New Delhi: A panel comprising Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) directors and others has suggested that the institutions should be exempted from adhering to caste-based reservations for faculty appointments, ThePrint has learnt.
In a report submitted to the government in June, the panel notes that IITs should be exempted from reservations because they were “institutes of national importance and are involved in research”.
“Being established and recognised as institutions of national importance under an Act of Parliament, IITs have ought to be listed under (clause 4) of the CEI (Reservation in Teacher’s Cadre) Act 2019, for exemption from reservations,” the report, accessed by ThePrint, states.
“The matter of reservation in these institutes may be vested with their respective Board of Governors to deal with as per board resolutions, statutes and byelaws.”
According to the Clause 4 of the CEI Act, institutions of excellence, research institutions and institutions of national and strategic importance are exempted from granting caste-based reservation in faculty hiring.
At present, eight institutions are listed under the clause — the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research in Mumbai, National Brain Research Centre in Gurgaon, North-Eastern Indira Gandhi Regional Institute of Health and Medical Science in Shillong, Jawaharlal Nehru Centre for Advanced Scientific Research in Bengaluru, Physical Research Laboratory in Ahmedabad, Space Physics Laboratory in Thiruvananthapuram, Indian Institute of Remote Sensing in Dehradun and Homi Bhabha National Institute and all its 10 constituent units in Mumbai.
ThePrint reached the education ministry for a comment on the panel’s report but no response was received till the time of publishing. However, a source in the ministry said, “The report submitted by the IIT panel is being examined, and appropriate action will be taken accordingly.”
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Reservations only for ‘Associate Professor’
The committee gave its suggestions in two parts, noting that if Part A could not be implemented then Part B could be considered.
As an alternative to the first suggestion of complete exemption, the panel recommends that reservation should only be given at the level of Assistant Professor while Associate Professors and Professors should be exempted.
“Vacancies not filled up with adequate representation of SC/ST/OBC/EWS candidates during a year due to the non-availability of suitable candidates of these categories may be allowed to be de-reserved next year with the approval of the appointing authority of faculty positions, i.e. Board of Governors,” the report states.
For attracting suitable PhD candidates from the reserved category, the panel suggests that a two-year “preparatory programme” should be started in the IITs, funded by Department of Social Justice and Empowerment, for aspiring reserved category students.
The committee was formed by the Ministry of Education in April to look into the “effective implementation” of reservation in IITs for the undergraduate, postgraduate and PhD programmes as well as recruitment of faculty and non-faculty.
It consists of IIT Delhi Director Ramagopal Rao, IIT Kanpur Director Abhay Karandikar and secretaries from departments of social justice, tribal affairs and personnel and training.
The committee met twice on 1 May and 12 May via video conference to discuss and deliberate their agenda. They reviewed the earlier orders of the HRD ministry on the subject, looked at the recent communications on following the reservation and examined the practices being adopted by IITs in faculty reservation, to form the report.
Last year in November, the education ministry had written to all IITs, Indian Institutes of Management and Indian Institutes of Science Education and Research to implement reservation in faculty hiring.
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IITs are about merit .Not being amongst top in the world is because research in India doesn’t pay well so they have to work harder to attract talent.Like in China give extra benefit of 10% to less privileged people so that the meritorious ones get a fair chance to study at IITs. Reduce fees for them as well.That will preserve the goals of the institution and provide improvements on the social front as well.After this there can’t be any claim that recruited candidates are bad in any way .
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More than 95% research and teaching staff in IIT are from the forward castes. The entry bar is high, yet for last 70 years they have not been able to produce world class research output. IIT’s are now mostly teaching institutions for engineering students to go abroad or find jobs in corporates. Many of them go for IIM or IAS. It is time to stop heavily subsidising institutions like IIT for either academics or research. The money saved can be used for
primary education, public health and infrastructure development. IIT’s should endeavour to attract more funds from alumni and corporate s to sustain themselves in research activities over time.
Taxes paid by economically well-off SC/ST and OBC should be diverted to the Ministry of Social Justice. A “social diversity fund” should be created by the ministry so that premier national institutes can train and attract more people from reserved categories for positions in academia or research. The same logic could be applied for taxes paid by economically well off women for encouraging more women into academia and research in these premier institutes through the Ministry for Women and Child Welfare.
What is the amount IIT spends on academics and what is the amount they spend on research?
What is the amount they earn from their govt sponsored research (patent royalties etc.) should also made be publicly available. Returns on research funded by govt spent in IIT should be tracked wherever possible by govt for returns on investment.
Maybe government can give extra funding (“social incentive”) to IIT’s for goverment sponsored research projects if they hire more OBC or SC/ST research scholars. That way IIT’s could be incentivised for implementing social justice. It is up to them if they want to have only merit-based research scholars , then they just lose the incentive social funding. For research.
For corporate funded research projects, they can go for merit-based scholars as goverment would not be involved.
IIT’s are funded by taxes from even poorest of the poor. Even the poor people pay GST in our country.
So they are indirectly funded by the poor of India. Moreover they even charge high fees of 2 lpa from UG and PG engineering students. Since they are still by and large teaching institutions not exclusively into research so at least as far as UG and PG courses are concerned they should try to be as representative as possible from the population.
If they are more funded for research by corporates then their case of de-reservation for research scholars is acceptable at least for those projects which are not funded by the government.
Government shall consider completely to stop both the caste based and income wise reservations. Instead measures should be considered to find out the talented students from economically week families and provide scholarships during the period of their entire studies from very start of their education
Income based reservation is also quite unfair. There is a tendency among upper castes to justify this type of reservation instead of caste based reservation.
Higher income earners already pay enough income tax apart from indirect taxes. Their income taxes are part of the funding of public institutions like IIT or JNU. With “income based reservation” the child of an income tax payer has to then face challenges in getting a merit seat in a publicly funded college! This would still be unfair even though at first glance it looks deceptively honourable compared to caste-based reservations.
Maybe government has to create reservations for children of income tax payers. Then more people will come forward to pay income tax !
How to identify who is economically weak?
Many self-employed people in our country do not pay income taxes as they are able to hide their incomes from the government.
For GEN-EWS quota, government identified them as having income up to 8 lakhs per annum. How are they economically weak if someone earns 7.5 lakhs per annum ?
Only small portion of people in our country pay income taxes that too mostly salaried people in organised sector.
Why only faculties?
Why not the students? Many like me bore the disadvantage of being a general candidate student.
Most of reserved candidate students don’t even cope up in IITs.
Female+EWS+OBC+SC+ST, and you have just 32% of unreserved seats only for BTech candidates.
This is the grim situation here.
Qualifying marks for admission into UG courses through IIT JEE advanced 2020:
CRL minimum aggregate marks – 69
OBC minimum aggregate marks – 62
SC/ST minimum aggregate marks – 34
There doesn’t seem to be much difference in terms of qualifying marks to get into IIT between GEN and OBC. In the JEE exam there are many GEN candidates who do not even obtain the SC/ST qualifying marks!
A study showed the percentage of IIT dropouts within the same category for General, OBC, SC & ST is – 2.68%, 2.74%, 3.3% and 4.20%. At least as per this data it shows there are differences
in dropout rates but it is not too significant.
Bhai, look at in different way.
In proportion to population, how.many females are there? Don’t you want your sisters to also get a chance to study in IIT ?
And it’s not true that you cannot have a decent career just because you are not able to graduate from IIT. Many from NIT and state level engineering colleges and private engineering colleges also do quite well in life.
Are you aware that OBC in creamy layer ( economically well off) cannot avail reservation – they have to qualify for admissions in general category only?
In IIT UG admissions, 20% quota for females is supernumerary. GEN-EWS quota of 10% is also supernumerary.
OBC form approx. 40-50% of Indian population, but they avail of only 27% reservation. If I am correct, OBC reservation was introduced in IIT only from 2008 onwards.
So for General Category – males, there is 50% seats available! ( which is way more than the proportion of population you represent) . And still you economically well off Hindu upper caste males want to cry? Think also about Muslims and Christians many who are not economically well off they have to compete with economically well off Hindu upper caste males in the 50% available seats.
Why only faculty, student as well..
Only 50% Seats are Reserved in IIT for 85% for total population (OBC/SC/ST) and they blames SC for theirs failure.
What happens with 50% Seats of General. According to government they are Deserving what is their performance? Why there is not aware still?
Do whatever you want with Reservation.
Now I’m being SC haunted by Reservation. I can fight with open seats.
But Interview should be removed also.
Nepotism/Castism/Groupism should be removed too.
They killed more Merits than Reservation for more than 3000 years.
Stop asking Name/Caste in Interview use Code name only.
And Hardest law against Nepotism/Groupism/Castism/Racism
Death penality for Rapes/Caste Killings/Honour killings
Economical Support to Poors
Implement all it will benifits you also
And we SC,ST will leave Reservation
Agree or not?
What a farce! the iits are trying to blame the lower caste for their own incompetence. This is called caste based discrimination!
It is true that the researches and citation rates produced by iits are very low compared to Chinese universities, even though our population or human resources are comparable. This is not appreciable if we claim to be an emerging superpower.
This incompetence is the result of the policies of the government towards educational institutions an research. (i mean, who else is responsible, tell me?) .
A large portion of Indian population are eligible for caste based reservations. The claim that you can’t find enough capable people among them is absolutely absurd!
You should have complained against them to the higher authorities. They may do something on their own scale. Still Feeling sad seeing the situation of our society. And one more thing if it is removed may be most of you people won’t even get a chance to sit in interview. So people from general category will have their way clear. Isn’t I am right.
What a farce! The iits want to hide their incompetence by blaming the lower caste as the reason for inferior research rates. This is called caste based discrimination.
India has population comparable to China, yet the quality of research and citation rates are very inferior than that of China. This is not appreciable if we claim of being an emerging superpower.
Firstly, government must fund researches appropriately and encourage utilizing facilities set up to it’s full extent.
If quality of researchers are low for top institutes in the country, then that is the failure of education policies and environments in these institutes. I mean a large portion of Indian population is eligible for caste based reservations. To claim that the best among them aren’t capable of conducting quality research is absolutely absurd.
If it is a farce, why is the reservation required? Swalpa common sense beku.
As IITs are public institutions, they should be transparent regarding their assessment, interview and selection procedures for science/engineering faculty and research. This de-reservation proposal should not apply to other departments in IIT like humanities, management etc.
Many OBC engineers do well in the IIT JEE exams including getting top ranks. Therefore data is needed from IIT’s and NIT’s regarding academic performance of reserved category students in UG and PG. Also how many reserved category students doing UG in IIT go on to do PG or PhD at IIT. These data might yield some insights.
Very good decision and must be implemented by the government.
Let them stop B.Tech courses and then claim to be research institutes and then seek exemptions.
Very good decision
Educated and cultured people should hate caste religion etc. that discriminate man to man, only ability should be counted, there is no respect in begging under the name of caste religion language etc.
So that they can have all bramhins there. Merit? My foot! Read out the definition of merit by Supreme court. These people don’t have the merit to understand the definition of merit itself.
Yes iim and iit are institutes of gutter importance ,their directors sale konsa kuch ukhad liya ya koi bda kaam kiya..khud sale sifarish se director bne hai aur judge krte hai talent ko..hahaha …bhai inko lgta hai ki sc st ka bnda kuch kr nahi skta ..salo kuch krne do tab pta chalega..darte hai ki sc st ka bnda hmse aage na nikal jaye..ye sale khud paise sifarsh dekar iim iit ke directors bne hai
Iit me research k nam sirf khana purti hota h kuchh log real me talented h unko respect lekin wakiyeo ko kya koi bh iit ke professor aaj tak Nobel nh jit paya h esi se soch lo kitna talented h aur national importance h
None superior or inferior by birth/ janam /jati but one’s deeds /education / status make so. Equal participation of all socially & educationally is must for prousparity & destruction of disparity / discrimination as cheats/ haramkhor with some or other lame excuses shall come forward to plead own & their children favour as they have been doing since construction of baseless unscientific manusmarti brunt by the greatest Indian Baba saheb Ambedkar 100years back .
So, everyone should pay same fee?
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Good suggestion government should implement this. There are many caste which are really backward but it’s really hard to “force” correct the wrongs of past, We need representation of every community in every field but it should not at some cost or compromises. Also we should revise the caste based reservation and give more opportunities to avail benefits of reservation to those castes which never benefitted from this.
Every there was a report in ThePrint itself which says that around 50% reservation benefits are availed by only 1% OBC castes.
So, first let everyone get benefitted from this atleast once and than study about the situation and effects. Because if current system is kept going then there will be Backward castes in “Backward Cates”, because only few will be benefitted from it over and over again and many will and still are living just same as before ambedkar’s reforms
Is there any study availabke which shows only few OBC castes benefit from reservation? I think OBC castes with large populations and therefore adequate political representation are the ones creaming away the OBC benefits in both academics and govt jobs. Time to also look at smaller OBC castes which do not have political heft and support them so that OBC reservation genuinely benefits all OBC castes in a proportional manner. But data for this purpose needs to be collected by social scientists and shared widely so that government can focus the OBC benefits more precisely.
Are Ye iim Vale faculty Kya select krenge ye toh SC category ko phd krane se bhi darte hain i applied for PhD admission in iim Amritsar for PhD admission they asked me these questions in PhD
Do you read?
What are your interests other than studies
It was PhD interview of iim Amritsar complete discrimination in iim while admission. They completely degraded me in interview because I belong to SC category hum log apne according answer bhi Nhi likh sakte apne thoughts ko bhi express Nhi kr sakte they are not Institute of national importance these are Institute of gutter importance. Instead of spreading Equality they are spreading castism in students. Their interviewer can easily provoke someone to commit suicide. Iim are suicide cell. This all happened to me that’s why I am saying.
No proper seat matrix no PhD ordinance they only considered reserve category form during form filling or don’t want to give us chance in admission why because I belong to SC category itna discrimination ye bhagwan h Kya biased teachers interviewers of iim’s mujhe kisi suspense case ki Tarah treat kiya inhone iim Amritsar valon ne ragging type interview 012 make a two digit number ye sab tha PhD interview m. Iim Amritsar one of the worst Institute panelists discrimate or harass during interview biased teachers kis development & Equality ki baaat krte h Kya reserve category K log insaan Nhi hote hume right Nhi h to move forward in life .we want justice iit iim Nhi toh reserve category K log foreign universities m pdhate h . Mujhe ye dikha Diya that I am worthless
I am hopeless I can’t do anything vo dr vartika dutta iim Amritsar ki vo krle phd 40 years ki age m dsure ki life ko khicdi bolti h vase bhi there is a trend they want experienced people what about freshers like us. We want justice………
I belong to reserve category applied for the PhD in interview they asked me do you read & what are your interests other than studies t was PhD interview of iim why this discrimination no proper PhD ordinance no proper seat matrix they only considered our application form but don’t want to give chance while admission why because I belong to category. They think Institute of national importance these institutes are of gutter importance what they have just fake name & fame . Hum log kitna bhi accha interview deden fir bhi Hume chance nhi milta Hume interview m jalil kiya jata h I want to share the name of that particular Institute iim Amritsar I applied for PhD admission in 2020 mujhe itna jalil kiya gya in that interview make a 2 digit number 012 es Tarah K questions puchkr .they treated me as suspense case hum log answer m apne thoughts Nhi Nhi likh sakte. Agar admission Nhi Dena toh application form kyun select krte Ho even gents member of that particular panelists Like all this when the ladies member mujhe humiliate kr rhi thi she was humiliating me in all interview .kya reserve candidate merit m aane K baad bhi admission Nhi Ho sakta kyun ? Hum SC h isi liye bas. Iit & iim they are bocus Institute. They are only making money. Itna discrimination iim’s mein their teachers can easily provoke someone to commit suicide. They are suicide cells vo pehle hi deal kr kr rakhte h ki kis student ko Lena h than what about other students. Loss of money loss of self respect ragging type interview for SC students I am personal victim of this.
After reading this…
I’m thinking like why I’m born here??????…
In past there was not given even a scope for being educated and the same Scenario repeat again… It’s make me realising the film about -ARASHYAAN?
In the face of rampant caste based discriminations at every level of society coupled with caste politics its near impossible for any merit based system to give same opportunity to lower caste person against upper caste person, I seriously doubt that. However, if IITs and IIMs under empowered UGC/AICTE check discrimination actively and penalize those found guilty than it is relatively possible but that is not gonna happen as every institution in the country is compromised.
Iim is of gutter importance no chance to SC category for PhD humliation their teachers can easily provoke someone to commit suicide ragging type interview asked silly questions for harass student why because I belong to SC category personaly suffered from all this iim Amritsar worst Institute
Miss 1st thing , ye IIT hai not IIM,
2nd this always happens in iim interviews iim wale sbse phla swaal yhi poochte or iska mtlb aap literary interests kya hain , ye hai na ki aap pde likhe hain ye .
No educated person ever discriminates based on caste we might belong to one caste but that doesn’t make us any less or more Indian.
Please don’t blame them , Iimis a prestigious institution and sees your worth not caste per say
I am curious, but can you tell us what questions they asked? Asking what you are interested in other than studies is common.
Now wait for the venomous attack from Shri DK Mandal and Smt Jyoti Yadav.
You are right , ye log meritorious logon ko jeene nhi dete , hr jagah vo cheap reservation politics se lower marks walo ko preference dete