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Ambedkar had predicted, should Indians migrate to other countries, they will make caste a problem for the world.
rasgolla: Your chicanery is quite visible in this regard. You are giving numbers where it is convenient to you and omitting them where it really matters. I have no doubt about it that the majority of Brahmins are condemning this dreaded criminal- who is now dead. By the way, what stops you from writing the comments here with your original ID/name?
‘I have no doubt about it that the majority of Brahmins are condemning this dreaded criminal- who is now dead.
That is an opinion unbacked by any facts. You have not asked even one Brahmin.
Prove to me your name is original.
Rasgolla: Mr Murtada speaks sense. You cannot simply pull numbers out of a hat and pass it as the gospel truth. That is chicanery and
How many Brahmins have you canvassed to buttress your argument? After all, you are the one to claim – without a shred of evidence – that all Brahmins back this criminal.
Your vacuous, hate-filled, anti Hindu posts do more harm than good for Indian Muslims. They need to be dismissed. As journalist Christopher Hitchens famously said:
“.. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof ..”
Your inconsistent trying to be too clever.
Rasgolla: Mr Murtada speaks sense. You cannot simply pull numbers out of a hat and pass it as the gospel truth. That is chicanery and
“.. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof ..”
You can apply that to Mr. Murtada. He claimed : ‘I have no doubt about it that the majority of Brahmins are condemning this dreaded criminal- who is now dead.’
I wrote : ‘That is an opinion unbacked by any facts. You have not asked even one Brahmin.’
Mr. Murtada’s assertion is without proof, then why are you butting in and telling me he is correct. Your quotation applies to Mr. Murtada.
Brahmins are a scheming, manipulative lot. They are the lynchpins of Hindu fascism. So why are you defending them ?
Rasgolla: Mr Murtada speaks sense. You cannot simply pull numbers out of a hat and pass it off as the gospel truth. That is chicanery of the worst sort.
How many Brahmins have you canvassed to buttress your argument? After all, you are the one to claim – without a shred of evidence – that all Brahmins back this criminal.
Your vacuous, hate-filled, anti Hindu posts do more harm than good for Indian Muslims. They need to be dismissed. As journalist Christopher Hitchens famously said:
“.. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof ..”
Who the bloody hell are you to demand proof from other commenters here?
I find it odd that The Print has not banned you yet for your incendiary posts and the blatant hatred to Hindus and Hinduism you spout here.
Read the original post, Murtada is asking me for proof. He said he needs proof of my ID. I asked him to prove me his ID is real.
You seem to be burning inside, so you are butting in on his behalf, without looking at what he said and what I responded..
Learn to bat straight. I see you want censorship. Always the refuge of the weak minded when unable to debate.
Can you provide me the link of these posts . I would really like to cancel these idiots one by one . Thank you
It is funny how all the new age Hindutva Hindus are enraged about discussion of caste.
The same lot proudly show off their Hindu communalism to non-Hindus. But they do not want any skeletons in their cupboard to show. The Dubey incident shows the reality of caste and Hindu criminality. That is why they are angry with this article. They want to us to believe we have a new age, casteless Hinduism.
Whereas we all know caste is the bedrock of Hinduism. If there were no Muslims and Christians, there will be open caste warfare.
ek insan hota ek shaitan ,jati to ap logo ulzhane ki liye hai.
Learn to write English.
rasgolla: He doesn’t need to do that. Hindi is the most favoured language in India and is known almost to everybody. He is free to use it in a transliterated form to express himself, especially, when there is no such restriction to it from the website itself. How can we stop someone from expressing one’s thoughts or others from receiving those thoughts because of language barrier? I have understood well what he is trying to say. You also please try to learn and love Hindi and become all-inclusive rather than attempt to appear more than equal because of the knowledge of some language; which language I am sure might not be your native language even. By the way, is “rasgolla” a Hindi word or an English word, Mr Arrogant?
Who told you Hindi is the most favoured language ? It is the language of cow belt Hindus., and shakha boys. Others do not want it imposed on them.
Next you will tell me the cow is the most favoured animal, and its urine is the most favoured drink and you will advise me to drink it and learn to love it. You have a gobar filled mind.
Hindi is the most favoured language in India – like cow piss is the most favoured drink of Hindus. I suppose your next advice will be to learn to love gomutra because the majority loves it.
Mr Rasgolla: Pontificating fact-free, un-researched and virulently anti-Hindu claims is clearly your forte. Not only does your drivel make many Hindus, Christians and Sikhs turn against bigoted Paki Muslims like you, it also gives a pretext to the Hindutva Nazis to continue their attacks on India’s law-abiding Muslims. Most of whom are too marginalised to be able to defend themselves from the onslaught of rabid Hindutva and yet are held accountable for the hatred of Hindus that your ilk spews with such enthusiasm. I refer to your latest asinine utterance and testament to your gross inability to examine your own self and your own religion in the mirror before braying:
“.. we all know caste is the bedrock of Hinduism. If there were no Muslims and Christians, there will be open caste warfare ..”
Well, you seem to forget that the vast majority of Muslims, Christians and Sikhs were converts from Hinduism and that they took their caste with them to their new religions. And practise casteism with a vehemence and violence that often makes the Hindu caste-based intolerance a storm in a teacup. Fact is, caste is far more entrenched and far more vigorously practised in Indian Islam and Christianity then even in Hinduism. And by the term Indian Islam, I refer to Islam that is seen in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh where trade, proselytisation and forced conversions have resulted in large Muslim minorities.
Take for instance the Pakistani matrimonial site getrishta.com for Muslims. You can specify caste to such a degree of precision that one might be forgiven if one thinks one is actually dealing with a caste obsessed, idol-worshipping Hindu and not a believer in the Qur’an. At that site, caste is one of the criteria in the “Quick Search” page and from the drop down menu, you can specify whether you are the following sub-castes of say Rajputs: Bhatti, Rana, Chohan, Janjua, Sulehri, Khokhar, Manj, Minhas, Rao, Satti, Jarral etc. etc. So much for equality among Muslims and a casteless Islam !!
The notion that conversion to monotheistic, supposedly caste free religions is sheer nonsense. You see similar trends in Christianity as well. For the BBC article on caste in Christianity “Indian Dalits find no refuge from caste in Christianity”, see ref: bbc.in/2C62b20. For an Al Jazeera documentary on the discrimination in Islam towards Dalit converts to Islam, see ref: bit.ly/2BYsA20. Indeed, even when it comes to burials, Indian Muslims have separate cemeteries with caste being a criterion for where one gets buried.
Discrimination within Islam is not solely an Indian phenomenon either. In Europe where I live, Turkish Muslims who consider themselves European look down upon Arab Muslims who in turn look down upon Pakistani Muslims who in turn look down upon Bangladeshi Muslims and at the bottom of the heap, you see dark-skinned Somali or African Muslims.
Sorry Rasgolla, Islam has not ridden itself of discrimination or casteism.
I never raised Islam. I made the observation caste is the bedrock of Indian society. There is no such thing as Indian, nor even Hindu. India is an inexplicable collection of castes. The converts to other religions may hold some caste tendencies, but it is not as rigid. You want to explain it away by pretending it is the same with all religions.
Read the scandal in the US tech company Cisco. Dalits have launched a case against the company for caste discrimination by two Brahmin managers. It it Muslims or Christians who are likely to do this to people abroad ?
Get real. Ambedkar said “If Hindus migrate to other regions on earth, Indian Caste would become a world problem,”
That is proved by the Cisco scandal. Your rage proves if I scratch your skin, you will behave the same way.
The article has rightly exposed nature of U. P. caste contradictions. The reactions of brahmins and their organisations how they are united in criminality also.
The way even politicians are for uniting brahmin might through this incident speaks of caste as bedrock of Indian society. Both Congress, bjp and brahmans are talking in the same tongue.
Caste is indeed the bedrock of Indian society. Not only has it united Congress and BJP, even in this message board, Kili Jolsiyar who has been posing as anti Hindutva, has become enraged at this being pointed out, and is demanding censorship.
Don’t forget most of the officers in up police who did the encounter were also brahmins. Print should stop spreading this fake propaganda against brahmins. You’re making fake posts such that stupid people start hating brahmins. I’m also a brahmin and I say that Vikas dubey died like a dog!
Dubey the history sheeter was a Brahmin criminal. You inform us the police who encountered him (and thereby did a criminal offence themselves) are also Brahmins. So by your own assertion, Brahmins are an unscrupulous, criminally minded lot, and so will be hated. Why are you raging about it then ?
Mister rosogolla, by your utterly disgusting illogical comment ,we can also draw a conclusion that since all the terrorists are muslims, all the muslims are terrorists. What do you have to say about it?.. won’t you play the victim card now? There are these kinds of people in every community . You can’t blame the whole community for statements made by handful of people. So get your mind back to work rather than selling your one sided propaganda. No one gives a **** about your opinions.
Regardless of Dubey, I observe Brahmins have crippled India for centuries with the caste system and idolatry. Brahmins are the fountainhead of Hindu fascism. India needs to eliminate Brahmanism, only then it can even think about development.
You convert if you wish…I will never change by Identity…I am Brahmin …and my ideal are Chandrasekhar Azad,Rajguru,Ram Prasad Bismill,Sanyasi vidroh-Bhawani Pathak,Laxmi Bai,Tilak,WC Banerji,Bankim Chattopadhyay,CV Raman,Ramanujam,Vikram Sarabhai,Pratham Paramveer chakra Somnath Sharma,Ajit Doval,Rakesh Sharma…Sundar picchai,Satya Nadella,Indira Nooyi,Sanjay Jha,Suri ok…You did nothing and predicting and hating other in your non sense way.
You casteist writer you can write anything but let it be clear Rajputs and Brahmins are not opposed to each other.
“.. let it be clear Rajputs and Brahmins are not opposed to each other ..”
So is that the new caste coalition that is being stitched together? How durable will that alliance be Mr Rajvir Singh given that the caste coalitions in India are always dynamic ?
And then, care to inform as to which other castes / religions that this Rajput-Brahmin coalition is in opposition to ?
This Ahir writer can’t see anything beyond caste. Brahmin/Pandit and Rajputs/Thakurs are not mad caste centric like 3rd class family Ms Jyoti Castiest Yadav
ब्राम्हणोका राज आज भी है और कल भी रहेगा क्योकी यहाँ का बहुजन समाज मानसिक गुलाम जो है! खास तौर पर ओबीसी की यदी बात करे तो यह समाज ब्राम्हण और बनिया ईन जाती के पीछे पीछे रहकर खुद को सुरक्षित महसूस समजनेवाली ये कोम है! ओबीसी कौम की और एक मानसिकता बनी हुयी हैं वो याने की, ये लोग खुदही खुद को ब्राम्हण और बनिया से निचले जाती के समज कर एस सी, एस टी समाज के लोगों को अपनेसे ओर निचले जाती के समज कर उनका घुस्सा जादा तर यही ओबीसी समाज के लोग ही जादातर करते हुॅंए दिखेंगे! एस सी एसटी समाज के लोगोंको गावके बाहर रखने मे हो या इनका बदला लेना हो तो यही समाज के लोग आगे निकल कर आते है जिससे ब्राम्हण बनिया जैसे लोगोंका काम आसान हो जाता है. डॉ बाबासाहेब आंबेडकर ने समानता का सपना तो जरूर देखा मगर ब्राम्हणोकी चाल को साजा करणे का काम ओबीसी प्रवर्ग के लोग आसानिसे करते है! जब तक ओबीसी नही जाग जाता तब तक ब्राम्हण बनिया ईसी तरह इन शुद्र समाज पर राज करते रहेंगे. इसलीए दोष ब्राम्हणोको देना उचित नही होगा! डॉ बाबासाहेब आंबेडकर कहते हैं, कसूरदार वो नही जो किसी पर जुल्म करते है, कसुरदार तो वो है जो ऊस जुल्म को आसानीसे सहते है!
I have noticed that this Print Media is always biased agaisnt BJP and more than happy publish articles against it. I think you are a part of Lyutens media. Congress and the Communist parties are paying exorbitant money to do so. Please restrain from doing this. I know you will not publish this. Yet I have decided to convey the message loud and clear and see to it that other people also get this message also.
Mr NV Kotian: If you wish to read or hear about news that solely praises the BJP as opposed to indulging in critical journalism that holds the government of the day accountable, you are surely not limited for choice Sir. Paid media that sings parises to the BJP and Messiah Modi is the norm these days in India. Platforms like The Print, The Wire etc. are the few media houses that have bucked the trend and do not indulge in unlimited praise to the Gujaratis who rule and reign over the country.
Clearly, since truth and facts trigger deep allergies in you, I suggest you tune in to Arnab Göbbels Goswami’s hot air shows where you only hear praises being sung to the BJP and its Gujarati Messiah.
I hope I have conveyed the message loud and clear Mr NV Kotian !
Police Ko maroge , police tumko maregi
Ye koi mazak hai ki tum 8 policewalo ko maroge aur Shaan se ghumate rahoge,
Aise logo se caste ki pride badhti nhi…..aise logose Brahmans Ko sharam aati hai…..har community me kuch log hote hai jo aise logo support karte hai…….iska ye matlab thodi hai sab waise hi hai……agar ye bat hai to har muslim terrorist hai par Aisa nhi hai
Don’t plead for Brahmins using Muslims. Brahmins are accused of greater wickedness : they enslaved India with the caste system, and they are the masterminds of Hindu fascism. Brahmins are the reason India is crippled.
Vikas Dubey was a cop killer and a school headmaster murderer. Such scumbags don’t deserve any mercy and was rightly encountered by UP police / ATF. Congress is not going to make any inroads into brahmin vote bank as it is basically a muslim appeasing party right from Nehruvian era. The Congress has a notorious track record of maligning hindus and Brahmins. At this rate they won’t have any support from any community except the muslims and Christians due to roman catholic background of Sonia Gandhi. It is shameful of this author to write such polarizing articles!!!!!
The saying I heard was ‘The Brahmin plots, the bania finances, the sudra is the street fighter’. I used to wonder what is the role of the Kshatriyas. I thought it was to defend the borders. But now I see their desire is power to rule. Brahmins are meant to be advisers. But they became rulers. Kshatriyas want restoration of their rights.
Such a shitty article by a casteist journalist. Everyone know that congress want to gather some brahmin votes, and that the founder of the print is a congress lap dog. So this platform which consider itself fact driven is picking some random extremists post from social media and showing it as caste pride. How many people came out on roads pelted stones or cried like bitches on his encounter or arrest, none. But only some casteist like joyti yadav is crying over the caste of the gangster.
Just a little tip to Jyoti Yadav and The Print, people look right through your propaganda atleast put some effort in picking comments of some prominent people(not your masters from congress) to show put some weight in your article. And if you thinks that your casteist try to divide the communities will work than let me pop your bubble, brahmins voted heavily in 2017 elections for BJP but this time they will vote for YOGI who is bigger than BJP in UP.
By the way Jyoti Yadav this was a failed attempt to create further caste gaps, stick to BhimMeem type of articles only that suits you.
“.. How many people came out on roads pelted stones or cried like bitches on his encounter or arrest, none ..”
Well, when people disappeared or were killed or castrated in UP during Indira Gandhi’s hated Emergency during 1975-77, nobody came out in the streets to protest either. Most Indians do not bother what happens to their neighbour as long things are fine for themselves. It is only when your own loved ones disappear or get framed by the police that you protest and take notice.
For instance, in the Unnao rape case in 2017, BJP PM Kuldeep Sengar raped a SC girl and ensured that her father died in police custody. That horrendous case and the BJP MP’s attempts to intimidate witnesses, have them run over by a lorry etc. did not elicit much public attention either. Hence, public attention – or lack thereof – is no yardstick for justice having been done.
As a fairly senior police officer in the much better run state of Tamilnadu once confided to me :
“When the pressure from politicians is on to show that action has been taken, it suffices to arrest some wretched fellow, frame charges upon him, thrash him and make him sign a pre-prepared confession statement and declare that the case has been solved”
One hoped that such a fate does not befall you Mr Arun Kumar.
Mr Arun Kumar: You bray:
“.. brahmins voted heavily in 2017 elections for BJP but this time they will vote for YOGI who is bigger than BJP in UP. ..”
Yes, the BJP is the party of upper caste Hindus who believe that their interests are protected by a saffron thug who offers mandir as a solution to all of man’s problems. But bear in mind, many UPites – Brahmin or otherwise – are leaving UP in droves for the better run states of South India. Mandirnomics doesn’t put food in your stomach and UP is essentially emptying out.
And as regard the notion that the Yogi is bigger than the BJP, well you ought to pray for his health and hope that the Gujaratis in Delhi allow that to happen. After all, Amit Shah does practise the same violent methods used by the Yogi in subduing dissent and opposition doesn’t he?
Good last paragraph !
The Gujaratis might encounter Yogi.
Very true.. …trying hard to create rift. Most educated people including Brahmans are happy with the decisions of Yogi government.
Well said. Those forces will desperately try to whip up divisive sentiments.
Professional spin art journalist trying to create sensationism news article for publicity.
A person becomes a true brahmin by his noble deeds and not merely by birth. It is disgraceful that some members of the so called “brahmin community” take pride in defending the gangster & multiple murderer Vikas Dubey as a brahmin and his killing is killing of a brahmin.
यह ब्राह्मण समाज को नही देश को लज्जित करने वाला कार्य विकास दुबे ने किया , अपने ही गांव व आसपास अपने रिस्तेदारो’ का क़त्ल किया ,यही नही थाने में ब्राह्मण नेता का क़त्ल और पुलिस वालों की हत्या कर, यह सिध कर दिया राक्षस गुण, इसके सपोर्टर की पृवरती राक्षस के समान, इन्हें पता होना चाहिये ये हिन्दुस्तान है। जो एसा करेगा उसकी भी कुत्ते की मोत होगी, ऐसे व्यक्तियों को समाज मे रहने क अधिकार नहीं है। इन्हें पाकिस्तान चले जाना चाहिए, ,, ,,थाने मे नेता की हत्या व इस केस मे सलिंपत पुलिस कर्मियों पर शीघ्र ता शीघ्र कानूनी कार्यवाही होनी चाहिए
Both Thakurs and Brahmins are like minded high castes.There is no possibility of any misunderstanding or quarrel between the two.This Vikas was a blot to the entire community.Not only Brahmins but every right minded person hates him for his criminal activities.Congress and Muslims may be behind these ugly stories.Both the communities are not fools to quarrel with each other.Legal action should be initiated against the writer for her narrow minded article
Ms Raghini: Esseentially, what you are saying is that since
“.. Thakurs and Brahmins are like minded high castes ..”
– whatever the hell “high-minded” means, they generally stick together. Or ought to stick together to prevent Muslims and low castes to erode their privileges. Accordingly, any disagreement between these “high-minded” castes is caused by a Congress-Muslim conspiracy ! Brilliant reasoning ! Excellent deductions !
Since you are a woman, it is unlikely that you would have picked up this way of analysis in a shakha where generally your lathi wielding gaurakshak brothers would be out prowling. I must therefore conclude that this was waht you must have been taught in the “Durga Vahini”, the women’s wing of the VHP. Or was it the RSS women’s wing Rashtra Sevika Samiti ? Or did it come to you as a revelation from Nathuram Godse himself whilst offering prayers at the Godse temple in Bhopal built by the VHP ?
In any case, with educated women like you and the kind of political and civic sense you display, India is surely on Modi’s much ballyhooed bullet train to becoming a 5 Trillion Dollar economy !!!!
Excellent retort, Kili Jolsiyar, to Ms. Raghini’s “asura raag”.
Castes have been ruling this country since unknown ages. Even a very small effort by sidelined castes to get a foothold in the political hierarchy is frowned upon and suppressed in the beginning itself. Right from the vedic ages. e. g., EKALAVYA, KARNA etc. Even now a small concession of reservation -itself a lollypop- is not acceptable to them. They try to abolish this system at every given opportunity either through legislation or courts. Now a days both the govt. and the judiciary are more inclined to go with the so called high-handeds, as they are stuffed with more of these kinds. This land of castes will remain so, for ever without any respite. God himself (if there is one) destined the nation to be so, it seems.
I know you support BJP but it doesn’t mean you blame Muslim and and Congress. Change your dirty mind clean it think good you will get good. Hate is not the keys of success. Please.
This gangster killing now become a political matter. Whoever this man killed few policemen. These policemen are giving protection to the politicians. Same people going against the policemen. This is prove that politicians are protecting the gangsters.
Vikas Dubey met with an expected death. Police has lost faith in rule of law has been vindicated. Dubey is the product of criminal politics and corruption. It is high time police act similar with the political corruption that gave birth to people like Vikas Dubey.
What is wrong with people in UP? This is ridiculous. They urgently need a massive social reform movement, an intellectual revival, or they will destroy themselves, and they will take down the rest of the country with them.
Ashish D: Well, one needs to start at the very top and not blame the simple, hard-working people of UP for no fault of theirs.
When you have a saffron hooligan who does not believe in rule of law, the Constitution or separation of powers, and spreads hate you must not be surprised at the lawlessness that such policies generate. Ajay Singh Bisht a.k.a. Yogi Adityanath, UP’s CM is a known hatemonger and rabble-rouser who believes in shoot first, ask questions later and what we witness in UP is a manifestation of that crude, violent approach to governance. Indeed, his organisation Hindu Yuva Vahini describes itself on its website (hinduyuvavahini.co.in/) as:
“A fierce cultural and social organisation dedicated to Hindutva and nationalism.”
When the likes of this mobster run the affairs of the state, is it any surprise that things fall apart in UP? As the proverb goes:
“Fish stinks from the head down”.
And this saffron Rasputin is being groomed to be the next Prime Minister of India. So look forward to his brand of thuggishness leadership all over the country.
An unbiased view where sometimes educated play in most uneducated way and where the thin line of separation between beaurocrats, officials merges with politics for they are caught in the mesh of another nexus in a dignified Way Leading to most brutal and lethal workmanship under cover of power and self.
I Will be happy to share a true fact where my phone is tapped and emails in name of uterior motives by few in name of false notoriety by use of positions and power.
This is divisive reporting. A few social media postings don’t reflect the ground reality. The death of gangster Vikas Dubey in a fake police encounter shows the police politician-criminal nexus in UP. Instead of focusing on this aspect you have unfortunately brought up a divisive and castestist issue. A criminal is a criminal whichever caste he may belong to.
Casteism is the bedrock of Hindu society. It cannot be wished away. Hindutva cannot hide it. Hindu unity is a chimera based on hating Muslims. It has no substance of its own. Get real.
49 likes and you report it as what UP is thinking…. Stand in the mirror and say this aloud “Iam a Journalist” and check if even your image in the mirror believes that…. Journalism my foot..
Brahmins think for themselves.
They are not Yadav cattle like the author who can be herded into voting. The contribution of vikas dubey in delivering brahmin votes seems dubious.
I think Arnab Goswami should be approached by the print to write few articles for it so as to impart pristine class journalism to the site.
No Religion no caste above the law. and the nation. Criminals should be punished. Don’t try to divide the people on caste basis. Politicians are trying to en-cash it dividing people. People should be aware and should not not fall on dirty politicians trap.
A criminal was killed. Period. That he had been denied recourse to the legal system is an acceptable argument, but the brotherhood of police are not going to be taking things lying down when eight of their own were killed by him.
Painting colours of communities and creating divides in the society has become an acceptable norm nowadays. There are 5% or less brahmins in the country who are in any case side tracked ostensibly due to the policies practised by them a coup of generations ago. however, similar practices by other sects are conveniently ignored.The contribution of the Brahmin to the India that stands today are ignored.You will never find a brahmin whining about having to do work other than what his community is supposed to. Stop dividing the nation on these lines.
No caste pride here. It is rather a “Shame” that such a criminal existed. His elimination was required & it happened quickly too.
The circumstances are only the concern for investigation.
Yogi has been after criminals & not after castes. He is a Pahadi origin Mattadish from Gorakhpur. He has no qualms in going after any Criminal. Even if the criminal happens to be a Kshetriya or say a Minority priest.
Priyanka Gandhi, the G/D of Indira Gandhi will now say that she is a Brahmin
Can’t the stupid brahmims or whatever caste they belong to get cheap thoughts out of their mind just once ? Can’t they see that Dubey was a gangster who had many crimes to his credit ? Can’t they feel the pain and sorrow which eight families of police personnel are going through ?
As long as these kind of low mentality people live in our society, how is the nation going to develop. Incredible India
Vikas Dubey signifies the establishment of Brahmin demons. His storehouse of weapons, which includes AK-47, demonstrates an organised chain of saffron demons, who belong to the category of their religion of violence. The answer is to expose them through the enlightenment of masses what the Lord Buddha did in his times.
This is mischievous. There is no relation to any caste. A criminal infamous for his murders, crimes and atrocities towards public in general cannot be stamped as belonging to a particular caste. A criminal is a criminal and needs to be punished. One can debate the way in which he is punished but not the punishment itself. Request you not to publish any such article which would promote ill-feeling amongst castes. We all are one. Let us not try to glorify a criminal’s death in any way.
Dubey AMAR Rahega, jndabaad, barhmino par Atyachaar, barhmano Jago,. . yogi murda baad. Bhagwan PARSURAM ne 17 Baar Prithvi Ko Kshatriya vihin Kiya tha ab samay Aa Gaya hai PARSURAM banane ka
This is new India, where a criminal killing 8 policemen is supported just because he belongs to a particular cast. As a society we must ponder over such phenomenon which I think gets generated when an atmosphere of hatred is encouraged for political ends.
Another venomous article by The Print , to divide Hindus on caste basis , will print publish same article about support of Muslims to Jihadi Terrorists
Caste system is the bedrock of Hindu society. What can Hinduism be without caste ?
No amount of social/technological progress or opening up any number of Microsoft campuses can’t undo the deep-rooted divisions of an inherently casteist society that UP continues to remain
The moment I see Ms. Jyothi Yadav name in the post I skip it. Because she is very good at twisting the “Facts”. I read an article of her where she spoke of feminism. Amulya Leona Noronha said hindustan zindabad first and PAKISTAN ZINDABAD LATER. Sekhar Gupta ji enough of navel gazing. I hope this is the right time to evoke your code of conduct.
And What Are Bharmin Characteristics Deception Fraud and Superiority complex?
Such a pathetic article. You think all Brahmins are supporting him. A killer is a killer. You are here just to malign brahmins. You will never show Muslims supporting ISIS and talk about them. Hope your Propaganda shops closes soon.
There was a incident two years back at Koyele wali gali in famous Holigate area at Mathura where four local armed Chaturvedi boys killed two businessman at their business point and looted worth fifty lakhs of gold and silver. This incident got wide media coverage resulting CM Yogi’s visit. After few days those four boys were arrested from their homes (chaubiyapada) and jewellery was recovered from them. Now the point is, do you recommend their encounter by the same way??
Why are Muslims on your mind when the criminals are Brahmins ?
most of these handles are not really Brahmins. They are handled by Congress and other parties to create trouble for Yogi governmetn. Most of the UP population is very happy with Yogi.
How easily Ms. Yadav described the BJP as a Brahmin-Baniya party. Would she describe the CPI(M) as a Muslim party? Or such “free and frank” journalism is reserved for the BJP only?
Besides, I personally know of Muslims who adore and admire Osama Bin Laden. It is a fact that if a survey were to be held either in India or anywhere else, millions of Muslims would freely admit that they consider Bin Laden a hero and a martyr. The Prime Minister of “Naya” Pakistan, Mr. Imran Khan, has paid homage to Osama Bin Laden on the floor of the Pakistani Parliament.
Did that pain Ms. Jyoti Yadav? Why did she not write an article on that? Or are such indignations and fulminations reserved only for certain communities?
This article is unfair. On social media there will be always few people who provide their opinion and you cannot apply on entire Bhramin community. if there is any minority oppressed community at these times it is Bhramin community. How much survey, verification did you done on the plight of this community? In the name of personal opinion allowing public platform like theprint is not only wrong but grave mistake on the community. Editorial team, Please present unbiased views. When we lost faith in system it is media and judicial systems we believe if we lost media also then no one can safegaurd this country. Please avoid such biased negative articles blaming entire community. There will be other religions, castes who done wrong things but media presents it as terrorism doesn’t have religion..blah blah.
Whether it’s Brahmin adventurous person killed but not only that whose benefits are they are , is more important.Only one person Yogi can tell why? How? What for he killed? How? Reason ? Who was it whether Brahmin , or Thakur either Yadav or BC’s or some political bias .
The human race is stupid and should go extinct. 2020 and we still fight over cast religion and stupid man made borders. Let us all kill each other and let this planet breathe.
The rise of the BJP saw Brahmin resurgence. Besides the top brass and RSS being Brahmin led, there was Brahmin backlash on social media against Muslims, Dalits and even intellectuals.
So its not a surprise especially in North India that Brahmins are aghast that their ‘brother’ was killed.
Tens of thousnds of people show up to mourn terrorists
*le intellectuals : We should not blame the entire community, these are only a small part of the community
50-100 people post some story for Vikas Dubey
*Le intelectuals : This is proof of Hindutva, Brahmanvad, Manuvad, Casteism, Brahminical Patriarchy….
Tens of thousnds of people show up to mourn terrorists
*le intellectuals : We should not blame the entire community, these are only a small part of the community
50-100 people post some story for Vikas Dubey
*Le intelectuals : This is proof of Brahmanvad, Manuvad, Casteism, Brahminical Patriarchy….
Senseless writing with pre determined notion.
On Brahmins and their clannish culture, read the news about the Silicon Valley company Cisco which is being sued for persecution of Dalits by two Brahmin managers. A Brahmin’s loyalty is to another Brahmin. Some say not all Brahmins are this way. One is not talking about all. One is talking about a statistical truth about Brahmins.
Ambedkar had predicted, should Indians migrate to other countries, they will make caste a problem for the world.
Even 50-100 people from other communities will not post in support of a criminal like Vikas Dubey. Only Brahmins do that.
rasgolla: Your chicanery is quite visible in this regard. You are giving numbers where it is convenient to you and omitting them where it really matters. I have no doubt about it that the majority of Brahmins are condemning this dreaded criminal- who is now dead. By the way, what stops you from writing the comments here with your original ID/name?
‘I have no doubt about it that the majority of Brahmins are condemning this dreaded criminal- who is now dead.
That is an opinion unbacked by any facts. You have not asked even one Brahmin.
Prove to me your name is original.
Rasgolla: Mr Murtada speaks sense. You cannot simply pull numbers out of a hat and pass it as the gospel truth. That is chicanery and
How many Brahmins have you canvassed to buttress your argument? After all, you are the one to claim – without a shred of evidence – that all Brahmins back this criminal.
Your vacuous, hate-filled, anti Hindu posts do more harm than good for Indian Muslims. They need to be dismissed. As journalist Christopher Hitchens famously said:
“.. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof ..”
Your inconsistent trying to be too clever.
Rasgolla: Mr Murtada speaks sense. You cannot simply pull numbers out of a hat and pass it as the gospel truth. That is chicanery and
“.. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof ..”
You can apply that to Mr. Murtada. He claimed : ‘I have no doubt about it that the majority of Brahmins are condemning this dreaded criminal- who is now dead.’
I wrote : ‘That is an opinion unbacked by any facts. You have not asked even one Brahmin.’
Mr. Murtada’s assertion is without proof, then why are you butting in and telling me he is correct. Your quotation applies to Mr. Murtada.
Brahmins are a scheming, manipulative lot. They are the lynchpins of Hindu fascism. So why are you defending them ?
Rasgolla: Mr Murtada speaks sense. You cannot simply pull numbers out of a hat and pass it off as the gospel truth. That is chicanery of the worst sort.
How many Brahmins have you canvassed to buttress your argument? After all, you are the one to claim – without a shred of evidence – that all Brahmins back this criminal.
Your vacuous, hate-filled, anti Hindu posts do more harm than good for Indian Muslims. They need to be dismissed. As journalist Christopher Hitchens famously said:
“.. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof ..”
Who the bloody hell are you to demand proof from other commenters here?
I find it odd that The Print has not banned you yet for your incendiary posts and the blatant hatred to Hindus and Hinduism you spout here.
Read the original post, Murtada is asking me for proof. He said he needs proof of my ID. I asked him to prove me his ID is real.
You seem to be burning inside, so you are butting in on his behalf, without looking at what he said and what I responded..
Learn to bat straight. I see you want censorship. Always the refuge of the weak minded when unable to debate.
Can you provide me the link of these posts . I would really like to cancel these idiots one by one . Thank you
It is funny how all the new age Hindutva Hindus are enraged about discussion of caste.
The same lot proudly show off their Hindu communalism to non-Hindus. But they do not want any skeletons in their cupboard to show. The Dubey incident shows the reality of caste and Hindu criminality. That is why they are angry with this article. They want to us to believe we have a new age, casteless Hinduism.
Whereas we all know caste is the bedrock of Hinduism. If there were no Muslims and Christians, there will be open caste warfare.
ek insan hota ek shaitan ,jati to ap logo ulzhane ki liye hai.
Learn to write English.
rasgolla: He doesn’t need to do that. Hindi is the most favoured language in India and is known almost to everybody. He is free to use it in a transliterated form to express himself, especially, when there is no such restriction to it from the website itself. How can we stop someone from expressing one’s thoughts or others from receiving those thoughts because of language barrier? I have understood well what he is trying to say. You also please try to learn and love Hindi and become all-inclusive rather than attempt to appear more than equal because of the knowledge of some language; which language I am sure might not be your native language even. By the way, is “rasgolla” a Hindi word or an English word, Mr Arrogant?
Who told you Hindi is the most favoured language ? It is the language of cow belt Hindus., and shakha boys. Others do not want it imposed on them.
Next you will tell me the cow is the most favoured animal, and its urine is the most favoured drink and you will advise me to drink it and learn to love it. You have a gobar filled mind.
Hindi is the most favoured language in India – like cow piss is the most favoured drink of Hindus. I suppose your next advice will be to learn to love gomutra because the majority loves it.
Mr Rasgolla: Pontificating fact-free, un-researched and virulently anti-Hindu claims is clearly your forte. Not only does your drivel make many Hindus, Christians and Sikhs turn against bigoted Paki Muslims like you, it also gives a pretext to the Hindutva Nazis to continue their attacks on India’s law-abiding Muslims. Most of whom are too marginalised to be able to defend themselves from the onslaught of rabid Hindutva and yet are held accountable for the hatred of Hindus that your ilk spews with such enthusiasm. I refer to your latest asinine utterance and testament to your gross inability to examine your own self and your own religion in the mirror before braying:
“.. we all know caste is the bedrock of Hinduism. If there were no Muslims and Christians, there will be open caste warfare ..”
Well, you seem to forget that the vast majority of Muslims, Christians and Sikhs were converts from Hinduism and that they took their caste with them to their new religions. And practise casteism with a vehemence and violence that often makes the Hindu caste-based intolerance a storm in a teacup. Fact is, caste is far more entrenched and far more vigorously practised in Indian Islam and Christianity then even in Hinduism. And by the term Indian Islam, I refer to Islam that is seen in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh where trade, proselytisation and forced conversions have resulted in large Muslim minorities.
Take for instance the Pakistani matrimonial site getrishta.com for Muslims. You can specify caste to such a degree of precision that one might be forgiven if one thinks one is actually dealing with a caste obsessed, idol-worshipping Hindu and not a believer in the Qur’an. At that site, caste is one of the criteria in the “Quick Search” page and from the drop down menu, you can specify whether you are the following sub-castes of say Rajputs: Bhatti, Rana, Chohan, Janjua, Sulehri, Khokhar, Manj, Minhas, Rao, Satti, Jarral etc. etc. So much for equality among Muslims and a casteless Islam !!
The notion that conversion to monotheistic, supposedly caste free religions is sheer nonsense. You see similar trends in Christianity as well. For the BBC article on caste in Christianity “Indian Dalits find no refuge from caste in Christianity”, see ref: bbc.in/2C62b20. For an Al Jazeera documentary on the discrimination in Islam towards Dalit converts to Islam, see ref: bit.ly/2BYsA20. Indeed, even when it comes to burials, Indian Muslims have separate cemeteries with caste being a criterion for where one gets buried.
Discrimination within Islam is not solely an Indian phenomenon either. In Europe where I live, Turkish Muslims who consider themselves European look down upon Arab Muslims who in turn look down upon Pakistani Muslims who in turn look down upon Bangladeshi Muslims and at the bottom of the heap, you see dark-skinned Somali or African Muslims.
Sorry Rasgolla, Islam has not ridden itself of discrimination or casteism.
I never raised Islam. I made the observation caste is the bedrock of Indian society. There is no such thing as Indian, nor even Hindu. India is an inexplicable collection of castes. The converts to other religions may hold some caste tendencies, but it is not as rigid. You want to explain it away by pretending it is the same with all religions.
Read the scandal in the US tech company Cisco. Dalits have launched a case against the company for caste discrimination by two Brahmin managers. It it Muslims or Christians who are likely to do this to people abroad ?
Get real. Ambedkar said “If Hindus migrate to other regions on earth, Indian Caste would become a world problem,”
That is proved by the Cisco scandal. Your rage proves if I scratch your skin, you will behave the same way.
The article has rightly exposed nature of U. P. caste contradictions. The reactions of brahmins and their organisations how they are united in criminality also.
The way even politicians are for uniting brahmin might through this incident speaks of caste as bedrock of Indian society. Both Congress, bjp and brahmans are talking in the same tongue.
Caste is indeed the bedrock of Indian society. Not only has it united Congress and BJP, even in this message board, Kili Jolsiyar who has been posing as anti Hindutva, has become enraged at this being pointed out, and is demanding censorship.
Don’t forget most of the officers in up police who did the encounter were also brahmins. Print should stop spreading this fake propaganda against brahmins. You’re making fake posts such that stupid people start hating brahmins. I’m also a brahmin and I say that Vikas dubey died like a dog!
Dubey the history sheeter was a Brahmin criminal. You inform us the police who encountered him (and thereby did a criminal offence themselves) are also Brahmins. So by your own assertion, Brahmins are an unscrupulous, criminally minded lot, and so will be hated. Why are you raging about it then ?
Mister rosogolla, by your utterly disgusting illogical comment ,we can also draw a conclusion that since all the terrorists are muslims, all the muslims are terrorists. What do you have to say about it?.. won’t you play the victim card now? There are these kinds of people in every community . You can’t blame the whole community for statements made by handful of people. So get your mind back to work rather than selling your one sided propaganda. No one gives a **** about your opinions.
Regardless of Dubey, I observe Brahmins have crippled India for centuries with the caste system and idolatry. Brahmins are the fountainhead of Hindu fascism. India needs to eliminate Brahmanism, only then it can even think about development.
You convert if you wish…I will never change by Identity…I am Brahmin …and my ideal are Chandrasekhar Azad,Rajguru,Ram Prasad Bismill,Sanyasi vidroh-Bhawani Pathak,Laxmi Bai,Tilak,WC Banerji,Bankim Chattopadhyay,CV Raman,Ramanujam,Vikram Sarabhai,Pratham Paramveer chakra Somnath Sharma,Ajit Doval,Rakesh Sharma…Sundar picchai,Satya Nadella,Indira Nooyi,Sanjay Jha,Suri ok…You did nothing and predicting and hating other in your non sense way.
You casteist writer you can write anything but let it be clear Rajputs and Brahmins are not opposed to each other.
Mr Rajvir Singh: You pontificate:
“.. let it be clear Rajputs and Brahmins are not opposed to each other ..”
So is that the new caste coalition that is being stitched together? How durable will that alliance be Mr Rajvir Singh given that the caste coalitions in India are always dynamic ?
And then, care to inform as to which other castes / religions that this Rajput-Brahmin coalition is in opposition to ?
This Ahir writer can’t see anything beyond caste. Brahmin/Pandit and Rajputs/Thakurs are not mad caste centric like 3rd class family Ms Jyoti Castiest Yadav
An excellent article! It is accurate in its depiction of reality and very well written.
ब्राम्हणोका राज आज भी है और कल भी रहेगा क्योकी यहाँ का बहुजन समाज मानसिक गुलाम जो है! खास तौर पर ओबीसी की यदी बात करे तो यह समाज ब्राम्हण और बनिया ईन जाती के पीछे पीछे रहकर खुद को सुरक्षित महसूस समजनेवाली ये कोम है! ओबीसी कौम की और एक मानसिकता बनी हुयी हैं वो याने की, ये लोग खुदही खुद को ब्राम्हण और बनिया से निचले जाती के समज कर एस सी, एस टी समाज के लोगों को अपनेसे ओर निचले जाती के समज कर उनका घुस्सा जादा तर यही ओबीसी समाज के लोग ही जादातर करते हुॅंए दिखेंगे! एस सी एसटी समाज के लोगोंको गावके बाहर रखने मे हो या इनका बदला लेना हो तो यही समाज के लोग आगे निकल कर आते है जिससे ब्राम्हण बनिया जैसे लोगोंका काम आसान हो जाता है. डॉ बाबासाहेब आंबेडकर ने समानता का सपना तो जरूर देखा मगर ब्राम्हणोकी चाल को साजा करणे का काम ओबीसी प्रवर्ग के लोग आसानिसे करते है! जब तक ओबीसी नही जाग जाता तब तक ब्राम्हण बनिया ईसी तरह इन शुद्र समाज पर राज करते रहेंगे. इसलीए दोष ब्राम्हणोको देना उचित नही होगा! डॉ बाबासाहेब आंबेडकर कहते हैं, कसूरदार वो नही जो किसी पर जुल्म करते है, कसुरदार तो वो है जो ऊस जुल्म को आसानीसे सहते है!
I have noticed that this Print Media is always biased agaisnt BJP and more than happy publish articles against it. I think you are a part of Lyutens media. Congress and the Communist parties are paying exorbitant money to do so. Please restrain from doing this. I know you will not publish this. Yet I have decided to convey the message loud and clear and see to it that other people also get this message also.
Mr NV Kotian: If you wish to read or hear about news that solely praises the BJP as opposed to indulging in critical journalism that holds the government of the day accountable, you are surely not limited for choice Sir. Paid media that sings parises to the BJP and Messiah Modi is the norm these days in India. Platforms like The Print, The Wire etc. are the few media houses that have bucked the trend and do not indulge in unlimited praise to the Gujaratis who rule and reign over the country.
Clearly, since truth and facts trigger deep allergies in you, I suggest you tune in to Arnab Göbbels Goswami’s hot air shows where you only hear praises being sung to the BJP and its Gujarati Messiah.
I hope I have conveyed the message loud and clear Mr NV Kotian !
Police Ko maroge , police tumko maregi
Ye koi mazak hai ki tum 8 policewalo ko maroge aur Shaan se ghumate rahoge,
Aise logo se caste ki pride badhti nhi…..aise logose Brahmans Ko sharam aati hai…..har community me kuch log hote hai jo aise logo support karte hai…….iska ye matlab thodi hai sab waise hi hai……agar ye bat hai to har muslim terrorist hai par Aisa nhi hai
Don’t plead for Brahmins using Muslims. Brahmins are accused of greater wickedness : they enslaved India with the caste system, and they are the masterminds of Hindu fascism. Brahmins are the reason India is crippled.
Vikas Dubey was a cop killer and a school headmaster murderer. Such scumbags don’t deserve any mercy and was rightly encountered by UP police / ATF. Congress is not going to make any inroads into brahmin vote bank as it is basically a muslim appeasing party right from Nehruvian era. The Congress has a notorious track record of maligning hindus and Brahmins. At this rate they won’t have any support from any community except the muslims and Christians due to roman catholic background of Sonia Gandhi. It is shameful of this author to write such polarizing articles!!!!!
Whare dislike buttun
Acha to ab 2022 tk kuch nhi bolna nhi to jail bhej diye jayegne na, yogi ji ke chamco,brahmin jindabad the or hi
Yogi was the Great Hindu Hope of the Brahmins also – when the killing was of Muslims and Dalits. Now Brahmins are killed, there is outrage.
It is clear that hatred of Muslims is not sufficient to unite Hindus. India cannot function on that. Do Hindus understand ?
The saying I heard was ‘The Brahmin plots, the bania finances, the sudra is the street fighter’. I used to wonder what is the role of the Kshatriyas. I thought it was to defend the borders. But now I see their desire is power to rule. Brahmins are meant to be advisers. But they became rulers. Kshatriyas want restoration of their rights.
Such a shitty article by a casteist journalist. Everyone know that congress want to gather some brahmin votes, and that the founder of the print is a congress lap dog. So this platform which consider itself fact driven is picking some random extremists post from social media and showing it as caste pride. How many people came out on roads pelted stones or cried like bitches on his encounter or arrest, none. But only some casteist like joyti yadav is crying over the caste of the gangster.
Just a little tip to Jyoti Yadav and The Print, people look right through your propaganda atleast put some effort in picking comments of some prominent people(not your masters from congress) to show put some weight in your article. And if you thinks that your casteist try to divide the communities will work than let me pop your bubble, brahmins voted heavily in 2017 elections for BJP but this time they will vote for YOGI who is bigger than BJP in UP.
By the way Jyoti Yadav this was a failed attempt to create further caste gaps, stick to BhimMeem type of articles only that suits you.
Mr Arun Kumar: You ask:
“.. How many people came out on roads pelted stones or cried like bitches on his encounter or arrest, none ..”
Well, when people disappeared or were killed or castrated in UP during Indira Gandhi’s hated Emergency during 1975-77, nobody came out in the streets to protest either. Most Indians do not bother what happens to their neighbour as long things are fine for themselves. It is only when your own loved ones disappear or get framed by the police that you protest and take notice.
For instance, in the Unnao rape case in 2017, BJP PM Kuldeep Sengar raped a SC girl and ensured that her father died in police custody. That horrendous case and the BJP MP’s attempts to intimidate witnesses, have them run over by a lorry etc. did not elicit much public attention either. Hence, public attention – or lack thereof – is no yardstick for justice having been done.
As a fairly senior police officer in the much better run state of Tamilnadu once confided to me :
“When the pressure from politicians is on to show that action has been taken, it suffices to arrest some wretched fellow, frame charges upon him, thrash him and make him sign a pre-prepared confession statement and declare that the case has been solved”
One hoped that such a fate does not befall you Mr Arun Kumar.
Mr Arun Kumar: You bray:
“.. brahmins voted heavily in 2017 elections for BJP but this time they will vote for YOGI who is bigger than BJP in UP. ..”
Yes, the BJP is the party of upper caste Hindus who believe that their interests are protected by a saffron thug who offers mandir as a solution to all of man’s problems. But bear in mind, many UPites – Brahmin or otherwise – are leaving UP in droves for the better run states of South India. Mandirnomics doesn’t put food in your stomach and UP is essentially emptying out.
And as regard the notion that the Yogi is bigger than the BJP, well you ought to pray for his health and hope that the Gujaratis in Delhi allow that to happen. After all, Amit Shah does practise the same violent methods used by the Yogi in subduing dissent and opposition doesn’t he?
Good last paragraph !
The Gujaratis might encounter Yogi.
Very true.. …trying hard to create rift. Most educated people including Brahmans are happy with the decisions of Yogi government.
Well said. Those forces will desperately try to whip up divisive sentiments.
Professional spin art journalist trying to create sensationism news article for publicity.
A person becomes a true brahmin by his noble deeds and not merely by birth. It is disgraceful that some members of the so called “brahmin community” take pride in defending the gangster & multiple murderer Vikas Dubey as a brahmin and his killing is killing of a brahmin.
How easy to pick up 2-3 Facebook posts and claim it to be the truth. This is exactly what our journalism has become – gutter journalism.
Actually Brahmin first, Hindu next, Indian last. Who are you trying to fool ?
If the deceased gangster was named Vikas Yadav or Vikas Jatav then Ms. Jyoti Yadav ji would be saying that he was victim of upper caste oppression.
यह ब्राह्मण समाज को नही देश को लज्जित करने वाला कार्य विकास दुबे ने किया , अपने ही गांव व आसपास अपने रिस्तेदारो’ का क़त्ल किया ,यही नही थाने में ब्राह्मण नेता का क़त्ल और पुलिस वालों की हत्या कर, यह सिध कर दिया राक्षस गुण, इसके सपोर्टर की पृवरती राक्षस के समान, इन्हें पता होना चाहिये ये हिन्दुस्तान है। जो एसा करेगा उसकी भी कुत्ते की मोत होगी, ऐसे व्यक्तियों को समाज मे रहने क अधिकार नहीं है। इन्हें पाकिस्तान चले जाना चाहिए, ,, ,,थाने मे नेता की हत्या व इस केस मे सलिंपत पुलिस कर्मियों पर शीघ्र ता शीघ्र कानूनी कार्यवाही होनी चाहिए
Crime and criminals have no caste or religion. It should be remembered that as long as such people get exploited, gangsters would flourish.
Both Thakurs and Brahmins are like minded high castes.There is no possibility of any misunderstanding or quarrel between the two.This Vikas was a blot to the entire community.Not only Brahmins but every right minded person hates him for his criminal activities.Congress and Muslims may be behind these ugly stories.Both the communities are not fools to quarrel with each other.Legal action should be initiated against the writer for her narrow minded article
Ms Raghini: Esseentially, what you are saying is that since
“.. Thakurs and Brahmins are like minded high castes ..”
– whatever the hell “high-minded” means, they generally stick together. Or ought to stick together to prevent Muslims and low castes to erode their privileges. Accordingly, any disagreement between these “high-minded” castes is caused by a Congress-Muslim conspiracy ! Brilliant reasoning ! Excellent deductions !
Since you are a woman, it is unlikely that you would have picked up this way of analysis in a shakha where generally your lathi wielding gaurakshak brothers would be out prowling. I must therefore conclude that this was waht you must have been taught in the “Durga Vahini”, the women’s wing of the VHP. Or was it the RSS women’s wing Rashtra Sevika Samiti ? Or did it come to you as a revelation from Nathuram Godse himself whilst offering prayers at the Godse temple in Bhopal built by the VHP ?
In any case, with educated women like you and the kind of political and civic sense you display, India is surely on Modi’s much ballyhooed bullet train to becoming a 5 Trillion Dollar economy !!!!
Excellent retort, Kili Jolsiyar, to Ms. Raghini’s “asura raag”.
Castes have been ruling this country since unknown ages. Even a very small effort by sidelined castes to get a foothold in the political hierarchy is frowned upon and suppressed in the beginning itself. Right from the vedic ages. e. g., EKALAVYA, KARNA etc. Even now a small concession of reservation -itself a lollypop- is not acceptable to them. They try to abolish this system at every given opportunity either through legislation or courts. Now a days both the govt. and the judiciary are more inclined to go with the so called high-handeds, as they are stuffed with more of these kinds. This land of castes will remain so, for ever without any respite. God himself (if there is one) destined the nation to be so, it seems.
I know you support BJP but it doesn’t mean you blame Muslim and and Congress. Change your dirty mind clean it think good you will get good. Hate is not the keys of success. Please.
This gangster killing now become a political matter. Whoever this man killed few policemen. These policemen are giving protection to the politicians. Same people going against the policemen. This is prove that politicians are protecting the gangsters.
Vikas Dubey met with an expected death. Police has lost faith in rule of law has been vindicated. Dubey is the product of criminal politics and corruption. It is high time police act similar with the political corruption that gave birth to people like Vikas Dubey.
What is wrong with people in UP? This is ridiculous. They urgently need a massive social reform movement, an intellectual revival, or they will destroy themselves, and they will take down the rest of the country with them.
Ashish D: Well, one needs to start at the very top and not blame the simple, hard-working people of UP for no fault of theirs.
When you have a saffron hooligan who does not believe in rule of law, the Constitution or separation of powers, and spreads hate you must not be surprised at the lawlessness that such policies generate. Ajay Singh Bisht a.k.a. Yogi Adityanath, UP’s CM is a known hatemonger and rabble-rouser who believes in shoot first, ask questions later and what we witness in UP is a manifestation of that crude, violent approach to governance. Indeed, his organisation Hindu Yuva Vahini describes itself on its website (hinduyuvavahini.co.in/) as:
“A fierce cultural and social organisation dedicated to Hindutva and nationalism.”
When the likes of this mobster run the affairs of the state, is it any surprise that things fall apart in UP? As the proverb goes:
“Fish stinks from the head down”.
And this saffron Rasputin is being groomed to be the next Prime Minister of India. So look forward to his brand of thuggishness leadership all over the country.
An unbiased view where sometimes educated play in most uneducated way and where the thin line of separation between beaurocrats, officials merges with politics for they are caught in the mesh of another nexus in a dignified Way Leading to most brutal and lethal workmanship under cover of power and self.
I Will be happy to share a true fact where my phone is tapped and emails in name of uterior motives by few in name of false notoriety by use of positions and power.
This is divisive reporting. A few social media postings don’t reflect the ground reality. The death of gangster Vikas Dubey in a fake police encounter shows the police politician-criminal nexus in UP. Instead of focusing on this aspect you have unfortunately brought up a divisive and castestist issue. A criminal is a criminal whichever caste he may belong to.
Casteism is the bedrock of Hindu society. It cannot be wished away. Hindutva cannot hide it. Hindu unity is a chimera based on hating Muslims. It has no substance of its own. Get real.
49 likes and you report it as what UP is thinking…. Stand in the mirror and say this aloud “Iam a Journalist” and check if even your image in the mirror believes that…. Journalism my foot..
Brahmins think for themselves.
They are not Yadav cattle like the author who can be herded into voting. The contribution of vikas dubey in delivering brahmin votes seems dubious.
You mean Brahmins only think for themselves. They are generally an unscrupulous, scheming lot.
Third class journalism… it’s just shows that you have choose and pick story at your own convenience and cooked up a story in exasperation..
Great comment given by you brother
“The message by UP’s Brahmins is clear: It’s Thakurs vs Brahmins now.”
This is a conclusion drawn by the author in this article.
That too on the basis of expression of fringe element.
This single statement clearly reflects the filthy mindset of the author and propoganda in motion.
Gutter Level Journalism.
I think Arnab Goswami should be approached by the print to write few articles for it so as to impart pristine class journalism to the site.
No Religion no caste above the law. and the nation. Criminals should be punished. Don’t try to divide the people on caste basis. Politicians are trying to en-cash it dividing people. People should be aware and should not not fall on dirty politicians trap.
Good factual article
A criminal was killed. Period. That he had been denied recourse to the legal system is an acceptable argument, but the brotherhood of police are not going to be taking things lying down when eight of their own were killed by him.
Painting colours of communities and creating divides in the society has become an acceptable norm nowadays. There are 5% or less brahmins in the country who are in any case side tracked ostensibly due to the policies practised by them a coup of generations ago. however, similar practices by other sects are conveniently ignored.The contribution of the Brahmin to the India that stands today are ignored.You will never find a brahmin whining about having to do work other than what his community is supposed to. Stop dividing the nation on these lines.
No caste pride here. It is rather a “Shame” that such a criminal existed. His elimination was required & it happened quickly too.
The circumstances are only the concern for investigation.
Yogi has been after criminals & not after castes. He is a Pahadi origin Mattadish from Gorakhpur. He has no qualms in going after any Criminal. Even if the criminal happens to be a Kshetriya or say a Minority priest.
Priyanka Gandhi, the G/D of Indira Gandhi will now say that she is a Brahmin
Yogi had criminal cases against him, but he dropped them on becoming CM.
Why Print is weeping for a gangester .? Useless article.
Can’t the stupid brahmims or whatever caste they belong to get cheap thoughts out of their mind just once ? Can’t they see that Dubey was a gangster who had many crimes to his credit ? Can’t they feel the pain and sorrow which eight families of police personnel are going through ?
As long as these kind of low mentality people live in our society, how is the nation going to develop. Incredible India
Vikas Dubey signifies the establishment of Brahmin demons. His storehouse of weapons, which includes AK-47, demonstrates an organised chain of saffron demons, who belong to the category of their religion of violence. The answer is to expose them through the enlightenment of masses what the Lord Buddha did in his times.
This is mischievous. There is no relation to any caste. A criminal infamous for his murders, crimes and atrocities towards public in general cannot be stamped as belonging to a particular caste. A criminal is a criminal and needs to be punished. One can debate the way in which he is punished but not the punishment itself. Request you not to publish any such article which would promote ill-feeling amongst castes. We all are one. Let us not try to glorify a criminal’s death in any way.
This cow belt is a dark spot in all humanity… The cow belt and there people should be eleminated from the societ… Disgusting people.
Dubey AMAR Rahega, jndabaad, barhmino par Atyachaar, barhmano Jago,. . yogi murda baad. Bhagwan PARSURAM ne 17 Baar Prithvi Ko Kshatriya vihin Kiya tha ab samay Aa Gaya hai PARSURAM banane ka
रावण भी ब्राह्मण था, उसका वध क्षत्रिया ने किया, दुबे परशुराम का वंशज नहीं, रावन का पोता था,
This is new India, where a criminal killing 8 policemen is supported just because he belongs to a particular cast. As a society we must ponder over such phenomenon which I think gets generated when an atmosphere of hatred is encouraged for political ends.
Tit for tat
Keep it up Jyoti Yadav. You are right. When people get mad at you then you are good.
Another venomous article by The Print , to divide Hindus on caste basis , will print publish same article about support of Muslims to Jihadi Terrorists
Caste system is the bedrock of Hindu society. What can Hinduism be without caste ?
No amount of social/technological progress or opening up any number of Microsoft campuses can’t undo the deep-rooted divisions of an inherently casteist society that UP continues to remain
informative story
The moment I see Ms. Jyothi Yadav name in the post I skip it. Because she is very good at twisting the “Facts”. I read an article of her where she spoke of feminism. Amulya Leona Noronha said hindustan zindabad first and PAKISTAN ZINDABAD LATER. Sekhar Gupta ji enough of navel gazing. I hope this is the right time to evoke your code of conduct.
Mr Raj: Something odd in your behaviour Sir. On the one hand, you bray:
“.. The moment I see Ms. Jyothi Yadav name in the post I skip it ..”;
on the other hand, you nonetheless end up, not only reading the article of Ms Yadav but also take the pain to comment on it !
You need to see a shrink Sir !
Cheap article by the writer. Should be sent to jail for promoting hatred
Idiots. Most of his victims were Brahmins.
He killed them.
Usurped their land.
He had no characterstics of Brahmins.
And What Are Bharmin Characteristics Deception Fraud and Superiority complex?
Such a pathetic article. You think all Brahmins are supporting him. A killer is a killer. You are here just to malign brahmins. You will never show Muslims supporting ISIS and talk about them. Hope your Propaganda shops closes soon.
There was a incident two years back at Koyele wali gali in famous Holigate area at Mathura where four local armed Chaturvedi boys killed two businessman at their business point and looted worth fifty lakhs of gold and silver. This incident got wide media coverage resulting CM Yogi’s visit. After few days those four boys were arrested from their homes (chaubiyapada) and jewellery was recovered from them. Now the point is, do you recommend their encounter by the same way??
Why are Muslims on your mind when the criminals are Brahmins ?
most of these handles are not really Brahmins. They are handled by Congress and other parties to create trouble for Yogi governmetn. Most of the UP population is very happy with Yogi.
How easily Ms. Yadav described the BJP as a Brahmin-Baniya party. Would she describe the CPI(M) as a Muslim party? Or such “free and frank” journalism is reserved for the BJP only?
Besides, I personally know of Muslims who adore and admire Osama Bin Laden. It is a fact that if a survey were to be held either in India or anywhere else, millions of Muslims would freely admit that they consider Bin Laden a hero and a martyr. The Prime Minister of “Naya” Pakistan, Mr. Imran Khan, has paid homage to Osama Bin Laden on the floor of the Pakistani Parliament.
Did that pain Ms. Jyoti Yadav? Why did she not write an article on that? Or are such indignations and fulminations reserved only for certain communities?
This has got nothing to do with Muslims ! The article is about the wretched Hindu caste system which has been a millstone around India.
COI(M) is too Brahmin-Bania party.
Madam he is not the pride of brahmins he was just a barbarian. Don’t try to set your narrative. He was just a criminal.
This article is unfair. On social media there will be always few people who provide their opinion and you cannot apply on entire Bhramin community. if there is any minority oppressed community at these times it is Bhramin community. How much survey, verification did you done on the plight of this community? In the name of personal opinion allowing public platform like theprint is not only wrong but grave mistake on the community. Editorial team, Please present unbiased views. When we lost faith in system it is media and judicial systems we believe if we lost media also then no one can safegaurd this country. Please avoid such biased negative articles blaming entire community. There will be other religions, castes who done wrong things but media presents it as terrorism doesn’t have religion..blah blah.
So next time when few Muslims eulogise a slain terrorist then similar conclusions can be drawn
Where’s the dislike button..??
You don’t need our support now….Narendra Modi is already in your kitty
You jihadis see modi in your dreams also. ???
Congress & opposition parties trying to make it Brahmin vs Thakur.
BJP trying to make it HINDU vs Muslim.
Both operating via IT cells.
Mediahouses like yours publishing BULLSHIT without research. And asking for donations ?
Whether it’s Brahmin adventurous person killed but not only that whose benefits are they are , is more important.Only one person Yogi can tell why? How? What for he killed? How? Reason ? Who was it whether Brahmin , or Thakur either Yadav or BC’s or some political bias .
The human race is stupid and should go extinct. 2020 and we still fight over cast religion and stupid man made borders. Let us all kill each other and let this planet breathe.
After tik tok jātivād Ms Yadav discovers brahmins.
You really should remove her from thePrint.in
The rise of the BJP saw Brahmin resurgence. Besides the top brass and RSS being Brahmin led, there was Brahmin backlash on social media against Muslims, Dalits and even intellectuals.
So its not a surprise especially in North India that Brahmins are aghast that their ‘brother’ was killed.
Will next elections in UP- Bania vs Others ?
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Abhisar Sharma had predicted the same end in his comments last night
A dangerous trend is developing between Brahn
mins and Ot
Vote bank politics is seeing fall of UP.
LET THE PEOPLE BEWARE OF SELFISH DESIGNS.
Tens of thousnds of people show up to mourn terrorists
*le intellectuals : We should not blame the entire community, these are only a small part of the community
50-100 people post some story for Vikas Dubey
*Le intelectuals : This is proof of Hindutva, Brahmanvad, Manuvad, Casteism, Brahminical Patriarchy….
Tens of thousnds of people show up to mourn terrorists
*le intellectuals : We should not blame the entire community, these are only a small part of the community
50-100 people post some story for Vikas Dubey
*Le intelectuals : This is proof of Brahmanvad, Manuvad, Casteism, Brahminical Patriarchy….