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Medical science is all about experience.The ayurveda surgeons will be trained properly itself and then allowed to do some basic surgeries like cataract.The ancient ayurveda books has clearly dealt with eye surgery already.There is a huge dearth of doctors in India itself,so training a few to do some basic treatment like malaria,dysentry,wound cleaning wont make a difference.Again there are instances when properly trained doctors couldnt deliver what they were expected to.So can you really trust anybody that blindly? Trained or untrained.And most importantly both BAMs,MBBS and biological science graduates follow the same books.Bookish knowledge never makes a succesful doctor…Its all about EXPERIENCE AND PRACTICE.
Given the fear of Indian public about success rates of surgeries (especially in the elderly) this move by the government will scare patients in India even more. At least for those patients who do their own research and being doubly sure before allowing themselves to undergo any type of surgery. Those who go by blind faith in the surgeon
(Be it llopath or ayurved) of course they will not face any anxiety about all this.
Ayush proponents like Mr Patwardhan and Mr Kotecha and organisations like CCIM should read Karl Popper’s philosophy on science. I think it will stimulate them into understanding why modern medicine is evidence based and why so much emphasis is placed on how to falsify claims.
If we as a country attempt to modernize ayurveda in a scientific manner, with high quality research and high standards of evidence, that will help ayurveda to discard what is irrelevant in this age and gain more acceptability in modern medicine.
More details are required how these surgeons are going to do the surgery – are they going to do it the old-fashioned way or they are going to use allopathic drugs. If they are going to use allopathic drugs then it is mixing 2 systems – one based on science and the other one not proven by science.
Agreed science is not a monopoly of any one group. But then the Ayush group should explain their theories in the terms of science and evidence based medicine. They very well know science and their Ayush theories are irreconciliable. But they want to associate with science selectively.
The Ayush ministry does not give heed to the point that science is not a belief system. The purpose of science is to falsify beliefs. However for Ayush, their beliefs are truths that are not to be questioned or falsified by science.
Lakhs of MBBS doctors start practise after finishing course by paying crores as donation…
Most of them pass without seeing enough OPs and most of them pass without doing any minor procedure even…
They don’t even see a surgery during their course
Capitation fee to study a course is a different problem. There are 50-60k seats in NEET out of which half are government college seats.
There are only about 30-40,000 surgeons in India and nearly 13-14,000 anaesthetists.
Instead of mixopathy, the better alternative is for the government to increase number of seats in government medical colleges or open more colleges so that more students get opportunity to study and practise modern medicine at UG and PG levels. This will certainly help quite a few upper caste students who could not get seats in government colleges and private colleges on merit due to reservations. So they will get trained in modern medicine from the start itself.
SURGERY IS NOT A TAG OF ALLOPATHIC , HOMOEOPATHY OR AURVEDA, IT IS SIMPLY A SUBJECT , WHO SOEVER PASSED THE EXAMS OF SURGERY BY THEORY AND PRACTICALS CAN PRACTICE SURGERY
I will never submit my family and myself to surgery under an ayurvedic trained doctor for any serious surgery.
This is not about just cutting the body up. It is all about knowing biochemistry, cells, tissues, biophysics in depth aided by medical devices and diagnostics which medical science knows and ayurveda doesnt. Ayurveda is not a science. It is a pseudoscience.
Just shut Ur mouth idiot …in Ayurveda 1st year itself we study modern Anatomy,physiology ,and biochemistry ..and and 5 Ayurveda subject total subjects in 1st year r 8 …and for MBBS only 3 subjects for first year ..
Ayurveda is not pseudoscience ….it’s the way of healthy and long life
And Ur knowledge ..is pseudoknowledge idiot
Well said….. Pseudo knowledge he had takem
Can you explain your doshas and pittas in terms of physiology or biochemistry? If you cannot then it is not science.
Just by adding these subjects to your curriculum doesn’t give you scientific mindset. If you believed in the Scientific method then only you will have the mindset, then you would find ayurvedic knowledge of cause of disease in most cases is not at all valid in today’s time and age.
Exactly. Well said !
Get your facts checked before you comment. What doctor you want to choose is totally upon your discretion. But are called BAMS a pseudoscience! Just go and check the syllabus of BAMS and then comment.
It should also be made mandatory that all these stupid and uneducated policy makers be allowed medical cover only by these ayurvedic surgeons and not allowed to get treatment form anywhere else. This madness makes me sick. Playing with people’s lives again. How low can the system stop in our country….
Medical science is all about experience.The ayurveda surgeons will be trained properly itself and then allowed to do some basic surgeries like cataract.The ancient ayurveda books has clearly dealt with eye surgery already.There is a huge dearth of doctors in India itself,so training a few to do some basic treatment like malaria,dysentry,wound cleaning wont make a difference.Again there are instances when properly trained doctors couldnt deliver what they were expected to.So can you really trust anybody that blindly? Trained or untrained.And most importantly both BAMs,MBBS and biological science graduates follow the same books.Bookish knowledge never makes a succesful doctor…Its all about EXPERIENCE AND PRACTICE.
Given the fear of Indian public about success rates of surgeries (especially in the elderly) this move by the government will scare patients in India even more. At least for those patients who do their own research and being doubly sure before allowing themselves to undergo any type of surgery. Those who go by blind faith in the surgeon
(Be it llopath or ayurved) of course they will not face any anxiety about all this.
Ayush proponents like Mr Patwardhan and Mr Kotecha and organisations like CCIM should read Karl Popper’s philosophy on science. I think it will stimulate them into understanding why modern medicine is evidence based and why so much emphasis is placed on how to falsify claims.
If we as a country attempt to modernize ayurveda in a scientific manner, with high quality research and high standards of evidence, that will help ayurveda to discard what is irrelevant in this age and gain more acceptability in modern medicine.
More details are required how these surgeons are going to do the surgery – are they going to do it the old-fashioned way or they are going to use allopathic drugs. If they are going to use allopathic drugs then it is mixing 2 systems – one based on science and the other one not proven by science.
Agreed science is not a monopoly of any one group. But then the Ayush group should explain their theories in the terms of science and evidence based medicine. They very well know science and their Ayush theories are irreconciliable. But they want to associate with science selectively.
The Ayush ministry does not give heed to the point that science is not a belief system. The purpose of science is to falsify beliefs. However for Ayush, their beliefs are truths that are not to be questioned or falsified by science.
Lakhs of MBBS doctors start practise after finishing course by paying crores as donation…
Most of them pass without seeing enough OPs and most of them pass without doing any minor procedure even…
They don’t even see a surgery during their course
MBBS doctors do not do surgery…
Capitation fee to study a course is a different problem. There are 50-60k seats in NEET out of which half are government college seats.
There are only about 30-40,000 surgeons in India and nearly 13-14,000 anaesthetists.
Instead of mixopathy, the better alternative is for the government to increase number of seats in government medical colleges or open more colleges so that more students get opportunity to study and practise modern medicine at UG and PG levels. This will certainly help quite a few upper caste students who could not get seats in government colleges and private colleges on merit due to reservations. So they will get trained in modern medicine from the start itself.
SURGERY IS NOT A TAG OF ALLOPATHIC , HOMOEOPATHY OR AURVEDA, IT IS SIMPLY A SUBJECT , WHO SOEVER PASSED THE EXAMS OF SURGERY BY THEORY AND PRACTICALS CAN PRACTICE SURGERY
where is the list?
I will never submit my family and myself to surgery under an ayurvedic trained doctor for any serious surgery.
This is not about just cutting the body up. It is all about knowing biochemistry, cells, tissues, biophysics in depth aided by medical devices and diagnostics which medical science knows and ayurveda doesnt. Ayurveda is not a science. It is a pseudoscience.
Just shut Ur mouth idiot …in Ayurveda 1st year itself we study modern Anatomy,physiology ,and biochemistry ..and and 5 Ayurveda subject total subjects in 1st year r 8 …and for MBBS only 3 subjects for first year ..
Ayurveda is not pseudoscience ….it’s the way of healthy and long life
And Ur knowledge ..is pseudoknowledge idiot
Well said….. Pseudo knowledge he had takem
Can you explain your doshas and pittas in terms of physiology or biochemistry? If you cannot then it is not science.
Just by adding these subjects to your curriculum doesn’t give you scientific mindset. If you believed in the Scientific method then only you will have the mindset, then you would find ayurvedic knowledge of cause of disease in most cases is not at all valid in today’s time and age.
Exactly. Well said !
Get your facts checked before you comment. What doctor you want to choose is totally upon your discretion. But are called BAMS a pseudoscience! Just go and check the syllabus of BAMS and then comment.
It should also be made mandatory that all these stupid and uneducated policy makers be allowed medical cover only by these ayurvedic surgeons and not allowed to get treatment form anywhere else. This madness makes me sick. Playing with people’s lives again. How low can the system stop in our country….
Not at all. This week lay ground for further degradation of Doctors’ fraternity which already degraded due to malpractices.