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What you write or advice here, does not count as difference of opinion. He is what we, the country needs, and certainly he is not a blot, not sure about you though.. Just because you have served nation, does not make your words gospel. You are no one to decide on who is a blot based on your narrow perception of so-called right and wrong.
Panag has been a pain in the wrong place for many a people in the Army and continues to do so even after his retirement. Please Ignore him for his grey head
What requires to be investigated is the underlying motive for Gen.Panag’s outburst. The old man is now devising new strategies for modern warfare !
Let the active men in the field decide the way a life threatening situation be resolved and not those in rocking chairs in the comfort of their protected environ.
I appreciate Gen Panag’s honesty. Dar was not a stone pelter as the grapevine media says to justify the wrong action by the Army. He was confirmed to be one of the very few voters and was returning after casting his vote. It is an irony that the officer Gogoi was rewarded for the public humiliation of an innocent local citizen but punished for befriending with a local person. I didn’t know that indian Army still follows the colonial traditions
All those criticizing the army for the human shield case, can they give any other alternative of what Major Gogoi did? He had only a few minutes to think how to save the govt personals trapped and also to not kill a single person in the wild mob.
If Gogoi did not do that, the polling officials would have been lynched by the crowd. Remember that the polling was only 5%. Gogoi did a wonderful thing, and that was the only maneuver to reduce casualty. If he tried to go without a human shield he would not have reached the polling station at the right time, because stone pelting ;would have slowed down Gigoi’s party.
This retired general has never faced such a situation on ground.These generals Climb the ladder with ground SOLDIERING of officers like Maj Gogoi and when some acts of ground SOLDIERING are not well taken by ill informed political bosses,these Generals take a U turn and take stupid decisions.
What a feat! The Print has been able to enrol a disgruntled and cribbing gen to brow beat services with negative tirade as usual. Does not The Print know that in Islam stoning is recommended to kill enemy. So if stone pelters consider army personnel enemy so what is option left for army to act? Gen has failed to suggest any even during his stay at Northern Condom. In any case all these civ are armed with deadly stones. Once any one is armed he can not claim any human rights. Men in uñiform performing ardent task of defending national interest do also carry human right. There is no dilution or break of ethos by Man Gogoi against enemy like action by stone pelters to save EC personnel and to perform given task. For whom The Print and Gen are waiting for, to file a PIL.
If both feel so strong about do that!
People like gen panag are retrograde ,detrimental to the progress of the organization ,to busy in ego conflicts ,sadly but there are such people in the organization ,and let us not talk about his personal life ..this dissatisfaction is coming from there
Standard operating procedures ..can anyone explain to the stone pelters? ? If someone explains ..can they listen?? We should explain our thoughts in their language ..then only they will know ..our major did it perfectly in their way by tieing those anti nationals in front of jeep..
In a precarious situation Major Gogoi had taken the right decision by tying the stonepeltet in front of his geep is a good decision thereby saving the lives of his men from the stone pelters.Army chief has commended his actions, which is a welcome sign. Long live our Jawans.
Stone pelting by crowds is one of the methods of annihiliating the enemy in Islam. Hamas picked it up directly from hadith against jewish Isreal. Kashmiris adapted it from Hamas against so called Hindu India.
Choice is clear. Fight the leathal stone pelters with thier own weapons, that is human beings. Human shield of Stone pelting kashmiris is only effective strategy against this menace.
Major Gagio needs to be complimented for inventing a counter war doctrine.
Care should be taken, pick up the pelters or sangbaazs from the crowd itself. Do not pick boys from homes. If girls are there use women soldiers to make them human shield.
Govt should enact a hybrid war law on this.
If this law falls foul against FRs.
Seek exceptions. One side folowing law, the other lawless. What an asymmetrical war is it.
It’s sad that this subject of human shield has become a national issue. We have virtually made a mountain of a mole hill. Maj Gogoi would have been accountable if that fellow, who was tied to his jeep would have been an innocent fellow. But the fact is, he was one of the stone pelters. Moreover whatever Maj Gogoi had done was a decision taken at the spur of the moment. It was not a pre planned or pre mediated action… He was tasked to extricate the ITBP men who had got sorrounded. To pass through these stone pelters and extricate these ITBP men, when he was not permitted to open fire , definitely it was a very wise decision. Otherwise how could he pass through the hostile mob pelting stones ? Tactics in field is nothing but human ingenunity. Military history testifies it. .After all what else he could do ? Please also understand, all is fair in love and war.. It is therefore pathetic we are punishing a young officer.. ..What is most disconcerting the present army Chief , Gen Bipin Rawat has openly upheld Maj Gogoi punishment.. ….I am also an ex army officer. Gen Bipin Rawat is more of DISGRACE to the institution of Indian Army. Instead of supporting his young officer, he is more given to getting political accolades for himself. .. After all Gen Rawat had superseded a few seniors when being appointed as Chief. How it happpened, should we mention it, for it embrass Mr Ajit Doval.. ? In any case Gen Rawat has now proved his worthlessness.. My only fear is , the army in India is a British legacy. It should not get “Indianized” owing to these political interferences. …. Just a few days back , the Indian army has been nicknamed as “Modi Army” by Shri Aditya Yoginath.
In any case I have my all sympathies & support for Maj Gogoi.
Request to all to do some fact finding before clicking down your vengeant emotions for entertainment of entire world
making mockery of IA and the nation.
Large No of ppl do not know who was the real Army Cdr…CS Panag or HS Panag.
Please check your facts before becoming clikfree soldiers.
I don’t know army rules, Major Gogoi is the right person for the post of ‘Chief of the Army staff ‘ coz he knows how to win the war. He should be Next after Gen. Rawat.
Most of us have tendency of viewing facts through wrong context lens, General Panag is no different. Arm chair operational control seems to be favourite national pass time. Though there is a framework which governs the operational response of tactical teams in most situations, but every once in a while a tactical team is faced with situation outside the framework. It’s at times like these, that a tactical team commander needs to improvise to survive. Situation faced by Major Gogoi was one such situation, and what he did or did not do is beyond the scope of Arm Chair Commanders. Period.
gen panag has been cribbing all along against Major Gogoi, when he in a feat of exemplary courage saved the EC staff and ITBP personnel from the wrath of the marauding, savage, blood thirsty stone pelters. what would have this shameless general said if Major Gogoi had opened fire in self defence and killed some of the nasty stone pelters. Panag would have still vilified the heroic major and accused him of murdering innocent youths. Panag seems to be having a dangerous agenda in slandering those in the line of duty.
On one hand we say everything is fair in love and war. The Indian army is facing a constant warlike situation in J&K since 1989. The civil administration has put its hands up and handed over the situation to the army. Now leave the situation to the men on the spot to deal with such situations as deemed fit. The end result only matters. It is easier to criticise some actions taken in the heat of the moment. If it has paid off , give due credit and stop becoming a paper tiger sitting in an AC environment and with the benefit of a hindsight.
If The Print can handle the stone pelters then raise fingers on Major. Also why u r so silent on Pakistan terror, kashmiri Pandits and on the bad condition of Pakistani Hindus.
I completely agree with Mr Srinivasan. Maj Gogoi formula of dealing with stone peltors and saving the government officials was a show of gutts and presence of mind in that situation. Iam proud of his act.
General using a stone pelter as a human shield seems to have been the only way out from a situation which was ripe for blood shed. I think the choice was of choosing between two evils. One being with virtually assured bloodshed and the other probably blood free but morally incorrect. What would you have chosen?
Couldn’t have agreed more Sir. The human shield case is a blot on the ethos and traditions of Indian Army. I was even more saddened to see that Maj. Gogoi addressed the media, and that the table used during the media briefing had an tablecloth with the RR emblem on it. It was like the entire force legitimizing his actions. Also, the award of a Commendation Card was a knee jerk reaction and short sightedness on part of the COAS, came across to me that he was playing into the hands of jingoists.
In doing this what the officer himself and the current top brass if the Army as well as political leadership, and all the common folks cheering him, do not realize is that through his one small action we risk losing the narrative. We have taken great pains to win the hearts and minds of the locals, this one action can alienate us altogether. On the contrary it will give more ammo to Pakistan and its supporters, who have been trying to build a narrative of Indian Army as an occupation force. Kind of “winning the battle, losing the War” I say.
You can never win war with Islam .all european city is doomed .now your pastor are moulvi. You are only think from religious angle that’s why u support this general . Fact is that the day hindu buffer is vanished. They will turn and onslaught you . Just like there is no Christain in Islamic country.
What would you do if your family was involved or in danger?
Did this Preacher really served army??? What the hell.. Human shield s the best thing that the great Indian army cud hav ever done to control, ruthless, uncultured, antinational Kashmiris.. i whole heartedly appreciate it. M sure this person has beem bribed by antinationals. Else these statements wudnt even have come so shamelessly
Seniority or no seniority to Major Gogoi is another matter. The fact remains that using a human shield, who was also a culprit, against stone pelters to confuse them and also to save the life of trapped ITBP soldiers was a brilliant out of the box solution. Major Gogoi shall always be remembered for this act.
I am shocked he became a Lt Gen ! How he cried in front of all officers when he was shunted out of Northern Comd , all offrs in NC know that , he openly criticised the Chief infront of offrs during his address at Leh. He should have been Court martialled !
I don’t want to comment further on his handling of his personal life . We know that too well . May God give him wisdom to be real not fake .
It is written…Election commission officers were being saved….. Major could have followed SOP…And then faced…Not enough was done to save election commission officer.
First decide what the Govt wants…Saving it’s own officers or stone Peters.
It’s easy. Give 6-months seniority for the human shield and take away 6-months seniority for the hotel Mamta incident. This way the Major is not harmed. Otherwise, allow the Major to stand for elections from anywhere.
The writer is a real enemy of our nation. We need to be careful from this opportunist greedy traitors. They can’t even think of such a situation which was handled by Maj Gogoi so cleverly. Actually we need to tie person like him to vehicle and move around stone Pelters.
And this Retd. General needs to think a lot before giving such comment…It is sure, he never faced such situation as an young officer.
General, Do you have any idea how to deal with a stone pelting mob by our security forces? Unfortunately there was no stone pelting when you were a young officer. Don’t preach, give a solution to this malady facing our brave soldiers on the ground. As GOC in C, Northern Command, you were an influencial man. What was your contribution to ensuring that we don’t get to this situation?
Srinivas
Asking someone who has served 40yrs in army in different ranks? U must be kidding.
Don’t get blinded by jingoistic nationalism to support a wrong.
Sayed…just don’t say in favour of a stone pelter bcz you both belong to same religion. I’m sure if the pelter would have been Hindu, your comment would have been different.
There are many people who has served army and don’t concur with this general .thanks.
Request to all to do some fact finding before clicking down your vengeant emotions for entertainment of entire world
making mockery of IA and the nation.
Large No of ppl do not know who was the real Army Cdr…CS Panag or HS Panag.
Please check your facts before becoming clikfree soldiers.
You must be an ignorant ass. This general is a joker who survived Army without seeing any real action and only using his contacts for safe hideouts.
His brother was GOC in C Northern Comd and not the author of this absurd rubbish article .
What you write or advice here, does not count as difference of opinion. He is what we, the country needs, and certainly he is not a blot, not sure about you though.. Just because you have served nation, does not make your words gospel. You are no one to decide on who is a blot based on your narrow perception of so-called right and wrong.
Panag has been a pain in the wrong place for many a people in the Army and continues to do so even after his retirement. Please Ignore him for his grey head
What requires to be investigated is the underlying motive for Gen.Panag’s outburst. The old man is now devising new strategies for modern warfare !
Let the active men in the field decide the way a life threatening situation be resolved and not those in rocking chairs in the comfort of their protected environ.
I appreciate Gen Panag’s honesty. Dar was not a stone pelter as the grapevine media says to justify the wrong action by the Army. He was confirmed to be one of the very few voters and was returning after casting his vote. It is an irony that the officer Gogoi was rewarded for the public humiliation of an innocent local citizen but punished for befriending with a local person. I didn’t know that indian Army still follows the colonial traditions
All those criticizing the army for the human shield case, can they give any other alternative of what Major Gogoi did? He had only a few minutes to think how to save the govt personals trapped and also to not kill a single person in the wild mob.
If Gogoi did not do that, the polling officials would have been lynched by the crowd. Remember that the polling was only 5%. Gogoi did a wonderful thing, and that was the only maneuver to reduce casualty. If he tried to go without a human shield he would not have reached the polling station at the right time, because stone pelting ;would have slowed down Gigoi’s party.
This retired general has never faced such a situation on ground.These generals Climb the ladder with ground SOLDIERING of officers like Maj Gogoi and when some acts of ground SOLDIERING are not well taken by ill informed political bosses,these Generals take a U turn and take stupid decisions.
What a feat! The Print has been able to enrol a disgruntled and cribbing gen to brow beat services with negative tirade as usual. Does not The Print know that in Islam stoning is recommended to kill enemy. So if stone pelters consider army personnel enemy so what is option left for army to act? Gen has failed to suggest any even during his stay at Northern Condom. In any case all these civ are armed with deadly stones. Once any one is armed he can not claim any human rights. Men in uñiform performing ardent task of defending national interest do also carry human right. There is no dilution or break of ethos by Man Gogoi against enemy like action by stone pelters to save EC personnel and to perform given task. For whom The Print and Gen are waiting for, to file a PIL.
If both feel so strong about do that!
People like gen panag are retrograde ,detrimental to the progress of the organization ,to busy in ego conflicts ,sadly but there are such people in the organization ,and let us not talk about his personal life ..this dissatisfaction is coming from there
Standard operating procedures ..can anyone explain to the stone pelters? ? If someone explains ..can they listen?? We should explain our thoughts in their language ..then only they will know ..our major did it perfectly in their way by tieing those anti nationals in front of jeep..
In a precarious situation Major Gogoi had taken the right decision by tying the stonepeltet in front of his geep is a good decision thereby saving the lives of his men from the stone pelters.Army chief has commended his actions, which is a welcome sign. Long live our Jawans.
Stone pelting by crowds is one of the methods of annihiliating the enemy in Islam. Hamas picked it up directly from hadith against jewish Isreal. Kashmiris adapted it from Hamas against so called Hindu India.
Choice is clear. Fight the leathal stone pelters with thier own weapons, that is human beings. Human shield of Stone pelting kashmiris is only effective strategy against this menace.
Major Gagio needs to be complimented for inventing a counter war doctrine.
Care should be taken, pick up the pelters or sangbaazs from the crowd itself. Do not pick boys from homes. If girls are there use women soldiers to make them human shield.
Govt should enact a hybrid war law on this.
If this law falls foul against FRs.
Seek exceptions. One side folowing law, the other lawless. What an asymmetrical war is it.
It’s sad that this subject of human shield has become a national issue. We have virtually made a mountain of a mole hill. Maj Gogoi would have been accountable if that fellow, who was tied to his jeep would have been an innocent fellow. But the fact is, he was one of the stone pelters. Moreover whatever Maj Gogoi had done was a decision taken at the spur of the moment. It was not a pre planned or pre mediated action… He was tasked to extricate the ITBP men who had got sorrounded. To pass through these stone pelters and extricate these ITBP men, when he was not permitted to open fire , definitely it was a very wise decision. Otherwise how could he pass through the hostile mob pelting stones ? Tactics in field is nothing but human ingenunity. Military history testifies it. .After all what else he could do ? Please also understand, all is fair in love and war.. It is therefore pathetic we are punishing a young officer.. ..What is most disconcerting the present army Chief , Gen Bipin Rawat has openly upheld Maj Gogoi punishment.. ….I am also an ex army officer. Gen Bipin Rawat is more of DISGRACE to the institution of Indian Army. Instead of supporting his young officer, he is more given to getting political accolades for himself. .. After all Gen Rawat had superseded a few seniors when being appointed as Chief. How it happpened, should we mention it, for it embrass Mr Ajit Doval.. ? In any case Gen Rawat has now proved his worthlessness.. My only fear is , the army in India is a British legacy. It should not get “Indianized” owing to these political interferences. …. Just a few days back , the Indian army has been nicknamed as “Modi Army” by Shri Aditya Yoginath.
In any case I have my all sympathies & support for Maj Gogoi.
Request to all to do some fact finding before clicking down your vengeant emotions for entertainment of entire world
making mockery of IA and the nation.
Large No of ppl do not know who was the real Army Cdr…CS Panag or HS Panag.
Please check your facts before becoming clikfree soldiers.
I don’t know army rules, Major Gogoi is the right person for the post of ‘Chief of the Army staff ‘ coz he knows how to win the war. He should be Next after Gen. Rawat.
Most of us have tendency of viewing facts through wrong context lens, General Panag is no different. Arm chair operational control seems to be favourite national pass time. Though there is a framework which governs the operational response of tactical teams in most situations, but every once in a while a tactical team is faced with situation outside the framework. It’s at times like these, that a tactical team commander needs to improvise to survive. Situation faced by Major Gogoi was one such situation, and what he did or did not do is beyond the scope of Arm Chair Commanders. Period.
What have you done with my comment.Should I suspect you of extra territorial loyalties, supporting jihadis????
gen panag has been cribbing all along against Major Gogoi, when he in a feat of exemplary courage saved the EC staff and ITBP personnel from the wrath of the marauding, savage, blood thirsty stone pelters. what would have this shameless general said if Major Gogoi had opened fire in self defence and killed some of the nasty stone pelters. Panag would have still vilified the heroic major and accused him of murdering innocent youths. Panag seems to be having a dangerous agenda in slandering those in the line of duty.
A fake person. He made mockery of himself as a general troubling officers wherever he went. A stupid person.
On one hand we say everything is fair in love and war. The Indian army is facing a constant warlike situation in J&K since 1989. The civil administration has put its hands up and handed over the situation to the army. Now leave the situation to the men on the spot to deal with such situations as deemed fit. The end result only matters. It is easier to criticise some actions taken in the heat of the moment. If it has paid off , give due credit and stop becoming a paper tiger sitting in an AC environment and with the benefit of a hindsight.
This General is an unstable freeloader. Khalistani sentiments. No one likes him in the Army
If The Print can handle the stone pelters then raise fingers on Major. Also why u r so silent on Pakistan terror, kashmiri Pandits and on the bad condition of Pakistani Hindus.
I completely agree with Mr Srinivasan. Maj Gogoi formula of dealing with stone peltors and saving the government officials was a show of gutts and presence of mind in that situation. Iam proud of his act.
General using a stone pelter as a human shield seems to have been the only way out from a situation which was ripe for blood shed. I think the choice was of choosing between two evils. One being with virtually assured bloodshed and the other probably blood free but morally incorrect. What would you have chosen?
Couldn’t have agreed more Sir. The human shield case is a blot on the ethos and traditions of Indian Army. I was even more saddened to see that Maj. Gogoi addressed the media, and that the table used during the media briefing had an tablecloth with the RR emblem on it. It was like the entire force legitimizing his actions. Also, the award of a Commendation Card was a knee jerk reaction and short sightedness on part of the COAS, came across to me that he was playing into the hands of jingoists.
In doing this what the officer himself and the current top brass if the Army as well as political leadership, and all the common folks cheering him, do not realize is that through his one small action we risk losing the narrative. We have taken great pains to win the hearts and minds of the locals, this one action can alienate us altogether. On the contrary it will give more ammo to Pakistan and its supporters, who have been trying to build a narrative of Indian Army as an occupation force. Kind of “winning the battle, losing the War” I say.
You can never win war with Islam .all european city is doomed .now your pastor are moulvi. You are only think from religious angle that’s why u support this general . Fact is that the day hindu buffer is vanished. They will turn and onslaught you . Just like there is no Christain in Islamic country.
What would you do if your family was involved or in danger?
Did this Preacher really served army??? What the hell.. Human shield s the best thing that the great Indian army cud hav ever done to control, ruthless, uncultured, antinational Kashmiris.. i whole heartedly appreciate it. M sure this person has beem bribed by antinationals. Else these statements wudnt even have come so shamelessly
Seniority or no seniority to Major Gogoi is another matter. The fact remains that using a human shield, who was also a culprit, against stone pelters to confuse them and also to save the life of trapped ITBP soldiers was a brilliant out of the box solution. Major Gogoi shall always be remembered for this act.
I am shocked he became a Lt Gen ! How he cried in front of all officers when he was shunted out of Northern Comd , all offrs in NC know that , he openly criticised the Chief infront of offrs during his address at Leh. He should have been Court martialled !
I don’t want to comment further on his handling of his personal life . We know that too well . May God give him wisdom to be real not fake .
It is written…Election commission officers were being saved….. Major could have followed SOP…And then faced…Not enough was done to save election commission officer.
First decide what the Govt wants…Saving it’s own officers or stone Peters.
It’s easy. Give 6-months seniority for the human shield and take away 6-months seniority for the hotel Mamta incident. This way the Major is not harmed. Otherwise, allow the Major to stand for elections from anywhere.
The writer is a real enemy of our nation. We need to be careful from this opportunist greedy traitors. They can’t even think of such a situation which was handled by Maj Gogoi so cleverly. Actually we need to tie person like him to vehicle and move around stone Pelters.
And this Retd. General needs to think a lot before giving such comment…It is sure, he never faced such situation as an young officer.
Commendation Card toh waapis le lijiye.
General, Do you have any idea how to deal with a stone pelting mob by our security forces? Unfortunately there was no stone pelting when you were a young officer. Don’t preach, give a solution to this malady facing our brave soldiers on the ground. As GOC in C, Northern Command, you were an influencial man. What was your contribution to ensuring that we don’t get to this situation?
Srinivas
Asking someone who has served 40yrs in army in different ranks? U must be kidding.
Don’t get blinded by jingoistic nationalism to support a wrong.
Sayed…just don’t say in favour of a stone pelter bcz you both belong to same religion. I’m sure if the pelter would have been Hindu, your comment would have been different.
There are many people who has served army and don’t concur with this general .thanks.
Request to all to do some fact finding before clicking down your vengeant emotions for entertainment of entire world
making mockery of IA and the nation.
Large No of ppl do not know who was the real Army Cdr…CS Panag or HS Panag.
Please check your facts before becoming clikfree soldiers.
You must be an ignorant ass. This general is a joker who survived Army without seeing any real action and only using his contacts for safe hideouts.
His brother was GOC in C Northern Comd and not the author of this absurd rubbish article .