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Why did he want to change the slogan to “Go, Uttarakhand”? You should not ask anyone to change their slogans. If a player isn’t willing to praise Rani Mata, he shouldn’t but asking others to not do this is just not done.
Many Indian Military units also have Hindu slogans.
For example, Gorkha regiment’s war cry is “Jai Ma Kali, ayo Gorkhali”
Rajputana Rifles war cry is “Raja Ramachandra ki jai”
Rajput regiment’s war cry is “Bol Bajrang Bali ki jai”
Bihar’s regiment’s war cry is “Jai Bajrang Bali”
J&K rifles war cry is “Durga Mata ki jai!”
Te same Jaffer when not selected for the national team on account of poor form had complained that his non selection was on account of his being muslim. Now he is trying to don a secular face.
I think this article is worse than the fact reported. Wassim Jaffer is respected all over india and will remain so. A few Individuals cannot change that fact. In fact this article is increasing the problem rather than reducing it. And should anyone compare with treatment given to cricketers in any other country? Indians love and hate their cricketers without thinking about their religion. Please don’t add to the fire.
The worst part is inviting Maulvi. This is absurd and smacks of ill-intent. This is is a global problem with establishment,office or any other area that some want to get out for prayers in midst of work or any activity just for show off and solidarity and challenge authorities and normal life. If these people create this kind of disruptions, they can well sit at home instead of creating bad feelings among all and playing victim card. No takers in India for such antics.
This is very irrigation all this communal spin to each and everything seema to be a big agenda run behind the screen. If this is not addressed in the initial stages as the author described this could be a potential for a repeat of 1947. I dont know whats stopping people like tendulkar etc who did not even comment.
2000 HINDU woman are raped and forcefully converted and men enslaved in pakistan. Such brutality is used to prove how non believers and infidels are to be treated.
THE anger arises out of the fact that due to BJP government and MODIJI there is fear amongst rioters that they will be punished.
Hence this visceral hatred is spewed towards HINDUS by fake propaganda
Data: Duly noted that your mentors are in Pakistan and that you want India to copy Pakisatn !
Bloody anti-national !!!
The silence of the lambs. If some foreign cricketers express sympathy and solidarity with Wasim Jaffer, will the gods of Indian cricket tick them off, say this is India’s internal matter.
One idiot does something, don’t blame it on others. Blame the person and suggest/take action upon that person. Deshbhakts like me don’t support religion cropping up into areas like these.
Aside the opinionated piece, there are lot of factual inaccuracies in the article –
1. Government is not making the Ram Temple. (although temples across the country are held by government which it should not)
2. Kirmani wasn’t among the greatest keepers who played, by stats even Rahul Dravid who was a part time keeper is better than Kirmani, in the craft of keeping Kirmani was worse off than Nayan Mongia.
3. Anybody can donate to the Ram Temple in his/her personal capacity, one need not to relinquish personal beliefs if one has occupied a public office. By mentioning donations by the President, author is merely dog-whistling like the rest of her jaundiced article.
I hope Jaffer should get justice, if he’s innocent he should be reinstated while the official fired. And if he’s guilty then he should be stripped off of all the records of his playing time under Ranji/team India.
“.. Kirmani wasn’t among the greatest keepers who played, by stats even Rahul Dravid who was a part time keeper is better than Kirmani, in the craft of keeping Kirmani was worse off than Nayan Mongia ..”
Of course, coming from a bhakth and presumably a Godse worshipper in the Sadhvai Pragya Thaur mould,, such blatantly discriminatory statements do not come as a surprise. Indeed, that is the standard fare they taught you in your shaka.
But your bigoted views apart, your claims about Syed Kirmani and Nayan Mongia can be analysed through the more objective lens of statistics. So here are the stats for Kirmani & Mongia and I restricting myself to Tests:
“Kirmani was the quietly efficient worker ant who replaced the flamboyant Farokh Engineer behind the stumps for India, and went on to become their greatest wicketkeeper. His 12-year stint at the top saw a sea-change in the way India played. The early part of Kirmani’s career was spent keeping wicket to the famed spin quartet, never the easiest of tasks. After they faded away, he had to step back a few paces to deal with a seam attack spearheaded by Kapil Dev. It is testament to Kirmani’s greatness as a keeper that he was able to perform both roles with distinction. A doughty batsman down the order, he scored two Test hundreds and baled India out on several occasions. He played a crucial role in India’s triumph in the 1983 World Cup, contributing a flourish or two with the bat in addition to being immaculate behind the stumps”
About Nayan Mongia, ESPN writes:
“.. he will probably be remembered more for off-the-field controversies. He was been dropped from the India team for apparently not trying to win a match, suspended after showing dissent at an umpiring decision, and banned after suspicions of being involved in the match-fixing crisis of the late 1990s. He retired at the end of 2004, after being left out by Baroda, his home state.”
Mongia has played fewer games than Kirmani, has a lower batting average than Kirmani. On the average, Mongia has more catches/match whilst Kirmani has more stumpings/match. Additionally, unlike Kirmani, Mongia has not faced the immense challenges that keeping to the famed spin quartet of India entailed.
Finally, you go on to say that the GOI is not making the Ram temple. Nonsense, in many BJP run states, state employees are being “encouraged” to donate to the temple. Of course, for Godse worhsippers, in these terrible economic times, it is neither the pandemic nor the tanking economy that matters – only cows and the temple matter.
First of all cricketers, all of them, play for themselves and BCCI, not for the nation.
As for Jaffer, enough evidence exists for his culpability. What surprises me is people who have zero knowledge about what’s going on in the Uttarakhand cricket board are commenting as if they know in and out of the case.
“.. people who have zero knowledge about what’s going on in the Uttarakhand cricket board are commenting as if they know in and out of the case ..”
Care to lay bare your credentials and why you have this insider’s knowledge about Uttarakhand Cricket Board? Are the Board members itchy-testicled bhaiyyas from your own shaka? Do you sit on the Board ?
Looks like you are more communal than even the die hard communal in the country. You have very little or no knowledge of Cricket that’s the reason you don’t know the difference between Kirmani and Mongia. You should learn to give credit where it is deserved. Grow up man
Well said Mr Himmat !
But then, if you have obtained your education in an RSS shaka and have learnt to hate Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Dalits and other lower caste Hindus as “Percussionist” appears to have done, well, such displays of bigotry are completely predictable. People like Percussionist are the online equivalents of Babu Bajrangi, the devil who obtained pleasure by pouring diesel on innocent Muslim women and children and burning them to death. And you can hear this “Hindu” bragging about it here: bit.ly/2NyUEOG
Hope to read more commenst from you Sir !
Utter waste of space and written by someone who knows nothing of sports leave alone cricket . Uttarakhand is a poor team that lost most of its matches in the Mushtaq Ali Trophy ( you heard it right , the biased and communal BCCI has a trophy dedicated to a muslim cricketer to choose India’s best bets in ODIs ) . So blame game turns cynical. BTW, why should anyone call a religious teacher when the team is in a bubble, what next a preacher and a pundit travelling with the team ? Stop copying bad habits of the Pakistanis , who are sick themselves of the backward path their country has taken by public demonstration of religious belief in a sports field . And it leads to stupid counter examples by the majority community in the form of maha arthi and collection for temple. Assimilate , stop growing beard to look different , don’t have to recite kalimas in a sports field . We know you are pure and we respect your belief.
What has happened has happened? Hopefully, it was a case of an association secretary using all means to discredit the coach so that he can come out clean. Unfortunately he used the meanest of tricks possible in an atmosphere vilified by hate.
What is now important is how the BCCI acts? If it doesn’t ask for an investigation and exonerate the innocent and act upon the guilty, then the BCCI will be seen as an accomplice to what has happened.
Why did he want to change the slogan to “Go, Uttarakhand”? You should not ask anyone to change their slogans. If a player isn’t willing to praise Rani Mata, he shouldn’t but asking others to not do this is just not done.
Many Indian Military units also have Hindu slogans.
For example, Gorkha regiment’s war cry is “Jai Ma Kali, ayo Gorkhali”
Rajputana Rifles war cry is “Raja Ramachandra ki jai”
Rajput regiment’s war cry is “Bol Bajrang Bali ki jai”
Bihar’s regiment’s war cry is “Jai Bajrang Bali”
J&K rifles war cry is “Durga Mata ki jai!”
Te same Jaffer when not selected for the national team on account of poor form had complained that his non selection was on account of his being muslim. Now he is trying to don a secular face.
I think this article is worse than the fact reported. Wassim Jaffer is respected all over india and will remain so. A few Individuals cannot change that fact. In fact this article is increasing the problem rather than reducing it. And should anyone compare with treatment given to cricketers in any other country? Indians love and hate their cricketers without thinking about their religion. Please don’t add to the fire.
He is a gentleman and a brillient player. All records speak for him. Cricket and religion should not be mixed.
This seems to be a ego clash turned into a mud sledging.
For state and the country this will be very costly. BCCI should ban all involved.
The worst part is inviting Maulvi. This is absurd and smacks of ill-intent. This is is a global problem with establishment,office or any other area that some want to get out for prayers in midst of work or any activity just for show off and solidarity and challenge authorities and normal life. If these people create this kind of disruptions, they can well sit at home instead of creating bad feelings among all and playing victim card. No takers in India for such antics.
This is very irrigation all this communal spin to each and everything seema to be a big agenda run behind the screen. If this is not addressed in the initial stages as the author described this could be a potential for a repeat of 1947. I dont know whats stopping people like tendulkar etc who did not even comment.
What is the need then to bring in maulvi into dressing room, Go do a better reporting facts. Next he will be trying to convert people.
2000 HINDU woman are raped and forcefully converted and men enslaved in pakistan. Such brutality is used to prove how non believers and infidels are to be treated.
THE anger arises out of the fact that due to BJP government and MODIJI there is fear amongst rioters that they will be punished.
Hence this visceral hatred is spewed towards HINDUS by fake propaganda
Data: Duly noted that your mentors are in Pakistan and that you want India to copy Pakisatn !
Bloody anti-national !!!
The silence of the lambs. If some foreign cricketers express sympathy and solidarity with Wasim Jaffer, will the gods of Indian cricket tick them off, say this is India’s internal matter.
#RinkuSharmq
One idiot does something, don’t blame it on others. Blame the person and suggest/take action upon that person. Deshbhakts like me don’t support religion cropping up into areas like these.
Cricket has no religion. Tell that to the ones who invite Maulvis/Maulanas into stadiums.
Nah! Who cares. They should not have appointed a muslim as coach anyway. This is HINDUstan not Pakistan.
Aside the opinionated piece, there are lot of factual inaccuracies in the article –
1. Government is not making the Ram Temple. (although temples across the country are held by government which it should not)
2. Kirmani wasn’t among the greatest keepers who played, by stats even Rahul Dravid who was a part time keeper is better than Kirmani, in the craft of keeping Kirmani was worse off than Nayan Mongia.
3. Anybody can donate to the Ram Temple in his/her personal capacity, one need not to relinquish personal beliefs if one has occupied a public office. By mentioning donations by the President, author is merely dog-whistling like the rest of her jaundiced article.
I hope Jaffer should get justice, if he’s innocent he should be reinstated while the official fired. And if he’s guilty then he should be stripped off of all the records of his playing time under Ranji/team India.
Percussionist:
“.. Kirmani wasn’t among the greatest keepers who played, by stats even Rahul Dravid who was a part time keeper is better than Kirmani, in the craft of keeping Kirmani was worse off than Nayan Mongia ..”
Of course, coming from a bhakth and presumably a Godse worshipper in the Sadhvai Pragya Thaur mould,, such blatantly discriminatory statements do not come as a surprise. Indeed, that is the standard fare they taught you in your shaka.
But your bigoted views apart, your claims about Syed Kirmani and Nayan Mongia can be analysed through the more objective lens of statistics. So here are the stats for Kirmani & Mongia and I restricting myself to Tests:
SYED KIRMANI
TESTS: 88
BATTING AVERAGE: 27.04
HUNDREDS: 2
FIFTIES: 12
CAUGHT : 160
STUMPED: 38
REF: es.pn/2N91nz4
NAYAN MONGIA
TESTS: 44
BATTING AVERAGE: 24.03
HUNDREDS: 1
FIFTIES: 6
CAUGHT : 99
STUMPED: 8
REF: es.pn/3tXatQ9
Indeed, ESPN describes Syed Kirmani as:
“Kirmani was the quietly efficient worker ant who replaced the flamboyant Farokh Engineer behind the stumps for India, and went on to become their greatest wicketkeeper. His 12-year stint at the top saw a sea-change in the way India played. The early part of Kirmani’s career was spent keeping wicket to the famed spin quartet, never the easiest of tasks. After they faded away, he had to step back a few paces to deal with a seam attack spearheaded by Kapil Dev. It is testament to Kirmani’s greatness as a keeper that he was able to perform both roles with distinction. A doughty batsman down the order, he scored two Test hundreds and baled India out on several occasions. He played a crucial role in India’s triumph in the 1983 World Cup, contributing a flourish or two with the bat in addition to being immaculate behind the stumps”
About Nayan Mongia, ESPN writes:
“.. he will probably be remembered more for off-the-field controversies. He was been dropped from the India team for apparently not trying to win a match, suspended after showing dissent at an umpiring decision, and banned after suspicions of being involved in the match-fixing crisis of the late 1990s. He retired at the end of 2004, after being left out by Baroda, his home state.”
Mongia has played fewer games than Kirmani, has a lower batting average than Kirmani. On the average, Mongia has more catches/match whilst Kirmani has more stumpings/match. Additionally, unlike Kirmani, Mongia has not faced the immense challenges that keeping to the famed spin quartet of India entailed.
Finally, you go on to say that the GOI is not making the Ram temple. Nonsense, in many BJP run states, state employees are being “encouraged” to donate to the temple. Of course, for Godse worhsippers, in these terrible economic times, it is neither the pandemic nor the tanking economy that matters – only cows and the temple matter.
First of all cricketers, all of them, play for themselves and BCCI, not for the nation.
As for Jaffer, enough evidence exists for his culpability. What surprises me is people who have zero knowledge about what’s going on in the Uttarakhand cricket board are commenting as if they know in and out of the case.
Percussionist: You bray:
“.. people who have zero knowledge about what’s going on in the Uttarakhand cricket board are commenting as if they know in and out of the case ..”
Care to lay bare your credentials and why you have this insider’s knowledge about Uttarakhand Cricket Board? Are the Board members itchy-testicled bhaiyyas from your own shaka? Do you sit on the Board ?
Looks like you are more communal than even the die hard communal in the country. You have very little or no knowledge of Cricket that’s the reason you don’t know the difference between Kirmani and Mongia. You should learn to give credit where it is deserved. Grow up man
Well said Mr Himmat !
But then, if you have obtained your education in an RSS shaka and have learnt to hate Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Dalits and other lower caste Hindus as “Percussionist” appears to have done, well, such displays of bigotry are completely predictable. People like Percussionist are the online equivalents of Babu Bajrangi, the devil who obtained pleasure by pouring diesel on innocent Muslim women and children and burning them to death. And you can hear this “Hindu” bragging about it here: bit.ly/2NyUEOG
Hope to read more commenst from you Sir !
Utter waste of space and written by someone who knows nothing of sports leave alone cricket . Uttarakhand is a poor team that lost most of its matches in the Mushtaq Ali Trophy ( you heard it right , the biased and communal BCCI has a trophy dedicated to a muslim cricketer to choose India’s best bets in ODIs ) . So blame game turns cynical. BTW, why should anyone call a religious teacher when the team is in a bubble, what next a preacher and a pundit travelling with the team ? Stop copying bad habits of the Pakistanis , who are sick themselves of the backward path their country has taken by public demonstration of religious belief in a sports field . And it leads to stupid counter examples by the majority community in the form of maha arthi and collection for temple. Assimilate , stop growing beard to look different , don’t have to recite kalimas in a sports field . We know you are pure and we respect your belief.
What has happened has happened? Hopefully, it was a case of an association secretary using all means to discredit the coach so that he can come out clean. Unfortunately he used the meanest of tricks possible in an atmosphere vilified by hate.
What is now important is how the BCCI acts? If it doesn’t ask for an investigation and exonerate the innocent and act upon the guilty, then the BCCI will be seen as an accomplice to what has happened.
Yup there should be an impartial probe. We are are so used to communalising every issue that we have started lacking empathy for each other.