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What bubble do you live in? I do freelance work, so it’s basically work for hire. A skilled labour if you want to think about that way.
And in this line of work that I do, not only have I been ridiculed for pricing myself higher than expected, I have been through incessant calls in the middle of the night trying to get 2 hours of sleep because the work is not finished. Why is the work not finished? Because the client wanted to see another variant after already been given 5 variants.
If anything we really don’t know how to treat our labor force, I mean were downright abusive.
I know people who slept in the office for weeks because their boss said the work must be done. They weren’t ever paid overtime.
Get out of your bubble and see the reality.
She is mostly not talking about the US. The rest of the “west” is not at all similar to them. She mentioned only Canada and UK by name.
And what US companies do there, they do worse in India. Moreover, most Indian companies have very shitty work culture (only Japan have worse culture among developed nations, I think). So that comparison is also nonsensical.
You may believe in the fairy tale you conjured. But that’s your personal story. Thousands still migrate yearly, and millions have no plans to return. I have scores of friends who settled outside, and I was the only one to come back. But that was not because it is better here, it’s not. Just that the family is here.
This writer has to bea straight up paid western stooge. They respect their labor? They have built a good life for workerg lass? Is that why the “working class” is working 3 joks and still has no money to buy basic necessities? Homelessness is through the roof, medical bills are through the roof and all the benefits from their jobs are gone. USD is literally flooding their country with illegal migrants to replace the working class. I don’t know what you are shorting but please stop. you think income inequality is bad in India? The top 001% Billionaires of usA have more wealth than 50% of the world’s population combined. And itis all blood money from wars and slave labor in places like Congo. Please get a brain implant before suggesting that some delivery company ding their job to rrent labelb & picking up parcels is somehow ‘exploitation’. Not everyone can earn money spewing nonsense. Please go learn what actual work is. And then see how Amazon refuses its workers to use a bathroom or how restaurants don’t pay wages to wait staff who only make in tips. most of their jobs are being replaced by automation anyway. Plus westerners are kazr and have horrible work ethic , managerial skills, or mental capacity, which is why they need immigrants to run their country. For which they peddle bs through bs writers to perpetuate the western brand. The west is one of the worst places on the planet for labor laws, currently there are stares trying to push child labor to be back. Please stop with this idiocy, you are embarrassing yourself
And what about the population burden, can it be compared with those countries. The amount of money and resources that we have to provide to major chunk of our population in the name of welfare schemes is far more than the money spent by those countries on systems like NHS.
The article writer should not have his/her biases and should look at all the perspective that led to a situation.
The value of all goods & services are mostly based on their demand and supply. It’s a well know fact that Walmart or Amazon pays minimum wages for their workers in US, however, no one seems to complain about it. Things are changing in India as well, I now see a lot of middle or even lower income people giving tips at restaurants as well as for home deliveries.
India is a unique nation, much like brands such as Maruti or Tata, which offer cars for every class. Similarly, our labor wages vary according to the class of the person using their services. One example that comes to mind is of Kareena Kapoor’s nanny, who used to get paid around 1 lakh per month to take care of her child. In contrast, a majority of middle-class citizens in India might earn 1 lakh as a monthly salary. So, what should they be paying for similar services? The answer is that they pay according to the equilibrium of supply and demand for labor in their area.
Western countries are developed nations, but even they went through a journey from free labor (slaves) to low-wage labor, and now to minimum-wage labor. However, this transition happened over a long period of time. In any transaction, there are two parties involved: a buyer and a seller. A buyer might have all the respect for the seller and their product or service, but if the buyer’s budget is limited, they will either search for a seller who matches their budget or make an extra effort to do the tasks themselves. The majority of our population has a limited budget to offer, and we as a country have an excess supply of such service vendors.
There will always be exploitative buyers who will try to exploit this situation, irrespective of whether they come from a developing country like India or a developed nation such as the US or Canada. Take, for example, Apple, the world’s richest organization. They see the entire world as a supplier of labor and always look towards China, India, and other Southeast Asian countries where they can exploit cheap labor. The goal is to maximize profits. For individuals, we do not see it as profit but as savings (bachat).
For us to implement a minimum wage structure that includes labor dignity and respect, it will only be successful when the purchasing power of our entire nation improves. Until then, we will always treat the excess labor supply as a commodity and pay wages according to market conditions.
As soon as someone praise india the victim group gets activated. A chai wala can become PM with hard work. In populated india and throat cut competition, we get time to show we are victims.
Have you ever thought about the population difference, the work load, and other factors before writing this article about some trending Instagram reels miss? Hmm…? Do you know that people return things soo much from a lower income class to the higher ups hmmm??? Don’t you know that these big companies giants haven’t thought about this thing…… Of course you don’t because you’re an online reels, snaps person why would you even bother to think this. Now well please give your brain and eyes a rest and think on this subject.
Namaste 🙏🙏🙏
Amna you are right on a certain level. But the UK, US are not worth glorifying at all. Their NHS is in a shambles; as you must know, junior doctors are protesting from the last 6 months or so for humane working conditions.
And don’t even get me started on how healthcare in the US works! In India, abortion is a fundamental right. In the US even a rape victim can’t get an abortion. Alternative medicine is popular as normal healthcare is beyond the reach of many save a rich few.
All that glitters is not gold.
I totally disagree with this. The pay should be commiserate to the effort of the person and also the cost of acquiring the expertise. Then there is also there is demand and supply.
If you hike labour cost and cost of running an industry, industries just move to a cheaper place. The west due to this, is suffering as all the industries, moved to china and other cheaper places. There is very limited growth for the country when it happens. The Chinese status now has happened only because of this movement of industries, which happened because of high cost of labour. The leftist people, who has never employed a person or run a company will say improve the pay. But it’s the industrialist is the one who is paying for the people.
Another important point is that,if people are paid higher pays for less qualified jobs, there will be lesser need for them to get education. This will deeply impact their quality in the long run.
India shouldn’t never imbibe the western standards and follow the path to destruction.
You should get your facts right. It is more out of compulsion rather than respect! And it extends to other forms of labour which the west is importing from India (outsourcing).
This is so true. Well said.
Labour unions are now a thing of the past and hence a labour market in an environment with unemployment and scarce opportunities, cheap un-organised labour that can be exploited is easier to be found and exploited.
A bit naive. Some of the West’s prosperity is the result of exploitation of natives of America, Africa, Asia, Australia over centuries. The respect and dignity that they now extend to their labour never existed for the peoples they enslaved. Once they wiped out local ethnicities like in America and Australia all the codes of human dignity and rights were developed. No point in comparing with India, with too many people and too few jobs.
I completely agree with you on the count that the Western society has been largely exploitative of its ethnic population, and, now its more out of a shortage of labour or their exorbitantly high rates, and, not so much out of respect for the labour force that the Westerners perform most of their tasks themselves.
Therefore, its mostly compulsion and not necessarily recognition of human rights by extending a fair deal to workers.
However, I am sure there are certainly things to learn from the West as well.
And as Amna has pointed out there is no denying the fact that we here in India do take our labour force for granted in the absence of a pay structure and other basic benefits for them.
Therefore, while we as beneficiaries of someone’s service, must treat the service provider with respect and ensure to pay them their rightful dues, the private players and governments have a much bigger role to play in making sure the workers get their labour’s worth.
When it comes to giving Gyan, no one can match an Indian. Particularly, when it is high on morality.
What bubble do you live in? I do freelance work, so it’s basically work for hire. A skilled labour if you want to think about that way.
And in this line of work that I do, not only have I been ridiculed for pricing myself higher than expected, I have been through incessant calls in the middle of the night trying to get 2 hours of sleep because the work is not finished. Why is the work not finished? Because the client wanted to see another variant after already been given 5 variants.
If anything we really don’t know how to treat our labor force, I mean were downright abusive.
I know people who slept in the office for weeks because their boss said the work must be done. They weren’t ever paid overtime.
Get out of your bubble and see the reality.
Food for thought. But feels like other factors are missing.
She is mostly not talking about the US. The rest of the “west” is not at all similar to them. She mentioned only Canada and UK by name.
And what US companies do there, they do worse in India. Moreover, most Indian companies have very shitty work culture (only Japan have worse culture among developed nations, I think). So that comparison is also nonsensical.
You may believe in the fairy tale you conjured. But that’s your personal story. Thousands still migrate yearly, and millions have no plans to return. I have scores of friends who settled outside, and I was the only one to come back. But that was not because it is better here, it’s not. Just that the family is here.
Good. best wishes
This writer has to bea straight up paid western stooge. They respect their labor? They have built a good life for workerg lass? Is that why the “working class” is working 3 joks and still has no money to buy basic necessities? Homelessness is through the roof, medical bills are through the roof and all the benefits from their jobs are gone. USD is literally flooding their country with illegal migrants to replace the working class. I don’t know what you are shorting but please stop. you think income inequality is bad in India? The top 001% Billionaires of usA have more wealth than 50% of the world’s population combined. And itis all blood money from wars and slave labor in places like Congo. Please get a brain implant before suggesting that some delivery company ding their job to rrent labelb & picking up parcels is somehow ‘exploitation’. Not everyone can earn money spewing nonsense. Please go learn what actual work is. And then see how Amazon refuses its workers to use a bathroom or how restaurants don’t pay wages to wait staff who only make in tips. most of their jobs are being replaced by automation anyway. Plus westerners are kazr and have horrible work ethic , managerial skills, or mental capacity, which is why they need immigrants to run their country. For which they peddle bs through bs writers to perpetuate the western brand. The west is one of the worst places on the planet for labor laws, currently there are stares trying to push child labor to be back. Please stop with this idiocy, you are embarrassing yourself
And what about the population burden, can it be compared with those countries. The amount of money and resources that we have to provide to major chunk of our population in the name of welfare schemes is far more than the money spent by those countries on systems like NHS.
The article writer should not have his/her biases and should look at all the perspective that led to a situation.
The value of all goods & services are mostly based on their demand and supply. It’s a well know fact that Walmart or Amazon pays minimum wages for their workers in US, however, no one seems to complain about it. Things are changing in India as well, I now see a lot of middle or even lower income people giving tips at restaurants as well as for home deliveries.
India is a unique nation, much like brands such as Maruti or Tata, which offer cars for every class. Similarly, our labor wages vary according to the class of the person using their services. One example that comes to mind is of Kareena Kapoor’s nanny, who used to get paid around 1 lakh per month to take care of her child. In contrast, a majority of middle-class citizens in India might earn 1 lakh as a monthly salary. So, what should they be paying for similar services? The answer is that they pay according to the equilibrium of supply and demand for labor in their area.
Western countries are developed nations, but even they went through a journey from free labor (slaves) to low-wage labor, and now to minimum-wage labor. However, this transition happened over a long period of time. In any transaction, there are two parties involved: a buyer and a seller. A buyer might have all the respect for the seller and their product or service, but if the buyer’s budget is limited, they will either search for a seller who matches their budget or make an extra effort to do the tasks themselves. The majority of our population has a limited budget to offer, and we as a country have an excess supply of such service vendors.
There will always be exploitative buyers who will try to exploit this situation, irrespective of whether they come from a developing country like India or a developed nation such as the US or Canada. Take, for example, Apple, the world’s richest organization. They see the entire world as a supplier of labor and always look towards China, India, and other Southeast Asian countries where they can exploit cheap labor. The goal is to maximize profits. For individuals, we do not see it as profit but as savings (bachat).
For us to implement a minimum wage structure that includes labor dignity and respect, it will only be successful when the purchasing power of our entire nation improves. Until then, we will always treat the excess labor supply as a commodity and pay wages according to market conditions.
As soon as someone praise india the victim group gets activated. A chai wala can become PM with hard work. In populated india and throat cut competition, we get time to show we are victims.
Why is India comfortable for living?labour is dirt cheap, and exploited, they are treated like dirt, exceptions few.
Wages should be fixed and Universal basic income, should be worked out, rather than ration system. All drama is worked around political tamasha.
Have you ever thought about the population difference, the work load, and other factors before writing this article about some trending Instagram reels miss? Hmm…? Do you know that people return things soo much from a lower income class to the higher ups hmmm??? Don’t you know that these big companies giants haven’t thought about this thing…… Of course you don’t because you’re an online reels, snaps person why would you even bother to think this. Now well please give your brain and eyes a rest and think on this subject.
Namaste 🙏🙏🙏
Amna you are right on a certain level. But the UK, US are not worth glorifying at all. Their NHS is in a shambles; as you must know, junior doctors are protesting from the last 6 months or so for humane working conditions.
And don’t even get me started on how healthcare in the US works! In India, abortion is a fundamental right. In the US even a rape victim can’t get an abortion. Alternative medicine is popular as normal healthcare is beyond the reach of many save a rich few.
All that glitters is not gold.
I totally disagree with this. The pay should be commiserate to the effort of the person and also the cost of acquiring the expertise. Then there is also there is demand and supply.
If you hike labour cost and cost of running an industry, industries just move to a cheaper place. The west due to this, is suffering as all the industries, moved to china and other cheaper places. There is very limited growth for the country when it happens. The Chinese status now has happened only because of this movement of industries, which happened because of high cost of labour. The leftist people, who has never employed a person or run a company will say improve the pay. But it’s the industrialist is the one who is paying for the people.
Another important point is that,if people are paid higher pays for less qualified jobs, there will be lesser need for them to get education. This will deeply impact their quality in the long run.
India shouldn’t never imbibe the western standards and follow the path to destruction.
You should get your facts right. It is more out of compulsion rather than respect! And it extends to other forms of labour which the west is importing from India (outsourcing).
This is so true. Well said.
Labour unions are now a thing of the past and hence a labour market in an environment with unemployment and scarce opportunities, cheap un-organised labour that can be exploited is easier to be found and exploited.
No doubt canada is hell for livivng stanadard
You need to fall sick in Canada to know how their medical system works. Pathetic.
If the supply of labour is more than its demand then it is clear that the wages would be lower.
Just to make it funny, they are only labour, and look at Indian love of that labour. Dangerous. Distant. Another.
The lady knows that she can have her parcel collected from home but there is an extra fee.
In the West Nothing is free
A bit naive. Some of the West’s prosperity is the result of exploitation of natives of America, Africa, Asia, Australia over centuries. The respect and dignity that they now extend to their labour never existed for the peoples they enslaved. Once they wiped out local ethnicities like in America and Australia all the codes of human dignity and rights were developed. No point in comparing with India, with too many people and too few jobs.
I completely agree with you on the count that the Western society has been largely exploitative of its ethnic population, and, now its more out of a shortage of labour or their exorbitantly high rates, and, not so much out of respect for the labour force that the Westerners perform most of their tasks themselves.
Therefore, its mostly compulsion and not necessarily recognition of human rights by extending a fair deal to workers.
However, I am sure there are certainly things to learn from the West as well.
And as Amna has pointed out there is no denying the fact that we here in India do take our labour force for granted in the absence of a pay structure and other basic benefits for them.
Therefore, while we as beneficiaries of someone’s service, must treat the service provider with respect and ensure to pay them their rightful dues, the private players and governments have a much bigger role to play in making sure the workers get their labour’s worth.
When it comes to giving Gyan, no one can match an Indian. Particularly, when it is high on morality.