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Don’t blame misfortune. This is colossal incompetence and insensitivity. So bad, heads would have rolled even in the old PSU-era Indian Airlines and Air India.
Biased journalism. Instead of discussing Vedavyasa caste, you should have thrown more light on his works. While you appreciate his contribution whether you or The Print team is dare enough to come out and say it should be part of our education system … These are all choosy to destroy our society further….. Let us all fight for caste and religion columns shall be removed from all forms….
The authors are ill-informed. Vyas is not a dalit. The word dalit refers to a person who is fallen down spiritually, not from a caste point of view. These so called experts sit in judgement without any idea of our scriptures or what they intend to teach us. Why waste time and misdirect people.
Sir, you rightly said that Vyasa can not be a Dalit , as the meaning is right in your view. These so called intellectuals cherish by condemning the spiritual belief of a community as has been a fashion. We should condemn it strongly. Thanks for your emotional spitting.
Why do you call Vedavyas a Dalit, why not a Brahmin? Veda Vyas was a Brahman by his works and deeds. Author of this article has not understood the Varna system and is trying to make false illusions.
We just can not say that no caste system in india it is completely based on caste system only otherwise why almost more than 50% of higher posted are acquired by so called upper castes and why only bramins know the sanskrit ofcourse it is a dead language now like there are so many issues are there we should have an healthy debate and can be decided something .
All these interpretation of ancient scripture s calling Vedvyasa was a Dalit is of no relavence today.It is like beating a dead horse and we Dalit shoud not. be
forget the path shown by Dr Baba shahaib .It is conspiracy hatched by RSS and BJP and Hindu R/W organizations
For how long will the so called Dalits keep calling themselves as oppressed. The communities who prove themselves rule the world. Who stops dalits from being intellectual, brave, skillful and show their mettle today. They can rise and show it to others that they are superior to them. Govt is already providing lot of facilities at the cost of others. Stop cribbing and start rising.
Your article is misguided, there is and never was a caste system.. It is inter-occupation just like a doctor, engineer, soldier, software professional, journalism etc.
Your article is flawed, there is and never was a caste system.. It is inter-occupation just like a doctor, engineer, soldier, software professional, journalism etc.
Sri veda vyas muni is Bhagavan himself. Its is mentioned in Sri vishnu sahasra namam. Vyasaya vishnu Roopaya vyasa Roopaya vishnave.
He is an embodiment of maha vishnu and the divine has to caste and creed. Period. And ppl calling him dalit is atrocious. This author can look forward for a law suite for mis information. Very very soon.
The author is not eligible to comment on maha purush.
Only one thing is true in this article that Ved Vyasaji was nation builder. Otherwise This article is completely misleading. Authors either didn’t do proper research or intentionally choose to mislead the general public to build their narrative ( with vested interest). Why are you appropriating Ved Vyasaji.
1)Ved Vyasaji was Brahmin by birth as well as by Karma.
2)At that time, there was Varna system not present day caste system.
3) What is the hesitation of acknowledging the contribution of Brahmins in nation building? They were and will always be part of indic civilization
4) We are living in different time. We have come so far. We have to learn from our past and should accept it as it is. No appropriation is needed.
5) What is the necessity to see everything with the lens of castes?
We expect truth from Journalism, not misinterpretation of our ancient scripture. We understand it is difficult for you but we trust you can do
Disgusting..Shame on these writers….How come he be Dalit?. He was a son of MehRishi who was Brahmin, of course the mother was tribal.
But, the present day plight of Dalits is stemming from the ills narrated in all these Religious books.
Had he been Dalit, he would have written Books in such a way that Dalit would have been the epic Heroes of these stories and writings.
At least, that would have made the history different and present pleasant for Dalits.
Yes. Vedavyas was born to brahmin and a fisherwoman. He fathered dhritarashtra and pandu through wives of his dead step brothers. He also fathered Vidor through a royal maid. Such an obnoxious person in modern world. Who brought this story – generations of brahmins – could they have not conveniently modified to say he was a pure brahmin and his children were born to pure brahmin women.
Stop blaming brahmins for everything.
Brahmins brought our epics to us with least corruption. Even valmiki story is no different.
Fo brahmins own anything – rajas were kshatriya, buisiness and money with visyas, land and technology with shudras. Brahmins are less than 5% and rest only contributed for survival of our sanatsna dharma. Our culture survived because brahmins transmitted from generation to generation. Otherwise india would have been like Iraq, Iran, Egypt- 100% muslim and jihadi.
Writing this for some people who say that these ancient scriptures were relevant for the ancient times…
Rejecting ‘these’ ancient scriptures without reading them is a sign of ignorance.
The fact is, that the Vedas are not religion but Dharma. It talks about life, code of conduct, philosophy, spirituality etc. The fact is that it is still as relevant as it was in those times, because even though the world has progressed, human brains and human emotions are still the same.
Also, Vedas don’t really talk about God as a different entity. It talks about Aham Brahmasmi. The fact that everything/everyone whether it’s air animal insect human anything, God is in that. I am God. It’s a question one asks when they are on a spiritual journey.
These Vedas say, every man can attain nirvana and can chose many paths for the same.
Anyway, these are texts, they’re not a book of the lord. You’re free to argue, take what you like, leave what you don’t. No one asks one to blindly follow them and that’s the beauty of it.
Technically it’s not a religion, but since you gotta call it something you call it one. It’s just Dharma. Simple as that.
I also understand what you are saying because until 10 yrs back, I was of the same opinion. An Athiest I was. It’s only after I read the Gita(interpretation) and some of these scriptures that I had a tectonic shift of a mindset.
I still not ritualistic, but I do believe that those who wrote/compiled these scriptures were absolutely brilliant geniuses and I’m proud that we have this vast knowledge all around us that the western world cannot even fathom of having.
My little piece of advise, please go and read one thing. Perhaps if not me, then this will change your mind.
The pursuit of enlightenment does not guarantee better quality of life.
The pursuit of logic, self-expression and rational thinking due to Renaissance and the development of Science, the Industrial Revolution etc has done much more good for quality of human life in the last few centuries.
God as our ancients termed it may be nothing more than a state of the brain. Neuroscientists have examined brain function during meditation and have noticed some brain circuits and networks to be highly activated. The result is a state of high attention and awareness along with tremendous relaxation.
Achieving this brain state takes years of brain training via some techniques like meditation. But one scientist was able to trigger those very same brain circuits via external electrical stimulation of the brain. Perhaps someday when science has a better understanding of how to effectively stimulate complex brain circuits, mental issues like fear, anxiety, jealousy, anger etc could be solved without having to go through years of meditation or prayer training.
Excellent analysis by Thirumurugan and Sudarshan. Unfortunately ignorant FOOLS like ‘SDB’ (or whatever his stuppid name is) cannot understand science nor technology. ‘Religion’ is an English word, while ‘Dharma’ is not. These FOOLS claim that Dharma is not Religion. They think that religious scriptures have a cure for everything and yet they cannot cure a simple headache. These FOOLS have a preconceived notion of everything and would readily argue but won’t try to see the other ones point of view. These religious scriptures gave rise to numerous religious crooks who are operating today in the name of GOD. They specialise in swindling money from gullible people. Obviously ‘SDB’ has been brainwashed and has finally become a ‘victim’ of Dharma, readily agreeing to whatever hocus-pocus his religious teachers spout out. These crooks have made the world believe that Dharma is essential for survival.
No word to appreciate.
Excellent insight
Ved vyasa’s mother Satyavati is being claimed by the author of being a dalit. It is to be noted that Satyavati father dashraj(fisherman) was only her aadopted fathet. Her biological father is the cheddi king uparichara vasu and mother was a celestial nymph. Ved Vyasa was born with the blessings of parashara maharishi.. Lets take out the blessings part and claim that parashara was his father. Now where is the dalit part? So does the author now accept that the Brahmin Ved vyasa was the nation builder… See keep caste and divisiveness aside from your articles. And please go through the myths well before posting articles
The mahavakya Tat Tvam Asi, means ” you are that” . That means, you are the God himself. You are not different from God. Therefore, don’t give wrong interpretations to mahavakyas
It’s useless to discuss the root of Hrishi and source of river one never find anywhere. They’re beyond castism. Dalit know very well that who is there true liberator dalit should not be live in lie in this false propaganda of one so called sanatan dharma. We should walk on the path of our great leader Ambedkar ji.
One question is The Print became RW Propagandist ?
Vyasa’s mother was Satyavati her biological father was Kshatriya Upachari Vasu and his father was Brahmin, So his a Brahmin by his Father Caste, so how he became Dalit ?
just because raised by Atishudra it doesn’t mean that otherwise by that logic Karana is also Shudra, but his was Kshatriya by birth
Ancient scriptures were suitable for ancient times, since the world our ancestors lived in, had different factors governing them. But still, there are those who think that these ‘ancient’ scriptures are still relevant in the 21st Century or at least force the people to believe so. Mankind was once an atheist, until someone invented ‘God’. A few centuries later, someone else invented ‘Religion’. All these factors have become a great recipe for ‘Politics’ now. Those who are wise will not allow themselves to be impacted by mundane ideologies.
Rejecting ‘these’ ancient scriptures without reading them is a sign of your ignorance.
The fact is, that the Vedas are not religion but Dharma. It talks about life, code of conduct, philosophy, spirituality. The fact is that it is still as relevant as it was in those times, because even though the world has progressed, human brains and human emotions are still the same.
Also, Vedas don’t really talk about God as a different entity. It talks about Aham Brahmasmi. The fact that everything/everyone whether it’s air animal insect human anything, God is in that. I am God. It’s a question one asks when they are on a spiritual journey. Clearly you are not that evolved yet to seek such answers. Living the rut, without see. These Vedas say, every man can attain nirvana and can chose many paths for the same.
Technically it’s not a religion, but since you gotta call it something you call it one. It’s just Dharma. Simple as that.
I don’t expect you to understand what I’m saying because most ppl on Digital media come with a preconceived notion and would argue but won’t try to see the other ones point of view.
I also understand what you are saying because until 10 yrs back, I was of the same opinion. An Athiest I was. It’s only after I read the Gita(interpretation) and some of these scriptures that I had a tectonic shift of a mindset.
I still not ritualistic, but I do believe that those who wrote/compiled these scriptures were absolutely brilliant geniuses and I’m proud that we have this vast knowledge all around us that the western world cannot even fathom of having.
My little piece of advise, please go and read one thing. Perhaps if not me, then this will change your mind.
Parashara( a Brahmin) a maharishi & Grandson of Vashistha married the daughter of Chedi king Uparichara Vasu (a Kshatriya)
( she was adopted by a fisherman) ,their son is Ved Vyasa
So calling him a Dalit is absurd, what pleasure do these people derive in twisting history ?
Vyasa also like Ravana was born to a Maharishi and thus was a Brahmin by birth. If you believe in varna by karm then also you would find Vyasa to be a Brahmin. Exceptional examples of Brahmins who were not born into brahmin lineage include Rishis like Vishwamitra who attained the Brahmin title by penance. Using modern segregating terms like Dalit(someone who has been oppressed) is a grave insult to Maharishi Vyasa’s legacy who was the father of Vedic written literature. Before writing articles on Vyasa refer to the Vedic texts compiled by him atleast to understand Varna Vyavastha.
No. Ved vyas was Vashisht Brahmin. He was not Dalits.
Valmiki was brahmin he was born as Agni Sharma into brahmin family (practesa). But bhangi Community started using his surname after 1900s after influence of Arya samaj those want to stop Conversion of Dalits. Wake up Dalits.
Ved vyas, Valimki, Hanuman no one was Dalit. Stop fake news
Did “Hinduism” and “caste system by birth” exist at time of Vedavyasa ? ?..
After acheiveing knowledge vedvyasa was brahman …
His mother Satyavati was a kshtriya as she married to Shantanu , the king …
Please donot see ancient times with the tainted lens of present times …
Which Dharmacharya said Veda Vyasa was Dalit? Where it is written he was a Dalit? First these scams tried to appropriate Valmiki and now Veda Vyaas. Nonsense Bullshit.
Veda Vyas is Shaakshaath Narayana Himself. His birth did not happen the normal way. He manifested Himself and took leave of His so-called ‘parents’ immediately after birth for penance.Is it possible for a normal child to do so? He did not go schooling to learn any of His bountiful works for the humankind, that the author credits Him with..Is it possible for a normal child? To confine Him in any’caste’ boundary, forgetting the circumstances of His manifestation and His supernatural presence through the Yuga’s, is a disservice to Him.He is the lord supreme
Ved Vyasa is an honorific. There were 27 Ved Vyasas before Krishna Dvaipayan. While the last Ved Vyasa did put the Mahabharata into written words, I would presume that the other prior Ved Vyasas also had a hand in putting down the vast Vedic corpus into a written form.
Hinduism and Bramanism are the culprits in supressing SC/ST s.They have to pay the price and get punished for the atrocities and the offences commited by them for thousands of years.
Even today the offences like rape,killing untouchablity are going on in full swing.
Hey, you do realise that the word “Dalit” didn’t even exist yet? It was a word created in the 18th century by most likely the Maratha/modern day UP region upper class. Thing is that back then, Shudras were just seen as feudal peasants while Kshatriyas as feudal lords and Brahmins as feudal priests. Social mobility, however, existed and caste eas just a feudal concept, like the entire world did. Even the Kauravas and Panfavas were half shudra, because of their grandmother Satyavati. It was the then the British who institutionised the idea and ruined our Dharma, instead of modernising it. After that we just kept holding on to the stupid idea of it. Atleast as a Bengali I am proud that here no one cares of caste and a Shudra is treated as equally as a Brahmin.
Considering the time spans involved, the same person could not have written the Mahabharata and the Vedas. Even within the Vedas, there is enough evidence suggesting that the Rig Veda is older than the Atharva Veda by a 1000 years or so.
Bible, being recent has been edited countless times.. Let alone Vedas that were more ancient.
And just like those scholars in Christianity couldn’t Understand the real meaning behind Jesus’s words of loving your neighbour, similarly, the meaning u specified in this article of why love your neighbour as per Vedas is equally a joke.
If u want to write spiritual articles, go indepth into those religions, or create a spiritual base for yourself first, before writing articles just for the sake of standing out. This article is nowhere close to even the understanding of spirituality inclined people towards Jesus or Buddha., or any Vedas. If those Vedas were helpful, India wouldn’t have been so backward today…mainly due to casteism. Ambedkar wanted to breakaway from them, and that was his first step to get rid of caste culture. Those Vedas hasn’t helped humankind in any way, which is proved now in our caste based country.
No hindu has ever looked upto Veda Vyasa as a dalit. He was revered at par with Lord Krishna. But such is the mind of people today they look at everything through caste prism. They want to even divide our Lords our Sages and saints on caste basis.
How conveniently the concept of Varna ( based on gunas and not based on birth) has been side stepped while creating a false narrative the “lower caste” rising up.
“Vyasa’s accomplishments show that birth and background do not dictate a person’s accomplishments.”
The conclusionshould have been …
The ancient Dharmic society did not constrain a person based on his birth but allowed him to flourish according to his capabilities.
If you think of it, all of the important works when it come to India as a nation were written by non-brahmins such as Ramayana by Valmiki(a Aadivasi), Mahabharata by Vyasa and Constitution by Dr. Ambedkar.
This is a clever but false narrative of “progressive” vedic society.Had the father of vyasa been from a lower community,the entire story would have been different.For a proper interpretation of vedic/puranic society of india in the first millenium BC,one has to look at the story of Satyakama Jabali,Karna or Ekalavya.
The much later Manusmriti and Ramayana period, when cast hierarchies froze and consolidated show the real tragedy of Indian society under Varna and cast regimen.
Biased journalism. Instead of discussing Vedavyasa caste, you should have thrown more light on his works. While you appreciate his contribution whether you or The Print team is dare enough to come out and say it should be part of our education system … These are all choosy to destroy our society further….. Let us all fight for caste and religion columns shall be removed from all forms….
The authors are ill-informed. Vyas is not a dalit. The word dalit refers to a person who is fallen down spiritually, not from a caste point of view. These so called experts sit in judgement without any idea of our scriptures or what they intend to teach us. Why waste time and misdirect people.
Sir, you rightly said that Vyasa can not be a Dalit , as the meaning is right in your view. These so called intellectuals cherish by condemning the spiritual belief of a community as has been a fashion. We should condemn it strongly. Thanks for your emotional spitting.
Commendable any way.
Why do you call Vedavyas a Dalit, why not a Brahmin? Veda Vyas was a Brahman by his works and deeds. Author of this article has not understood the Varna system and is trying to make false illusions.
We just can not say that no caste system in india it is completely based on caste system only otherwise why almost more than 50% of higher posted are acquired by so called upper castes and why only bramins know the sanskrit ofcourse it is a dead language now like there are so many issues are there we should have an healthy debate and can be decided something .
All these interpretation of ancient scripture s calling Vedvyasa was a Dalit is of no relavence today.It is like beating a dead horse and we Dalit shoud not. be
forget the path shown by Dr Baba shahaib .It is conspiracy hatched by RSS and BJP and Hindu R/W organizations
Why Vyasar is being referred as Dalit not a brahmin? Who defined Fisher men as lower caste? And why the hell are they lower caste?
For how long will the so called Dalits keep calling themselves as oppressed. The communities who prove themselves rule the world. Who stops dalits from being intellectual, brave, skillful and show their mettle today. They can rise and show it to others that they are superior to them. Govt is already providing lot of facilities at the cost of others. Stop cribbing and start rising.
Your article is misguided, there is and never was a caste system.. It is inter-occupation just like a doctor, engineer, soldier, software professional, journalism etc.
Your article is flawed, there is and never was a caste system.. It is inter-occupation just like a doctor, engineer, soldier, software professional, journalism etc.
The author is perhaps the biggest idiot that I’ve come across in recent times.
Nonsense. Ask the writer to read mahabharata first and not to venture to write on vedavyass. These people are just nuisance to the society.
Sri veda vyas muni is Bhagavan himself. Its is mentioned in Sri vishnu sahasra namam. Vyasaya vishnu Roopaya vyasa Roopaya vishnave.
He is an embodiment of maha vishnu and the divine has to caste and creed. Period. And ppl calling him dalit is atrocious. This author can look forward for a law suite for mis information. Very very soon.
The author is not eligible to comment on maha purush.
Only one thing is true in this article that Ved Vyasaji was nation builder. Otherwise This article is completely misleading. Authors either didn’t do proper research or intentionally choose to mislead the general public to build their narrative ( with vested interest). Why are you appropriating Ved Vyasaji.
1)Ved Vyasaji was Brahmin by birth as well as by Karma.
2)At that time, there was Varna system not present day caste system.
3) What is the hesitation of acknowledging the contribution of Brahmins in nation building? They were and will always be part of indic civilization
4) We are living in different time. We have come so far. We have to learn from our past and should accept it as it is. No appropriation is needed.
5) What is the necessity to see everything with the lens of castes?
We expect truth from Journalism, not misinterpretation of our ancient scripture. We understand it is difficult for you but we trust you can do
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Disgusting..Shame on these writers….How come he be Dalit?. He was a son of MehRishi who was Brahmin, of course the mother was tribal.
But, the present day plight of Dalits is stemming from the ills narrated in all these Religious books.
Had he been Dalit, he would have written Books in such a way that Dalit would have been the epic Heroes of these stories and writings.
At least, that would have made the history different and present pleasant for Dalits.
Yes. Vedavyas was born to brahmin and a fisherwoman. He fathered dhritarashtra and pandu through wives of his dead step brothers. He also fathered Vidor through a royal maid. Such an obnoxious person in modern world. Who brought this story – generations of brahmins – could they have not conveniently modified to say he was a pure brahmin and his children were born to pure brahmin women.
Stop blaming brahmins for everything.
Brahmins brought our epics to us with least corruption. Even valmiki story is no different.
Fo brahmins own anything – rajas were kshatriya, buisiness and money with visyas, land and technology with shudras. Brahmins are less than 5% and rest only contributed for survival of our sanatsna dharma. Our culture survived because brahmins transmitted from generation to generation. Otherwise india would have been like Iraq, Iran, Egypt- 100% muslim and jihadi.
Bewakuf. Read his works and you will understand who he was
Retard. Rishi Ved Vyasa was not a dalit.
I challenge you on a debate on the origins of Rishi Vyasa. You up for it , Mallecha ?
Waste of ten minutes
That time no caste system.
Still we haven’t learned lessons from the past.
Shun caste names and remove the word like Dalits/SC /ST etc henceforth.
Writing this for some people who say that these ancient scriptures were relevant for the ancient times…
Rejecting ‘these’ ancient scriptures without reading them is a sign of ignorance.
The fact is, that the Vedas are not religion but Dharma. It talks about life, code of conduct, philosophy, spirituality etc. The fact is that it is still as relevant as it was in those times, because even though the world has progressed, human brains and human emotions are still the same.
Also, Vedas don’t really talk about God as a different entity. It talks about Aham Brahmasmi. The fact that everything/everyone whether it’s air animal insect human anything, God is in that. I am God. It’s a question one asks when they are on a spiritual journey.
These Vedas say, every man can attain nirvana and can chose many paths for the same.
Anyway, these are texts, they’re not a book of the lord. You’re free to argue, take what you like, leave what you don’t. No one asks one to blindly follow them and that’s the beauty of it.
Technically it’s not a religion, but since you gotta call it something you call it one. It’s just Dharma. Simple as that.
I also understand what you are saying because until 10 yrs back, I was of the same opinion. An Athiest I was. It’s only after I read the Gita(interpretation) and some of these scriptures that I had a tectonic shift of a mindset.
I still not ritualistic, but I do believe that those who wrote/compiled these scriptures were absolutely brilliant geniuses and I’m proud that we have this vast knowledge all around us that the western world cannot even fathom of having.
My little piece of advise, please go and read one thing. Perhaps if not me, then this will change your mind.
The pursuit of enlightenment does not guarantee better quality of life.
The pursuit of logic, self-expression and rational thinking due to Renaissance and the development of Science, the Industrial Revolution etc has done much more good for quality of human life in the last few centuries.
God as our ancients termed it may be nothing more than a state of the brain. Neuroscientists have examined brain function during meditation and have noticed some brain circuits and networks to be highly activated. The result is a state of high attention and awareness along with tremendous relaxation.
Achieving this brain state takes years of brain training via some techniques like meditation. But one scientist was able to trigger those very same brain circuits via external electrical stimulation of the brain. Perhaps someday when science has a better understanding of how to effectively stimulate complex brain circuits, mental issues like fear, anxiety, jealousy, anger etc could be solved without having to go through years of meditation or prayer training.
Excellent analysis by Thirumurugan and Sudarshan. Unfortunately ignorant FOOLS like ‘SDB’ (or whatever his stuppid name is) cannot understand science nor technology. ‘Religion’ is an English word, while ‘Dharma’ is not. These FOOLS claim that Dharma is not Religion. They think that religious scriptures have a cure for everything and yet they cannot cure a simple headache. These FOOLS have a preconceived notion of everything and would readily argue but won’t try to see the other ones point of view. These religious scriptures gave rise to numerous religious crooks who are operating today in the name of GOD. They specialise in swindling money from gullible people. Obviously ‘SDB’ has been brainwashed and has finally become a ‘victim’ of Dharma, readily agreeing to whatever hocus-pocus his religious teachers spout out. These crooks have made the world believe that Dharma is essential for survival.
No word to appreciate.
Excellent insight
Ved vyasa’s mother Satyavati is being claimed by the author of being a dalit. It is to be noted that Satyavati father dashraj(fisherman) was only her aadopted fathet. Her biological father is the cheddi king uparichara vasu and mother was a celestial nymph. Ved Vyasa was born with the blessings of parashara maharishi.. Lets take out the blessings part and claim that parashara was his father. Now where is the dalit part? So does the author now accept that the Brahmin Ved vyasa was the nation builder… See keep caste and divisiveness aside from your articles. And please go through the myths well before posting articles
These all are very very subtle.Gross man can not interpret all these.Thanks Nitin.
Typical Cultural Marxism
The mahavakya Tat Tvam Asi, means ” you are that” . That means, you are the God himself. You are not different from God. Therefore, don’t give wrong interpretations to mahavakyas
It’s useless to discuss the root of Hrishi and source of river one never find anywhere. They’re beyond castism. Dalit know very well that who is there true liberator dalit should not be live in lie in this false propaganda of one so called sanatan dharma. We should walk on the path of our great leader Ambedkar ji.
One question is The Print became RW Propagandist ?
Vyasa’s mother was Satyavati her biological father was Kshatriya Upachari Vasu and his father was Brahmin, So his a Brahmin by his Father Caste, so how he became Dalit ?
just because raised by Atishudra it doesn’t mean that otherwise by that logic Karana is also Shudra, but his was Kshatriya by birth
If cast decided the quality of once achievement the upbringing ina Particular back ground is in cosequencial?
BHAGWADGITA KE ANUSAR DEV PUJA AUR VED SHASHTRA DHARM NAHIN HAI.AUR BHAGWADGITA KE ANUSAR ISHWAR NIRAKAR HAI.ADHYAY 2.SHLOK.42,43,44,45.ADHYAY 7.SHLOK. 20,21,22,24,25.ADHYAY 9.SHLOK.11,12,20,21,22.
Vyas was not dalit ???? the author has negative IQ vyas is mentioned as Brahmana and his mother was daughter of a king raised by a fisherman
Ancient scriptures were suitable for ancient times, since the world our ancestors lived in, had different factors governing them. But still, there are those who think that these ‘ancient’ scriptures are still relevant in the 21st Century or at least force the people to believe so. Mankind was once an atheist, until someone invented ‘God’. A few centuries later, someone else invented ‘Religion’. All these factors have become a great recipe for ‘Politics’ now. Those who are wise will not allow themselves to be impacted by mundane ideologies.
Rejecting ‘these’ ancient scriptures without reading them is a sign of your ignorance.
The fact is, that the Vedas are not religion but Dharma. It talks about life, code of conduct, philosophy, spirituality. The fact is that it is still as relevant as it was in those times, because even though the world has progressed, human brains and human emotions are still the same.
Also, Vedas don’t really talk about God as a different entity. It talks about Aham Brahmasmi. The fact that everything/everyone whether it’s air animal insect human anything, God is in that. I am God. It’s a question one asks when they are on a spiritual journey. Clearly you are not that evolved yet to seek such answers. Living the rut, without see. These Vedas say, every man can attain nirvana and can chose many paths for the same.
Technically it’s not a religion, but since you gotta call it something you call it one. It’s just Dharma. Simple as that.
I don’t expect you to understand what I’m saying because most ppl on Digital media come with a preconceived notion and would argue but won’t try to see the other ones point of view.
I also understand what you are saying because until 10 yrs back, I was of the same opinion. An Athiest I was. It’s only after I read the Gita(interpretation) and some of these scriptures that I had a tectonic shift of a mindset.
I still not ritualistic, but I do believe that those who wrote/compiled these scriptures were absolutely brilliant geniuses and I’m proud that we have this vast knowledge all around us that the western world cannot even fathom of having.
My little piece of advise, please go and read one thing. Perhaps if not me, then this will change your mind.
Parashara( a Brahmin) a maharishi & Grandson of Vashistha married the daughter of Chedi king Uparichara Vasu (a Kshatriya)
( she was adopted by a fisherman) ,their son is Ved Vyasa
So calling him a Dalit is absurd, what pleasure do these people derive in twisting history ?
Veda Vysa, Valmiki-and Dr Ambedkar stories should prove British lies about indian,history.
Vyasa also like Ravana was born to a Maharishi and thus was a Brahmin by birth. If you believe in varna by karm then also you would find Vyasa to be a Brahmin. Exceptional examples of Brahmins who were not born into brahmin lineage include Rishis like Vishwamitra who attained the Brahmin title by penance. Using modern segregating terms like Dalit(someone who has been oppressed) is a grave insult to Maharishi Vyasa’s legacy who was the father of Vedic written literature. Before writing articles on Vyasa refer to the Vedic texts compiled by him atleast to understand Varna Vyavastha.
No. Ved vyas was Vashisht Brahmin. He was not Dalits.
Valmiki was brahmin he was born as Agni Sharma into brahmin family (practesa). But bhangi Community started using his surname after 1900s after influence of Arya samaj those want to stop Conversion of Dalits. Wake up Dalits.
Ved vyas, Valimki, Hanuman no one was Dalit. Stop fake news
If the Mahabharata is a true historical event then why is it not included in school history text books?
All good but how did you tag a caste to him. I couldn’t find the caste of his father of grand father.
Did “Hinduism” and “caste system by birth” exist at time of Vedavyasa ? ?..
After acheiveing knowledge vedvyasa was brahman …
His mother Satyavati was a kshtriya as she married to Shantanu , the king …
Please donot see ancient times with the tainted lens of present times …
There was no caste system in puranic.
Caste system was created by
Brahmins Aryans.
All these caste propaganda should be banned
Which Dharmacharya said Veda Vyasa was Dalit? Where it is written he was a Dalit? First these scams tried to appropriate Valmiki and now Veda Vyaas. Nonsense Bullshit.
Veda Vyas is Shaakshaath Narayana Himself. His birth did not happen the normal way. He manifested Himself and took leave of His so-called ‘parents’ immediately after birth for penance.Is it possible for a normal child to do so? He did not go schooling to learn any of His bountiful works for the humankind, that the author credits Him with..Is it possible for a normal child? To confine Him in any’caste’ boundary, forgetting the circumstances of His manifestation and His supernatural presence through the Yuga’s, is a disservice to Him.He is the lord supreme
Ved Vyasa is an honorific. There were 27 Ved Vyasas before Krishna Dvaipayan. While the last Ved Vyasa did put the Mahabharata into written words, I would presume that the other prior Ved Vyasas also had a hand in putting down the vast Vedic corpus into a written form.
Hinduism and Bramanism are the culprits in supressing SC/ST s.They have to pay the price and get punished for the atrocities and the offences commited by them for thousands of years.
Even today the offences like rape,killing untouchablity are going on in full swing.
Brilliant !
Hey, you do realise that the word “Dalit” didn’t even exist yet? It was a word created in the 18th century by most likely the Maratha/modern day UP region upper class. Thing is that back then, Shudras were just seen as feudal peasants while Kshatriyas as feudal lords and Brahmins as feudal priests. Social mobility, however, existed and caste eas just a feudal concept, like the entire world did. Even the Kauravas and Panfavas were half shudra, because of their grandmother Satyavati. It was the then the British who institutionised the idea and ruined our Dharma, instead of modernising it. After that we just kept holding on to the stupid idea of it. Atleast as a Bengali I am proud that here no one cares of caste and a Shudra is treated as equally as a Brahmin.
Considering the time spans involved, the same person could not have written the Mahabharata and the Vedas. Even within the Vedas, there is enough evidence suggesting that the Rig Veda is older than the Atharva Veda by a 1000 years or so.
Bible, being recent has been edited countless times.. Let alone Vedas that were more ancient.
And just like those scholars in Christianity couldn’t Understand the real meaning behind Jesus’s words of loving your neighbour, similarly, the meaning u specified in this article of why love your neighbour as per Vedas is equally a joke.
If u want to write spiritual articles, go indepth into those religions, or create a spiritual base for yourself first, before writing articles just for the sake of standing out. This article is nowhere close to even the understanding of spirituality inclined people towards Jesus or Buddha., or any Vedas. If those Vedas were helpful, India wouldn’t have been so backward today…mainly due to casteism. Ambedkar wanted to breakaway from them, and that was his first step to get rid of caste culture. Those Vedas hasn’t helped humankind in any way, which is proved now in our caste based country.
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No hindu has ever looked upto Veda Vyasa as a dalit. He was revered at par with Lord Krishna. But such is the mind of people today they look at everything through caste prism. They want to even divide our Lords our Sages and saints on caste basis.
Ved vyas was not dalit…because in Hindu community a person is know by his father, not mother
He was a brahman son
Mentally bankrupt people every where bring caste and communalism.
He was a Brahmin and not a dalit stop this cultural marxism you print cunts
Ved vyas Was not a dalit he was a Brahmin stop this cultural marxism
How conveniently the concept of Varna ( based on gunas and not based on birth) has been side stepped while creating a false narrative the “lower caste” rising up.
“Vyasa’s accomplishments show that birth and background do not dictate a person’s accomplishments.”
The conclusionshould have been …
The ancient Dharmic society did not constrain a person based on his birth but allowed him to flourish according to his capabilities.
If you think of it, all of the important works when it come to India as a nation were written by non-brahmins such as Ramayana by Valmiki(a Aadivasi), Mahabharata by Vyasa and Constitution by Dr. Ambedkar.
This is a clever but false narrative of “progressive” vedic society.Had the father of vyasa been from a lower community,the entire story would have been different.For a proper interpretation of vedic/puranic society of india in the first millenium BC,one has to look at the story of Satyakama Jabali,Karna or Ekalavya.
The much later Manusmriti and Ramayana period, when cast hierarchies froze and consolidated show the real tragedy of Indian society under Varna and cast regimen.