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Many people say that IAS officers are technically qualified as they are doctors, engineers, CAs.. Now let me ask one question… It takes at least 20-22 years for a newly recruited ias officer to be appointed as secretaries in various ministries right? So do you think that these officers will remember everything they learned as doctors, engineers and CAs even after 20-22 years..,? Because when they are posted in Districts they don’t do anything which requires them to use their knowledge! So their so called education becomes obsolete! If you ask an ias officer to give lecture on any subject she can do only for about 10-20 minutes.. That too is doubtful.. But if you ask a specialist on same subject to do the same she can lecture for as long as 5-8 hours.. Even more than that! This is the difference between dumb generalists and qualified specialist! Accept that! Cause now the world knows about Indian bureaucracy s incompetency and there’s no denying that!
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Everybody knows about IAS Association
… A weak body which can only Think of doing something…. The say that IAS officers are technically qualified as they are doctors, engineers, CAs.. Now let me ask one question… It takes at least 20-22 years for a newly recruited ias officer to be appointed as secretaries in various ministries right? So do you think that these officers will remember everything they learned as doctors, engineers and CAs even after 20-22 years..,? Because when they are posted in Districts they don’t do anything which requires them to use their knowledge! So their so called education becomes obsolete! If you ask an ias officer to give lecture on any subject she can do only for about 10-20 minutes.. That too is doubtful.. But if you ask a specialist on same subject to do the same she can lecture for as long as 5-8 hours.. Even more than that! This is the difference between dumb generalists and qualified specialist! Accept that! Cause now the world knows about Indian bureaucracy s incompetency and there’s no denying that!
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Lateral entry as per the policy of the central government is an exemplary move in as much the country needs expertise from several fields with domain wisdom pooling from both private sectors and government as well as Govt undertakings. Expertise and experience have branched off manifold which the experts really deserve to take the country forward. I agree there are very few IAS Officers who very much outstanding by dint of hard work, tenacity and perseverance awfully- hats off to them. Rest are mostly routine goers and simple go getters unlike some of the top echelon s in both private and public sectors where promotion is a mountain requiring sustained efforts and not an escalator of seniority.
Government is bringing right kind of reforms in shaping bureaucracy through performance and efficiency model over years in perpetuated thing. Purchasing Cinema tickets with right to entrance in Cinema halls for ever and enjoying crushy and cost life is not a guaranteed verdict in our society.
They should not be promoted above deputy Secretary level.Above Day secretary level all ministry should have technical specialist recruited for 5 years tenure extendable for deserving candidates and to be given extension on case to case basis and not as a routine.All the perks like big bungalow,car,servants etc should be removed and they should manage at their own. This will reduce corruption also
I 100% agree..How a person who has no knowledge of health sectors can be appointed as health secretary? Ias officers are not sarvagyani (one who knows it all). Plus now their perks are reduced too. Now even red beacon cannot come to their rescue! I bet IAS ASSOCIATION will commit suicide if this is implemented!
If they are feeling so offended with the Generalist tag, then they shouldn’t have opted for IAS .
Government of India should bring more experts to different Ministries by lateral entry, 15 is not enough. In the past also telecom expert has become Telecom , Secretary, Educationist has become Education Secretary, financial wizards have come Finance Secretary. Rather the present PM Modi is conservative in this regard.
In the end, it all boils down to the individual. How firm his/her commitment to the overall cause of serving the people, and not the number of elite club memberships,
is what makes all the difference. Sadly, the young officers are soon forced to trade idealism with arrogance, incompetence and corruption. So much so, by the time they’re into their 30s’, they become members of the Indian Arrogant Service, far removed from the common man. The imperialists needed such glorified clerks. Democratic India doesn’t. Disband the darn service. Earlier the better. We’ve a stronger “steel frame” to run the country — our constitution, however imperfect it maybe.
I feel that our respected PM has taken a bold step and rightly understood the problem which none did before.The lateral induction is a bold move. What needs to be done is getting more engineers and experts into the joint secretary level post through lateral induction. Merely 10 seats will not suffice. The next step is 50 experts inducted.Then see the effect it has.In fact the Govt should induct officers from other central org through deputation as much as possible. Deputation gives you both benefit of expertise and experience in the related field.Its a great move by our PM and the vacancies need to increase main fold immediately.
Civil aspirants who clear the exam are the jack of all trades ,people always misinterpret that jack of all trades means master of none if one person can learn all the domain he can become master of any domain he wants only thing need to be changed his experience inside particular ministries he should not be transferred frequently to different ministries
You people who are calling themselves specialist are the best example of brain drain as well as they are the drains where nation’s money and energy.you are the murder of the promising talents of country by grabbing the seat in IIT,IIM,AIIMS and other technical institutions of the country to become a generalist standing with a common graduate to compete and become A Civil servant .This iron mantle as thought by Sardar Patel has become too rusted to clean up but to break this edifice.
Just having qualifications do not make some one an expert. One has to learn lot of things from experience. A Civil engineer can not become an expert in town planning. In almost all the smart city project, the CEOs are IAS. Then one can very well imagine the fate and outcome of the smart city project.
If they were so anxious to work on the basis of their qualifications, they should have gone to that respective field. Such professionals by entering in to these services have eaten the seats of other genuine who were committed to service to humanity etc..Doctorss or engineers or specialists in field are required to be prohibited entry and the purpose of making doctors etc fails when they don’t go for their profession and country faces shortage. In reality, they come to services because of glamour as they know that they can earn more in this way. Tag of service is having something different underneath.
You do deserve generalist tag as long as you keep yourself obsessed with narcissist like syndrome without a friendly approach with the people sorrounding you. An engineer evolves with ages through active participation in the field for putting in his thoughts into practice and then aquire wisdom of considerable magnitude. You became penpusher with hardly much contribution in the present day of fast changing world demanding domain expertise.
Leave your sobjanta attitude and learn from people first.
Not only generalists, they “generally” don’t have the sense of belonging for any organisation they work with because they have so many future achievements in sight. Those who have, leave a print. Others simply leave.
So how does an MBBS supposed to run water management programme.First a seat of MBBS which cd have been used by another student to become doctor is wasted by a MBBS going into administrative services.Wastage of govt resources.How much money govt spends in making a doctor??.Best thing wd be to disband IAS.Keep a technocrat specialist for corresponding departments and keep managers for implementation.How does the MBBS knowledge help in running agriculture department.Would an MBBS IAS have more knowledge or wd a chief medical officer have more knowledge.
The association must see that their integrity is not compromised when confronting with politicians as it happened in Delhi. All of us know they became subservient to centre when centre and Delhi states are under conflict.
Unfortunately, quite number of officers are fully corrupt, exploiting weaker section. Misutilisation of government funds. not interested to develop their assigned area. Educating politicians to be more corrupt, how to loot government funds, enhance their wealth.
Jharkhand is the worest polluted corrupt state. No roads, no education, no medical, no public transport from a remote village to nearest town.
Latest news Chaibasa senior IAS officer has been proved dishonest, most corrupt, a lot of property acquired at various places in the name of his wife.
Hats off, fine tuned Taliban culture.
In coming years, threat to the nation than aatanki
Right to dissent on issues of principles and values, and, expression of free opinion with prejudice should be encouraged. This will definitely bring about transparency and accountability in the system
Any administrator has to a be generalist.Even technocrats in government services like myself are essentially generalists.If anybody wants to at the helm and hub of an organisation has to know something about everything and everything about something. It’s the same for politicians and entrepreneurs as well. So it is nothing wrong that the IAS are generalists with specialist backgrounds.
IAS is the British legacy minus their honesty. Most of the IAS today are just carreriets with no commitment but always dreaming about next promotion. They can push the files better than anything else. Thus it is better whatever higher position given to them should be brought down
If the technically qualified IAS officers were compitent enough in their own professions, they would have never opted for admisstrative jobs.
The view point has no place in the present setup.
Officers should not feel bad to carry “generalist” tag. That indicates the clear approach. A subject specialist gets bogged down by his limited understanding of the subject. Experts are available to offer the required input. Hence, seeking qualification basis for posting is not good.
This is well thinking plan on newly IAS candidate and government must consider such innovative solutions for improvement of governance and benefits of the common people problems from the routine governance.
Many people say that IAS officers are technically qualified as they are doctors, engineers, CAs.. Now let me ask one question… It takes at least 20-22 years for a newly recruited ias officer to be appointed as secretaries in various ministries right? So do you think that these officers will remember everything they learned as doctors, engineers and CAs even after 20-22 years..,? Because when they are posted in Districts they don’t do anything which requires them to use their knowledge! So their so called education becomes obsolete! If you ask an ias officer to give lecture on any subject she can do only for about 10-20 minutes.. That too is doubtful.. But if you ask a specialist on same subject to do the same she can lecture for as long as 5-8 hours.. Even more than that! This is the difference between dumb generalists and qualified specialist! Accept that! Cause now the world knows about Indian bureaucracy s incompetency and there’s no denying that!
.
Everybody knows about IAS Association
… A weak body which can only Think of doing something…. The say that IAS officers are technically qualified as they are doctors, engineers, CAs.. Now let me ask one question… It takes at least 20-22 years for a newly recruited ias officer to be appointed as secretaries in various ministries right? So do you think that these officers will remember everything they learned as doctors, engineers and CAs even after 20-22 years..,? Because when they are posted in Districts they don’t do anything which requires them to use their knowledge! So their so called education becomes obsolete! If you ask an ias officer to give lecture on any subject she can do only for about 10-20 minutes.. That too is doubtful.. But if you ask a specialist on same subject to do the same she can lecture for as long as 5-8 hours.. Even more than that! This is the difference between dumb generalists and qualified specialist! Accept that! Cause now the world knows about Indian bureaucracy s incompetency and there’s no denying that!
.
Lateral entry as per the policy of the central government is an exemplary move in as much the country needs expertise from several fields with domain wisdom pooling from both private sectors and government as well as Govt undertakings. Expertise and experience have branched off manifold which the experts really deserve to take the country forward. I agree there are very few IAS Officers who very much outstanding by dint of hard work, tenacity and perseverance awfully- hats off to them. Rest are mostly routine goers and simple go getters unlike some of the top echelon s in both private and public sectors where promotion is a mountain requiring sustained efforts and not an escalator of seniority.
Government is bringing right kind of reforms in shaping bureaucracy through performance and efficiency model over years in perpetuated thing. Purchasing Cinema tickets with right to entrance in Cinema halls for ever and enjoying crushy and cost life is not a guaranteed verdict in our society.
They should not be promoted above deputy Secretary level.Above Day secretary level all ministry should have technical specialist recruited for 5 years tenure extendable for deserving candidates and to be given extension on case to case basis and not as a routine.All the perks like big bungalow,car,servants etc should be removed and they should manage at their own. This will reduce corruption also
I 100% agree..How a person who has no knowledge of health sectors can be appointed as health secretary? Ias officers are not sarvagyani (one who knows it all). Plus now their perks are reduced too. Now even red beacon cannot come to their rescue! I bet IAS ASSOCIATION will commit suicide if this is implemented!
If they are feeling so offended with the Generalist tag, then they shouldn’t have opted for IAS .
Government of India should bring more experts to different Ministries by lateral entry, 15 is not enough. In the past also telecom expert has become Telecom , Secretary, Educationist has become Education Secretary, financial wizards have come Finance Secretary. Rather the present PM Modi is conservative in this regard.
In the end, it all boils down to the individual. How firm his/her commitment to the overall cause of serving the people, and not the number of elite club memberships,
is what makes all the difference. Sadly, the young officers are soon forced to trade idealism with arrogance, incompetence and corruption. So much so, by the time they’re into their 30s’, they become members of the Indian Arrogant Service, far removed from the common man. The imperialists needed such glorified clerks. Democratic India doesn’t. Disband the darn service. Earlier the better. We’ve a stronger “steel frame” to run the country — our constitution, however imperfect it maybe.
I feel that our respected PM has taken a bold step and rightly understood the problem which none did before.The lateral induction is a bold move. What needs to be done is getting more engineers and experts into the joint secretary level post through lateral induction. Merely 10 seats will not suffice. The next step is 50 experts inducted.Then see the effect it has.In fact the Govt should induct officers from other central org through deputation as much as possible. Deputation gives you both benefit of expertise and experience in the related field.Its a great move by our PM and the vacancies need to increase main fold immediately.
Civil aspirants who clear the exam are the jack of all trades ,people always misinterpret that jack of all trades means master of none if one person can learn all the domain he can become master of any domain he wants only thing need to be changed his experience inside particular ministries he should not be transferred frequently to different ministries
You people who are calling themselves specialist are the best example of brain drain as well as they are the drains where nation’s money and energy.you are the murder of the promising talents of country by grabbing the seat in IIT,IIM,AIIMS and other technical institutions of the country to become a generalist standing with a common graduate to compete and become A Civil servant .This iron mantle as thought by Sardar Patel has become too rusted to clean up but to break this edifice.
Just having qualifications do not make some one an expert. One has to learn lot of things from experience. A Civil engineer can not become an expert in town planning. In almost all the smart city project, the CEOs are IAS. Then one can very well imagine the fate and outcome of the smart city project.
If they were so anxious to work on the basis of their qualifications, they should have gone to that respective field. Such professionals by entering in to these services have eaten the seats of other genuine who were committed to service to humanity etc..Doctorss or engineers or specialists in field are required to be prohibited entry and the purpose of making doctors etc fails when they don’t go for their profession and country faces shortage. In reality, they come to services because of glamour as they know that they can earn more in this way. Tag of service is having something different underneath.
You do deserve generalist tag as long as you keep yourself obsessed with narcissist like syndrome without a friendly approach with the people sorrounding you. An engineer evolves with ages through active participation in the field for putting in his thoughts into practice and then aquire wisdom of considerable magnitude. You became penpusher with hardly much contribution in the present day of fast changing world demanding domain expertise.
Leave your sobjanta attitude and learn from people first.
Not only generalists, they “generally” don’t have the sense of belonging for any organisation they work with because they have so many future achievements in sight. Those who have, leave a print. Others simply leave.
So how does an MBBS supposed to run water management programme.First a seat of MBBS which cd have been used by another student to become doctor is wasted by a MBBS going into administrative services.Wastage of govt resources.How much money govt spends in making a doctor??.Best thing wd be to disband IAS.Keep a technocrat specialist for corresponding departments and keep managers for implementation.How does the MBBS knowledge help in running agriculture department.Would an MBBS IAS have more knowledge or wd a chief medical officer have more knowledge.
The association must see that their integrity is not compromised when confronting with politicians as it happened in Delhi. All of us know they became subservient to centre when centre and Delhi states are under conflict.
Unfortunately, quite number of officers are fully corrupt, exploiting weaker section. Misutilisation of government funds. not interested to develop their assigned area. Educating politicians to be more corrupt, how to loot government funds, enhance their wealth.
Jharkhand is the worest polluted corrupt state. No roads, no education, no medical, no public transport from a remote village to nearest town.
Latest news Chaibasa senior IAS officer has been proved dishonest, most corrupt, a lot of property acquired at various places in the name of his wife.
Hats off, fine tuned Taliban culture.
In coming years, threat to the nation than aatanki
Ever seen a leech? If not, just see an IAS officer.
Right to dissent on issues of principles and values, and, expression of free opinion with prejudice should be encouraged. This will definitely bring about transparency and accountability in the system
Any administrator has to a be generalist.Even technocrats in government services like myself are essentially generalists.If anybody wants to at the helm and hub of an organisation has to know something about everything and everything about something. It’s the same for politicians and entrepreneurs as well. So it is nothing wrong that the IAS are generalists with specialist backgrounds.
IAS is the British legacy minus their honesty. Most of the IAS today are just carreriets with no commitment but always dreaming about next promotion. They can push the files better than anything else. Thus it is better whatever higher position given to them should be brought down
If the technically qualified IAS officers were compitent enough in their own professions, they would have never opted for admisstrative jobs.
The view point has no place in the present setup.
Agree
Officers should not feel bad to carry “generalist” tag. That indicates the clear approach. A subject specialist gets bogged down by his limited understanding of the subject. Experts are available to offer the required input. Hence, seeking qualification basis for posting is not good.
Most of them are proffessionals but they opt for arts and humanities subjects to qualify for IAS! isn’t it true?
This is well thinking plan on newly IAS candidate and government must consider such innovative solutions for improvement of governance and benefits of the common people problems from the routine governance.