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Yes India/ Indian are little lazy but not as trickister like China since 1947 Indian independence These so called Chinese have always back stabbed in ever corner of global platform!! It’s a mistake of our Cheap political system of that time & Cheap Character of INC/ Communist parties of our Nation who had sold our nation for penny under British Raj!! But Now we grown to Wake / Make up India under leadership of great Human MODIJI ! Making India a self Reliant Nation is Prime objective of our leadership in well defined means “SABKA SAAT SABKA VIKAS””YES INDIA has to learn many thing from Many Nation and even China but not at Expansionist policy of Neighborhood!! Once a great said We can change our Friends but not our Neighbours this one Mantra i would personally suggest to China!! Co-operation with Mutual Respect will be in favour of both the Nation Instead of this Everything in NONSENSE!! DON’T TRY WITH INDIA?? After all every lesson in your country is written by our Own TEACHER!! Buddam sharanum Gatchami!!
Yeah but the Chinese fought to bring down the mongol and manchu dynasty. And they succeded as opposed to the Indians who mostly failed to bring down thd Mughal or the British. Also the Chinese didn’t adopt the language of the manchu and mongolian.
If someone wants to think about today and perhaps future. What’s been development for India is to rob resources of Western Maharashtra and to throw its peace loving people into abyss of Delhi type pollution by destroying the beautiful Sahyadri. If the 100 crore heartland couldn’t bring any modern changes in their own territory in past seven decades, what make people think giving these stupid people any controlling power in decision making is going to bring any good. I don’t know how hard it is for Maharashtrians to sense the weak potential of this stupid civilization and what’s their definition of hope.
The suggestion inherent in the lengthy and largely accurate analysis above only works when China and India sit at a table as equals. A long term solution perhaps. In medium term the only thing that can bring balance is economic and military deterrence. In short term the only thing that can maintain a no war detente is diplomacy, threat of reflective costs and sheer dumb luck.
Great insight. Only an experienced and high caliber intellectual could have scoured so deep and analytically and cleared the fog which is unknowingly ingrained in the minds of both the people. A delight to read and a lot to ponder over. Hope it goes to high desks which matter the most.
Foolish Indians, they never learn they always react to their emotions. No country want to be like china?? You are literally trying everything you can to be China but you forgot one thing you’re not Confucious descendants, you’re stupid and one more thing you lack wisdom, your culture is joke, you’re little slaves of the west, you adapted democracy but is Narendra Hitler Modi a democratic leader, you look stupid with you stupid clothes of CLOWNS you fools.
This is bogus — Tagore himself repeatedly said it was not
Your imagination is as dumb as your intellect. Some British reporter spinned a story and people like you believe that fake news even after 100 years. ‘Bharata Bhagya vidhata’ was never the British emperor. Mr. Tagore has clarified it many times.
This song was written to welcome king George.
This was sung in honor of king George.
Who was the adhinayak of India?
Who was bharat bhagya vidhata?
Please enlighten aam Janata who are they saying jai hai to.
I would rather switch to Vande matram by Bankim ji which was also the majority view of the constituent assembly in 47.
Utter lack of exposure ( not knowledge which is a distant cry for such fools) to Vedas and Upanishads makes one to generate venoms and to unashamedly spew it. Please make a sincere effort to learn them by heart and head.
Vedas and Upanishads are obligatory pre-requisites to understand many of the creations of Tagore, in particular, the ‘ Jana Gana Mana’.
Vidhata means The Almighty God, not King George to correct a mistake interpretation above.
Tagore was the biggest slave of the British! That good for nothing big mouth only talked the talk, never walked the walk! All his life, he never worked but lived on grandfather’s zamindari provided by the British and sand for his British master!
It refer to all mighty and not tiny
King George! And if you want to
believe otherwise, nobody can
help!
It is a great article with in-depth and objective analysis. I hope the Chinese and Indian people can one day cross the gap of mis-understanding and engage peacefully in this world.
Well written article. The only way to deal with the Chinese threat and perceptions is rise economically. Our political leadership is not educated enough to envision and implement policies that will take us there. As another reader commented, we are frittering away our demographic dividend. It is really not so relevant what Chinese perceptions are today. We want to shape what happens tomorrow.
Reforms are in orders. We need to change our character as a nation. We are still brown sahebs. Enslaved intellectuals. All it takes is to watch our English News Channles that bring in Western folks as experts. All it takes is to look at our Historians and intellectuals that quote, cite and refer to western interpretations of India. Hell we still acknowledge and teach the Aryan Invasion Theory to our children. We do not teach any of our ancient Philosophies to our Kids. We think that is not secular. Should we look at the presense Islamic and Christian faiths that stop the majority of the nation to look at its past? The ones that want to are branded Right Wing Hindutva crowd…
Till these attitudes change we will be slaves of the WEST!!! China is right to view us as such!!!
While we have much to learn from China that is positive there are also negative lessons to be taken away. Some of the latter are a result of the difference between our nations as a result of the different philosophies of our founding fathers, Mao and Gandhi.
Good article but missing is how much of China’s thinking of Indian was influenced by Communism in the 20th century and added to the negative perception and whether, this additional negative perception was contributed by Indian communists since the demonstration blocking the roads is a typical trade union encouraged by Communists phenomena.
There is nothing unusual to accepting rulers whose origin was foreign as part of ones nation’s history. The British do not treat the Normans as foreign occupiers and the Chinese regard Mongols and Manchus as part of their nation. All those foreign people who came and for some time ruled India have added to the the wonderful fabric of our country.
Very intelligently and wisely said. If only the stupid hindutva can understand this.
The biggest difference between China and India is that the Chinese have readily taken up the role of the workshop of the West. A choice that Indira Gandhi refused when Robert McNamara made it. It is true that the Chinese have taken up more readily to Western influences be it Marxism, architecture,music to even the choice of clothes. If you walk into any Chinese city most are copies of Western towns and cities. In the process of becoming strong and powerful China has lost it’s own cultural moorings if they ever existed. Add to this environmental destruction on an industrial scale. Indians on the other hand although ruled by ‘foreigners’ never let go of their roots and are now engaged in a process of rediscovery.
Nehru and our diplomats (Shyam Sharan definitely included) always had deep fascination for China. What he spoke was known even in 1950s and is not something of a revelation now. Any one visiting China and moving around in different places gets a sense of Chinese attitude towards India or read any book by the Chinese regarding Hinduism, India etc to understand their deep (but irrational) animosity against India. In fact, it is well known that both China and Japan looked down upon India and never counted it as a country of any consequence.
We were never practical in our international relations and clouded our vision with idiotic romanticism.
Luckily, post Galwan, Modi had to change India’s stance and become practical, realistic and transactional. India will deal with China firmly and squarely. Just like surgical strikes and Balakot bombings, Galwan and martyrdom of Col Babu and 20 soldiers has changed the calculus for India.
Whatever be the past, India will now deal with China squarely and will lead the world in blocking China’s predatory ambitions.
Of course, we will notice that many China lovers like Shyam Saran will cane their tunes in line with changing times!!!
Forget China’s history. Also India’s, for that matter. Focus on the recent past, what China has done right, notably since 1978. Where we have been unable to build upon the promising reforms of 1991. Till the economic gap is bridged, the world will not refer to the two countries in the same breath. We are allowing our demographic dividend to melt away.
One should remember that china ushered economic reforms in 1978 ,while India did it in 1991.Now the PPP GDP ratio of China vs India is 2.24,i.e., China’s GDP is two and a quarter times more the India’s.So by another 13 years I think India’s GDP will be same as China’s present GDP.So the rate of GDP is not much different.But of course to catch up with China we have to grow faster.
And we look at them now and say “We don’t want to be China” despite those city scape facades that is pushed as development. A cheap clone of paris, clone of timessquare and cheap clones of everything in the world. Unfortunately no country on Planet Earth wants to be a clone of china despite them shouting from the roof tops. Oops!!. Sorry I misspoke. Some one wants to be clone of china. That is “Pakistan” and “North Korea”. What a great company to be in?
Yes India/ Indian are little lazy but not as trickister like China since 1947 Indian independence These so called Chinese have always back stabbed in ever corner of global platform!! It’s a mistake of our Cheap political system of that time & Cheap Character of INC/ Communist parties of our Nation who had sold our nation for penny under British Raj!! But Now we grown to Wake / Make up India under leadership of great Human MODIJI ! Making India a self Reliant Nation is Prime objective of our leadership in well defined means “SABKA SAAT SABKA VIKAS””YES INDIA has to learn many thing from Many Nation and even China but not at Expansionist policy of Neighborhood!! Once a great said We can change our Friends but not our Neighbours this one Mantra i would personally suggest to China!! Co-operation with Mutual Respect will be in favour of both the Nation Instead of this Everything in NONSENSE!! DON’T TRY WITH INDIA?? After all every lesson in your country is written by our Own TEACHER!! Buddam sharanum Gatchami!!
Yeah but the Chinese fought to bring down the mongol and manchu dynasty. And they succeded as opposed to the Indians who mostly failed to bring down thd Mughal or the British. Also the Chinese didn’t adopt the language of the manchu and mongolian.
The strength of Indians was mostly eclipsed by “cultural unity but political diversity”. Strength is inherent in Indian mind dynamic people
The strength of Indians was mostly eclipsed by cultural unity but political diversity. Strength is inherent in Indian mind dynamic people.
Without much resistance? India gave the best resistance to the british which possibly no other country could have given.
India never existed before 1947 in the first place. If not for Britishers there won’t be “India” as a nation
If someone wants to think about today and perhaps future. What’s been development for India is to rob resources of Western Maharashtra and to throw its peace loving people into abyss of Delhi type pollution by destroying the beautiful Sahyadri. If the 100 crore heartland couldn’t bring any modern changes in their own territory in past seven decades, what make people think giving these stupid people any controlling power in decision making is going to bring any good. I don’t know how hard it is for Maharashtrians to sense the weak potential of this stupid civilization and what’s their definition of hope.
The suggestion inherent in the lengthy and largely accurate analysis above only works when China and India sit at a table as equals. A long term solution perhaps. In medium term the only thing that can bring balance is economic and military deterrence. In short term the only thing that can maintain a no war detente is diplomacy, threat of reflective costs and sheer dumb luck.
Great insight. Only an experienced and high caliber intellectual could have scoured so deep and analytically and cleared the fog which is unknowingly ingrained in the minds of both the people. A delight to read and a lot to ponder over. Hope it goes to high desks which matter the most.
Foolish Indians, they never learn they always react to their emotions. No country want to be like china?? You are literally trying everything you can to be China but you forgot one thing you’re not Confucious descendants, you’re stupid and one more thing you lack wisdom, your culture is joke, you’re little slaves of the west, you adapted democracy but is Narendra Hitler Modi a democratic leader, you look stupid with you stupid clothes of CLOWNS you fools.
go to hell
You just got justification for your name….. CHILD ?
Thanks for an incredible details and about history we hardly get these kind of details these days anywhere in paper or news.
To add, Tagore was praised for noble prize.
However I am ashamed of singing national anthem now as I have uncovered the meaning of it.
Our anthem extols king George and sings paeans of British rule.
It says from length and breadth of India and it’s people we say jai hai to bharat’s bhagya vidhata who is none else than king George.
This is enslavement of minds and psyche 100 years in running.
We should be agitated and disturbed by it but we proudly sing it and wear it as a badge of honor.
No wonder Chinese got everything about Indians right.
This is bogus — Tagore himself repeatedly said it was not
Your imagination is as dumb as your intellect. Some British reporter spinned a story and people like you believe that fake news even after 100 years. ‘Bharata Bhagya vidhata’ was never the British emperor. Mr. Tagore has clarified it many times.
This song was written to welcome king George.
This was sung in honor of king George.
Who was the adhinayak of India?
Who was bharat bhagya vidhata?
Please enlighten aam Janata who are they saying jai hai to.
I would rather switch to Vande matram by Bankim ji which was also the majority view of the constituent assembly in 47.
Utter lack of exposure ( not knowledge which is a distant cry for such fools) to Vedas and Upanishads makes one to generate venoms and to unashamedly spew it. Please make a sincere effort to learn them by heart and head.
Vedas and Upanishads are obligatory pre-requisites to understand many of the creations of Tagore, in particular, the ‘ Jana Gana Mana’.
Vidhata means The Almighty God, not King George to correct a mistake interpretation above.
Tagore was the biggest slave of the British! That good for nothing big mouth only talked the talk, never walked the walk! All his life, he never worked but lived on grandfather’s zamindari provided by the British and sand for his British master!
It refer to all mighty and not tiny
King George! And if you want to
believe otherwise, nobody can
help!
It is a great article with in-depth and objective analysis. I hope the Chinese and Indian people can one day cross the gap of mis-understanding and engage peacefully in this world.
Well written article. The only way to deal with the Chinese threat and perceptions is rise economically. Our political leadership is not educated enough to envision and implement policies that will take us there. As another reader commented, we are frittering away our demographic dividend. It is really not so relevant what Chinese perceptions are today. We want to shape what happens tomorrow.
Reforms are in orders. We need to change our character as a nation. We are still brown sahebs. Enslaved intellectuals. All it takes is to watch our English News Channles that bring in Western folks as experts. All it takes is to look at our Historians and intellectuals that quote, cite and refer to western interpretations of India. Hell we still acknowledge and teach the Aryan Invasion Theory to our children. We do not teach any of our ancient Philosophies to our Kids. We think that is not secular. Should we look at the presense Islamic and Christian faiths that stop the majority of the nation to look at its past? The ones that want to are branded Right Wing Hindutva crowd…
Till these attitudes change we will be slaves of the WEST!!! China is right to view us as such!!!
While we have much to learn from China that is positive there are also negative lessons to be taken away. Some of the latter are a result of the difference between our nations as a result of the different philosophies of our founding fathers, Mao and Gandhi.
Good article but missing is how much of China’s thinking of Indian was influenced by Communism in the 20th century and added to the negative perception and whether, this additional negative perception was contributed by Indian communists since the demonstration blocking the roads is a typical trade union encouraged by Communists phenomena.
The gist from this article is quite clear and Chinese impressions are accurate.
Indians were slave for thousand years. Mongols, Arabs, Turks, British all ruled over Indians.
Instead of washing the tag of this enslavement we celebrate it by extolling the marauders, rapists, tyrants.
Unless we get rid of this mindset we will continue to be slaves.
A society which feels ashamed of its heritage and culture and on every occasion celebrates mongols mughal British tyranny deserves it.
There is nothing unusual to accepting rulers whose origin was foreign as part of ones nation’s history. The British do not treat the Normans as foreign occupiers and the Chinese regard Mongols and Manchus as part of their nation. All those foreign people who came and for some time ruled India have added to the the wonderful fabric of our country.
Very intelligently and wisely said. If only the stupid hindutva can understand this.
The biggest difference between China and India is that the Chinese have readily taken up the role of the workshop of the West. A choice that Indira Gandhi refused when Robert McNamara made it. It is true that the Chinese have taken up more readily to Western influences be it Marxism, architecture,music to even the choice of clothes. If you walk into any Chinese city most are copies of Western towns and cities. In the process of becoming strong and powerful China has lost it’s own cultural moorings if they ever existed. Add to this environmental destruction on an industrial scale. Indians on the other hand although ruled by ‘foreigners’ never let go of their roots and are now engaged in a process of rediscovery.
Exactly!
Nehru and our diplomats (Shyam Sharan definitely included) always had deep fascination for China. What he spoke was known even in 1950s and is not something of a revelation now. Any one visiting China and moving around in different places gets a sense of Chinese attitude towards India or read any book by the Chinese regarding Hinduism, India etc to understand their deep (but irrational) animosity against India. In fact, it is well known that both China and Japan looked down upon India and never counted it as a country of any consequence.
We were never practical in our international relations and clouded our vision with idiotic romanticism.
Luckily, post Galwan, Modi had to change India’s stance and become practical, realistic and transactional. India will deal with China firmly and squarely. Just like surgical strikes and Balakot bombings, Galwan and martyrdom of Col Babu and 20 soldiers has changed the calculus for India.
Whatever be the past, India will now deal with China squarely and will lead the world in blocking China’s predatory ambitions.
Of course, we will notice that many China lovers like Shyam Saran will cane their tunes in line with changing times!!!
Forget China’s history. Also India’s, for that matter. Focus on the recent past, what China has done right, notably since 1978. Where we have been unable to build upon the promising reforms of 1991. Till the economic gap is bridged, the world will not refer to the two countries in the same breath. We are allowing our demographic dividend to melt away.
One should remember that china ushered economic reforms in 1978 ,while India did it in 1991.Now the PPP GDP ratio of China vs India is 2.24,i.e., China’s GDP is two and a quarter times more the India’s.So by another 13 years I think India’s GDP will be same as China’s present GDP.So the rate of GDP is not much different.But of course to catch up with China we have to grow faster.
And we look at them now and say “We don’t want to be China” despite those city scape facades that is pushed as development. A cheap clone of paris, clone of timessquare and cheap clones of everything in the world. Unfortunately no country on Planet Earth wants to be a clone of china despite them shouting from the roof tops. Oops!!. Sorry I misspoke. Some one wants to be clone of china. That is “Pakistan” and “North Korea”. What a great company to be in?