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Sir, the accompanying maps should hv been better annotated. All places mentioned in the article should hv been shown in the maps.
Well written. Govt does not want to suffer embarrassment. The disengagement should hv commenced from Depsang. It could be that Chinese threat in Depsang made us capitulate and hand over Kailash Range. It is quite obvious that having failed to manage Covid situation , 56″ does not want to be further dented by accepting that we failed to make Chinese withdraw. Hence making public believe that we achieved what we wanted to. Media doesn’t raise questions. Opposition is badly decimated. He can get away with this. It will be another legacy like those of past. But it is too bad.
Very well written like always.
We can’t trust press any more , as they can play into anyone’s hands . Truth Is that India stood firm , paying price for that in higher taxation. Political strength is given . Looks like China is trying to gain some advantage through friendly journolists
Time looks not good now, what China stole us not good for them they are cunning let the time come to show the same taste to them. Government should give genuine briefing to the public to decide how current generation and coming generations should treat Chines.
Time looks not good now, what China stole us not good for them they are cunning let the time come to show the same taste to them. Government should give genuine briefing to the public to decide how current generation and coming generations should treat Chines.
That India did not use the Kailash Ridge “Ace” to finesse the Gogra and Hot Springs King and Queen tell us the Indian Govt is playing a double game to appease both China and the Indian voters.
A barebone expression of truth! I like the articles by LT GEN H S PANAG (RETD) as it tells the truth how bitter that might be!
Yes, China has trespassed into Indian territory in Depsang plains, Gogra-Hot Springs area and is not budging, nor is it allowing Indian patrol. But how come China came there in the first place. China came there when India was not alert and has very less border patrol in those areas. The primary reason is that India’s infrastructure was not at all developed when the Chinese came there.
There is another bigger truth. China came there because of Mao’s one-China policy under which it occupied Tibet and it assumed all of Aksai Chin as part of Tibet. It all happened in 1950-52 and India was not aware. Only after China built the road and related infrastructure, India thought of telling China that it is India’s territory. But another bitter truth is that India had neither placed any border patrol, nor occupied it; It was barren land where not even grass is grown.
So what can be done now! India has to improve its infrastructure to such a level that it can attract tourists every year. It is untenable for the Chinese public to visit localities near the LAC as it’s too far. The only place they visit is Lhasa or the Everest. But for Indians it’s not only tenable, it is beneficial.
Oh General!…… your main focus is to needle the government and very unpleasant to note that some of the commanders on the LAC were your colleagues or senior only a few years back. You should be mindful of that.
Now Indian forces are fully built up in all areas to the same level as Chinese are hence any move by Chinese will be met with their death and destruction. You probably know it better that your colleagues surprised and embarrassed the Chinese on Aug 29/30 last year. They can still do it again, if Chinese are very aggressive. You, who has been a commander in the area know it better, hence hold off on your views and criticism. It is unbecoming of a retired commander to be critical of colleagues you left behind.
Stopping imports from China idea was toyed last year but was not carried thru. The merchants in India went to China and bought $80 billion of stuff in-spite of Chinese behaviour at LAC. I think that to force the merchants buy locally, any imports from China should be 50% to 100% taxed as it arrives in India. That will force the importers to look internally first.
China has lit a fire which will now never extinguish.
Enmity of India is something China is going to face in very serious ways.
Ofcourse today they can afford to ignore India’s concerns. But we can develop our capabilities and partnerships with resolve and reply effectively at a time and place of our choice.
Let us resolve never to forget and never to forgive
Stop all trade With China.
Selling of Chinese goods shud be made a Criminal offense punishable with jail term.
This will create more jobs for Indians.
China has robbed the employment opportunities in other countries and later threatening most of the countries to show they are a super power.
If Chinese Is Not Understanding The GOI Language It Is Best Our Armed Forces Speak In Their Language.Let There Be No Further Pullbacks And Reoccupy The Heights.
With due respect, Sir your views are unidimensional:
– Chinese aim was to subdue India by capturing territory, give a message to our neighbours that India is unlikely to defend them in the face of Chinese aggression since it can’t defend its own borders, ensure that India kowtows to Chinese geo strategic positions wrt to USA and the border settlement will be India’s reward.
– China got an unexpectedly strong Indian response, got it’s tech banned from India, fundamentally changed India’s position to being somewhat neutral to being the the American corner and also drove up India’s military modernisation program in top gear.
– arguably the Chinese lost on most counts. This was due to both the military response and asymmetric tactics adopted by the govt
– yes, we may not have achieved full disengagement/desecalation, but that would be looking at things only from a military point of view and would be like missing the woods for the trees on the larger strategic picture
– India should infact prolong disengagement as much as possible and build all our military infrastructure required in the area as any future agreement may require us to stop building infra and thus putting us at a disadvantage.
Beautifully explained sir.
DBO looks like on borrowed time. Before next elections, this too would be likely to be addressed by China. That would be their way to put across their point.
Really don’t understand what Mr. Panag was doing when he was the head of the Northern Command. Only if skills in writing could translate to action on the the ground during his career, or has he had a brainwave after retirement and has suddenly become an expert on tactical affairs ??? Or is it his career as an AAP member that rejuvenated his mind ?? ??
Sir, the accompanying maps should hv been better annotated. All places mentioned in the article should hv been shown in the maps.
Well written. Govt does not want to suffer embarrassment. The disengagement should hv commenced from Depsang. It could be that Chinese threat in Depsang made us capitulate and hand over Kailash Range. It is quite obvious that having failed to manage Covid situation , 56″ does not want to be further dented by accepting that we failed to make Chinese withdraw. Hence making public believe that we achieved what we wanted to. Media doesn’t raise questions. Opposition is badly decimated. He can get away with this. It will be another legacy like those of past. But it is too bad.
Very well written like always.
Let us accept that china conquered indian territory.
Let us also be prepared for further chinese conquest of arinachsl oradesh
Let the indian govt now shrink map of india to reflect reality
We can’t trust press any more , as they can play into anyone’s hands . Truth Is that India stood firm , paying price for that in higher taxation. Political strength is given . Looks like China is trying to gain some advantage through friendly journolists
Time looks not good now, what China stole us not good for them they are cunning let the time come to show the same taste to them. Government should give genuine briefing to the public to decide how current generation and coming generations should treat Chines.
Time looks not good now, what China stole us not good for them they are cunning let the time come to show the same taste to them. Government should give genuine briefing to the public to decide how current generation and coming generations should treat Chines.
That India did not use the Kailash Ridge “Ace” to finesse the Gogra and Hot Springs King and Queen tell us the Indian Govt is playing a double game to appease both China and the Indian voters.
A barebone expression of truth! I like the articles by LT GEN H S PANAG (RETD) as it tells the truth how bitter that might be!
Yes, China has trespassed into Indian territory in Depsang plains, Gogra-Hot Springs area and is not budging, nor is it allowing Indian patrol. But how come China came there in the first place. China came there when India was not alert and has very less border patrol in those areas. The primary reason is that India’s infrastructure was not at all developed when the Chinese came there.
There is another bigger truth. China came there because of Mao’s one-China policy under which it occupied Tibet and it assumed all of Aksai Chin as part of Tibet. It all happened in 1950-52 and India was not aware. Only after China built the road and related infrastructure, India thought of telling China that it is India’s territory. But another bitter truth is that India had neither placed any border patrol, nor occupied it; It was barren land where not even grass is grown.
So what can be done now! India has to improve its infrastructure to such a level that it can attract tourists every year. It is untenable for the Chinese public to visit localities near the LAC as it’s too far. The only place they visit is Lhasa or the Everest. But for Indians it’s not only tenable, it is beneficial.
Oh General!…… your main focus is to needle the government and very unpleasant to note that some of the commanders on the LAC were your colleagues or senior only a few years back. You should be mindful of that.
Now Indian forces are fully built up in all areas to the same level as Chinese are hence any move by Chinese will be met with their death and destruction. You probably know it better that your colleagues surprised and embarrassed the Chinese on Aug 29/30 last year. They can still do it again, if Chinese are very aggressive. You, who has been a commander in the area know it better, hence hold off on your views and criticism. It is unbecoming of a retired commander to be critical of colleagues you left behind.
we are weak against Chinese economy. Indian needs to stop importing from China. This is urgent
Stopping imports from China idea was toyed last year but was not carried thru. The merchants in India went to China and bought $80 billion of stuff in-spite of Chinese behaviour at LAC. I think that to force the merchants buy locally, any imports from China should be 50% to 100% taxed as it arrives in India. That will force the importers to look internally first.
China has lit a fire which will now never extinguish.
Enmity of India is something China is going to face in very serious ways.
Ofcourse today they can afford to ignore India’s concerns. But we can develop our capabilities and partnerships with resolve and reply effectively at a time and place of our choice.
Let us resolve never to forget and never to forgive
Stop all trade With China.
Selling of Chinese goods shud be made a Criminal offense punishable with jail term.
This will create more jobs for Indians.
China has robbed the employment opportunities in other countries and later threatening most of the countries to show they are a super power.
If Chinese Is Not Understanding The GOI Language It Is Best Our Armed Forces Speak In Their Language.Let There Be No Further Pullbacks And Reoccupy The Heights.
With due respect, Sir your views are unidimensional:
– Chinese aim was to subdue India by capturing territory, give a message to our neighbours that India is unlikely to defend them in the face of Chinese aggression since it can’t defend its own borders, ensure that India kowtows to Chinese geo strategic positions wrt to USA and the border settlement will be India’s reward.
– China got an unexpectedly strong Indian response, got it’s tech banned from India, fundamentally changed India’s position to being somewhat neutral to being the the American corner and also drove up India’s military modernisation program in top gear.
– arguably the Chinese lost on most counts. This was due to both the military response and asymmetric tactics adopted by the govt
– yes, we may not have achieved full disengagement/desecalation, but that would be looking at things only from a military point of view and would be like missing the woods for the trees on the larger strategic picture
– India should infact prolong disengagement as much as possible and build all our military infrastructure required in the area as any future agreement may require us to stop building infra and thus putting us at a disadvantage.
Beautifully explained sir.
DBO looks like on borrowed time. Before next elections, this too would be likely to be addressed by China. That would be their way to put across their point.
Is this the time to share your horrible thinking at this time? Cant you wait for pandemic to subsidise to earn some extra bucks.
Really don’t understand what Mr. Panag was doing when he was the head of the Northern Command. Only if skills in writing could translate to action on the the ground during his career, or has he had a brainwave after retirement and has suddenly become an expert on tactical affairs ??? Or is it his career as an AAP member that rejuvenated his mind ?? ??