Despite being almost 15% of population, Muslims have been underrepresented in the civil services. But Muslim officers insist the system is fair to them.
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There is always the talk of Muslim representation which if fact is not a minority community.
15 % is a big number in a 1.2crore population.
Other communities that are the real minorities are never mentioned.
This behaviour is observed in all the so called stastic figures.
Is there a deal, it looks like. Otherwise, the author has to clarify his stand.
Miss b miranda,,,actually the talk of muslim representation is because other minorities always have some sort of quota and reservation…which muslims never had…
This is good if we are discussing this…we are not saying just hire muslims more…we are saying we need to educate and make them aware so that they can make it to upsc…
Peace.✌
I think the discussion on this topic is fair enough.But the officers which are in this burocracy are certainly run by state ministers which are in power.For example,the IPS Sanjiv Bhatt from 1988 batch the brave officer and he didn’t bias on religious so in 2002 godhra Modi genocided Muslims by burning a train of karsevak of 59 (by their party to polarize) he used to give Hate speeches against Muslims in 2001 to anger Hindus.These speeches are recorded and Sanjiv Bhatt have these recordings.But for spoking truth he sinned.And the murderer amit shah suspended him.And after that even supreme Court haven’t considered his case even Congress didn’t considered him after 2004 bjp govt.Actually we need brave officers like IPS Sanjiv Bhatt which is Hindu but have courage to tell the truth, By honesty and unbiasedness on any community.We don’t need burocrats run by ruling party and opposition like muktar abbas naqvi have licked ass of modi like zafar sareshwala in 2002 did complain in international court of justice United Kingdom for burning his business after that modi full his pocket he now praises him.. Actually point is right we need Muslims in burocrats&in parliament like Owaisi who can’t change&interfere our Islamic rules but honestly if officer of any community didn’t bias free of political pressure is better for our nation like kejriwal
You are sick kid , get well soon
First read your own comment properly
We are a secular country. What Islamic rules are you talking about? We follow the Constitution and not your stupid Sharia. So sick of you.
you stupids dont know about great history of Islam and muslims and no one is talking about sharia here understood lobo
great history of rape, mass murder and genocide of people who disagree with Islam teachings. and 2002 was started by Islamic fundamentals who killed people in train
I agree that the above statement regarding administrative power within the hand of Muslim community must have a share,but if you connect this to politics by giving example of Modi ji and Owaisi,you take the wrong way.
Owaisi most of the time orate the one sided communal lecture,he is not a man of example.
ABDULLAH constitution has something known as UCC which means no smriti,sharia ,etc can be implemented .country will run only on the basis of constitution.no blasphemy laws ,no halala.every citizen except citizens of one community who want age old practices like triple talaq which even pakistan doesnt implement.if muslims went to SC n filed a petition for entry of women in sabrimala its secular but if hindus file a petition for entry of women in mosques its communal.but i liked d response of hindus on sabrimala .now muslims r trying some out of court settlement .fun thing to watch .
A correction really in an otherwise fair news report. The Hamdard Study Circle is not meant for Muslims exclusively. In my personal knowledge, they have several non- Muslim aspirants as wel.
The Constitution of India does not guarantee representation to anyone except SC, ST & so-called OBC. The rest have to find a place for themselves after overcoming numerous hurdles such as age restriction, minimum qualifying marks, sky-high fees, harsh checking of their papers, etc.
Sorry to say but few points look communal in nature. No doubt every community should get representation in the system but that’s depends on the that community too. UPSC don’t bias but muslim community because of its large family structure most of the muslim families can’t afford to educate their wards. If they can cut down the size of number of children they have they can give them education easily (there is always an exception).
P.S. I’m not against Muslims and want them to contribute in nation building. India is their country too.
I think you need to go through the census report the you should come forward to comment . Rate of Muslim population is decrease substantially and they are marching forward to be a
prosperous community
SELECTIVE OUTRAGE: There is no bar on Muslims to appear in any examinations including conducted by the UPSC. About 4000 Muslims appear for civil services test. Out of them, about 40 are selected. It means about one per cent is the selection rate while on the other hand, the total number of applicants is more than 10 lakh (One Million). Out of them, about 1000 are successful. It means the overall selection is one out of 1000. Among the Muslims, it is four out of 100. This bare fact is not highlighted.
Prof. Naseem A. Zaidi of Economics Department in the Aligarh Muslim University writes in the Economic & Political Weekly (January 18, 2014) that “ The demand for community-based reservation by the Muslim leadership seems to be a wild-goose chase in view of the constitutional and legal hurdles. For the Muslim political leadership, this demand is a catchy slogan yielding rich dividends. In the field of education, the main thrust of the policy adopted by most of the Muslim NGOs is on quantity rather than on quality. Educational institutions run by Muslim NGOs have mushroomed in urban areas but the quality of education, inculcation of a competitive spirit or career planning, etc. are rarely on their agenda. Muslims make up 3.46 per cent of the country’s 8,417 IAS and IPS officers. Of 292 Muslim officers, 160 are among 5,862 who had cracked the UPSC exams, while the remaining 132 are among 2,555 who were promoted to the IAS or IPS from the state civil services on the basis of seniority and performance.
Muslims represented 13.43 per cent of the population in the 2011 census. By that yardstick, the country has one IAS or IPS officer among every 5.73 lakh Muslims, compared to one among every 1.08 lakh non-Muslims.
Two states, interestingly, account for more than half the Muslim officers who cleared UPSC. Uttar Pradesh has over 34 per cent of them and Bihar nearly 22 per cent, a total of 90 Muslim officers. Uttar Pradesh leads the Muslim officers’ count with 55, followed by Bihar with 35, Kerala with 16 and Jammu and Kashmir with 15. Another trend is that the first two states account for the bulk of the senior Muslim IAS officers come from the northern states of the country while J&K and Kerala have been sending more and more Muslim officers since 2000.
“The northern belt was the cultural and educational belt of the Muslim community before Independence. The community in these parts has historically been more conscious about making an entry into the services, which explains the high number of Muslims from those states joining the civil services,” says Dr Abdus Shaban, deputy director at Tata Institute of Social Sciences.
There is always the talk of Muslim representation which if fact is not a minority community.
15 % is a big number in a 1.2crore population.
Other communities that are the real minorities are never mentioned.
This behaviour is observed in all the so called stastic figures.
Is there a deal, it looks like. Otherwise, the author has to clarify his stand.
Miss b miranda,,,actually the talk of muslim representation is because other minorities always have some sort of quota and reservation…which muslims never had…
This is good if we are discussing this…we are not saying just hire muslims more…we are saying we need to educate and make them aware so that they can make it to upsc…
Peace.✌
I think the discussion on this topic is fair enough.But the officers which are in this burocracy are certainly run by state ministers which are in power.For example,the IPS Sanjiv Bhatt from 1988 batch the brave officer and he didn’t bias on religious so in 2002 godhra Modi genocided Muslims by burning a train of karsevak of 59 (by their party to polarize) he used to give Hate speeches against Muslims in 2001 to anger Hindus.These speeches are recorded and Sanjiv Bhatt have these recordings.But for spoking truth he sinned.And the murderer amit shah suspended him.And after that even supreme Court haven’t considered his case even Congress didn’t considered him after 2004 bjp govt.Actually we need brave officers like IPS Sanjiv Bhatt which is Hindu but have courage to tell the truth, By honesty and unbiasedness on any community.We don’t need burocrats run by ruling party and opposition like muktar abbas naqvi have licked ass of modi like zafar sareshwala in 2002 did complain in international court of justice United Kingdom for burning his business after that modi full his pocket he now praises him.. Actually point is right we need Muslims in burocrats&in parliament like Owaisi who can’t change&interfere our Islamic rules but honestly if officer of any community didn’t bias free of political pressure is better for our nation like kejriwal
You are sick kid , get well soon
First read your own comment properly
We are a secular country. What Islamic rules are you talking about? We follow the Constitution and not your stupid Sharia. So sick of you.
you stupids dont know about great history of Islam and muslims and no one is talking about sharia here understood lobo
great history of rape, mass murder and genocide of people who disagree with Islam teachings. and 2002 was started by Islamic fundamentals who killed people in train
I agree that the above statement regarding administrative power within the hand of Muslim community must have a share,but if you connect this to politics by giving example of Modi ji and Owaisi,you take the wrong way.
Owaisi most of the time orate the one sided communal lecture,he is not a man of example.
ABDULLAH constitution has something known as UCC which means no smriti,sharia ,etc can be implemented .country will run only on the basis of constitution.no blasphemy laws ,no halala.every citizen except citizens of one community who want age old practices like triple talaq which even pakistan doesnt implement.if muslims went to SC n filed a petition for entry of women in sabrimala its secular but if hindus file a petition for entry of women in mosques its communal.but i liked d response of hindus on sabrimala .now muslims r trying some out of court settlement .fun thing to watch .
A correction really in an otherwise fair news report. The Hamdard Study Circle is not meant for Muslims exclusively. In my personal knowledge, they have several non- Muslim aspirants as wel.
The Constitution of India does not guarantee representation to anyone except SC, ST & so-called OBC. The rest have to find a place for themselves after overcoming numerous hurdles such as age restriction, minimum qualifying marks, sky-high fees, harsh checking of their papers, etc.
Sorry to say but few points look communal in nature. No doubt every community should get representation in the system but that’s depends on the that community too. UPSC don’t bias but muslim community because of its large family structure most of the muslim families can’t afford to educate their wards. If they can cut down the size of number of children they have they can give them education easily (there is always an exception).
P.S. I’m not against Muslims and want them to contribute in nation building. India is their country too.
I think you need to go through the census report the you should come forward to comment . Rate of Muslim population is decrease substantially and they are marching forward to be a
prosperous community
SELECTIVE OUTRAGE: There is no bar on Muslims to appear in any examinations including conducted by the UPSC. About 4000 Muslims appear for civil services test. Out of them, about 40 are selected. It means about one per cent is the selection rate while on the other hand, the total number of applicants is more than 10 lakh (One Million). Out of them, about 1000 are successful. It means the overall selection is one out of 1000. Among the Muslims, it is four out of 100. This bare fact is not highlighted.
Prof. Naseem A. Zaidi of Economics Department in the Aligarh Muslim University writes in the Economic & Political Weekly (January 18, 2014) that “ The demand for community-based reservation by the Muslim leadership seems to be a wild-goose chase in view of the constitutional and legal hurdles. For the Muslim political leadership, this demand is a catchy slogan yielding rich dividends. In the field of education, the main thrust of the policy adopted by most of the Muslim NGOs is on quantity rather than on quality. Educational institutions run by Muslim NGOs have mushroomed in urban areas but the quality of education, inculcation of a competitive spirit or career planning, etc. are rarely on their agenda. Muslims make up 3.46 per cent of the country’s 8,417 IAS and IPS officers. Of 292 Muslim officers, 160 are among 5,862 who had cracked the UPSC exams, while the remaining 132 are among 2,555 who were promoted to the IAS or IPS from the state civil services on the basis of seniority and performance.
Muslims represented 13.43 per cent of the population in the 2011 census. By that yardstick, the country has one IAS or IPS officer among every 5.73 lakh Muslims, compared to one among every 1.08 lakh non-Muslims.
Two states, interestingly, account for more than half the Muslim officers who cleared UPSC. Uttar Pradesh has over 34 per cent of them and Bihar nearly 22 per cent, a total of 90 Muslim officers. Uttar Pradesh leads the Muslim officers’ count with 55, followed by Bihar with 35, Kerala with 16 and Jammu and Kashmir with 15. Another trend is that the first two states account for the bulk of the senior Muslim IAS officers come from the northern states of the country while J&K and Kerala have been sending more and more Muslim officers since 2000.
“The northern belt was the cultural and educational belt of the Muslim community before Independence. The community in these parts has historically been more conscious about making an entry into the services, which explains the high number of Muslims from those states joining the civil services,” says Dr Abdus Shaban, deputy director at Tata Institute of Social Sciences.