The situation in eastern Ladakh at the face-off points between Indian Army and the PLA–Pangong Tso, Hot Springs and Galwan river–remains unchanged from what I wrote in my last column in ThePrint. By now, the additional formations that would have been inducted by both sides to cater to escalation and further operations as per respective operational strategies, would have fully acclimatised to operate in these high-altitude regions.
Officially, both sides have been restrained in their statements and reiterated faith in diplomacy. Defence minister Rajnath Singh has said that diplomatic and military-level talks as per existing border management mechanism are in progress. While harping on “differing perceptions” about the Line of Actual Control (LAC), Singh said the Chinese presence along the LAC was in “achhi khasi sankhya (sizeable numbers)”. Major General-level talks have been conducted on 2 June and Lieutenant General-level, that is, talks at the level of Corps Commanders, are scheduled on 6 June.
China now has an upper hand in talks
Having seized the initiative by securing approximately 40-60 square km of Indian territory in three different areas, China will be negotiating from a position of strength and will try to impose unacceptable conditions–no further development of border infrastructure on the Indian side–to restore status quo on its own terms. If diplomacy fails, China has come prepared for a border skirmish or a limited war.
India’s task is cut out. It has to ensure that status quo ante 1 April, 2020 prevails for quasi sanctification of the “un-demarcated” LAC, so that China does not advance similar claims in future to gain tactical advantage and embarrass/humiliate India at will. If it cannot be done diplomatically, then it must be done by force. However, rather than evolving a clear strategy and broadly sharing it with the nation, the Narendra Modi government and the military have gone into ‘denial’ about any loss of territory, attributing the present situation to differing perceptions about the LAC.
Some journalists and activists are also busy peddling their interpretation of the alignment of the LAC to prove that no territory has been seized by China. A perception is being built for diplomatic acquiescence. What else does China want? We are playing into its hands.
I explain the ground situation in the three areas where loss of territory has taken place and analyse the dangers of justifying the loss to “differing perceptions of the LAC”.
Also read: ‘Unprecedented’ — India, China deploy Lt Gen-rank army officers to solve border row
Pattern of defence in Ladakh
The term LAC is not demarcated through a formal agreement, either side can vary in its perception. And this has remained the case despite the numerous confidence building agreements signed since 1993, and two informal summits. Out of the 857-km-long border in Ladakh, only 368 km is international border (IB) and the rest of the 489 km is the LAC. This was the line reached by China in 1962, which is exactly as per its 1960 claim line.
It is a treacherous high-altitude terrain with the valley height being 14,000 – 15,000 ft and hill features being at heights of 16,000-18,000 ft. The main defences cannot be physically located along the LAC because the terrain is not tactically suitable. These are located on the Ladakh Range, Pangong Range, along Shyok River and in the Depsang plains. The distance to the LAC varies from 10 to 80 km, depending upon the terrain. The main defences are manned by the Army and the LAC is secured by the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP). The security of the vast spaces ahead of the main defences is ensured by covering elements deployed at selected places, mechanised forces and by physical/electronic surveillance. The ITBP posts are along the routes of ingress and in disputed areas, but are not continuous like we have on the IB in plains.
There are vast gaps between the ITBP posts along the LAC. There are areas where the ITBP posts are well short of the LAC due to lack of infrastructure. To defend the entire length of the LAC, in strength and man, the main defences, as we do at the LoC, we will require at least 4-5 divisions instead of just one that is committed now. Even in the present pattern, the ITBP strength has to increase tenfold to effectively cover the entire length along the LAC.
Also read: Not Pangong or Galwan, why India must worry about Hotsprings-Gogra region most
Pangong sector
The map shown above is at slight variation from the one in my last column based on fresh inputs.
Some journalists are misinterpreting the ‘Fingers’ north of Pangong Tso to justify the denial of loss of territory. The annotated satellite image of Google Earth above gives the correct location of the Fingers and the territory lost. In 1962, we were holding the area up to Sirijap. This was captured by the PLA in 1962 and consequently the LAC runs west of it at Finger 8, on to Ane La pass. The PLA post with a jetty (in pic above) is located east of Sirijap. Till 2011, our ITBP post was located well to the rear at Phobrang. The Chinese Claim Line is up to Finger 4. ITBP patrolled up to Finger 8 and the PLA up to Finger 4.
In 2013 – 2014 we developed a road to Finger 3 and Ane La pass. The ITBP established a new post near Finger 3 in 2013. The PLA patrols started blocking our patrols between Finger 4 and 8. The Chinese considered the establishment of the post at Finger 3 a violation of border management agreements. The frequent patrol blocking by either side led to a violent scuffle on 15 August 2017 and thereafter jostling by patrols became common. The PLA post remained at Sirijap and no post was established between Finger 4 and 8. Our patrols continued to patrol upto Finger 8.
In end April and beginning May this year, the PLA moved in regular troops and physically secured the area between Finger 4 and Finger 8 and now sits on top of Finger 4 . As per my assessment, based on my experience and media reports, the PLA has secured the entire area from Finger 8 to Finger 4, a distance of 8 km, and are overlooking our ITBP post between Finger 4 and Finger 3. It has also secured the heights along Fingers 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 up to height of 4,500 – 5,000 meters ie 4-5 km to the north. Total area secured by the PLA is 35-40 square km. The PLA has deployed one or two battalions to defend the area as marked (on Image 1) with one or two battalions as reserve at Sirijap.
Also read: India, China need to break stalemate, greater challenges ahead: Former envoy Ashok Kantha
Galwan sector
In Galwan sector, the PLA has secured the heights north and south of the Galwan river with. The PLA seems to have come across the LAC for 2-3 km in the valley and then climbed up the heights. It is also possible that it climbed the heights from China’s side of the valley and then moved along the heights westwards up to 3-4 km. What matters in mountains/ high-altitude is the control of the heights. The valleys become untenable when surrounding heights are with the enemy.
It is likely that the PLA has secured the heights with two battalions with one held as reserve at the LAC.
For the apologists of the “differing perceptions” who have theories to deny loss of territory, it is pertinent to point out that there are no differing perceptions about the LAC along the Galwan River. The intrusion here is deliberate to threaten the Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldie (DS-DBO) Road and prevent us from defending it by securing the Galwan valley and the heights north and south of the river.
Also read: Chinese intrusion in Galwan lasted for two weeks before it was cleared by Indian troops
Hot Springs
As per my assessment, at Hot Springs/Gogra, the PLA with nearly a battalion has almost surrounded the post and effectively denied the approach to Kongka La pass, which lies on the LAC but is not held by us. The aim here is to prevent road construction by India to the Kongka La pass. At Hot Springs and Kongka La, which is 4-5 km away from Hot Springs, there is no “differing perception” about the LAC.
Also read: Chinese intrusion in Galwan lasted for two weeks before it was cleared by Indian troops
Playing into the hands of the Chinese
The justification of “differing perceptions” is just playing into the hands of the Chinese. We are very clear about the alignment of the LAC as we have cremated/buried our comrades who were killed in action in 1962. China stopped exactly on its claim line of 1960 and our rear posts were located on this line during the ’62 War. It is the Chinese claim line that has been changing since 1950.
It should be clear to the discerning reader that to be in denial and acquiesce to explain the loss of territory to “differing perceptions” will open pandora’s box, and in future, result in loss of more territory, possibly at Chumar, Demchok, Fukche, Kailash Range, Hot Springs, along the Shyok River and in Depsang Plains. Who knows China may apply the same logic at Tawang in the near future?
China cannot be allowed to get away with usurping Indian territories like it has done till now. This confrontation must end with status quo ante 1 April, 2020 and sanctification of the LAC with formal exchange of maps. Major Shaitan Singh, PVC and Major (later Lt Col) Dhan Singh Thapa, PVC who defended Rezang La and Sirijap in 1962 and 3,000 of our soldiers who were killed in action would be very unhappy in Valhalla. They died fighting in areas that lie along the current LAC. It would be a shame if we now acquiesce to give up those areas without firing a shot using the fig leaf of “differing perceptions”.
No wonder the Chinese military strategist and philosopher Sun Tzu said some 2,500 years ago: “For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.”
Lt Gen H S Panag PVSM, AVSM (R) served in the Indian Army for 40 years. He was GOC in C Northern Command and Central Command. Post-retirement, he was Member of Armed Forces Tribunal. Views are personal.
Excellent Piece General Sahib …
Speaks volumes about ur military acumen and command over strategic ramifications. U were able to see it coming from a distance and the events till today prove that u were absolutely on the dot.
Detonate the Nuke.
India under Modi has become hostile and it needs such lessons from every neighbor not only China. India has border disputes with all of its neighbors as it is occupying forcefully their territories. India last year revoked the special status of disputed Kashmir territory; this decision will haunt India forever and now China should take back all of Ladakh in India’s control under Chinese control.
And China has love from all its neighbors?
You professed love in E.Pakistan but they spurned your overtures is it?
Let this be very clear that India has breached not just territorial sovereignty of Pakistan but also China. For the years, India threatened and coerced Pakistan with its covert and overt military options but China being superior to India in every aspect has given befitting response to Indian actions. Those actions were contrary to the international law and this time one mighty power had guts to shun India’s illegal occupation of Kashmir territory.
Paki! Thank you! What logic!
Just a matter of confusion who all are called bhakts? This implies we can categorize people as bhakts, (which apparently gives a feeling of devotion towards some cause) and non bhakts, who could be anything…may be bhakts of some other regime/individuals/parties etc. but as it appears, they won’t like to be called bhakts or clearly accept their devotion for some other political set up. Are they selected through some defined criteria, including UPSC examination unlike so called bhakts? Are non bhakts as per above classification are those who actually wish that present Govt should go and make the way for the brilliant guys like RG, MV, AY, MSY, LPY etc, who shall be able to tide over the crisis and do real wonders etc? Or some other better alternative is there in the mind. If so it must be stated clearly so that our countrymen should start thinking and supporting such ideas and endeavors.
Anyhow…let it be as it is but the interest of nation is supreme. Like any other country, including our rogue western neighbour, we need to show solidarity towards our nation, the present Govt/political regime and should avoid criticizing our own nation/community every now and then. In the time of difficulty we need to strengthen the hands of our rulers so that they could confidently face the challenges thrown before the country.
The Rulers should also not wash dirty linen about previous regimes in foreign countries. Does any other Leader of a Country do it abroad..
Anger and intolerance in the words of sanghis and chaddiwalas in the comment column are the enemies of sequential deductive reasoning applied by the author for the inference that India lost the territory .They are letting themselves get swallowed by the great chewing complacency .Their outburst of vanity and complacency is so directly contrary to the bitter facts in Ladakh .These sanghis hate to see the facts for justifying their icon Modi .Modi and army dropped the ball whereas bhakths entered a period of self glory and closed their eyes to the conspicuous facts .When Modi loses in all fronts domestic and international through his botched up operations his blind sycophants are searching for new and more intricate explanations to to explain away defeat . Hell on them
The theory of ” denial mode” is true in all probability. The bakths in the media are ever fond of portraying Muddy G as the omnipotent messiah of Mother India. Their portrayal of Modi as strong and invincible has been gobbled up by the gullible and communal cow dung worms in large parts of India which is the essence of his survival against all odds. The task in this case is taken up by Rahul Kanwal Et al of India Today dishing out stories like how the elephant is staring down the dragon. It is highly probable that India is silently acquisecing to the loss of territory fully conscious that it cannot stand up to the dragon militarily. The government is cleverly using its captive and pliant media to hide the facts and lull the nation into a false sense of security.
shame on the use of words print. you sound like global times .are you subsidary of globaltimes.cn?
They are like press operating under terrorist.
This is not about congress or BJP. It’s just that our current government is hiding few real facts of LAC because believe me anything is possible but satellite images never lie check out the latest images at google. As there were no tourists at Pangong lake this summer because of lockdown so without civilians it was easy for China to move forward with its plannings because otherwise India would have used shield of civilians at UN and other key points. So China just took advantage of that point and entered into our territory to mount pressure on India over various points. As China don’t want it’s manufacturing units shifting to India so China wanted to show the world that it’s more stable and stronger than India. China also wanted to stop US’s growing relations with India and they also wanted to stop our improving infrastructure along Ladakh and eastern India they can do so because you guys just go and check the difference between India army and China army. They have 4 times the budget of our Indian army. As Rafale fighters are on order the best we have are Su30 MKI. Have you seen real figures of Su30 it’s a fighter with low power engines and lots of problems with reliability not even 50% of them are available at any moment given, did you know titanium nozzles of this plane needed to be replaced after every 500 hrs plus China also have same Su30 fighters but they use them as secondary outdated fighters. Just check what China have, they have J20 a fighter of fifth generation with stealth technology. India can’t have 5th generation fighter for next 5-10 years. Do you know China even have train connectivity to this Ladakh region so they can move heavy artillery to this area within a short period of time. How far our large cities from LAC just few hundred K.m they don’t have any major city for around thousands of k.m from LAC. Our GDP is shrinking from last 1 year and theirs is growing. Look at the difference we have a GDP of $2 trillion and they have GDP of $13 trillion more than 6 times of our GDP. So we can talk as much as we want but we have to accept this fact that we have to do lots of work to catch-up with China maybe for next 20 years.
China is such a great nation- but Mr Brar, chinese citizens don’t have the guts to say anything like this about their great nation in media. Indians can only downplay their beloved country in media. What we indians get by figuring the shortcomings of our country in media? Every country in this world has some or the other shortcomings but instead of showing this in media, keep it to urself. Our country has many good things also that u can say about.
The Rulers should also not wash dirty linen about previous regimes in foreign countries. Does any other Leader of a Country do it abroad..
So why Nehru and Krishna Menon were exposed when we ceded territory and lost the War by Politicians from Jan Sangh,Journalists like Kuldeep Nayar K R Mankekar Gen. Thorat etc. We are living in a Democracy where people are supreme should not we know our gains and losses strengths and weaknesses. You want to brush it under the carpet. Do you mean to say in these days of instant Satellite images the World will not come to know about these things.
Dear Indians
This guy is not telling the truth and is very misleading. Chinese PLA’s routine is from Finger 2 to Finger 6. At Finger 6, there’s a Chinese base for decades and no more base ahead. There’s also Chinese built road starting from Finger 4 to F8. At Finger 2, There’s an Indian base (Maybe they moved to F4 recently). Indian ITBP patrols from F1 to F4, butnever went beyond F4. Also Chinese Army only patrol between May and November because of climate. When Chinese Army start partroling in May, they are surprised to find out that Idian ITBP patrols on Chinese built roads between F4 to F6, which never happened before. Chinese army then start partroling to F2 as they used to causing this conflict. it’s redicious to ask China to fall back to April status as there was no patrol in April and Chinese army were only stationed in F6 at that time. So going back to April means to ask China to stay in F6. How come China accept this requirement??? By providing misleading information and raise up Indian patriotism is a political trick and is not helping.
Don’t ask me why I know this because this area on Chinese side is open to public and everybody knows if you’v been there.
Japan is Very good ally of India and also a enemy of China. Just go and check what Japan time says they told that China has moved into Indian territory and built new fortified posts in new territory. They were doing this planning from many months.
This is not about congress or BJP. It’s just that our current government is hiding few real facts of LAC because believe me anything is possible but satellite images never lie check out the latest images at google. As there were no tourists at Pangong lake this summer because of lockdown so without civilians it was easy for China to move forward with its plannings because otherwise India would have used shield of civilians at UN and other key points. So China just took advantage of that point and entered into our territory to mount pressure on India over various points. As China don’t want it’s manufacturing units shifting to India so China wanted to show the world that it’s more stable and stronger than India. China also wanted to stop US’s growing relations with India and they also wanted to stop our improving infrastructure along Ladakh and eastern India they can do so because you guys just go and check the difference between India army and China army. They have 4 times the budget of our Indian army. As Rafale fighters are on order the best we have are Su30 MKI. Have you seen real figures of Su30 it’s a fighter with low power engines and lots of problems with reliability not even 50% of them are available at any moment given, did you know titanium nozzles of this plane needed to be replaced after every 500 hrs plus China also have same Su30 fighters but they use them as secondary outdated fighters. Just check what China have, they have J20 a fighter of fifth generation with stealth technology. India can’t have 5th generation fighter for next 5-10 years. Do you know China even have train connectivity to this Ladakh region so they can move heavy artillery to this area within a short period of time. How far our large cities from LAC just few hundred K.m they don’t have any major city for around thousands of k.m from LAC. Our GDP is shrinking from last 1 year and theirs is growing. Look at the difference we have a GDP of $2 trillion and they have GDP of $13 trillion more than 6 times of our GDP. So we can talk as much as we want but we have to accept this fact that we have to do lots of work to catch-up with China maybe for next 20 years.
Dear Indian friends:
would like to point out some mistakes:
1. This guy is not telling the truth and is very misleading. Chinese PLA’s routine is from Finger 2 to Finger 6. At Finger 6, there’s a Chinese base for decades and no more base ahead. There’s also Chinese built road starting from Finger 4 to F8. At Finger 2, There’s an Indian base (Maybe they moved to F4 recently). Indian ITBP patrols from F1 to F4, butnever went beyond F4. Also Chinese Army only patrol between May and November because of climate. When Chinese Army start partroling in May, they are surprised to find out that Idian ITBP patrols on Chinese built roads between F4 to F6, which never happened before. Chinese army then start partroling to F2 as they used to causing this conflict. it’s redicious to ask China to fall back to April status as there was no patrol in April and Chinese army were only stationed in F6 at that time. So going back to April means to ask China to stay in F6. How come China accept this requirement??? By providing misleading information and raise up Indian patriotism is a political trick and is not helping. Don’t ask me why I know this because this area on Chinese side is open to public and everybody knows if you’ve been there.
2. China put very little military force in this border area. maybe only one tens of the Indian military. China’s most military is in the south and east coast because all invitations to China in history were from these sides. Frankly speaking, I don’t think China is preparing for a war with India. China improves its infrastructure in Tibetan’s remote area not because he is doing war preparation but because Tibet has become one of the poorest provinces in China. if you see the density of toll expressways (to each town) and high-speed railways (to each city) in east East Chinese provinces you will probably have an idea of what is the gap between them and Tibet.
3. China is having trade wars with the US and may prepare a war with Taiwan. Remember China has just recovered from the Wuhan virus. i don’t think China has the energy to revoke in the Indian border.
You’ve literally given no proof or even slight evidence to substantiate your claim while denying a guy who has shown satellite images for profs. Do you really expect anyone to believe you? CCP has been doing the same thing to Indonesia, Vietnam in south China sea, and to Japan in East, and now it thinks it can step up the heat in Indo-China border too. Hell, you’re imposing trade barriers on Australians just because they asked for an investigation. It’s visible to everyone who is the bully here. Go and feed this propoganda to the mainland Chinese and maybe before this century ends, they will forget about Tianmen Square, cause Hong Kong definitely won’t.
What is your name? Cling Clong? DEfinitely not Stewart! Or how do you get paid to write distorted version of China?
Modi is the worst prime minister India ever had or will ever have ,I think it’s time India should elect a Muslim prime minister as muslims or more than happy to die for something they love whereas modi and Amit shah love only money and power .the truth is we cant find Pakistan or China either as we are fighting with Congress and any one agamodi government. Today we lot to china and we are bending on our knees let’s not hide truth because modi government has no guts to fight china .
Did not expect from Print such an article. The headline says it all, as if ,we are happy as to what has happened, if at all true I have full faith in our army and the leadership and am sure our army will not take it low. The tone of the article is that everything was good till 2013 when this gentleman was perhaps in the office. Such article comming with such a headline from such a senior person is sad and not expected. If a new boss joins he finds every thing bad with his predecessor and converse by the one who has left the office.
General Panag a traitor and slave of Congress and China, here indirectly supporting his masters. A true communists can never support his county and that is what General Panag is doing here in this article. His whole family is AAP supporter, now you can understand clearly what is motto of behind writing this nonsense article. Indeed such kind of people should be kicked out from this nation
Oye bhakt why do you all thinks that people who like parties other than BJP are traitors??
Bhakt Bhakt! Tumhaare papa ko bhi bhakt he bulaate hoge?
Let us be very honest with ourselves and with Bharat Mata. Let us not run an Atma Nirbhar Bharata Campaign and ‘Boycott Chinese Campaign’ and at the same time keep giving contracts to the Chinese businesses. The entire ‘Boycott Chinese’ campaign can best be run by just focussing on the Politicians and bureaucrats, who are solely responsible for the inundation of India with Chinese products. Let us be honest and focus our campaign on the politicians and bureaucrats. Forget the lay people, they will buy only if you allow import. Tie the hands of the customs officials with strict oral orders and not those of the Army officers and soldiers in the border posts.
Our Army lives are being brutally snatched while we are playing ‘Trade’ and ‘Monopoly’ with the Chinese businesses. China and Pakistan are alike. Good we do not play cricket with Pakistan. Hypocrisy that our politicians and bureaucrats play ‘Trade’ and ‘Monopoly’ with China while they kill our soldiers treacherously based on negotiations by puppets of corrupt civilians. Let us stop fully protected dramatized visits of politicians and bureaucrats to the border posts. Let us send them unprotected. Let us also learn to honestly feed our Army well in the border areas with good food. Send the politicians and bureaucrats unprotected to the border before they sign contracts with Chinese companies.
How are we different from other political parties? I am sorry, I am a true patriot brought up in Military Environment and my blood boils at the loss of Indian Soldiers at borders. I do not want to gain anything from corrupt Politicians or Bureaucrats and so I am brutally honest.
So why Nehru and Krishna Menon were exposed when we ceded territory and lost the War by Politicians from Jan Sangh,Journalists like Kuldeep Nayar K R Mankekar Gen. Thorat etc. We are living in a Democracy where people are supreme should not we know our gains and losses strengths and weaknesses. You want to brush it under the carpet. Do you mean to say in these days of instant Satellite images the World will not come to know about these things.
As commented earlier by someone, we hope that we don’t have to see “Ek tha India” because of some traitors and useless scums who live on charities and are eating up , dividing and hell bent on breaking our great country internally. We have full faith in our leadeship and our Indian Army. Jai Hind. Vande Mataram, Jai Jawan. May India rise exponentially.
Over decades the Congress has created corruption as their agenda which resulted in Indian youth struggle for buying a 1 BHK flat as their ambition and they lost everything including patriotism in this hard-work. They are least bothered about what happens to our country as well . Some elder say British rule was better than our Independence. If China takes over land of India non is bothered except the son of the soil Hindus. Rest all are outsiders/ encroachers. illegal occupant equal to Chinese attackers.
Jai jawan . Jai Hind. Vande matram. Bharat Mata ki Jai.
Every Tom Dick Harry accuses Congress when their god father modi occupying pm post for six years and doing nothing except blunder..
I worked in armed forces for 15 years..patriotism and loyality is at best below the rank of brigadier only..after that all political appointment is made..his article is so prejudiced and one sided..as per his article ..Chinese side is all prepared..what about Indian side..are they sitting quietly and playing ludo..India lost only in 1962 because of Nehru and Krishna Menon…after that in every war ..India placed itself in upper hand position
Funny retired man is hired by communist party of India and Italian amma to glorifying China. Such persons live and take advantage in I dia and work for China and Pakistan.
Absolutely!! Hindus-tan is fed up of the congress party leading communist/naxal & Jihadi traitor forces!!
Funny retired man is hired by communist party of India and Italian amma to glorifying China. Truth is zero perc ent. Such persons live and take advantage in I dia and work for China and Pakistan.
The far more difficult operation for Indian army to maintain troops, supply lines & sending frequent patrol expeditions on the treacherous Karakoram mountain range & beyond than it is for the Chinese army that can advance from the Tibetan plains has conveniently been forgotten by the author.
He also conveniently omits any background information like why we face problematic border issues with China on two fronts (Ladakh & Arunachal Pradesh). If Nehru had negotiated border settlements with Chinese in the late 1950s (they had been very eager to do it then), we would have had no problem with borders in Arunachal Pradesh since then Chinese PM Zhou Enlai had already agreed to forfeit Arunachal in exchange for some territory in Aksai Chin & abide by the McMahon line. Even in Akasai Chin, the Chinese may have agreed to limit their claim till the Sinkiang-Lhasa road they had built in 1957.
But alas, chronic border issues with China have been added to the problems we face with Pakistan now, in addition to a Sino-Pak pact aimed against India. Every government in power will have to keep contending with “Himalayan blunders” created by Nehru!
Nehru shoud be stripped of the Bharat Ratna he conveniently gave himself!! This womanizer did not have any votes even from congress to lead India!! This British Mulla stooge was given undue importance & posts he least deserved!! He served the interests of Islamic Pakistan & created Chinese problems for India!!
It’s true. China has no interest in lands like Aksai Chin. I really don’t understand is why India took Tawang and surrounding areas. Tawang is the birthplace of Tibetan’s 6th Dalai Lama. I think Nehru accepted Dalai Lama and this was a really bad idea. Tawang has nothing to do with India. there’s no other reason India should keep it. China expressed its willing repeatedly that China is willing to exchange Akasi Chin with Tawang but being rejected several times. China even had no actions towards Indian eat Sikimm. taking territory from Brithish isn’t a good idea as British was very good at drawing lines on maps not on reality. I think Nehru was proud because Indian recovered Guoa not long time ago. So he thought by force could settle land problems with China. China showed enough kindness as after the war, China even fall back 20 km lost contact with indian army.
In a word, Nerhu created this Chinese problem to India and also created this Tawang problems to China.
Modi government is very good at hiding its failures. It successful in the past 6 years doing that. Modi’s 56 inch chest thumps only against small countries like Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan etc. But when it comes to China, he starts begging other countries like USA, Russia etc. China has occupied the Galwan valley and its nearby area. That is a fact. Modi can’t do anything now. Now he has to find new ways to hide his failure and once again fool the people of India. We the people of India deserve to suffer because we elected such a coward prime minister.
Modi is not coward. He is a true patriotic and will not allow Chinese aggression like they did it in 1962. Modi won’t allow India to succumb to Chinese tactics. You have no trust on Modi and our jawans, maybe you are a traitor or anti national or a communist sympathizer.
Ha!! Ha!! Are you not a communist stooge hiding behind the Vatican??!!
we must make u our prime minister,terrorist.
Our Modi Ji is the best prime minister ever we have . He will not leave even an inch of land to chinese. we have powerful military too. we are sure we will be victorious over them.
These are hollow emotions dear. I believe in print articles. China can destroy India with sway of wand. How many Indians use Chinese goods. Modi wants to do but can’t do anything
Such pathetic and fact less article…..
Afterall he is hired by Print… He has to please Italian grandmother also….
These Congressis and their Chamchas are digging thier own graves…
LOL..This so called general is a sold out NDTV & ISI Sleeper Cell operative along with Ajai Shukla..Both of them criticised Indian Army for its anti-terror operations in Kashmir & calling terrorists as “Civilians & innocent Son of retired teacher”..Rofl..The Pakistani Army “Green Book” & Magazine “Al-Hilal” clearly names this general as “true honest armyman”..lol..There are many Indian Army Generals who have clearly exposed the biased narrative of this ISI agent in disguise !!
When will we get rid of these China planted communists, western planted leftists & Jihadi traitors in Hindu-stan is the QUESTION!!
I am from Ladakh, Jammu and Kashmir. As I write this I’m reminded of just how lucky we got with US intervening in 1999 during Kargil War. Otherwise it would just have been part of Pakistan-controlled Kashmir. 21 years later, it seems we won’t be second time lucky. China has siezed 60 Sq. kms of land, even as the keyboard fighters in India push very hard the narrative suggesting “all is well.” This narrative is also being parroted by many media outlets at it suits very well to the government and the ruling party. They don’t even need to come forward to explain the situation or its response.
China is not Pakistan and India knows it very well. That’s why Indian government has reserved all the “surgical strike” rhetoric for Pakistan, and just to whip the passions of its electorate back home. When it comes to China, India, more particularly, the ruling BJP is a lame duck. They take refuge in dialogue and diplomacy.
To cut to the chase, India has lost a considerable part of its geography in Ladakh. All because of its poor decisions related to Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir last year and peddling of farcical “development” narrative.
Bla!! Bla!! CRAP!! Mulla Nehru & Congress traitor party is the reason for all troubles with evil Jihadis & China!!
Lol, first of all when u wrote kargil war was ended by USA, I recognized your hidden bias towards pakistan or failed terrorist country for that matter….And as long as concerns about China, well what will happen only time will tell
Frankly speaking as a Chinese I don’t think China would take your land and your people as its distinguished different from us. For Xinjiang it’s already a headache to China how come China willing to take a place with other ethnic groups speaking another language??????
Some people like u are terrorist and don’t want the welfare of india
We can’t be so ignorant, It’s not about Congress or BJP, but all about securing Indian borders, while current regime was busy murdering democracy, suppressing activist, opposition misusing all intelligence agencies resources China took advantage and occupied indian territories, in short government never focused on securing boarders….
Why does this general not prove his point that chinese are on top of finger 4 with satellite images.
Puppets of Congress have always a new story to come up with. Statements like Salman who is definitely not an Indian and Col Alok Astana who might have enjoyed the service is definitely not a patriot. Shame on you
When did you retire,And don’t give your opinion You are a political party worker AAP Delhi
see who is commenting so called army general, that shithead is khalistan sympathiser and wanted coup against Indian govt. Get a life !
But isnt it time that we also sometimes have “wrong perceptions” of LAC and we should also stray inside their side of LAC forcing talks like they do. Is it that our army does not have the courage or army has courage but is not sure of political backing or politicians have told army not to retaliate in similar fashion? Why this pussilanimity?
Shame on you general, India in land of warrior such as Major Chandpuri who decided to defend post against 2000 odd no. at longewala, in 1971. And you served Indian army in high ranks speaks like cowards !! Better die you shameless creature, No one could dare China what present India is doing , your favorite congress had put our nation into this difficult side today! It’s all their legacy.
Look this is an literate India , you few people cannot impose you bullshit thoughts on us, we have better judgement abilities, The print and it’s associate have set agenda to show country into bad light in every case, reason is very simple “no one bothers them” expect few frustrated pro-azadi gang. Shame on your journalism and ethics which are no use for our country.
And General once again “you are an total disgrace and disrepute to our country and army, shame on you”
It is time to declare war on china with 10 day notice to return back to 1960 border demarcation between India and China…. With The support of most powerful countries with India, now it is time to get Akshai Chin, POK and Gilgit area…. War declaration as early as possible to take advantage of situation….. First attack Pakistan and take over all POK and Akshai Chin….. China will bend for negotiation…. Take him back to pre 1960 border and also two km buffer from China area….
War is must do now…
CORRECT bro
What if you lost the war?
What if China loses the war? As a chinese you are always brainwashed by your communist party in to thinking that you have not taken others territory. Xinjiang and Tibet are not Chinese territory. And Ladakh, Gilgit also are not chinese territory. What makes you think that Chinese are an invincible people?
Where are those RSS goons or Bollywood heroes from proganda movies against Pakistan? It is time to send them to face Chinese Army. It does not help to just beat innocent people or doing action in a movie. It is now time to do some action otherwise year is 2022 and we will be watching movie called “Ek Tha India” 🙂
No tension.we shall hire pakistani terrorist
To those that say China is stronger and so we should ‘cut our losses’, what then if the Chinese come to your house next? I suppose you would prepare to pack your bags?
At what point do you say enough is enough? The whole world is sick of the chinese and fascists.
For God’s sake, grow a pair, grow a spine, and stand up.
Thank you sir HS Panag for briefing the current situation.
People abusing you in the comments are paid workers of the IT Cell, so don’t focus on 2rs per tweet paid workers, they are just trying to defend their fathers in govt.
We can just hope that whatever our government do tomorrow will be good for us!! India is already in so much chaos right now. These are some crazy times for the whole world. I don’t think anyone wants war. https://dailybugle.in/
realistic
The print you are nothing but a pathetic limpho antinational.. Shame on you.. Can you tell me for how many bucks you have sold your soul to china.. Your loyalties don’t lie with india it lies with the dragon…
Why truth gets painted se being anti national…….This article is written by a highly decorated army officer who had served in this region……Even he had become anti national for u?
Ha!! Ha!! You forget how Indians are bought like vegetables by foreign powers!! There is no nation on earth with as many Chinese planted communists, Jihadi & western planted leftists traitors!!
You couldn’t slander the author this time? Because he is ex-army and not a muslim???
Ha!! Ha!! We know the loyalty of Muslims!! All Muslim nations have even chosen to abandon Islam & Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang, China!! So they are not even faithful to their faith when it comes to their balls!!
Sir, the truth is like Modji,s 56″. Fake is like feku
Firstly we Indians never wake up unless and until someone comes and gives us 1962 or kargil….
We have this habit of getting caught off the guard….
When we started developing infrastructure in that area we should have well fortified these critical openings near LAC with China….. instead we who never learn anything from past experiences left it unguarded and hence today again in this catch 22 situation….
China simply preempted us…. now either fight this military mammoth or forget the territory….. utter failure of intelligence…..how many times we are going to repeat same and same mistake……
Another issue with us we are utterly lazy when it comes to signing defense deals on time….. so when such situation arises we are always like COUNTRY IS FEELING ABSENCE OF RAFALE…..why wasted so many years to procure in the first place???? By the time we get those weapons world already moves ahead with next generation technology…..
Why we could not procure Rafale is unfortunately we had a moron A.K.Anthony as defense minister.
In india we have ministers leave it to bureaucrats, and say we are following proper procedures.
He is more worried about his image and somebody makes some statement about corruption he will appoint committee.
Generally the minster should hold regular meetings and clear any blocks and push it fast.
He was more politician than person most ill suited to defense ministry.
An apolitical and non-judgmental view on this matter of “Chinese intrusion”
Any action is best defined by its intention. If authorities are withholding exact positions here, it is possible that this information has tactical / diplomatic ramifications, on which they are / have to act.
I fail to understand the intention of Veteran soldiers commenting in public on the actual possible ground situation(s) in the face of an enemy. How does that help the situation?
THAT is intriguing.
Well said sir!!
If the government and army are not being honest about the situation – by claiming that the current problem is merely about differing perceptions about the LAC when in fact the LAC was quite clear and the Chinese have violated it – then it is the duty of those in the know to call it out. Gen. Panag has done the right thing. It’s a very informative article and he’s absolutely right in his conclusion about what needs to be done. Our army and government must not be allowed to sweep this under the carpet. Give the Chinese an inch and they will take a mile.
Hi Ajay,
Thanks for the response.
I am a bit perplexed at your conclusion that the Army / Government is not doing anything!
Let us assume that the enemy has come into our territory. Trumpeting that publicly does not help strategically / tactically / diplomatically. On the other hand it may inhibit our response. This is NOT a cricket match for a ball by ball commentary to be broadcast to the public.
In these matters whipping up public sentiments also does not help.
Very simple to understand if someone wants to,,,, why China should shout that China has occupied indian territory,,,,, IF YOU listen to Chinese media believe me there is no mention of India in their news ,,,,why they should cry,,,,, we have lost our territory that’s why we are crying,,,, the fact is that our army and police can only fight with the people without weapons,,,,, And the government is sucking our blood to Feed this Army,,,,,when the time comes Army cannot do anything,,,,,, Shame shame shame on this ANIMAL GOVERNMENT. AND they’re changing the reality,,,,, if China did not take your land,,,,then what you want to talk with China,,,,stop fooling,,, actually this government is fooling the country because of Fools (Bhagats) ,,, If you criticise this government you are Anti National (Desh Drohi) ,,,,,, In fact Actually this government is the real Desh Drohi,,,,,,,
Your name matches well with your comment. Right on the expected line.
Yeah u are right bro
Shahabul Islam: You are a LIAR Pakistani which sold Islam & even their own Muslims to China!!
Even we have a doubt who are indian , where is india whatever we have passed long 80 years. We had forgot about kashmir, LOC line of control not actual border..anyone can come in india under the border tanel and in future able elected prime minister. Atleast on 2020 we able to find who are indians and where is india. 80 long years we pass yet ..we finding who we are!!
1947 we got our country , 1962 we lost part of country , 1967 we fought again .. since 2014 … still we dont know what is actual indian border .. LOC .. line of actual control but it is not indian border.. you cant say tibbat is ours even political forgotten kashmir is ours .. even we did not know who are indian and where is india ?
Lol
. But this time we know who are indian and definitely we able to know where is india… not LOC .. Indian border.
A tiny nation like Vietnam have taught a lesson to a super power like China
Lt Gen HS Panag (Retd) claims at initial para of the Article that China has acquired 40-50 Km at 3-4 strategic height. PLA,is now in Position of strength in bargaining. If Diplomacy fails, PLA has come prepared for border skirmishes or Limited War. Our retired Hero Lt Gen Panag does not say a word about what Indian Army is doing now? If Chinese PLA is well prepared for a Limited War or Border skirmishes, what his Indian Army is doing? Only our former Hero Lt Gen Panag( who is sitting in his house enjoying hefty army pension) knows what Chinese are doing & Indian Army does not know what our retired Hero knows. ?Lt Gen Panag think Indian Army is Just eating Nut seeds & drinking army drinks at Borders and not prepared for Limited War? Our retired Hero Mr Panag was a senior Rank Army man & was part of higher level management of Army which has been using compromising strategy with China since 1962 & now he is retired, claims as if compromising Policy with China happening after his retirement. If limited war occurs, our retired Hero Lt. Gen HS Parag must be re-called for war duty,by giving one notch higher rank & send him to war front to fight PLA army. It is easy to talk sitting in home with peg of Army whisky in hand commenting on behalf of some vested interest. People are not pools to believe what ever our retired Hero says.
Perfect reply!
Modi will quietly negotiate with the Chinese and grant them the concessions that they demand, in order to get them to withdraw from our side of the LAC. Having gotten what they wanted, the Chinese will be happy to keep quiet and wink and nod while the loudmouthed BJP ministers tom-tom India’s “great victory” under Modi’s “strong leadership”. For Modi and the BJP, only headline management matters, not the truth.
Don’t forget that china lost the battle from Vietnam. Such a small country then also. India lost the battle due to UPI government.
Today Indian military is much powerful to tackle with China.
Your rank and post give you authority to say things on China India border but pessimistic pictures drawn by you is very disheartening. Govt doing to bloster infrastructure at Loc it is what Chinese trying to stop. Chinese took lot of land by slami slice tactics before and gone uncontested they are now being contested different of perception of lAC apply for both it is time buying tactics We have to create enough capabilities to deter them. They win battle not by actual but by pschydological one Getting intimidated by Thier capabilities is also one that you talked here. Actual battle outcome not necessarily will go in favour of them nothing permanent on earth not even Loc and LAC we have to think in long term and create capacity accordingly. Print more often appears as branch of Global times
Where is chappan inch chati now ?
56 inch was a typo, somebody missed a decimal point.
You got china fund to run your print media ,you are using wrong language which I can say instigating us against you.
How for this is true required to be verified, as fake facts can affect moral of forces and unrest in public by large. News for the sake of news can cause irrepairable loss to esteem of indians
The writer has presented facts and data that are open to counter but it looks like many have nothing but schoolground insults instead of solid counters. Subjective you say? Well, if that is so the pre-1962 situation that the writer speaks of is easily countered. Where are these factual rebuffs? The fact is that the nationalism rife in India today is so fragile that many would rather construct a grand delusion when reality is unpalatable. Nationalism my ass! If one truly loves one’s nation then there is no alternative to clear sighted pragmatisn and determination.
China is just “salami slicing” Indian territory as pointed out by an American expert. And we are in denial mode.
Let us unite and support Modi, whatever the consequences.
Respected Panag sir you should share this articles with PMO n Defence Ministry i am sure they will reward you accordingly,great job sir pls keep it up.Best rgds/Common Citizen
The Print operates from India, but not for India. Media thugs like The Print is the reason this nation couldn’t come together as one.
The Print/Quint etc. & such media operate from Jihadi lands, China or the west!! This is India, the land of the maximum traitors any nation has on the globe!!
When India clashes with Pakistan
Bhakts : War with Pakistan!
When clashes with China
Bhakts : Uninstall China apps!
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Mansoor shah: When In India, Allah bhakts cry Islam! When In Pakistan, they sell Islam to China!!
If there’s a terrorist hiding in a house at Kashmir the army blows the house to pieces,
But I guess the case is quite different in this case.
No bang bang this time,
Only blah blah this time ok.
India should initiate a surprise and a major all-out two-front war in the very near future with whatever resources it has. Arrogant China thinks that the rest of the world is weak and distracted and is therefore using this opportunity to expand its influence and territory. India should scuttle China’s plans by giving China a bloody nose with everything India has got. Whether India wins or loses, devastate China to the greatest extent. Yes, China’s economy has become five times bigger than India’s, but that also means that China has a lot more to lose than India. For every $1 that India will lose, China will lose 5$. The devastation for China will be much more when USA, Taiwan, Japan, and others join the war. After seeing India’s bravery, when these other anti-China countries join in, then for every $1 that India will lose, China will lose $100. ….
Unless we see the maps that both the sides have how will we know if the general is right or not?
This article is bad in taste , completely based on conjectures and surmises. He may have spent 40 years in Army, yet not learnt the lesson that to sin over an adverse situation, you need to motivate soldiers and people. How does this article help any Indian ? I can tell many points that clearly shows it helps Chinese.
For example, the headline itself gives an impression that China has won a War already ! (And The writer is so happy…..!)
One of the biggest weapon in a War is the Propaganda by respective countries. I feel this article will help China in their Propaganda. against India
At the time of crisis, one needs to help the PM who has the responsibility to protect the country you live in. In the name of Journalism, you do not forsake all your duty towards Country.
The biggest joke is ,the writer has written article based on his dreams and presented pictures as if CIA reports to him and provide all satellite photo exclusive to him.
He being in Army for so long, should remember ,that before actual war happens, psychological battle takes place.This article by Mr Penag ( I deliberately removed Lt Gen) is writing clearly in favour of Chinese in psychological battle.
For these reason, I do not support even ThePrint..Because it looks like the Editorial team is deliverately blind to their duty in the name of journalism.
This article is bad in taste , completely based on conjectures and surmises. He may have spent 40 years in Army, yet not learnt the lesson that to sin over an adverse situation, you need to motivate soldiers and people. How does this article help any Indian ? I can tell many points that clearly shows it helps Chinese.
For example, the headline itself gives an impression that China has won a War already ! (And The writer is so happy…..!)
One of the biggest weapon in a War is the Propaganda by respective countries. I feel this article will help China in their Propaganda. against India
At the time of crisis, one needs to help the PM who has the responsibility to protect the country you live in. In the name of Journalism, you do not forsake all your duty towards Country.
The biggest joke is ,the writer has written article based on his dreams and presented pictures as if CIA reports to him and provide all satellite photo exclusive to him.
He being in Army for so long, should remember ,that before actual war happens, psychological battle takes place.This article by Mr Penag ( I deliberately removed Lt Gen) is writing clearly in favour of Chinese in psychological battle.
For these reason, I do not support even ThePrint..Because it looks like the Editorial team is deliverately blind to their duty in the name of journalism.
You are absolutely correct!! The Print, Quint.. /communist/leftist western planted Indian media along with their bought out communist/Jihadi stooges are the first dangers this nation has to tackle before it can take on any external enemies!!
If this is true than what are doing our so called ‘chowkidar’ in diplomacy
I have generally been a support of Modi’s policies. But, it would be too dangerous and disastrous for his government to hide the facts from the public and parliament and play along with Chinese with the hope that they will disappear. Nehru made this mistake, and India is still rankled by that humiliating defeat. I hope Modi government does not perpetuate same error by defending Chinese action or denying their action in the public.
Same author has no article on pok. That was occupied, may be when the author was in duty. It’s easy to blame a new person for a problem created from history. What was the author doing when he was in duty. Useless governments in the past gave away large tracts of land to China and Pakistan.
And also the insulting title by the author does not go well for the position he held.
This UT is belongs to India officially. The neighbour thieves unnecessarily occupied due to their greedy. Like under the name of pattibiraman said. Dai mutta pundai poi nemla pesuranane. Unga ama kuda china varan vandhu paduthal ena panuva.
Be careful of the comments you post, Keep them soft and sweet, you nevertheless know which ones you will have to eat
Writer supported coup if modi re elected in 2019. There is deep sense of alienation towards bharat inside this man. He must do something constructive for his community. He can help lot of reforms in his community. There are two gurudwaras,two cremation grounds and two dharmshala in sikh community one for jat sikhs and one for dalits . Sikh guru preached against castes . Lt. Gen should follow gursikh maryada and give up his surname (panag) of jat sikh to become a true gursikh.
In addition to the rank of Lt. General (Retd) and Member of Armed Forces Tribunal why is it not mentioned that the author is also a member of Aam Aadmi Party since 2014? At least it will provide a background of the author’s perspective, prejudices and compulsions. And just out of curiosity what representation has Lt. Gen. Panag made to the army or government on how not to let China get away with this…as he so eloquently put it? What happened to the credo of “once an army man always an army man”?
Writer seems to be more biased and intimidated from Chinese army and system. This is true that China is stronger than India and is naferious country but India must exert pressure and advocate strongly for status co as it was two or three months before.
Must remember China aslo need and depend on Indian market and business, it’s unfortunate that our own industrialists and entrepreneurs don’t take initiative and bold decision for strong industrial scenario in India ,they are more interested in Govt subsidy and loan that they don’t want to return.
No idea people like you exist from where ?
This news and also the wire always published the article those against the govt or against the national interest. ❓backed by anti Indian or pak or Congress. ? About india china I saw daily there news too but not like these fingers….
Nation become by people not by land so dear Chinese and Indian don’t try to make you fool. There is nothing to achieve. We can make world happier with be together. Don’t be a witness of fool who still trying to fight for land.
Cheer
ofcourse political leadership’s have everything to be done for the nation. But what about those officers who is drawing hafty pakage for defending the border .To save themselves deny the actual position .The officer who is responsible for maintaining sanctity of lac should be thrown out ofthe force immediately.
All give there opinions without having witnessed what actually has happened. Nobody knows clearly whether chinese troops have acquired our land or not. Our opinion is as per our love for the bjp govt which is actually the reason for slow growth of our country. Its the time to stand above our personal preference and give our true opinion.
Certaim Lt Gen are over active and judge themself as final supreme judge. USA was badly beaten in Viatnam and Korea, Prathavi Raj Chauhan bashed up Md Gauri mant times, Ram killed Rawan much powerful in strength, Israel won 6 day war. Germany won many wars from 1939 to 42. Then Germany faught mighty armies of many
Countries from 1942 to 45.
Wait for final results. This Gen has already surrendered even before start of negotiation.
Kindly teach him war philosophy of Vidhure, Chanakya, Bhisma pitamah, Guru Govindji Maharaj and Arjun Devji.
Sikhs never ever planned to surrender. Its not in their blood.
No credibility to the article
Pls don’t share unauthentic comments If that is true news it would have been accross world . And opponent political parties would have started to blame ?
“It is well said that Rome was burning and Nero was fiddling.” Before raising a finger against a warrior who served Bharat Mata for 40 yrs. The Andh Bhagats should be ashamed of at their act. Some pseudo desh bhakats, by their Man Ki Baat are befooling the whole nation, with out listening to the concerns of real desh bhakats. Salute to the great soldier of Bharat Mata.
The author fails to mention that the current situation is fallout of issuance of official map by Indian Govt showing disputed areas (Aksai Chin) as part of India, contrary to agreements with China to freeze the dispute and resolve through negotiations.
Probably true, the writer being a senior army officer (retd) must’ve posted from his genuine source of info. If true, why then the govt is disgustingly hiding truth? Why forces were not launched offensive at the outset to vacate our areas from Chinese instead of playing perception politics on the issue?
If Chinese have crossed LAC, we can do the same and encircle the intrusion points.
People have right to know the truth.
The print, seems llike or this article is totally funded and biased on the Chinese side. No proofs only assumptions. Please stop fake propaganda at least this time. This is about the country, the national security. Keep your hatred aside When it comes regarding the country.
Seems like the print is funded by chinese govt. Totally hypothetical article.
The author is absolutely correct. The Indian Army did not dominate. own territory and left it unguarded. The Chinese have occupied it a la Pak in Kargil in 1999. We got rid of Pak occupation due to the valour of our young officers and men. Will the political leadership and the Armed Forces have the courage to throw the Chinese out by force? Let us wait and see.
Don’t criticize now, try to get a solution.
Criticism is not patriotism !
Don’t try to be Vijay Mallya,& so called…..
The author is absolutely correct. The Indian Army was not alert and had not dominated own territory. The Chinese came and occupied the territory just as the Pakis did in 1999. We got the Pakisout, let us see if the Indian Army can get the Chinese out. Difficult!
Denial! Really! If our founders were so strong, the would not had given or own land to make other countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh and all.
And one more thing, Army persons are brave, few less hearted views can’t be a perception of all group or country, rather this is kind of deception of people who are not satisfied even in his life! Every Government of India did their best to put India in adverse situation, and if some person has doubt, they may come into politics and prove themselves, not to show random graphics and fake data to unrest the country. You guys are getting watched, it now or there, we will be punished.
Unless there is an official statement from either country comes up, anyone’s posts regarding this including u sir has no credibility!
#DeshdhroiPrint Paid articles Under congress , Support Anti national activities and much more you should be banned .
Guess when it comes to toeing a political line, the respect for the uniform you once donned gets thrown out of the window.This man hs panag had openly endorsed a military coup if Narendra modi came to power in 2019.
No surprise he doesn’t have slightest bit of hesitation in writing bullshit about forces he once served. He is just another namazi chamcha of khangress. No need to even consider whatever he says. All he is saying is just what khangress wants you to believe to serve just one purpose __ showing current government in bad light at whatever cost.
You can compare China with a narcissist. They will never change. They will never resolve the matter.. More you try to please them more agrieved they will pretend.
Going no contact is the solution.
India should get prepared to defend and also attack if required. There are so many solution to Chinese problem.
1- Rake up and oppose China on matters relating to Tibet, Taiwan, Hongkong, Uigher Muslim, Corona spread,
2- Enter into an alliance with all willing China neighboring countries to defend unitedly intrusion of any territory of the member country,by China.
3 Active public participation to boycott all Chinese goods and services.
4- oppose China at world forums.
US will not allow china to grab indian territory.i am sure.
What is the authenticity of this article.looks like authentic from your heart. Please show
When I read the title I thought it was another vicious propagandist of print. But then I read the name of author. Still, even if they have intruded inside this “finger under boot” language is not expected from atleast a retired army officer . Worst of all this author no proof to show for his claims. He just writes “likely under Chinese control”.i don’t get it . I mean I understand print’s intentions very well but still it’s very shameful on the part of an retired army veteran to write such articles with equally brazen title without having any solid proof to show for his claims validation.
We are Confident of our Ethical standards and Truth.ultimately we will get what is ours
This is a very disturbing development and to say the least, shoddy response from the Indian Government. Rather than reclaiming and defending our territory denying that it is not exactly ours and deliberately being ambiguous will only embolden China.
Thank you for such an analytical, clearly expressed write up that apprised us, citizens and commoners about the exact ground reality. We need to apply pressure on the Government to ensure we push back this infiltration. Dealing with a pandemic cannot be an excuse to lose land!
It is tragic that a Lieutenant General uses words like “India’s fingers under Chinese boots” while I do not debate his views, I do take umbrage at his choice of words for creating cheap sensationalism. Not expected from you Sir. You used to be inspirational.
Lies & lies all around, and the way of using words to describe scenario defines either you are incompetent in posting unbiased news or it would be your dearness & fear for China. Both the ways you’re an incapable as a writer. And for your information if china was so deliberate & strong, why didn’t it stimulated in the first stance itself. Well, china maybe more technically advanced & more stable but, when it comes to go for a war & with too a country like India, Japan or any western developed countries, China’s real potential comes into spotlight. China’s is potentially unstable & it’s own countrymen has no faith in its government. So, both neighbours that’s China and India can’t afford a war in this pandemic crisis & when it comes to war the latter one won’t shy away from going for it. So, only option left is diplomatic channels & that’s what both countries are looking for. From next time, I hope you go through all the news all around globe & then dont write something peculiar & false.
Wah The Print
I just dont beleieve anything that The Print and its paid anti Indian jurnos propagate
First thing is why they have become aggressive at this time, they will capture the land stay for a while and go back, don’t panic they want Indian market which gives them money to buy more lands , they will not mess up with India to the extent of loosing Indian market,
This article is fused with highly misleading and crippling perspective of the efforts put forth by Indian bravehearts at border. The heading is clickbait. Poor journalism. It always feels that The Print is fed a stockpile of greens to run their show against the country or the ruling party sentiments.
All Indians except for bhakts know that we have lost a lot of territory to China. China knows that this is the best time to take advantage: when there is aan Indian government that addicted to PR that it cannot admit the truth. China wants land and will keep taking it because it knows that the Indian government cannot even admit leave alone act.
The print is always against indiA for sure n doing western work in india n publish nonsense n anti news n all know it’s
The Congress print n not thr print
The beautiful country has troubles with Pakistan and China and recently with nepal. 1947 itself India got a permanent life long enimy as Pakistan. Every year this is becoming a problem near our shoulder.
Unfortunately a Business country like China wants to establish its business all over the world . It finds India a great threat to its dreams. Small land like this dispute is only a reason for it to create tension.
China with its Communist attitude will create a hevoc in coming days. India is having lot of political parties and their differences of opinion will be another issue. For each and every thing they will confuse our citizens becuase of their vested interests.
It is really sensitive issue and we have a stabilised government may take suitable steps.
You are boot lickers…
I will believe in the military and Government rather than believing your “story”..
ok Chinese are in Indian finger, but that is not going to solve the Print’s desire, i e. Modi to resign. BJP to be defeated.
Hey Shekhar,
Please let us have an article on ‘How to Raise Funds from Abroad for Crusades?’ Thank you.
How to believe this retired General ? Has he given any proof to justify his article ?
56inch chest can’t work here it needs ripe wisdom not raw.
Stop try strategic defence expert on google map. What is your experience in field and have you been in LAC area. You are acting on the behest of PLA…
stop posting anti nation misinformation.
Salute the writer for informing the citizens the real picture on the Indo_Chin border. But the bhaktas will talk about the failure of Nehru. Even they will question the credibility of the writer, though he is a retired army man of high calibre and occupied high post in military
70 years ailment cannot be cured within 5 – 10 years.
It will take at least 15 years, that too with concerted efforts &bitter pills financially/politically/militarilly/diplomacy/internal peace/traitor-free nation.
Its becoming increasingly clear that China has intruded the accepted LAC and occupied heights/areas to
either physically deny us the area or to dominate us making our stay there untenable tactically.
In this I tend to agree with Dr Ashley Tellis where he says that the only way India can hold China shirt of a war, is to do a tit for tat in areas where India has the tactical advantage..and be prepared for the fall out of the action
Print what proff you have that India has lost its land.
Is this author foreign agent?this person does not have confidence ain the govt and security forces like otherantunationals ,specially,cingresss
This situation is not developed in one day or a year. The author was Northern Army Commander in his time and as such should be answering some tough questions before he can ask any.
One can’t share everything with public in operations because the exposure of bare facts can be detrimental to achieving the goal.
First the cards dealt have to be played.
It is best to be left to the professionals currently dealing with the issue full-time.
One may also ask what is the source and authenticity of his information.
The Wire and Print etc are clearly politically motivated media. If Gen Panag had something concrete to offer he should let the authorities know directly and not publish vitriolic diatribe in public.
This is a type of political Yellow Journalism!
I have never heard anything good about the current government from your editors’ mouths.
You are lying and with such favourable nature that you are showing towards china seems like that you are supporting china.why you always print fake news which always keeps Indians moral down.are you really dumb? without Knowing the facts you are promoting all the non sense things.get some brain and then print anything.
kahan gayi BJP waalon ki laal aankh, aankhen laal karne ki baatein kar rahein Thea…abhi toh muh laal hua hai, aagey pata nahi Kya Kya laal honga
Don’t worry… … I shall with God Shiva’s blessings and support will regain all lost territories within a decade….
what is the heading you put.. Sense less journalists..
Apart from the ladakh confrontation, it is the right time to ask GEn Rawat what permanent gains did he acquire from the DOklam action. When we with- drew from DOklam ( Bhutanese territory) , did CHina agree not to extend their roads ? This does not seem to be the case , since imagery shows that they re continuing their activity in Doklam. So, was that just a photo op and is the current action a payback for DOklam , by China ?
Govt must clarify what was gained in DOklam, apart from dealing withe the current situation.
Are you anti India and humanity?
Our government becomes like a jokes. Cant stand anywhere. We are deteriorating day by day. One day china will rule us. We are just lipsync only.
The Print-Name is enough ?
Indian Troops must be kept maintained at the current location and not back down. if backed down under mutual understanding, china will further encroach seeing ni troops there.
China had an upper hand all through from Nehru and Gandhi family. Why blame modi? At least modi is trying to increase infra structure – roads, bridges, airstrips – in the border areas to save what we have. Do not imagine you can fight China with 1945 guns like Nehru.
ACCEPTING CHINA SUPREMACY WITH OLIVEBRANCH IS A MATTER OF HUMILITY AND INDIA RETALIATION IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME SINCE CHINA IS FACING WRATH OF WORLD IN VIEW OF COVID 19 WHICH ORIGINATED FROM WUAN CHINA
how much did the chinese pay you?
If situation warrants, India should not hesitate to go to give a Nuclear touch to brother Chinato stop it’s folly.
Hindi translation is not good.
You have proved beyond doubt that your leftist sycophancy by the editorial of the article ,let me inform the likes like you are under our boots
Some insights but the intent of the writer is not helping…he’s more about proving he is always right and knowledgeable and maybe would’ve been a better negotiator in this deal, makes me laugh anyway it’s a free country ain’t it. One thing the writer needs to know it that this govt is taking some firm decisions and forming boundaries whether inside or at borders. Unlike the previous govt which gave a perception of India being a helpless poor country.
Chinese a..s piece communist, anti national media “The Print” speaks. LoL…
Where is quint, busy in fabricating story with RNDTV …..
Chinese a..s piece communist, anti national media “The Print” speaks. LoL…
Where is quint, busy in fabricating story …..
There are many people who are with anti national forces working within India including few Army Officials. We don’t subscribe that India has lost some areas. War is not the final solution. People of India are determined to support their Government and Army. Chinese people have lost their international reputation and going to get a good rebuff.
On one side every one is saying that INDIAN ARMY IS DOING A FINE JOB AND DEVELOPED INFEASTRUCTURE TO REACH BIRDERS MUCH FASTER THAN AT ANY TIME DURING THE LAST SEVENTY YEARS. PROBABLY PRESENT PM IS NOT FRON THE NEHRU FAMILY SOME OEOPLE ARE PERTURBED AND SPREADING SOME DEMORALISING THE FORCES. APPEARS TO BE IN ROLLS OF CP.
The foundation for India surrendering To China was laid by our late PM , Jawahar Lal Nehru. In 1950’s when one of the five seats in the UN Security Council was vacated after the Member Republic of China (now relocated to the Present Taiwan) became the People’s Republic of China ( now the present China) the then US President, Eisen Hover offered seat to India. But the great man recommended the seat for the new China and China very gladly became a member of the UN Security Council. It emboldened China to swallow Tibet and then expand into Indian territories. And the the expansionism continues. The same China today stands against India becoming a Member of the UN Security Council.
At least Modi has the guts to oppose. But what to do ?China is mightier militarily. And it’s leaders have always been warmongering and wanting to attach areas of other Nations. Unless the US comes openly to India’ S aid, containing China will be almost impossible.
How do you know that they acquire 40-50 sq km? Can you share some facts? I agree from the long time Chinese using this strategy and acquiring our land. It is not something they did now. But ofcourse we need to take action in order to avoid these situation further. Surely we will loose our land if we did not respond in the way Chinese will understand.
#fakenews what else you can do…
It is high time that chinks hv to be shown places..better to ally with all like minded countries including Russia and be firm in taking back all areas where we hv jointly agreed.else creeping and occupying will continue to ou detriment
Just check other post from writer LT GEN H S PANAG (RETD) one gets to know biased nature.
If india is really in Denial and this report is accurate is a bloddy modern day loss and shame. We should by same strategy., Enter into areas where we can cut them off and capture back out areas. Also, we should not hesitate to put our soldiers on same peaks as well. Also, we should ready battalions of Brahmos and Agnis and advances fighter jets to shoot at once at multiple locations across the LAC and push them back to Tibet. And capture our own land back. We should also consider American defense radar installation in Andaman island if possible.
idiotic and insulting way of writing about india, chinese boot and india finger…shame on you….shame on print..
Sir, I think you leave us with bo reason to believe you either. The only people who know the facts are the ones on the LAC. So neither you sitting in your house and analyzing the satellite images which by the way have been done by many other analysts, can tell us that the Chinese have occupied our territory. I just hope its not one of your ill targeted jibe at the present dispensation coz i think all of us who follow some politics are aware about your political stand vis-a-vis this govt. You like many others have spread some of your propaganda to show the govt in a bad light. So i don’t think you present a factual picture of what is happening in Ladakh at all. And i think we should believe our Army in this case.
आज चीन के साथ सारे मुसिबतों के जड़ में नेहरू है❗ इसने नोवेल शांति पुरष्कार के लालच में चीन से नरमी दिखाता रहा और उधर चीन हमसे दुश्मनी करता रहा जो आज भी कर रहा है❗
नेहरू को तब हर्टएटक हुआ जब उसने देखा नोवेल शांति पुरष्कार जर्मनी के उईली ब्रांट को मिल गया था❗
Sir.. I think you leave us with bo reason to believe you either. The only people who know the facts are the ones on the LAC. So neither you sitting in your house and analyzing the satellite images which by the way have been done by many other analysts, can tell us that the Chinese have occupied our territory. I just hope its not one of your ill targeted jibe at the present dispensation coz i think all of us who follow some politics are aware about your political stand vis-a-vis this govt. You like many others have spread some of your propaganda to show the govt in a bad light. So i don’t think you present a factual picture of what is happening in Ladakh at all. And i think we should believe our Army in this case.
You look like somebody who is not aware of whats going on in Ladakh, last I heard the Chinese troops had gone back by 2 km. They did not attack early and have lost the initiative now. China is having a hard time saving face. Ajsksksksmmamamsma jakkakalalalalaajjhs
Abe u anti BJP….china and Pakistan me jage rho…
Every thing is either as per your assessment or as per media reports.
Kindly stop fooling around.
You haven’t provided any concrete evidence. Did not even cite the authentic sources.
Stop bluffing.
So we lost territory… We are weak … We are cowards.. We don’t work the way China does… Why ? We are corrupt to the core.. Our leaders are corrupt..
Dear fake news spreaders,
Hope you are not doing well.
I can help you see your vision of writing…..!!! Do one thing good in you misleading, miserable, meaning less life and that is, start writing D graded fiction books for filthy readers…. Who would actually enjoy you clueless, hopeless, relentless misguiding news writing.
You guys can do it in your filthy fake universe. Have faith in yourself.
Disregards,
Mindful Readers.
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Fake news factory is print..group of liers and enimies of india. And some antinationals are a part of this basturd print media
Agreed with the analysis.
Right now the Modi government is locked in a corner though (one of its own making but nevertheless a corner). A show of force might not go well for India. Modi government can’t lose face within the country (they aren’t as honest or ethical as the Congress of 1960s Nehru) by admitting lost ground.
Is there a practical solution to the issue is the question.
For once Modi government can’t get away with taking a stupid “decisive” decision that does more harm than good and still gains public support like demonetisation, senseless lockdowns, gst and the likes.
your whole news shows how you hate modi gvnt, instead of modi modi modi, you would have said only government..but anyway tum saalo ka kaam hai modi gvnt ke baare hate bolna n dusro ki chattana…
fyi I m not a bhakt
The west need to sell their weopons so they applied technique of boosting Immature Indian politucian and we were in hurry to become avtar among bhkts
We should not depend upon west to solve our problems as we have to fight on ground and they have tosell the weapons
Ha ha ha most funniest article.
Truth = 0%
Stupidity = 100%
Do some real journalism
This biased gen didn’t tell what we shd do
Very good.
I can not imagine Indian Godi media is completely quiet and embarrassed about China usurping Indian land and India denying about it to it’s ppl is a matter of extreme shame. Is this the 56″ BJP is talking about ?
The name of this portal is enough to clearly , which side the article will portray.
Is it not possible , that BJP does something good , and such a long article published mentioning that.
And when public says that NDTV , The Print like platform are anti national.
One doesn’t like it.
Since the author has dissected and predicted the standoff in that fashion which makes him look in true “The print” style that he is right.
Would he mind reading my palm for me? Predicting my future?
I got some friends too, who would like their predictions done?
Let’s do it! What say?
Why author is spreading wrong news?
Sir, i want to agree with your views of Chinese encroachment, but in the same Pirnt i also read Abhijit Iyer Mitra’s report also. Why don’t you two come together with a clear and plausible conclusion for us viewers. We are in dilema as a reader.
China and Congress diplomacy is always leaving leverage to China in the past. Modi is friendly with Zinping and for purely business ! Modi will never ever budge for territory advantage by any neighbour inclusive of China, Pakistan and Nepal. Congress only left Katcha theev ( island ) to Srilankan !!
The diplomatic policy was always losing for India !!
Even war comes, China will be the biggest loser interms money and diplomacy !!
If India is not there Chonese economy will be utter failure, there will be a big revolution will erupt in China and Chinese military has to kill millions of people !!
Either China wants few kilometers of Indian barren land or India’s trillion dollar business and biggest business and cultural friendship !!
If Chinese diplomacy wins, it is great for them only, India may not gain anything more than unusable barren rocket land !!
Even war comes, it is better for India, to develop on it’s own business and establish big business with all countries other than China and Pakistan and few others.
Is anyone read your articles. On paper like the mint, mirror , opinion etc go on writing just rubbish.
All i can read is PROPAGANDA.
Lt Gen Pang , the situation on the ground has been well reported that fingers under Indian control have been occupied by Chinese, there is no need to make a political point. What is needed is your view on what can be done! any military person will give you ground realities…all most all experts have given very accurate ground position. Did you face such situation? if so how did you deal with it?
We all know that border infrastructure is only for the past 6 years have been given priority,military equipment being upgraded, so on and so forth…its natural that China in its interest has reacted, so is our response, if you defer ,what is your suggestion that’s more important than blaming few journalists for reporting as per your view differently .
I personally know few of the past BRO chief’s, they have clearly stated that nothing was happening until last 6 years on infrastructure………therefore, incursions then were never reported as no one actually had access…..except frequent patrols….
Please use forums to suggest possible actions, no one needs one more person to tell the ground position, in today’s time nothing remains hidden. I have served the same armed forces you have served, it will not keep quiet ,but will fight with its might to protect the country’s interests.
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“….Major Shaitan Singh, PVC and Major (later Lt Col) Dhan Singh Thapa, PVC who defended Rezang La and Sirijap in 1962 and 3,000 of our soldiers who were killed in action would be very unhappy in Valhalla….”?
Surely the good Lt. General means “Nirvana” instead of “Valhalla”? Valhalla is the ancient Norse heaven.
Besides that minor point, the article is good on details and quite fair with the main points which is that the Chinese have probably asserted a more aggressive stance on where they perceive the LAC to be in light of their worry that the Indian side are building a road that they perceive to threatens their interest.
Might I also add that maybe this is, perhaps as a secondary Chinese motive, a delayed payback by the Chinese for when in 2017 they were in Doklam building a road in a disputed border area with Bhutan, the Indians uninvitedly moved in to challenge the Chinese? That the Chinese have put the Indians on notice that they can also do unexpected manoeuvres at the top of the world and with the same reasoning as the Indians gave in 2017?
I expect the resolution of the current difficulties will involve compromises on both sides.
You are very very stupid.who chosen you to become journalist
He has served 40 yrs in Army so salute to him. But i have one complaint with all high ranking officials, Army officers , bueurocrats and judges , till d time they serve , they don’t even whimper and once they retire , they got all the gyan for others. One simple question to Lt. General.. when u were GOC north , why didnot u ensure exchange of maps ?? Suddenly that become no. 1 priority why ?? Because even he knows that’s the bone of contention between India and China. China just don’t want to settle the boarder issue. Once u exchanged the maps u recognise the boarder. So something which u could’nt achieve in your service , why that should be seen as failure if your successors are not able to do so..
The title and the contentof this article is very true.
Modi should now sing in chorus with Donald Trump and should recognise Tibet, Hong Kong and Taiwan as a separate, sovereign nation. And like this, Modi should now give China a strong message that if the Chinese doesn’t respect our border and territorial integrity and if they doesn’t obey “One India Policy”, then we would also not follow “One China Policy”.
Why isn’t NaMo taking a very very strong stand against China by banning Chinese goods by implementing anti-dumpling regulations?
While the patriotism and jingoism of a soldier at heart is fully understood and appreciated, it’s ironic that senior military leaders of the yesteryears choose not to carry out a net assessment of the situation as it unfolds, in determining what’s best for the country in the given circumstances. You need to cut the suit according to the cloth. Besides, Military plans and responses aren’t some soap operas that need to be beamed into people’s living rooms for information and collective ratification. I am sure you did you best bidding when you were at the helm, without playing to the gallery. Please grant the leaders and the senior echelons in the armed forces the similar wisdom to absorb the import of the present standoff, and take necessary action required in the best interest of the country. Trying to arm twist them into action with such a mistimed narrative could have been avoided.
The reason I hate the western media
Unverified news will be published
Stop printing fake news
China doesn’t have a upperhand or 40-60 km of indian territory and it would wage a war if they infiltrate indian region
Lt General Pang what are you suggesting given the situation, we all know some of the fingers have been impinched by the enemy, I do know that the infrastructure work is happening only now….so will be the problems from the enemy, stating the position and blaming some media will not enhance your status, but it appears gleeful, instead advice what is suggested to do.
The author has no idea of LAC and IB, the analysis done is figment of his own imagination.
For eg at pangong lake finger 8 is in fact IB which is far east from finger 4. But here the author is describing finger 4 as finger 5,6,7,8.
After 1962 war we have been patroling upto finger 4 only after loosing sirijap. Chinese had post east of sirijap and they had been patroling upto finger 4.
The same type of imagination analysis is in case of Galwan and Hot Springs.
Better do some homework and then blarb
Respect and love towards you, for your service to nation won over the hatred I felt on reading this article and it’s wording and this media outlet. Thank you for your service.
The author has no idea of LAC and IB, the analysis done is figment of his own imagination.
For eg at pangong lake finger 8 is in fact IB which is far east from finger 4. But here the author is describing finger 4 as finger 5,6,7,8.
After 1962 war we have been patroling upto finger 4 only after loosing sirijap. Chinese had post east of sirijap and they had been patroling upto finger 4.
The same type of imagination analysis is in case of Galwan and Hot Springs.
Better do some homework and then blarb !
Looks like the author has penned down a story from his imagination more like a politician with some hidden agenda rather than an ex soldier let alone a professional . He has stated inaccurate information about the ground situation.
We know your loyalty The Print. Your agenda is know to each and every Indians. We support our Government and Military. Go and Support your Congis who sit with the Chinese at the time of Doklam. We are not in 1962, Neither Nehru is the Pm. Yeh Naya Bharat hai Ghuskae marega.
Why should i believe you Shekhar? China has always been belligerent against India. Rahee- Sahee kasar gandi khaandan puri karta hai. Wat a pathetic dynasty is this gandi pariwar. Very Dirty indeed! Not a word against them? Or those punks of the himalyan blunder fame of the early 60s. Saanp soong jata hai kya?
In retaliation Modiji will annex Tibet to India
As per this article, the Chinese claim line and the Indian claim line which defines LAC between India and China matched from 1960 until around 2013 after which more and more intrusions occurred by China. This is aggression and cannot be hidden behind the lame reason of “differing perceptions”. India must increase its military capabilities along the LAC, not just match up to that of China. Also, India must find other ways of showing strength to China. The rise of autocracy called China is dangerous for the rest of the world. It’s a closed system, not answerable to any humanitarian crisis like COVID-19, it has the capability to hide or manipulate the truth by force (it has annihilated its own people in Tiananmen Square and also while implementing one-child policy all in the name of nationalism). As long as all these things happen inside China, it’s all good. But now it’s started affecting other nationalities, posing threats to other countries, making the world more dangerous than ever. China must be challenged by all countries which follow open democratichumanitarian processes.
Good job. Giving directions to the Chinese.
Looks like you are teaching them how to negotiate.
desh drohi the print
Since there is no Border Ratification there is no LAC, meaning “differing perceptions” is Literally the correct semantics and practical reality on ground.
There is no 1960, 1962 or April 1st, 2020 because there is no Ratification. India can and still claims the ENTIRE Aksai Chin, this is what “differing perceptions” mean. Just because India claims it doesn’t mean it has it or will get it or Not get it.
What the Chinese do is thus also only relevant to the point of there being No Border Ratification.
It is India which is the ultimate historical culprit in this. China having the most Neighbors in the world resolved and Ratified 12 of its 14 Land Borders, only India and Bhutan remain. This reflects on India given that India took 40 years to even enter border negotiations with a so called friendly country of Bangladesh and still has disputes with Nepal.
China is creating issues on the border because its no longer content with having the approach both India and China had till mid 2000s when both were busy with domestic and economic issues. Now China is in a strategic contest with US and it feels it can’t leave an open hostile front at its rear because it can’t fight a 2 front war, just like India can’t but India doesn’t have the same timeline of resolving the Border for multiple reasons, primarily political. Any Indian Govt can’t resolve this border even if it wanted to because it would be throw out next election. This frustrate the Chinese and they’re going to push harder and harder till India will be left with a rock and a hard place and it will be forced to pick eventually.
Status quo doesn’t work for China because that means leaving an open front liable to exploitation by West/Five Eyes/India. Provoking India carries huge risk but it also carries with it the odds of expediting Indian internal calculations of when to finally get this border done and Ratified finally. Meaning, in grand terms its a net-positive even with risk for the Chinese.
If you pay enough a lot of retired army officers of higher ranks will write against their country. That’s the patriotism of many after retirement.
Shri Panag, thanks to you for such a wonderful column. It is very important to do the right interpretation of facts and reality and you did this in the column. Again thank you!!
Fake news ….
Also mention he is a member of AAP at the bottom.
This is really bad to finger your own country in such delicate situation. You should avoid writing such provocative articles
We have always lost heights under successive BJP rules.
It was Kargil overlooking the strategic Jammu-Srinagar highway which was recovered after hard fought battle and valiant sacrifices of our Army soldiers. This while the then govt. was having peace bus to Islamabad.
Now again the Galwan and Hot Springs height overlooking the strategic Darbuk-Daulat Beg Oldie road while the govt. was busy politicking with various state govts.
Lt Gen Panag is prominent member of Aam Aadmi Party. His actress daughter Gul Panag unsuccessfully contested Lok Sabha elections from Chandigarh. Although nothing against the General and his daughter, but when you introduce the writer of the article, specially a retd defence officer, give out his political affiliation also so that viewers do not form a biased or prejudiced opinion. Obviously any writer whose political outfit is opposed to NDA will be too happy to write such articles and fish in troubled waters. Any retd Army commander worth his salt will never write such article.
How about today’s news that China has reiterated 2 kms into their territory ??
If they were on strong footing ,I don’t think China is kind enough to do that .
So they do have weak link somewhere which we do not know as common man
Two contrasting articles carried by the print. As a common reader I am totally confused. Shri Avijit Mitra-Iyer should give his comments on this article.
Aby kyu likhte ho itna bda…kon pdhta hai tmhri bkwaas
Modi is India’s greatest leader. He will win all wars without firing a shot. He is the greatest statesman the world has ever seen
5.6 inch
Don’t put that weird and cringe headlines which proves you to be pro China and anti India . It hurts sentiments of many people like me even.
India has sufficient number of traitors/communist Chinese & Pakistani stooges!! So this author should present proof of what he says!! Else, India has been losing territory & it’s Hindu civilization/people since a 1000 years!! So unless Hindustan & Hindu civilization becomes stronger, every one will take advantage including the Chinese!!
Enemies at the door and you still manage to sneak in a demotivating click bait type title for this article, trying so hard to peddle this hateful brainless anti-india propaganda clearly explains how systemic oppression of brown people is executed and supported by browns themselves. Get lost!
Indians have not woken up to realities,the Chinese have for decades been making claims on our land and are getting away because they have prepared themselves and built the infrastructure to keep the odds against us.They have developed the muscle to enforce their way.But they are forgetting the bravery of our soldiers, willing to lay down their lives for the country.The conflict has arisen because Modi is building up our border infrastructure. Xi is under pressure in his country and the world now.He will be more threatened if Chinese see their onekid soldiers cong back dead.Xi must realise that his soldiers are not like the expendable men under Mao and he is facing Modi and not Nehru
What’s boot?
There is a Tamil proverb: A thief stung by a scorpion – he cannot cry nor can he bear the pain. We have lost territory which we cannot reclaim, therefore we say we have not lost territory. Who is going to this god forsaken place to verify the same.
There is an English proverb: People living in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones at others!! With Tamil Nadu & Kerala completely in grip of evil Vatican & mecca medina agents, try saving your Tamilian Hindustani civilization first; lest it’s too late!!
Works both ways. Nobody knows whether territory is lost or not because as you say ” Who is going to this God forsaken place to verify the same”
This is not nehru ruled india where 46000 sqkm land was given to China just for the sake of the chair of PM, this is new india..
Ghar me ghus kar marenge
Ha! Freedom of speech?
Exercising freedom without incorporating responsibility is a catastrophe in waiting.
Hmm, looks like LT GEN H S PANAG (RETD) stop getting kitty after congress lost power in center…
Well said the Congi #pidi r spreading rumour
Mr Jon Track: Your puerile post cannot exactly be termed as a counter-argument can it ? After all, the Lt. Gen Parag states facts and these facts aren’t exactly palatable are they ? However, whichever way you look, India is getting humiliated by the Chinese. And they don’t seem to be intimidated by the 56 inch chested Gujarati and his “atmanirbharism” and other silly tropes.
I know it is hard to swallow for bhakths like you. But that is the sad predicament that your beloved Gujarati has brought India to.
It is very stupid to ascribe bad motives to everybody as if Modiji and BJP is the repository of global wisdom.
Modi is a narcissistic, Machiavellian, semi literate demagogue who knows nothing about governance. But majority of Indians as Justice Katju famously said are idiots and communal.
Looks the case as he is asking for broad information on Indian strategy at the border ….who is playing willfully into the enemy’s hands?
Google
Please don’t flash.. anti India articles by paid media on my screen.
Aap is post ka Sheershak badlo.Bhaarat,Bhaarat hai.Uski ungliya to kya,uska baal bhi kisi desh ke paanv ke neeche nahi aayega………kabhi bhi.Jai Hind!
THIS PEOPLE LIKE PANAG ARE PAID BY CHINA GOVT. TO DEMORALISE INDIAN GOVT AND PEOPLE………………THESE PEOPLE CANNOT STAND IN FAVOR OF OWN COUNTRY…BUT THEY CAN DO ANY THING FOR MONEY…
Like general Buxi gets from b.j.p.for abusing Pakistan but keeps mum on China’s occupation of indian soil the ultra nationalist are also ran in their rat holes .
It’s not about Congress or BJP, but all about securing Indian borders, while current regime was busy murdering democracy, suppressing activist, opposition misusing all intelligence agencies resources China took advantage and occupied indian territories, in short government never focused on securing boarders….
Hopefully the generals who will meet the chinese on June 6, are aware of your assessment and ground realities. Hopefully the brave hearts didn’t die in vain. But what I have heard from the top military and political class til now makes me pessimistic. They are dillidallying on ” our perception of LaC and their perception of LaC”.
Ha!! Ha!! Does Mamata’s inhuman Handling of Corona Virus and spreading Jihadi Islamic elements in west Bengal makes you pessimistic too??!!
This is cold hard truth, but China is both technologically and military wise stronger than india with a economy triple that of India
The government should bite the ego and proceed for diplomatic solutions otherwise it will be a pitiable sight to see our 50yr old outdated WW2 military getting crushed by china.
Amathnirbhar ghanta, first build military in india don’t buy from other countries wheather it’s aircrafts (Russia/France) or CVs (Russia/Britain)
For love of God people need to select proper government anyone just becomes a MP in this godforsaken country, we need a mandatory degree requirements for qualifications to become MP, POI, PMOI. Etc
This is MODI model. If war will begin .
First both countries are having atomic Power.
India will be in a position to choose when to use that.
Second If war will take place with country like India. China will have to forget becoming world power.
India has little to loose because we have very little
No manufacturing company will operate in China after or during war.
This entire stuff written by the gentleman is all crap and so is your reaction .Maj pandey
And still the world’s most advanced military lost to China in the Korean war, Vietnam in the Vietnam war and in Afghanistan. The mighty USSR couldn’t subdue Afghanistan. So much for military might.
Don’t get carried away when govt. vows to reclaim aksai chin
Ex army-man endorses a coup against the government of India if Modi is elected to power again
https://www.opindia.com/2019/05/lt-general-hs-panag-twitter-coup-narendra-modi-inqlab/
This Ex army- Pakistani/Chinese stooge should be in jail for life!!
This is BJP propaganda news portal
Much needed.
Nice pick…
Ha! Freedom of speech?
Exercising freedom without incorporating responsibility is a catastrophe in waiting.
Mr print have you been there to those fingers ever.
Zero credibility of this article don’t even attach any source of claim just assumption being Retired army personal.
Applause….!!!!
Nice chinese propoganda. .cheers..!!!
Fake Propaganda by Author Writer Lt Gen H S Panag who endorse coup against Modi government if came into power in 2019 election
Stop sensationalism… “Indian fingers”… Stop this!! .. you want to create an issue even if there wasn’t any.
I think the major cause of trouble is the ever raging Indian media, if there’s no war, you want to create one. You want to add facts without verifying them. Stop this sensationalism on the name of news.
CDS & present army chief should be sacked for allowing India army become a mistress of Modi political agenda………….even in U.S Pentagon is in revolt against President Trump inanities !!!
Are you an Indian newspaper or are you being funded by the Chinese?
Fucking chutiya newspaper with anti-national rhetoric all the time. Shekhar Gupta must be licking Xi-Jin Ping’s arse before publishing this bullshit article. China is under a lot of pressure from all fronts but this chutiya Chinese mouthpiece is still busy pulling out fake and anti-India news.
Chutiya communists and their chutiya reporting.
Very impressive the post aptly shows the writing prowess and High intellectual level of Mr. Gupta. Hope to see many more posts to benefit form his analytical posts.
NaMo was definitely doing that in Xi’s private garden during his visit there
He is your son after all!
You are right. These stupid fellows don’t know a shit about journalism. I have a journalist freind in China. He says China is under a lot of pressure from within also as pro-democratic forces there are challenging the very existence of communism there. You are right to have used ch**** word for them. It is an apt expression. Really, they are dar removed from reality in laddakh. Even this Panag, who has his own axe to grind. Everybody knows it, thanks to a liberal democracy. Otherwise this bull would have been behind bars.
No cament
Modi Government is only concerned with Muslims, Ram Mandir and Pakistan as these issues give votes. China has already occupied 5000+ sq km of Indian land at 3 different locations yet Modi and Inidna Army in complete denial..!!
you talking about 5000 sq km it’s not piece of cake which you can without having news you can check Chinese news also they don’t even claim about occupied any land in current incursion.
So you read Chinese Mr Vineet Shah? I am impressed !
Forgotten that Chinese media, like the bulk of India’s paid media is under government control ? In any case, since unlike you I cannot read Chinese, let us take another source viz. Washington Post of 2nd June, 2020. I cite:
“Unlike previous border incidents in 2013 or 2014, China is simultaneously putting pressure on the LAC in multiple areas in the western sector. Although reports vary, China may have placed 5,000 soldiers on or near the LAC. In three places, China reportedly has crossed the LAC into areas India believes to have been “settled,” thus challenging the local status quo from India’s standpoint.”
Ref: wapo.st/2Y52rWc
I could surely cite many other sources corroborating that. Barring of course India’s paid media outlets and the hot air spewing Arnab Goswami type channels where you spend your time.
But the fact remains that China has crossed the Line of Actual control (LAC) and occupies Indian territory. In other words, India has lost territory to the Chinese. I guess the Chinese neither get scared nor do they care about your 56 inch chested fellow Gujarati.
Now get that into your dhokla filled skull will you Mr Vineet Shah ?
Because Chinese news is the most trustworthy source on the planet isn’t it. Retard
They don’t need to! Would a thief openly claim he stole something? Does not mean there was no theft!
Where is the proof.
Abbey Salman chutye India ka naam dhang se likhna seekh pehele
People like you are mentally sick, who have got a knack of relating anything with anything. Neither you are Modi nor you are Indian Army, neither you are in power nor u understand what’s going on but still have to give your opinions that no body asked for and that too at a forum where it actually can create debate.
Ru in RAW?? Hate towards Modi make u so desperate that you have given China 5000 Sq.km of area…plz give creditable reference you moron..
With no inputs other than what he gets in public domain, it’s difficult to understand how the author makes an assessment of what is the situation and say someone’s finger is under someone’s boots. In military domain past positions give you no access to Information on present position. So With due respect, I really give little credibility To this .
Well said. He gives no references for any of the facts. This is not expected from The Print. You yourself have published articles of Abhijit Iyer Mitra in this regard which is exactly the opposite. The Print, are you running a public blog, where you don’t have any opinion. You can’t get away always by just writing that these are personal views of writer.
India simply doesn’t have the strength to get into a fight with China. Is clear to everyone, including those three- Rawat, Rajnath and Modi (the RRM of India’s debacle). It’ll be wise to let them prevail and cut your overall losses. I shudder to think the consequences if these guys again use this as an opportunity to whip up the patriotism bogey and do something foolish.
What an asinine comment ? Do U visualise China stopping further incursions if you don’t give them a bloody nose . Are you really a Colonel ?
I doubt if you are colonel
We have always been denial, regarding almost everything since this incompetent man Modi took to power. From botched, ill-planned so-called surgical strikes against Pakistan, attributing clouds to radar evasion, having our plane shot down and our pilot arrested beyond enemy lines in a humiliating global episode, to denying a major escalation with the Chinese and giving lip service to the nation regarding a two-front war. Kashmir is locked up, we are fighting COVID on the ground and our incompetent PM is busy giving speeches about just how great a job he has done.
Years of foreign rule ensures a culture of distrust between the people and the rulers. A class with prevlages is then created within the people to ensure that a consolidated opposition is not formed.
This system of governance perfetly suited the first dispention that came to power post independance and the Babus made sure that it continued, with successive weaker, power hungry and undesirable political forces.
Since 2014 that unbrideled power of the privilaged is sought to be checked, the result is that the the short comming of the government are now clebrated in stead of correcting the with sound in puts.
Most of them doing so are known to have belonged to the privilaged class or related to them.
China doing some thing anti India , number of Covid cases going up or successuful attack by Pak backed terrorists is not just news, only a stupid can miss the celibratory tone in it.
Brother, you’re so off your rockers that it’s scary. A class takeover you say? Yeah, Ambani sure is a common man turned tycoon in your alternate reality. I am no fan of the congress or any other party in particular, and in most cases support a stable one party government but your analysis reeks of lily-bellied delusion.
Modi has hurt India more than anybody in past 70 years.
Really sir?
It was your “Wise” Pandit(!)Nehru drunk under Panchsheel concoction let the Chinese to overrun the Indian Territory. Every time China & Pakistan issues flameup,you can’t forget this Nehru & his commie defense minister(1962)Krishna Menon.They ditched the country & to this day are like festering wounds
Good to see some truth in response to the leftist rubbish.
Maybe you are forgetting Nehru? or he is so insignificant that you dont count him?
When an Indian professor shared a picture of Indian soldiers lying injured in the feet of Chinese troops at Ladak, some jingoist bhakhts said, ‘are those Pakistani soldiers’. What a humiliation of sacrifices of blood by soldiers to defend territory, and this is how the BJP bhakhts hurt their feelings and their families’. This is why Modi and military deny loss of territory because these jingoist only want to hear about fake stories of success in Balakot, standing the ground in front of China.
As you sow, so shall you reap. Modi his thugs in rogue military took away status quo of Indian Occupied Jammu and Kashmir,
Dear Sir,
Glad that still we have people who care for our country…this is really shame for us that China is occupying our territory by salami tactics and our leaders are sleeping… instead of acknowledging the issue they are denying…we as Indians has biggest issue that we always think about us first than we care for our country…but we forget that if there is no country…we have no existence…
First of all I am pained to see we ridicule ourselves continuously. This slave mentality has killed our potential. Secondly our headless chicken politicians for vote bank politics selected. Pakistan as our bigger enemy leaving the bigger picture. This is only to beat Hindu Muslim vote bank. Whereas China has systematically selected. US and Europe as their prime enemies. When I talk to my official Chinese counterparts I am seeing a big difference. They are exhibiting high level of supremacy now. Sad but true AS OF NOW we are no match to them both militarily and economically. We can match only we change our goal post from Pakistan to China
Some people are trying to demoralize Indians with false Chinese propaganda. We have seen these so called strong Chinese troops flying away from Nathula, Vietnam, Doklam and this time from Galwan.