The Rs 59,000-crore Rafale deal is at the centre of a furious war of words between the govt and opposition. Here's an explainer on the jet and the controversy.
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Actually The Print and more so Shekhar Gupta look to be defending the Rafale deal although posturing to be anti-BJP. It is difficult to believe they are not able to see through the clever manipulation done by Narendra Modi rescue a completely broke Anil Ambani owing Rs 35K Cr to psu banks making him ride the Dassault bandwagon.As per original IOP rules of DPP-2013 the offset partner chosen by Dassault had to be approved by the GOI along with the main contract with France too in the picture giving sovereign guarantee. What must have happened is when Modiji imposed Anil Ambani as the IOP as pre -condition for the contract it was not acceptable to the then French govt.of Francois Hollande. Then MOD changed the IOP rules amending the DPP-2013 allowing main contract signing w/o IOP which could facilitate nomination of IOP separately later by Dassault in a given time frame to be approved by RM.Then you have the other IOP rules on responsibilities of Dassault in respect of IOP vis-a-vis GOI, of periodic monitoring for performances, penalties etc.by GOI for which even French govt. could be held responsible provided they give “sovereign guarantee which they have not given precisely because they do not have confidence in Anil Ambani.’This is how Modi govt. have forcibly thrust Anil Ambani in to the contract in- spite of French govt. not approving him. Next, on price the 300% inflated price on same Rafale RFP —that is bare plane plus same avionics as UPA times but extra weaponry(which again is a separate contract with MBDA as per UNI interview ) and inflation. But given the 3 times original price and double the price announced in Parliament the ‘kick-backs’ must have been cushioned in the inflated extra price which must have been already funneled to Reliance thru front companies about which RG keeps harping. So unless some investigating agency checks the break up of price with justification how does one give the deal a clean chit ? Modiji was voted for fighting corruption but BJP keeps on harping about UPA times corruption on D-contract but signs an opaque D-contract.So where is the CHANGE ?
It is suspicious as the questions are raised from the day one of deal signing. It was raised in all by elections but Government never made any statement about Price & Ambani in the deal. After more than one & half year when the same raised in Parliament, Govt not only too late but also in the wrong eyes with hiding the facts by saying there is clause of secrecy when Govt. paid media giving clarifications with distorted facts. On top that PM not making any statement. It is the fact that this Govt Has favoured only few Corporate houses. For more than three years blaming previous Govt for corruption & could not nail any one for the Scams rather based on biometric linked Aadhaar number launched all schemes. The fact remains that previous Govt. did termendous job by collecting huge data of Aadhar and started scheme like Linking Aadhaar with LPG subsidies with a vision to eliminate corruption. Mr.,Rajiv Gandhi had pointed out that out of 1 rupee only 15 paise is reaching effectively for the assigned expenditure rest 85 paise are sucked by middleman.
Now when next elections are approaching instead of giving the stock of what they ( specially PM ) said or committed in previous campaign not only in India but also by PM all over world, they now started blaming 70 years of previous Govts. PM spent money on touring and public meeting all over the world in the name of Indian Diaspora with not improving relations with neighboring countries is totally failure of his diplomacy both internal & internationally. Today our society is moving dangerously, I hope you would have understood the topic which I am pointing.
Heh,heh, heh. The Rafale is a very very good aircraft, nearly, or almost on par with the F-35. Unfortunately, it is also very very expensive. GOI may not want you to know that the Rafale costs about the same as the F-35 (it might actually costs more).
The quality of content is pathetic and must be paid by BJP. You have said that deal was never happen during UPA, you were right but UPA deal confirmation has happened in 2016 during modi for 126 Jets and the same has been communicated by HAL head and Dasault chairman in a press conference. Modi changed the same after 6 months. You gave me good format now I will write point by point to expose the paid media like yours
Its pity to know that the country deserves colition governments and not a single party monarch government. When the aspect of accountability is concerned, we are the costliest people living on the earth, the other side of the coin is that we pose ourselves as the followers of Vedas and dharma.
It’s pity to have such situation for the country men that the prime minister does not understand that he is not a person but an institution and he is assisted by so many committees and heads to enter into any deal or challenge that the country deserves. Personalization of the deal has brought a grim situation of this nature. Even if it is proved that there has been no wrong manipulation in the deal, mentally the damage has already been felt by the people of the country.
Please confirm it is apple to apple comparison .
If both are not same UPA & NDA version .then highlight deviations & associated price differential.
I dont think PM Modi will settle dealfor higher price knowing fully well Bofors & Augusta case being debated in print & electronic media.
Truth & Transparency must be revealed.
Enough time has now passed to demonstrate to India that the Eurofighter is by far the better deal. India might well require some Rafales for carrier operations, but that no longer remains sufficient reason to supply Rafales to land based operations.
The Rafale is a lugger, like the F-18. India does not require luggers. No nation flies its aircraft around with any more than the bare minimum of munitions. The Eurofighter has the most reliable engines ever produced on a fighter. You buy the plane, and it flies; anywhere, anytime. Plus, compared to the Rafale, the Eurofighter retains massive growth potential. Already there are aerodynamic upgrades at minimal cost that will make the Eurofighter outperform the Rafale in dogfight manoeuvres. But that is mute anyway, since of all fighters pitched against the F-16 in dogfighting trials none bar the Eurofighter routinely beat it, and certainly no other fighters go on regularly beat two F-16’s at the same time. The Eurofighter is readied for a 20% increase in thrust that no operator feels the need for yet. Vectored thrust operates on the test bed yet no operator feels the need to afford it. The Eurofighter is set up for conformal fuel tanks that no operator demands yet. The rafale can get nowhere near being able to provide this growth potential.
The Eurofighter, uniquely, has the variable aperture intakes, high power to weight and miniscule frontal radar cross section to operate alongside the F-22 Raptor undetected.
Uniquely amongst the three Euro Canard aircraft (Eurofighter, Rafale, Gripen), the Rafale is stunted by not being able to receive communications from the Meteor missile.
The Eurofighter can carry larger radars than the Rafale. With the new AESA radar set for upgrade and new Eurofighter deliveries, the Rafale will again be isolated as the only Euro Canard incapable of side scanning radar tactical operation and self defence.
It is a commendable and bold decision on the part of the government to get these Rafael aircraft in a fly away condition. Sadly the gullible public is made to believe that it is a bad deal. The truth is that HAL has been eating the tax payers money for decades. The gross delays in production, with pathetic product support has been the hallmark of HAL. I have personally dealt with them during my three decades of service in the defence aviation. It is high time to call a spade a spade and move along. Yet once again with one step forward with move two steps backwards. Tejas aircraft to become fully operational will take years. We have people in public life with no clue about aeronautics and military know-how commenting on a good deal with the French government.
HAL Has been eating taxpayers money for decades, we must let others also eat it and अनिल ambanis company desperately needed help. They are already in red, almost 35000 crores. We being true Indian must help anybody in need. It was and is simple.
There should be a point mentioning… Article sponsored by government of india
An article has created more fog then clarified exact details.1.what is the cost of aircraft without add on.2.diffence in cost between us and oman and egypt aircraft.3.who will provide spares and for how long.4.maintainance back up.5.upgradation .6.how off set will be utilized,in which industry.7.relience will be making what kind of products.8.what are govt checks and balances over off set industries ect
You have omitted to explain 1 Are the two Rafales same.? 2. The extent of operational and technical differences between the two. 3. Is the deal for 126 still alive? 4. What contributes to the difference in unit cost?
Why it is not mentioning about the details of 126 Rafaels, such as armaments,missiles,India specific changes,maintenance,not taking responsibility of HAL producing Rafael s,Etc. Etc.
Such a expensive and advance fighter jet is not required for IAF atleast for next 20 years. GOI is literally wasting tax payers money and making those white people reacher for nothing instead GOI should concentrate on indigenous weapons like Tejas.
What those 36 French jets would make any difference in our arsenal, those fighters are useless from its induction instead induct 300-400 Tejas.
You are comparing apples and oranges. If the IAF has shortlisted this fighter they have very valid reasons. I wonder how have you concluded that we dont need Rafael!
You are nuts
You are living in stone age.
This column deals with A, B and C. Other columns might be required to move upto X, Y and Z.
Shekhar ji has once again shown his journalistic intelligence. Invisibly he wants to support BJP. He has cleverly arranged this article. Shekhar ji once again it is requested not to support wrong. You have achieved what one needs in journalism world. Now atleast be frank and bring out truth like Shoury and others.
Do not understand govt.’s reluctance to come clean on the deal by sharing price structures. Public has a right to judge if the new deal by PM Modi by scrapping the old deal is a sugar-coated scam. Yeshwant Sinha and Arun Shourie are not dummies or duffers. Their concern is rational and genuine.
Actually The Print and more so Shekhar Gupta look to be defending the Rafale deal although posturing to be anti-BJP. It is difficult to believe they are not able to see through the clever manipulation done by Narendra Modi rescue a completely broke Anil Ambani owing Rs 35K Cr to psu banks making him ride the Dassault bandwagon.As per original IOP rules of DPP-2013 the offset partner chosen by Dassault had to be approved by the GOI along with the main contract with France too in the picture giving sovereign guarantee. What must have happened is when Modiji imposed Anil Ambani as the IOP as pre -condition for the contract it was not acceptable to the then French govt.of Francois Hollande. Then MOD changed the IOP rules amending the DPP-2013 allowing main contract signing w/o IOP which could facilitate nomination of IOP separately later by Dassault in a given time frame to be approved by RM.Then you have the other IOP rules on responsibilities of Dassault in respect of IOP vis-a-vis GOI, of periodic monitoring for performances, penalties etc.by GOI for which even French govt. could be held responsible provided they give “sovereign guarantee which they have not given precisely because they do not have confidence in Anil Ambani.’This is how Modi govt. have forcibly thrust Anil Ambani in to the contract in- spite of French govt. not approving him. Next, on price the 300% inflated price on same Rafale RFP —that is bare plane plus same avionics as UPA times but extra weaponry(which again is a separate contract with MBDA as per UNI interview ) and inflation. But given the 3 times original price and double the price announced in Parliament the ‘kick-backs’ must have been cushioned in the inflated extra price which must have been already funneled to Reliance thru front companies about which RG keeps harping. So unless some investigating agency checks the break up of price with justification how does one give the deal a clean chit ? Modiji was voted for fighting corruption but BJP keeps on harping about UPA times corruption on D-contract but signs an opaque D-contract.So where is the CHANGE ?
Pet ka sawal hain…
Likhna parta hain eh sab
Crap.
A very. Shallow article.But what is amazing is the childish and politically motivated comments by ignorant people who have no knowledge
7.87 million euro or say 80lakh euro,that is 59 crore rupees.is it 7.87 billion.? Correct it
It is suspicious as the questions are raised from the day one of deal signing. It was raised in all by elections but Government never made any statement about Price & Ambani in the deal. After more than one & half year when the same raised in Parliament, Govt not only too late but also in the wrong eyes with hiding the facts by saying there is clause of secrecy when Govt. paid media giving clarifications with distorted facts. On top that PM not making any statement. It is the fact that this Govt Has favoured only few Corporate houses. For more than three years blaming previous Govt for corruption & could not nail any one for the Scams rather based on biometric linked Aadhaar number launched all schemes. The fact remains that previous Govt. did termendous job by collecting huge data of Aadhar and started scheme like Linking Aadhaar with LPG subsidies with a vision to eliminate corruption. Mr.,Rajiv Gandhi had pointed out that out of 1 rupee only 15 paise is reaching effectively for the assigned expenditure rest 85 paise are sucked by middleman.
Now when next elections are approaching instead of giving the stock of what they ( specially PM ) said or committed in previous campaign not only in India but also by PM all over world, they now started blaming 70 years of previous Govts. PM spent money on touring and public meeting all over the world in the name of Indian Diaspora with not improving relations with neighboring countries is totally failure of his diplomacy both internal & internationally. Today our society is moving dangerously, I hope you would have understood the topic which I am pointing.
No analysis and nothing of substance.waste of time
Shekharji very clever man mediating between bjp government and rafael for monetary benefit. Better you can select robbery instead of journalism
Heh,heh, heh. The Rafale is a very very good aircraft, nearly, or almost on par with the F-35. Unfortunately, it is also very very expensive. GOI may not want you to know that the Rafale costs about the same as the F-35 (it might actually costs more).
The quality of content is pathetic and must be paid by BJP. You have said that deal was never happen during UPA, you were right but UPA deal confirmation has happened in 2016 during modi for 126 Jets and the same has been communicated by HAL head and Dasault chairman in a press conference. Modi changed the same after 6 months. You gave me good format now I will write point by point to expose the paid media like yours
Its pity to know that the country deserves colition governments and not a single party monarch government. When the aspect of accountability is concerned, we are the costliest people living on the earth, the other side of the coin is that we pose ourselves as the followers of Vedas and dharma.
It’s pity to have such situation for the country men that the prime minister does not understand that he is not a person but an institution and he is assisted by so many committees and heads to enter into any deal or challenge that the country deserves. Personalization of the deal has brought a grim situation of this nature. Even if it is proved that there has been no wrong manipulation in the deal, mentally the damage has already been felt by the people of the country.
Any link with Mr Anil Ambani is reason enough to presume a fraud.
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Please confirm it is apple to apple comparison .
If both are not same UPA & NDA version .then highlight deviations & associated price differential.
I dont think PM Modi will settle dealfor higher price knowing fully well Bofors & Augusta case being debated in print & electronic media.
Truth & Transparency must be revealed.
Enough time has now passed to demonstrate to India that the Eurofighter is by far the better deal. India might well require some Rafales for carrier operations, but that no longer remains sufficient reason to supply Rafales to land based operations.
The Rafale is a lugger, like the F-18. India does not require luggers. No nation flies its aircraft around with any more than the bare minimum of munitions. The Eurofighter has the most reliable engines ever produced on a fighter. You buy the plane, and it flies; anywhere, anytime. Plus, compared to the Rafale, the Eurofighter retains massive growth potential. Already there are aerodynamic upgrades at minimal cost that will make the Eurofighter outperform the Rafale in dogfight manoeuvres. But that is mute anyway, since of all fighters pitched against the F-16 in dogfighting trials none bar the Eurofighter routinely beat it, and certainly no other fighters go on regularly beat two F-16’s at the same time. The Eurofighter is readied for a 20% increase in thrust that no operator feels the need for yet. Vectored thrust operates on the test bed yet no operator feels the need to afford it. The Eurofighter is set up for conformal fuel tanks that no operator demands yet. The rafale can get nowhere near being able to provide this growth potential.
The Eurofighter, uniquely, has the variable aperture intakes, high power to weight and miniscule frontal radar cross section to operate alongside the F-22 Raptor undetected.
https://i.redd.it/339tozvdt87x.png
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/i-went-war-against-stealth-fighters%E2%80%94-lost-badly-26156?page=2
Uniquely amongst the three Euro Canard aircraft (Eurofighter, Rafale, Gripen), the Rafale is stunted by not being able to receive communications from the Meteor missile.
The Eurofighter can carry larger radars than the Rafale. With the new AESA radar set for upgrade and new Eurofighter deliveries, the Rafale will again be isolated as the only Euro Canard incapable of side scanning radar tactical operation and self defence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOvAtAX3DT0
All anyone needs to know about the Rafale is: – if you can afford it, you can afford the Eurofighter.
It is a commendable and bold decision on the part of the government to get these Rafael aircraft in a fly away condition. Sadly the gullible public is made to believe that it is a bad deal. The truth is that HAL has been eating the tax payers money for decades. The gross delays in production, with pathetic product support has been the hallmark of HAL. I have personally dealt with them during my three decades of service in the defence aviation. It is high time to call a spade a spade and move along. Yet once again with one step forward with move two steps backwards. Tejas aircraft to become fully operational will take years. We have people in public life with no clue about aeronautics and military know-how commenting on a good deal with the French government.
HAL Has been eating taxpayers money for decades, we must let others also eat it and अनिल ambanis company desperately needed help. They are already in red, almost 35000 crores. We being true Indian must help anybody in need. It was and is simple.
There should be a point mentioning… Article sponsored by government of india
An article has created more fog then clarified exact details.1.what is the cost of aircraft without add on.2.diffence in cost between us and oman and egypt aircraft.3.who will provide spares and for how long.4.maintainance back up.5.upgradation .6.how off set will be utilized,in which industry.7.relience will be making what kind of products.8.what are govt checks and balances over off set industries ect
Does it cover everything? Where are the questions related to price difference?
A good batting on behalf of ….The print has its Agenda too…
I also can be given contract as Ambani also have same experience as mr
You have omitted to explain 1 Are the two Rafales same.? 2. The extent of operational and technical differences between the two. 3. Is the deal for 126 still alive? 4. What contributes to the difference in unit cost?
This is for school kids ! well written though but missing the crux of the issue which is severe overpayment for 36 Rafale in fly away condition.
The kind of report that makes a *pamphlet* out of a news outlet.
Why it is not mentioning about the details of 126 Rafaels, such as armaments,missiles,India specific changes,maintenance,not taking responsibility of HAL producing Rafael s,Etc. Etc.
Such a expensive and advance fighter jet is not required for IAF atleast for next 20 years. GOI is literally wasting tax payers money and making those white people reacher for nothing instead GOI should concentrate on indigenous weapons like Tejas.
What those 36 French jets would make any difference in our arsenal, those fighters are useless from its induction instead induct 300-400 Tejas.
You are comparing apples and oranges. If the IAF has shortlisted this fighter they have very valid reasons. I wonder how have you concluded that we dont need Rafael!
You are nuts
You are living in stone age.
This column deals with A, B and C. Other columns might be required to move upto X, Y and Z.
Shekhar ji has once again shown his journalistic intelligence. Invisibly he wants to support BJP. He has cleverly arranged this article. Shekhar ji once again it is requested not to support wrong. You have achieved what one needs in journalism world. Now atleast be frank and bring out truth like Shoury and others.
Do not understand govt.’s reluctance to come clean on the deal by sharing price structures. Public has a right to judge if the new deal by PM Modi by scrapping the old deal is a sugar-coated scam. Yeshwant Sinha and Arun Shourie are not dummies or duffers. Their concern is rational and genuine.