lots of lies by Indian side couldn’t be covered up. A lot more to come because we have more proof on shooting down your Su-30.
Pakistan is always busy lying for everything. Let it be the wars they fought with India, let it be their own crumbling economy or a country full of shitty mujahid terrorists. Secondly you people talking about USA reports of no casualties of F-16 fighter by a Mig 21. Wake up idiots…it’s a USA built fighter jet and news of it getting killed by almost an Era old Mig 21 will kill it’s market and morale of their F-16 pilots as well because now they regret of giving their jets to idiotic Pakistani pilots who didn’t knew how to fly F-16 and got it killed.
And everyone knows the game of good and bad publicity. You know lies don’t have tail.
All four missiles of MIG 21 are with Pakistan that’s also a lie right? Only Indian government speak the truth who disowned their pilot at first and said none of IAF pilot are missing and accepted him as an Indian pilot when his video of being captured went viral
All four missiles of MIG 21 are with Pakistan that’s also a lie right? Indian government who disowned their pilot at first and said none of IAF pilot are missing and accepted him as an Indian pilot when his video of being captured went viral
This is the worlds best analysis i have read on the issue.
Layer by layer and point by point, the way proofs are explained is excellent. The shooting of F-16 by Mig 21 is beyond doubt.
If anyone still doubt it then either they are direct descendant of Ostrich or Pig ?
Read the US report that says all Pakistani F-16s are intact. You are being fed fake news.
Least one can say that Indians are born liers. They are hell bent to prove they shot down F-26 with the flying coffen even after USA counted all F-16’s are intact with Pakistan.
World is laughing at this idiocracy. One plane killed in Azad Kashmir with pilot saved and other killed alingwith captain went down in Indian occupied Kashmir video clip of both is available showing both killed plane and pilot. Pakistan has shown the intact missiles of Abhinandan’s plane this shows that India used prayers to down F-16 in thier immaginations.
I ask my Pakistani Brothers and sisters not to respond to these idiots as they are not better than Mad Pigs of Hell. They are already made fun of them in whole world and even with sane Indian elements that are many. Modi the terrorist is leading India to the End of state. New Pakistan, Khslistan and Many other countries are about to be created. Kashmir will also be United soon.
IAF pilot fired a single missile which got its target and was hit in return by the AMRAAM from the PAF fighter. So, the rest of the missiles on the MIG-21 will remain intact. Do you even know how many external hardpoints do fighter aircraft have to carry missiles? An F-18 SUPER HORNET has 11 hardpoints.
Even most older fighter aircraft have a minimum of 4 external hardpoints (2 on each wing) with some having another under the fuselage (or underbelly).
Stealth fighters do not have external hardpoints and carry all their weaponry in an internal bay. Weapons are exposed only before launch.
So, there is no mystery that some intact missiles were found at the MIG-21 crash site.
So what did Abhi none done shoot f16 with a slingshot? Because all his missiles have been found intact with the wreckage of his plane ?
Simply, length of ur article says how much panic you are in, in fact the entire Indian media. You people initially said that it will s Wing Cdr. Shehzaad ud din who was killed in action but later on it was blasted as the picture of the pilot u people used himself came forward. Secondly, all four missiles abhinandan had are shown intact, means he didn’t fire a single missile. Thirdly, PAF pilots don’t use white helmets as shown in ur never-ending article. But I’m sure IAF (idiot air force) uses white helmets, ur comments about this ???? Also people of Azad Kashmir are not stupid enough to just kill anyone landing from sky, they would assure themselves befor doing any such thing. Abhinandan asked the people whether he was in India?? People were sharp enough to deceive that idiot guy by acknowledging that, in joy he shouted jay hind and then people pounced upon him. Ur idiot pilot himself revealed his identity. U talked about abhinandan’s face that he suffered Geneva convention violation, I don’t are u really an ignorant and dumb person paid to high for such bullshit or u r just occupied in goblet of jealousy and hatred. Common people don’t know about Geneva convention kind of things, they recognized abhinandan to be an Indian pilot on their soil, and hit him, but Pak amry not only rescued him from that dire situation but also treated him well and eventually let him go back. This is 21st century, u can not prove the downing of F16 by showing just a blurred image which can be edited of course.
I would also like to clarify that Americans don’t need to lie for PAF or F16. In fact, it could have been an opportunity for them to get back from the sale terms by saying that PAF didn’t have enough capability to operate F16 and eventually putting all spare supplies to a halt. But they themselves verify it because if F16 is not shot, then they won’t let anyone use it for their personal interests, secondly F16 played a very best role in current skirmish by shooting down a Su30 by a distance of 45 to 55 Kms. Isarel airforce also got their F16 shot down last year to a Syrian obsolete missile defence, did it affect the sales of F16????? So why this time USA would not accept the downing?? Also now a days USA is ur ally, not particularly ours, and believe me they could have beat the shit out of u people for this false claim but u people are big fat money babes, so they would like to keep good with u too???
It is better you Indian accept the loss of 2nd Su30 instead of proving it as F16 of Pakistan and never finding the way to it
Have you even seen the pictures of a F-16 & a Sukhoi-30? Why don’t you compare their images and see how much difference is there?
There is no way they can be confused with one another. Neither PAF nor IAF have an F-18 which is more similar on external appearance to a Sukhoi 30.
Gahaha idiots indian writer making his nation fool. whare is proofs like Abhi nandan and planes burning in pakistan of indian we are senting your planes in PAF Mesuim you can also come and see.
Just one word “FAKE”.
My Dear Pakistani Friends
Hope this acrimony between India and Pakistan comes to an end some day. But whats most disrurbing is eradication of any proof of existence of Sqn Ldr Hassan Siddqui F16 pilot. The soldier is a soldier and deserve a soldiers respect irrespective of nationality. How can his identity be decimated forever by its own country.? Very shameful. If a country cant own its martyr it can never fight a war leave aside the winning part. Its the time Pak govt realises its mistake and declare Sqn Ldr Hassan Siddqui a national Hero too.
Squadron Leader Hassan Siddiqui is alive and well. Please be careful who and what you believe to be true.
Samir, I give you another dog fight to analyse…
MM Alam shot down 5 endian jets in less then 1 minute……I know you will go to any extent to lie deny this also……..
The 2nd pilot, well I believe you and that pilot master’s already know who he is and where is he from….
You……. what do you think was going on….a sick endian movie… and PAF designed a chute just as identical to your country flag…you are a disgrace to your IAF and endia……
None of Pakistan’s F-16 fighter jets missing after US count: Report
Economic Times – 2 days ago
One of the more stupid article I ever read. Full of empty, unproven theories that lives only in the fantasy of the writer. The reality is one and only one: PAF shoot down an indian Mig 21, and the stupid indians itself shoot down it’s own Mil 17. The IAF is only a “paper tiger”, an air force full of combat aircrafts old as shit or with a disponibility rate under 50%, so impotent and unable that they prefer go for cry to US for to blame the PAF about the F-16’s use than that defend itself. Think to the cows, you guys, and let the war to the men. It’s better.
1:
The ‘smooth finish panel’ is literally the same piece that you showed a photo of which you admitted was confirmed by experts to be part of the mig-21, as can be seen in one of the videos (https://youtu.be/h7xcPfj3H94?t=73).
Why did you only choose to show that specific frame and not the whole video/other frames that confirm that it was indeed the same piece from the mig-21 pictured earlier (https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*k5Lmnq-X4d2TQ635rG9w1Q.jpeg).
2:
The second ‘parachute’ in the video you linked (https://youtu.be/AZ0OMbhLlXM) is burning and falling much faster than the actual parachute, and is clearly the falling aircraft. This was even corroborated by the other source video you used (https://youtu.be/28zkCei4kbI?t=226).
A bit of a joke to use the same source video to mean two separate things in your ‘analysis’. Really sheds light on how weak your arguments are.
3:
Why did you not link the original article from Hindustan Times where they claim to have contacted an anonymous source at the Department of Defense?
The Pentagon/DoD has not given an official/public statement at all. The fact that you claimed this is an outright lie.
I would rather trust a US journalist that has strong links and a history of reporting from the pentagon than an Indian journalist who may well be biased.
To top it all off this Indian journalist from the Hindustan Times couldn’t even get the anonymous official from the DoD to deny that a count took place, only that the particular unnamed official, that they claim to have spoken to, wasn’t aware of it.
4:
The image which you claim to somehow be part of a crashed F-16 (https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*CSREk2VvXF81KDpwzQYVUw.jpeg) is the image of bombs dropped in IOK as widely reported by Indian media itself ( https://twitter.com/ani/status/1100641086790426624?lang=en).
5:
The R-73 missile that you claim was used to shoot down the F-16 can be seen still attached to the body of the downed mig 21 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3iJ3GpWAAIdYdr.jpg:large) and ( https://twitter.com/pafrocks1/status/1114785433551085568)
Also:
You did not provide a link/source of the video/image you claim to have of the F-16 parachute for “ image taken from a Pakistani video grab of a parachute landing”. A source would be appreciated to verify where you got that frame from
Dear Sameer Joshi, very well done. Guys this how you shoot down F16 sitting at your home. It’s like Rajni kant 70 years old still acts as hero with 17 years old heroin, and Indian see his movies with eyes wide open. Similarly Indians will believe this story. Dear Sameer Joshi, can you tell why you sacked your air force chief, answer this and your story is dead. Good day dear Joshi
Please dont make fool to indians with ur stupid analysis which are based on would, could, and other predictive words. Truth always prevails even the third party countries confirmed nothing happen to F-16 close ur drama.
Paf knew. Their pilot was missing. So why was imran confused about count of pilots.
They had to suppress that info initially because of the chance he was alive in Indian territory.
Pakistan also bought some second hand junk f 16 from Jordan in 2014. So some paid house may have conveniently counted one of those fighters. The last few weeks were spent by PAF doing all this jugaar. As for outdated MiG shooting down a f16. Don’t forget our very small outdated GNAT filter had shot down paki sabre jets before and older battle tanks had destroyed Pakistani Patton tanks before. Pakistan is a failed state, beggars waiting to become a Chinese colony in the coming decades. Imran Khan was a good cricketer but see how Pakistan is planning a hit wicket . Can’t you fools see that. Work hard and save your country by economic progress, China is a bigger threat to you than India. And if it comes to that Baluchistan is waiting to be another Bangladesh. In few years Bangladesh will become a bigger economy than Pakistan and if Baluchistan separates it will be a wealthier nation than Pakistan in no time.
Pakistan Never speak truth about their activities. Whole world know s what Pakistan said about Binladen. One of the worst country of liers as rulers on earth. Better they should compare themselves in development with other countries.
Ok let’s suppose that the story told by indians is true then I have few questions from indians. Hope they would argue sensibly.
1st. Why the Western air command chief is given force retirement after PAF’s action??
2nd. Why mr abhinandan’s wingman who shot down mi17 in a friendly fire is being court marshalled??
Modi kye paltu kuto pls do journalism not ass licking
You should be eye openers not liers
Being a common man i dont want to know who killed whom is it MIG or F16. Matter is where the country is heading have decreased corruption no.
Have we asked the Govt what they have done in last 70 years
Look at the other countries they have reached heights of sucess and are progressing.
I think our journalism have failed and become puppet
Stop acting you Pakistani buffoons. Accept what you witnessed. That’s all you have to do. All the evidences are not cooked up stories. You buffalos are illiterates that why you don’t understand what is written. These evidences are enough to prove that you have used F-16’s in the dog fight. If you want see more evidence just cross the LOC IAF will show you.
@Ganesh KS… Bhai aap chill krein, you Are simply MODI-fied.. Trolled.. Hahaha.. Indian Airforce lost 06 Aircrafts in February 2019 alone, 02 MiGs, 01 SU-30, 01 Heli, 01 Jaguar.. So much for our gutsy Airforce.. Lolx..
3 points for sure is
1. Pakis buy whatever they have by selling Sharif’s buffaloes and hard bargain and finally end up giving count to other countries.
2. Country full of illeterate fools who beat their own pilot to death.
3. Doesn’t matter how good a aircraft you give them they still ride it like a Bullock cart.
The day after Indian pilot Abinandan was captured an idiot had given an interview of how they tricked him telling he was in India and he ended up raising patriotic slogans and how these idiots apprehended him. Even at the time of interview the idiot didn’t recognise that he was the one who tricked for giving away the truth by raising patriotic slogans.
All said and done hope you guys get some loan from IMF. How many days can you run a country selling buffaloes?
I pick a lot of holes in your fantasy story but when my really caught my eye, firstly u my to great lengths to describe how PAF pilot was killed but then said that Hasan Siddique might be the pilot shot down by Abhinandan. So then how come he is alive? And his video from return of mission was uploaded same day not by ISPR but by another user. It is not released later, it was few hours after the engagement.
BTW, u show R73 seeker as a fact about Mig21 kill but remain mum on blown up piece of AMRAAM missile Ur cheif was carrying in press conference? Care to explain what does that mean. AMRAAM’S don’t blow up on falling on ground. They blow up when they hit their target.
With due respect, on your second injunction, your own military claimed they didn’t hit any military bases of India as (apparently) they weren’t the target. So what target do you speak of?
@Taimur, Please use your grey cells, if you have them … and the biggest hole in PAK story is the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke dear sharp guys
These Indians have a habit of coming to these forums without doing proper home work.
The embarrassment in your tv talk shows of presenting a Mig engine as that of an F16, was witnessed by the whole world !!
All missiles (R73, R77, AIM-9 or AMRAAM) have a time delay fuse in addition to proximity fuse. Once they are fired, there is a specific amount of time within which the missile has to find its target and detonate the warhead with the proximity fuse. If the missile loses track of the target, it flies till its rocket motor runs out and then the time delay fuse kicks and explodes the warhead. The ISPR image shows three missiles with intact warhead section and that indicates that none of those missiles were fired. The fourth missile (R73) has no warhead and that indicates that it was fired because:
1. The warhead is the heaviest and densest part of a missile. In the event of a crash, the force of the crash causes the missile to detach itself from the wing pylons and the crash will either bury the missile a few inches into the earth or throw it a few feet away from the wreckage. In either case, the warhead will survive intact. Even if the missing R73 warhead had burned/ exploded during the crash, it would have caused visible destruction at the wreckage site and scattered the fuselage sections further apart. But, the fuselage appears largely intact.
2. When a missile is fired, it approaches the target at hypersonic speeds just before detonation. When the warhead explodes, it detaches the seeker section that is ahead of the warhead. The seeker part continues to fly at hypersonic speed and will almost always escape the warhead detonation without any major damage. So, recovery of seeker is not evidence enough to claim that R73 was not fired.
What caught my eye is that your Gafoor goofs up a lot or lets put it this way he is a habitual goofer… ???
Anyone who knows the basic mechanism & physics of air to air missile can understand how AMRAAM pieces are found on the ground. You can refer to any defence journal or even Wikipedia for that matter. Both R73 Vympel & the AIM 120 AMRAAM are explosive missiles with proximity fuses i.e they are not hit to kill missiles. That means they do not actually hit the target. That happens in very old missiles.
Proximity fuse missiles detonate at a predestined distance before reaching the target which is set by the pilot before launch. Once launched and the proximity distance to target is attached, the missile detonates itself near to the target. It is the explosive forces and the missile shrapnel travelling at that speed that tear through the aircraft and damage it.
Usually when the missile exploding behind the target, it disables the engines and if fuel tank is ruptured, then there will be a huge explosion. In a frontal attack, all the shrapnel will tear through the cockpit severely injuring the pilot.
Thus, the missiles that has blown in mid air will have its pieces falling to the ground. Much of the recovered material is usually the shell casing and the propeller & fin components, not the forward portion of the missile which bears the brunt of the explosion.
By the way, if the PAF pilot mentioned is still alive, why has he not made any more appearances. If he was allowed so soon after the event (before even debriefing), then he would already be a celebrity in Pakistan and would have made more appearances.
How much has been given to writer by the Indian govt to lie and fool their citizens. What the Indian establishment is doing is to make the whole country satisfying in illusions and keep the ground reality at bay
@Ali, you need not expect the same coins everywhere like your country, your Govt is known to the entire world for their quality (or lack of it) for hiding truth, misguiding propaganda and denying recognition of their own 1000’s of died in combat soldiers in Kargil & denying their last rites.
Please use your grey cells, if you have them to save your country from these propaganda of lies and deceiving … and the biggest hole in PAK story is the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke dear sharp guys
You country kept the reality from you about Kargil war and your army involvement for 11 years only to admit it in 2010..
To all pokis , try to earn some bread and butter for you and your country , talking F 16 and Mig 21 is worthless with beggar’ s bowl in your hand.
We are in a very good state as far as basic necessities are concerned unlike poor population of your country who still don’t have toilets in 20th century. Your writer is assuming many things but first I like to mention here that international media not only reporting that PAF didn’t lose any aircraft but also that no camps were distroyed on 26th February. So your poor writer forgot to shed some light on that aspect as well.
Ask your silly PM not to wish for war because it will bring distruction on a very large scale. I know your media and government are putting so many efforts these days for face saving of what happend on 26th and 27th of February. Believe in peace and be a good neighbor
Look whos talking first you get toilets for you overpopulated country then think to buy rafale?
US and Pakistan have strong motives to deny that F16 was shot down by an ageing Soviet MiG 21. For US such admission would damage the brand value of F16 fighter. Pakistan would like its benefactor US to believe that it never deployed their F16 to combat Indian Air Force. The narrative that IAFs MiG21 has shot down their F16 would expose their lie.
The domestic stakeholders in India also like to believe Pakistan version, because accepting the Indian version would mean conceding a lot of political advantage to Modi during the election campaign.
Dear Mr. Samir Joshi,
Went through your, never ending article and wonder if the average Indian can even understand or digest your in depth analysis !!
Just one query and we all would like you to answer it. Forget the colorful parachutes, PAF and its pilots discard their White Helmets years and years ago with the standard Gray Helmets on F-16,JF-17, Mirages, F7PG and K8.
Any eye witness account claiming to see a Gray Helmet desecding that day because if it were All Whites, then its your Su-30 and Mirage or Mig pilots !!!
We await your reply.
Regards
@sajid, Forget your raised issue for a moment, but the biggest hole in PAK story is the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke dear sharp guys. Once you can clarify this issue, we can come back to the issue of helmets, if you wish !!!
@ Zinat Assuming the other pilot is of Israeli origin, why their isnt any denial from Israeli Air Force and why your Govt is tight lipped on the issue ??
As for the Gray / White helmets, its a genuine point and you know it well. PAF stopped using Whites 15-20 years ago. Google IAF web sites, and your pilots can be seen carrying or wearing and now descending in it. WHITES
If so then why does not your Gafoor disclose the identity of the second pilot that was in your custody???
The Pentagon has denied that any such counting of F16 was undertaken by it as claimed by the Pak Army. This shows the depth to which the Pak Army can fall. Lies and deceit is all that has been fed to the pakistanis by their disgraceful Army. Indian Army and its soldiers are way ahead of their paki counterparts in terms of training they receive and the valour and bravery they display in the battlefield. Paki Army is capable of only committing genocides – against Bangladeshis before their liberation and now against the Occupied Balochistan
I am a common man and don’t know much about the technicalities , but as per my understanding, as America has given F-16 to Pakistan for some specific reasons, they would have all rights to do the audit and check whether all their plains are safe..
Nice joke by IAF. Is MIG capable of shooting down F-16? But F-16 was not used. No Physical evidences are there of shooting down if Any PAF jet. Keep making fool to Indian Nation
@Khawar, what a sharp guy you are … hahaha … all the ARAAM missile parts (fireable only from F16 only in Pakistan), which were put on display were bluffs … hahaha, all the eletrocic signatures of 12 nos of fleets of F16, JKLF17 & Mirage III recorded by Indian recording system were wrong … hahaha, seems only you know what the truth is …. haha, please look out for a oker’s job, if you have a circus company in Pakistan … hahaha
You cannot always Fool innocent, Poor Indians with your Lies, Bogus fictional stories, This article should be given an award for Best Idiotic Comedy.. We Indians will never believe your Lies, We lost the Skirmish, and we must accept Defeat.. Pathetic planning by our Indian Airforce. Atleast for heavens sake, START Telling Truth now..
You are another idiot paki trying to pose as an Indian ….this is the problem with you and your army….lies and deceit …
Grow up kid please, live in reality!
The way you can’t fool with your name ‘Juliet Foxtrot Seventeen’ .
Any number of hoors assured in pak for pretending to be Christian??
Dear pakistani fox, surely pakistan are infamous in the entire world for their lies, bluffs and deceits, example: mass killing of millions of muslim and non muslim men and gang raping 1000”’s of Hindu women by their indisciplined rogue Army, invading Kargil without declaring war, becoming the hub of terrorism in Asia … so, no-one believes you dear, sorry.
Pooh !! Try better next time !
Which aircraft was shooted who ejected the whole world observed that and in theories you can prove any thing however One thing is clear PAF outclass IAF.
The world knows it….dont worry….time will expose your army, just as it did after Kargil, and after the 1971 Bangladesh Liberation War.. ..it left your shameless army red faced. Till then you live in fools paradise
Very detailed , a great script to create a new #bollywoodmovie as like surgical strike….
keep living in fools world and very good to have some mental satisfaction as it has been almost now a month #IndianMedia, indiandigitalmedia , IAF screaming hard to prove it on paper …..
On this effort I say you had shot our “two” planes… Be high… May b your IAF and Blogging teams along #nation get satisfied
With quotation for your media & IAF & Blogging teams
Let the Fools remain Fool …. 🙂
We will assure that I have next time better counts … 😉
In fact IAF shot “three” wawoo clapping third one was just clinched the smoke of the missile launched by capt shot down 😉
Be happy …..
Dear Einstein @Waqas, be happy with the variation of happenenings in Pak govt version, if you want, however, cannot evade your responsibility to properly explain the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke
Good effort
But America telling a lie? And the website who posted that PAF F-16 are in complete numbers and none of them are missed how you rectify it…
And also your analysis is not impartial you are Indian and you always support you country. You never post any thing against your country different other websites also took analysis of this incident and they said no PAF F-16 was shot down they were foreginers and they did impartial analysis not in the interest of the country like you.
Dear @Anonymous, sweet dear, do not know your name, afraid to print it ??? Why dear ??? Why so much afraid ??? After Balakot air strike ??? You may be sad to know that Pentagon, America has already refused to be a part of such counting story sweetheart … Happy now ???? Your F16 is shot down as IAF had told you already, Be prepared to that version of TRUTH, to which, Pak is not at all accustomed even after 1972 B’Desh and 1995 Kargil, very sad.
Another dumb Indian.
@haha, Joker paki
Crazy article, nonsense….
Dear @ Abdul, Are you sure to be a non sense by generation Abdul ??? hahaha
You people always talks about fictions, making your innocent people fool and have zero knowledge of air combat and weapon you shitless writter do know what proximty fuze is? Do know what a warhead with 7 to 8 kg of missil is? And that to hitting front side of an aircraft it will make the aircraft to broke in to pices and pilot will be un able even to eject, first learn about the air combat and weaponry than write this kind of nonsens to your foolish people, every thing is not bollywood or tollywood. Accept your defeat with open heart the histroy will remember 27 feb.
@Irfan. It will really help if you argue correctly and quote lines which is being misquoted.
1) “Secondly PM Imran Khan never ever gave the figure of how many pilots are under custody.” Imran mentioned “pilots”, listen to his speech again.
2) ” Starting with the fact that ISPR never ever said that anyone in their custody has died. “. Which line in this article mentions that ISPR claimed one pilot has died? There is no such line in this article. Perhaps I am missing.
3) “many Indian Army posts and ammunition depots were also targeted” . Even Pakistan never claimed it officially. Also can you define many?
4) US has clarified no such check of F-16 were done.
5) About the point of locals Ajmal Kasab’s presence were even denied by locals later on. So less is said about locals or never.
The principal argument this article gives is ISPR’s change of narrative from 2 pilot to 1 pilot in their custody. 1 pilot being in hospital. We don’t know what happened to that pilot don’t we. That is challenging Pakistan’s narrative which is not going to go away. In a democracy media should ask and I am hoping you would ask that question.
Also timing looks suspicious when Pakistani media started questioning about “other pilot” this new theory emerged which points that Pakistan has something to hide.
The other evidence this author quotes is not verifiable by people outside government. And in all likelihood both sides will claim win.
Go back and see the news articles and TV News from the archives, you will get all your answers..
I think there is some typo here “Why in the first week of May 2019, did the PAF chiefurgently visit all PAF bases, particularly those housing the F-16 squadrons?” Please rectify.
Very correct Mr Manoj but now you will see these Pakis will again explain your point with Huge set of lies or with some thearetical Dialogues ???
All the F 16s Pakistan uses are accounted for, counted by Pentagon, and andddd PAKISTAN HAS NOT BOUGHT SINGLE F 16 IN THE PREVIOUS MONTH A HALF,
I AM WHY AM I EVEN ON THIS LIARS DEN INDIAN LYING MEDIA,
INDIA MEDIA IS A LIARRR
INDIA PM IS A MAHA LIARRR
Did you read the write up thoroughly or are as dum as your leaders. The Pentagon has categorically denied they having undertaken any count of F16s…
Paki Army are liars
Paki Pm Imron Kaan is a PUPPET
Paki awaam are idiots
@umais, Pentagon had rejected such claim already dear Paki.
Good efforts to cover up lol ? i hope indian are too fool they ll accept this due to influence of bollywood in their minds lol ? everyone knows the reality
First go and ask Gafoor where is the other Pilot???
Pakos are influenced by their third rate lollywood movies of lahore…..foolish pakis lap up the lies and bluffs served to them by their incompetent army…
You guys trying to proof yourself right like a local village fight between to men.
This is digital world. You shootdown a PAF F16 where is its burning stuff?
As Pakistan showed you huge videos etc.
Be realistic into the digital global world.
Look up youtube and you will find your own people shot video showing two parachutes coming down that day…
How foolish you pakis can be. The debris of F16 lies in PoK hidden by your pak army. Why will they display it. Pak armies claims are influenced by the third rate lollywood movies of lahore
nice work of fiction i hope someone buy you work for next bollywood movie
Hopeless comment from hopeless people of hopeless nation. You guys can fall for Gajwa e Hind type shit fantasy, but will not accept truth. You DG ISPR seems to be ex LoLlywood actor. Failed actor.
All you have ifs, wills, woulds and could, tell us about your other plane and pilots, thanks.
100% Accurate analysis with 100% concrete evidences no further explanation is required after this Artical no one should even take notice of these ediot Pakis which will start barking like DOGS that this is wrong or these are Huge lies.
I fully agree with you aMr.Sandeep Ahuluwalia.
Historically also:-
1. Pakistani public came to know of their defeat and 93 Thousand POW Army from BBC. Till last actual status was not given to Pakistani public by Pakistani establishment.
2. In Kargil war they not acknowledged that the involvement of their Northern Light Infantry,and in line with this position refused to accept the bodies of their own soldiers.
3. They never accepted that Kasab was there citizen.
Many more such example are there
Pakistan remains in perpetual mode of denial and reasons are obvious.
Psycho Nation…..misleading poor people….
Script of a Bollywood movie…wao…the man according to u who hit f16 never come on since we released as peace gesture…if he could hit …he would take mike….other he was looked less indian media like ans bjp person looked bkz abi was well nursed by her moom
A lucid translation in hindi language would be very appreciated. It will help the hindi belt junta understand the reality in a real manner with no jingoism.
One more thing left is that India initially said that Wing Commander Shahaz ud Din was killed in that F-16 who is the son of AVM Waseem ud Din while according to the Asian Times report, AVM Waseem ud Din was reported to have said that he never had a son in PAF. Both his sons are in US and has never flied a plane at all. PAF even requested him to record a video but he refused by saying that he doesn’t want his family to be talked about. And yeah the Balakot locals on record said that no one was killed. A man, who was hit in the head had minor injury. Apart from that, no one was hurt. Even US officials counted the jets and found none missing. Thirdly, Asian Times also reported that PAF wants neutral guys to count the jets themselves to rubbish the IAF false claims.
Are you that dumb? Starting with the fact that ISPR never ever said that anyone in their custody has died. Secondly PM Imran Khan never ever gave the figure of how many pilots are under custody. How can you be so ignorant? You better should listen to his speech again. Thirdly there is no proof given by IAF about shooting down any F-16. Abhinandan jet crashed while his radio signals were jammed by PAF blinder. Fourthly IAF said that the radar signatures by AWACS show that F-16 was used but point to ponder is that there was no AWACS of IAF in the air because the only one in the air was to change the shift and had been grounded as per IAF in their earlier reports. Fifth one is that all four BVR missiles including two R-73 and two R-77 with their seeker heads were found from the wreckage of MiG-21B and they are on display in various reports which means that Abhinandan never fired a missile at all while the minimum distance between an F-16, which were used as a backup when JF-17 successfully hit the target, and Indian jets was 50+ kms. Sixth thing is that many Indian Army posts and ammunition depots were also targeted but IAF in their media talk said that no “significant” damage has been done to us. My other point is that as India initially said that their mirages came inside Pakistani territory somewhere around 80 kms but later the narrative was changed to 5 nautical miles and that Spice-2000 were fired which itself is a Range Extension Kit like the one produced by Pakistan. Why was the narrative changed. Why is not a single figure of the casualties given by India? While your ministers were using figures from 300-450. Everything India claimed has backfired with not a single proof on anything. PAF had the guts to hit India within 24 hours of when they said that we will surprise you and that too in day light. Initially, the engine of MiG-21B was shown to be the engine of F-16. Even a naswar wrapper was shown as proof on Zee News. At last, I have the screenshots of Zee News that two of your jets crashed in Indian occupied Kashmir. They said it was MiG-21 and that both the pilots died. MiG-21 carries one pilot. Similarly, initially Indian media said that Su-30 shot down an F-16 but later they changed narrative. IAF said that Su-30 pilots did a great job by dodging the AIM-120C. Lots and lots of lies by Indian side couldn’t be covered up. A lot more to come because we have more proof on shooting down your Su-30.
Pakistan is always busy lying for everything. Let it be the wars they fought with India, let it be their own crumbling economy or a country full of shitty mujahid terrorists. Secondly you people talking about USA reports of no casualties of F-16 fighter by a Mig 21. Wake up idiots…it’s a USA built fighter jet and news of it getting killed by almost an Era old Mig 21 will kill it’s market and morale of their F-16 pilots as well because now they regret of giving their jets to idiotic Pakistani pilots who didn’t knew how to fly F-16 and got it killed.
And everyone knows the game of good and bad publicity. You know lies don’t have tail.
All four missiles of MIG 21 are with Pakistan that’s also a lie right? Only Indian government speak the truth who disowned their pilot at first and said none of IAF pilot are missing and accepted him as an Indian pilot when his video of being captured went viral
All four missiles of MIG 21 are with Pakistan that’s also a lie right? Indian government who disowned their pilot at first and said none of IAF pilot are missing and accepted him as an Indian pilot when his video of being captured went viral