There is no evidence to support the claims that Ambedkar visited an RSS workshop or that Thengadi was Ambedkar’s election agent in 1954 Bhandara bypoll.
The test raises a question. Why have Russian nuclear strategists now invested in the Burevestnik, when the US abandoned nuclear ramjet propulsion in 1964?
Tajikistan did not want to extend the lease because of apparent pressure from Russia & China over non-regional military personnel at the air base, it is learnt.
On 21 Oct, a buzz went up that the govt had released full list of gallantry award recipients along with Op Sindoor citations. I put an AI caddy on the job. It took me into a never-ending rabbit hole.
As Shekhar Gupta has aptly commented, this debate needs to be carried out in a matured, civilized manner by well-informed people. Hair Narke is one of them. It is crystal clear that in 1950s there was no ideological similarity between Ambedkar and the RSS. The same can be said about the Congress. There were many leaders in the Congress who vehemently opposed ‘Hindu Code Bill’, as proposed by Ambedkar. The Hindu Code Bill which was presented in the Constituent Assembly in 1946 was withdrawn due to opposition from Hindu traditionalists belonging to all political parties. It was only due to Nehru’s persuasion and insistence that three specialized bills were passed by the Parliament in 1950s. In retrospect, we can now visualize that after the making of the Constitution, these legal reforms were the most important contribution made by Ambedkar to this country and this was possible only due to statesmanship and wisdom shown by the first Prime Minister of India.
To conclude, ideological differences are bound to be there. What is more important is to reconcile these differences. Can one say with certainty that there were no ideological differences between the Mahatma and Ambedkar? Yet, after proclamation of the Independence, Gandhiji told Nehru to nominate Ambedkar to the Constituent Assembly. He was subsequently made Law Minister in post-independent India. The rest is history. It would, therefore, be preferable for the RSS to honestly accept that initially they had ideological differences with Ambedkar but now RSS has reconciled these differences and has accepted the core fundamentals principles of Ambedkar’s social philosophy.
I have a simple question. When some people convert to Buddhism, how do they still remain SC ? Can somebody explain this logic please? I thought the whole SC concept is the inequality in Hinduism only. The reason some people convert is to not remain SC anymore, right ? The same people still identify themselves as SC even after conversion, but ask everyone to be treated not as an SC. Very confusing indeed.
Thank You Hari sir!
We look forward to such debates and fact based writings in ThePrint!!
And this Rajvir Singh….Sir u have completely lost it.
Please no spewing of venom here….lets not malign atleast ThePrint…it is rare nowadays to have such digital media.
Many many compliments to Mr.Narke for very staunchly refuting the utmost baseless arguments of Manuwadi writers,who are devoted to the task of converting Dr.Ambedkar in to a saffron ideology.I am constantly reading Mr.Narke’s counter arguments and I am also spreading his thoughtworthy views in social media by translating them in to Gujarati for the sake of the large scaled Gujarati Ambedakerites.Many of my friends also doing the same.
Nonsense article with no substance at all, He is just moving here and there without addressing the question raised by Mr Tuli.
Pro. Hari Narke has laid a solid example of how to expose the baseless articles that are aimed to hijack great secular and democratic personalities like Dr. Ambedkar. RSS is nothing but a huge sack of lies. It pretends to be a sole protector of the Hindus, but the fact is it represents Vedic religion and wants to enforce Vedic ideas on the Hindu society. To achieve their heinous goal they are on a mission to distort, misrepresent and making huge unsubstantial claims thereby confuse the society and hijack them the way they successfully did with Sardar Patel. The media like Print should be very careful before publishing any article that does not provide reliable documentary evidence. I again congratulate Pro. Hari Narke for fearlessly exposing the designs of RSS.
Idiot our religion important aspect is Vedic thought, and this article is nothing more than whataboutery. Mr Narke, could not refute one point of Ambedkar, just blabbering Ambedkar issue with Congressman of his times.
i hope this ends this “debate” about ambedkar’s lost camaraderie with RSS. Hari Narke provides enough written and documented evidence to prove that everyone knew.It is pretty clear which side has the body of evidence. I hope The Print doesn’t entertain any more “opinions” from Mr. Tuli and like. And should ask the writers of (especially historical figures) to provide solid body of evidence to support their opinions and stop wasting people’s time and spreading misinformation. Because it is quite possible these articles will be presented without context or rebuttal to sway unsuspecting masses.
Nonsense article with no substance at all by this Hari Narke, He is just moving here and there without addressing the question raised by Mr Tuli.
Communal organization rss is very well known for spreading lies in the society…they are go any extent to defend their lies without any shame… Today this communal organization rss is spreading poison of hate, intolerance, violence in the society to create “goondaraj” for this they had support of media, these media peoples are also act accordingly these peoples because they (media) getting suffecient money for this… people of India need aware from this. know these rss peoples are telling another “lie” regarding DR.B.R.Ambedkar that Ambedkar is supported communal organization.but we knows theses communal peoples cunning mind and we are going to believe rss lies…. shame on rss
Enough of false narrative that the hindutwa brigade is trying to create. It only shows how shallow they really are. Ambedkar is someone who fought the Hindu religion to its very core and now we have these hindutwa brigade who wants to push false narrative around ambedkar. Now print should put an end to this peddling of false narrative by RSS around Baba Saheb. Hari Narke has cleared all doubts now this case needs to be put to rest.
You are big Fool if Ambedkar was fighting any religion than why he didn’t supported ML demands , why he said Hindus are doing mistake by keeping Ms in their country post partition 1947. By your logic, then he was a confused personality. He had issue with some people here but that doesn’t mean with everyone. This should be taken in a context of it
i think the act of just letting some debates happen and some not is more nuanced way of dealing with peoples consciousnes. Although one can easily judge media these days with regard to their affiliations , this paper has to be appreciated for presenting logic in a a very subtle manner and trying things out of the box creating newer rationales principles etc etc.Sadly expecting truth from the media these days is crime . It is the WINNERS THAT CREATE NOT JUST HISTORY BUT KNOWLEDGE AND THATS THE ONLY TRUTH
This paper? It is article with no substance, he is just blabbering things , he has not refuted any point of Mr Tuli with specific rebuttals. Everything can be cleared, if some intelligence paper de-classified. Int officer use to keep eye on all politicians.
An author who framed our constitution, has to be judged not on the basis of some incidents in his life. He is a political visionary, astute philosopher, to the core a true revolutionary.
I don’t think this needs a further false counterstatement by Mr Rajiv tuli or mr Anand,this article is well researched one by the author who has put the facts with proof and not just relying on oral history as mentioned by Mr Rajiv tuli.I acknowledge Mr Hari narke for writing this article .
Everything can be disclosed if some intelligence paper are de-classified.
After Mahatma Gandhi and sardar Patel, it is Ambedkar ,whom RSS want to co opt
Altering /teaching history via WhatsApp group, is easy, as there is no healthy and informed debate possible in social media where trolling is the norm.
However it is different ball game in mainstream media like newspapers, TV and digital platforms, where one cannot hit and run with distorted facts
thanks to the people like Mr Narke and unbiased media platforms like THE PRINT, which provides the platform where views for/against are articulated , for us to make informed judgements on issues of past ,given a makeover to suit the current political dispensation
thanks and regards
Mr Narke is making a joke, he couldn’t put any rebuttal to Mr Tuli points. He is just blabbering things of 1950s which are there in public domain. There are many things they do happen behind the scenes
This should be an eye opener to conspiracy theorist in RSS-BJP, including this writer.
From it’s foundation RSS is on propaganda spree. But with historical facts and context Dr Hari Narke once again daringly derail it’s game plan.
Distort history , mislead the people and aim for the Hindurashtra. This is how RSS-BJP operates from seven odd decades, Knowingly though, writers like Tuli and Anad exercises their skill as and expertise to mislead the nation.
It was always clear, RSS’s political aim was and is to have it’s own Hindu rashtra keeping it’s caste structure intact, RSS wants all the icons like Gandhi-Bose-Ambedkar – in its fold without any associated history attached to it. No morality, no ethics. It always engaged in dangerous mind games. Today’s vicious and divisive India is it’s expected result. This article should be seen and analyse in that context.
Fool this Narke could not refute even one point Me Tuli, he is going here and there,, not staying on the topic raised by Mr Tuli, And Hindu rashtra will be made in a Hindu majority country.
Mr Narke should ask his mother who gave him the name “Hari” a word for Vishnu, against whom he is writing. If you have nothing to answer to Mr Tuli’s writing, than don’t write, why show your mental balance to word with nonsense. You could not refute one word of Mr Tuli in your writing, just going here and their dodge the issue.
Dear Rajvir Singh
Why are you attacking Mr Hari personally.it clearly shows you are not able to confront on the subject and are resorting to other ways to put your points which is not good for healthy debates or discussions.i hope you will put your thoughts on the subject rather than finding a way to escape
It is not me who is attacking Mr Narke, it is this Mr Narke who is attacking Mr Tuli without any findings. He is stating things which we have told by Cong followers and is in public domain. But as in politics a lot of things do happen behind the scene. It is well known Mr Ambedkar had sided with Sangh when he was facing attacks from the congress and their followers in 1950s. Everything is not black and white as you think it to be. All of these can easily come out if some some old intelligence files if still present are de-classified. They keep eye on every politician.
First and foremost this writer using two logic for two things. And same case with you caste annihilation never happens with casteist overtones. Today’s most casteist comes from this group of so called backward. This is fact. The whole caste drama was started by xian Brits in 1872. and fools like you still show mental bankruptcy when somebody highlight this.
RSS will not allow a dead man to rest in peace. They see nothing wrong in CO opting mass leaders of Dalit and Muslim communities by offering them positions in government mostly in consequential posts example Paswan Athawale and of course men like MANaqvi.
Dalits and Muslims are a divided lot. Mediocre leaders from these communities have sold their conscience and hoping to get the crumps.RSS game plan is to Co opt Ambedkarism to get electoral gains and they need not try hard. Even if they ignore Ambedkar the upper class votes will ensure their hegemony for the next thousand years.
As Shekhar Gupta has aptly commented, this debate needs to be carried out in a matured, civilized manner by well-informed people. Hair Narke is one of them. It is crystal clear that in 1950s there was no ideological similarity between Ambedkar and the RSS. The same can be said about the Congress. There were many leaders in the Congress who vehemently opposed ‘Hindu Code Bill’, as proposed by Ambedkar. The Hindu Code Bill which was presented in the Constituent Assembly in 1946 was withdrawn due to opposition from Hindu traditionalists belonging to all political parties. It was only due to Nehru’s persuasion and insistence that three specialized bills were passed by the Parliament in 1950s. In retrospect, we can now visualize that after the making of the Constitution, these legal reforms were the most important contribution made by Ambedkar to this country and this was possible only due to statesmanship and wisdom shown by the first Prime Minister of India.
To conclude, ideological differences are bound to be there. What is more important is to reconcile these differences. Can one say with certainty that there were no ideological differences between the Mahatma and Ambedkar? Yet, after proclamation of the Independence, Gandhiji told Nehru to nominate Ambedkar to the Constituent Assembly. He was subsequently made Law Minister in post-independent India. The rest is history. It would, therefore, be preferable for the RSS to honestly accept that initially they had ideological differences with Ambedkar but now RSS has reconciled these differences and has accepted the core fundamentals principles of Ambedkar’s social philosophy.
I have a simple question. When some people convert to Buddhism, how do they still remain SC ? Can somebody explain this logic please? I thought the whole SC concept is the inequality in Hinduism only. The reason some people convert is to not remain SC anymore, right ? The same people still identify themselves as SC even after conversion, but ask everyone to be treated not as an SC. Very confusing indeed.
Thank You Hari sir!
We look forward to such debates and fact based writings in ThePrint!!
And this Rajvir Singh….Sir u have completely lost it.
Please no spewing of venom here….lets not malign atleast ThePrint…it is rare nowadays to have such digital media.
Many many compliments to Mr.Narke for very staunchly refuting the utmost baseless arguments of Manuwadi writers,who are devoted to the task of converting Dr.Ambedkar in to a saffron ideology.I am constantly reading Mr.Narke’s counter arguments and I am also spreading his thoughtworthy views in social media by translating them in to Gujarati for the sake of the large scaled Gujarati Ambedakerites.Many of my friends also doing the same.
Nonsense article with no substance at all, He is just moving here and there without addressing the question raised by Mr Tuli.
Pro. Hari Narke has laid a solid example of how to expose the baseless articles that are aimed to hijack great secular and democratic personalities like Dr. Ambedkar. RSS is nothing but a huge sack of lies. It pretends to be a sole protector of the Hindus, but the fact is it represents Vedic religion and wants to enforce Vedic ideas on the Hindu society. To achieve their heinous goal they are on a mission to distort, misrepresent and making huge unsubstantial claims thereby confuse the society and hijack them the way they successfully did with Sardar Patel. The media like Print should be very careful before publishing any article that does not provide reliable documentary evidence. I again congratulate Pro. Hari Narke for fearlessly exposing the designs of RSS.
Idiot our religion important aspect is Vedic thought, and this article is nothing more than whataboutery. Mr Narke, could not refute one point of Ambedkar, just blabbering Ambedkar issue with Congressman of his times.
i hope this ends this “debate” about ambedkar’s lost camaraderie with RSS. Hari Narke provides enough written and documented evidence to prove that everyone knew.It is pretty clear which side has the body of evidence. I hope The Print doesn’t entertain any more “opinions” from Mr. Tuli and like. And should ask the writers of (especially historical figures) to provide solid body of evidence to support their opinions and stop wasting people’s time and spreading misinformation. Because it is quite possible these articles will be presented without context or rebuttal to sway unsuspecting masses.
Nonsense article with no substance at all by this Hari Narke, He is just moving here and there without addressing the question raised by Mr Tuli.
Communal organization rss is very well known for spreading lies in the society…they are go any extent to defend their lies without any shame… Today this communal organization rss is spreading poison of hate, intolerance, violence in the society to create “goondaraj” for this they had support of media, these media peoples are also act accordingly these peoples because they (media) getting suffecient money for this… people of India need aware from this. know these rss peoples are telling another “lie” regarding DR.B.R.Ambedkar that Ambedkar is supported communal organization.but we knows theses communal peoples cunning mind and we are going to believe rss lies…. shame on rss
Enough of false narrative that the hindutwa brigade is trying to create. It only shows how shallow they really are. Ambedkar is someone who fought the Hindu religion to its very core and now we have these hindutwa brigade who wants to push false narrative around ambedkar. Now print should put an end to this peddling of false narrative by RSS around Baba Saheb. Hari Narke has cleared all doubts now this case needs to be put to rest.
You are big Fool if Ambedkar was fighting any religion than why he didn’t supported ML demands , why he said Hindus are doing mistake by keeping Ms in their country post partition 1947. By your logic, then he was a confused personality. He had issue with some people here but that doesn’t mean with everyone. This should be taken in a context of it
i think the act of just letting some debates happen and some not is more nuanced way of dealing with peoples consciousnes. Although one can easily judge media these days with regard to their affiliations , this paper has to be appreciated for presenting logic in a a very subtle manner and trying things out of the box creating newer rationales principles etc etc.Sadly expecting truth from the media these days is crime . It is the WINNERS THAT CREATE NOT JUST HISTORY BUT KNOWLEDGE AND THATS THE ONLY TRUTH
This paper? It is article with no substance, he is just blabbering things , he has not refuted any point of Mr Tuli with specific rebuttals. Everything can be cleared, if some intelligence paper de-classified. Int officer use to keep eye on all politicians.
An author who framed our constitution, has to be judged not on the basis of some incidents in his life. He is a political visionary, astute philosopher, to the core a true revolutionary.
The fascist RSS wants to appropriate Ambedkar as their own.
Fascist is daughter of Italian leading Congress
Why there had been no Hindu organisation in India before the establishment of RSS . What was the need to do so ?
I don’t think this needs a further false counterstatement by Mr Rajiv tuli or mr Anand,this article is well researched one by the author who has put the facts with proof and not just relying on oral history as mentioned by Mr Rajiv tuli.I acknowledge Mr Hari narke for writing this article .
Everything can be disclosed if some intelligence paper are de-classified.
After Mahatma Gandhi and sardar Patel, it is Ambedkar ,whom RSS want to co opt
Altering /teaching history via WhatsApp group, is easy, as there is no healthy and informed debate possible in social media where trolling is the norm.
However it is different ball game in mainstream media like newspapers, TV and digital platforms, where one cannot hit and run with distorted facts
thanks to the people like Mr Narke and unbiased media platforms like THE PRINT, which provides the platform where views for/against are articulated , for us to make informed judgements on issues of past ,given a makeover to suit the current political dispensation
thanks and regards
Mr Narke is making a joke, he couldn’t put any rebuttal to Mr Tuli points. He is just blabbering things of 1950s which are there in public domain. There are many things they do happen behind the scenes
This should be an eye opener to conspiracy theorist in RSS-BJP, including this writer.
From it’s foundation RSS is on propaganda spree. But with historical facts and context Dr Hari Narke once again daringly derail it’s game plan.
Distort history , mislead the people and aim for the Hindurashtra. This is how RSS-BJP operates from seven odd decades, Knowingly though, writers like Tuli and Anad exercises their skill as and expertise to mislead the nation.
It was always clear, RSS’s political aim was and is to have it’s own Hindu rashtra keeping it’s caste structure intact, RSS wants all the icons like Gandhi-Bose-Ambedkar – in its fold without any associated history attached to it. No morality, no ethics. It always engaged in dangerous mind games. Today’s vicious and divisive India is it’s expected result. This article should be seen and analyse in that context.
Fool this Narke could not refute even one point Me Tuli, he is going here and there,, not staying on the topic raised by Mr Tuli, And Hindu rashtra will be made in a Hindu majority country.
Mr Narke should ask his mother who gave him the name “Hari” a word for Vishnu, against whom he is writing. If you have nothing to answer to Mr Tuli’s writing, than don’t write, why show your mental balance to word with nonsense. You could not refute one word of Mr Tuli in your writing, just going here and their dodge the issue.
Dear Rajvir Singh
Why are you attacking Mr Hari personally.it clearly shows you are not able to confront on the subject and are resorting to other ways to put your points which is not good for healthy debates or discussions.i hope you will put your thoughts on the subject rather than finding a way to escape
It is not me who is attacking Mr Narke, it is this Mr Narke who is attacking Mr Tuli without any findings. He is stating things which we have told by Cong followers and is in public domain. But as in politics a lot of things do happen behind the scene. It is well known Mr Ambedkar had sided with Sangh when he was facing attacks from the congress and their followers in 1950s. Everything is not black and white as you think it to be. All of these can easily come out if some some old intelligence files if still present are de-classified. They keep eye on every politician.
First and foremost this writer using two logic for two things. And same case with you caste annihilation never happens with casteist overtones. Today’s most casteist comes from this group of so called backward. This is fact. The whole caste drama was started by xian Brits in 1872. and fools like you still show mental bankruptcy when somebody highlight this.
RSS will not allow a dead man to rest in peace. They see nothing wrong in CO opting mass leaders of Dalit and Muslim communities by offering them positions in government mostly in consequential posts example Paswan Athawale and of course men like MANaqvi.
Dalits and Muslims are a divided lot. Mediocre leaders from these communities have sold their conscience and hoping to get the crumps.RSS game plan is to Co opt Ambedkarism to get electoral gains and they need not try hard. Even if they ignore Ambedkar the upper class votes will ensure their hegemony for the next thousand years.