A lot of parents, in trying to raise kids who are caste-free, end up raising kids who are caste-blind. My parents never even talked about caste at home.
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It is true that caste differences do exist visibly or invisibly among many indians perhaps especially of previous generations.,perhaps more visible in rural ,perhaps more invisibly in urban
Some so called modern upper caste people are hypocrites.They talk tall of no caste but in action and indirect wordings they do try to show their personal superior caste feelings in one way or other.
However it seems caste system cant be thrown out completely from the indian society perhsps atleast for a hundred years because it has some other motives and strings attachedNo
Reg sacred thread my personal opinion is anyone can wear it if they wish to.
If they dont want they need not be forced.
Reg parents if at all they wish to conduct sacred thread ceremony (since holding of the sacred thread ceremony of minor children is under parents control) would suggest not to spend lakhs of rupees on it as some people do in some parts of india to show their money power and conduct a very simple function.
If adults who have had it dont wish to wear it then perhaps no need to enforce it.
If people want to wear it is perhaps not to be restricted to any caste creed or even sex or other discriminations.
If they dont want to their choice.
Not going into religious aspects or other religions etc.
Cultural imposition. You are denying them their right to practice, profess and preach their religion. You are plain anti-constitional. Are they physically discrimination other castes by their very act of practicing their faith. The print has reached a new level of anti-nationalism.
I think those who write such ignorant and hateful article like Miss Kaur, that if you still wear turban and other 5 symbols of sikhism, then we are still having cast system. That needs to be eliminated.
Dinmab or whatever your name is stfu with your agenda. Am surprised that this is written by a Sikh,a religion which has superiority for the jatt castes. Heck even here in England there’s jatt only gurudwaras.
I am a Brahmin and I am saying it loud and clear : IF WE WANT TO WEAR A SACRED THREAD, IT’S OUR CHOICE!
Firstly, the sacred thread is a symbol of initiation into a Brahmin lifestyle. A Brahmin’s lifestyle is strict and rigid. Brahmin’s duty is to serve society and lead them on the path of virtue through education of the Vedas, our treasure trove of knowledge.
The sacred thread is a traditional we will not stop following because it harms no one and is a major part of our tradition and culture.
Seeing a feminine name : Can u please try to be a priest in a temple ?
Fix this disgusting practise in this religion.
Yes bro girl can also be preist.
Shameful article.
These so called ‘new gen feminist’ will never make such suggestions against Muslims. They see all the problems in Hinduism but all other religions are just perfect.
If one talks about her own hypocrisies then she will start cribbing and complaining but does not deter from finding faults with everyone else and their beliefs.
Woah what a big steaming pile of horse crap this article is.
In case you didn’t know, “yagyopavit” or the sacred thread is given to someone as a part of a ritual that symbolises the beginning of their education.
Please stop labelling it as a symbol of oppression. You do realize that anyone can wear it now, irrespective of their caste?
What is stopping someone belonging to a historically opressed caste from wearing one today??
Stop creating a schism between people. There are enough people doing that, we don’t need more. Get something actually meaningful to write upon.
What is stopping someone belonging to a historically opressed caste from wearing one today?? – people will be killed for doing this today in parts of india.
Maybe time to open ur eyes to the reality.
Madam why don’t you preach your Sikh fraternity to abandon the five k’s that you have in your religion? Can you do that? If you can’t, then please don’t come to preach members of another religion.Now should we listen to your words and decide what to wear and what not to? Will people like you teach us? If yes, then tell me why should we listen to you in the first place? Do you belong to our religion? No? Then please keep away from instructing what we should or shouldn’t do. You’re just a third person to comment upon our religion.
Because only one religion treats members of its own religion terribly ? When there is a criticism maybe it is better to accept and correct ?
Hindus are not allowed into hindu temples today. Fix that
Who the hell are u . We dont follow that now im a Shudra and a Proud Hindu moron
May be your poetic skills are better than your writing skills. Just do a favor to yourself quit writing your baised views toward a culture. Please please dont write any other garbage.
Thanks
Yes madam is telling the truth. Caste still Is prevalent. It still marginalizing students. Still killing the basic human rights.
BUT OF THE SO CALLED UPPER CASTE
The title itself reflects the prejudice that these kind of Intellectuals hold against ones culture.
Here the writer writes about why should the parents not allow their kids to wear the Sacred Thread.
A Sacred Thread, which is a part of a Culture of Many Hindu families ,suddenly becomes a Regressive symbol of The pre- caste world where it promotes Casteism.
The writer here claims herself to be Feminist.
These are the kind of people who would loose their mind if someone dictates terms to them on what should one be wearing, and rightly so.
But what about other’s choice to wear what they like?
Who are they to dictate terms on what Should I be wearing and how appropriate it is?
Where do these Five- Star Feminists Loose their Voice while talking against the regressive practices prominent in other Religions.
If the Sacred Thread is a Bone of Contention, so should be the Burkha, or Nikaah Halala. No?
I often wonder if a simple ,non harmful piece of Thread which is not even visible to the onlookers ,promotes Casteism, How is the Skull Cap or Holy Cross never questioned by these Armchair Intellectuals.
A Skull Cap, A Thread, A Turban are all parts of the different cultures people follow and one must have all the respect for other’s Customs, if it’s not harmful.
But the kind of liberty these Bigoted Intellectuals enjoys while Bashing Only the Hindu customs is a bit beyond my Comprehension.
I leave it to the viewer to Comprehend and put forward their views
This is one of the most pathetic articles I’ve ever read. In this way, Muslims should not be allowed to wear their caps, Sikhs shouldn’t be allowed to carry kripan et cetera.
There’s just load of bullshit in this article. Grow up.
Yes ma’am, but like thread shouldn’t you peach about skull cap or turban? Also the biggest care discrimination today is official – “reservation”, why not talk about that?
It is difficult to speak the truth in a matter so ingrained in us, without causing offense. She has managed to do so in my opinion but when I read the comments of others, I realise that it is not only the truth which affects people, it is also who speaks it.
So, presumably it is both disconcerting and unacceptable for a Hindu to be told a truth by a Sikh.
Other comments make it clear that an equal amount of truth must be spoken about Islam before gaining the moral right to speak the truth to Hindus.
On my part I believe every Hindu must discard caste from his/her heart not just from the Constitution. I genuinely believe that we must discard all reservations and use only economic & educational backwardness as criteria for devising any scheme of assistance.
It is self-evident that the whole reservation framework and the politics around it merely serves to sustain and feed the monster of caste.
Education, mobility and prosperity are the quickest ways to give caste a decent burial in two decades.
Absolutely right..thanks for articulating it so well Sir!
My husband Rahul is a six footer, who can make a Jacobs thread bridge that’s 20 cms in length from his Janeu thread doubled over once. Often between writing code for a proud Indian company, he makes beautiful bridge designs and once even a Eiffel Tower of the thread. I challenge every Hindu to make a bridge that’s longer than 20 cms. Then let’s talk of power of holy thread. https://youtu.be/zIHfMkxVlnU
“To borrow from psychiatrist and philosopher Frantz Fanon, since oppression understands the language of violence and brute force, that’s how it must be dealt with too — completely and without mercy.”
This is a mechanical approach which ignores nature and will fail as it always does. Communists like Fannon carry a great deal of emotional violence within which they cannot be rid of. They use it to carry out sudden reform and the violence appears in new forms.
Writers like Kaur would not have the slightest idea of what I speak, which is a tragedy since there are many like him on the left and right both who believe in harsh inhuman ‘solutions’ to problems.
This to me sounds like Burning the house to clean it. I understand Caste as structure itself divides, and brings a certain sense of hierarchy to work & choice of livelihood. Caste is also used for Power politics. but then in addressing this problem is it right to destroy the good practices that have somehow paired with a caste. For instance, here we question the practice of a Brahmin wearing his thread, then shouldn’t we also question a Tribal practice of maybe worshipping a tree or wearing a specific kind of accessory the same way. Instead of saying I am cutting my ties of this identity because this has manipulated people, is it possible to look at identities for what they are and appreciate the diversity or adopt the good practices? Can we let go of rigidity in sticking to a Caste or cutting off from it and instead keep what is productive and evolve from that?
Dear reserved category parents: no we don’t live in a post caste world if you still encourage your children to bow to someone in a thread. Get some self respect before you expect to receive it from others
So you’re attacking traditions now? How about other traditions followed by other religions, their sub-sects and castes? Why specifically target the “thread-wearing” community? You want us to remove our threads? And then what?
These threads (just like many other practices) are here for a reason, and they are a symbol of a Vedin a.k.a. someone who learns and teaches the Vedas. What’s wrong if someone wishes to do exactly that? You want to strip them off the thread?
The only point I agree with in your article is that parents need to talk to children more, and encourage debates and dialectics at home instead of forcing the children to obey. Other than that, it’s a very unbalanced article. Removal of caste system should be an institutional change. Only then will it percolate into the masses. Why do we still have “caste-based” reservations? If the Indian constitution does not advocate a caste-based society, then why is this reservation still here. If you want to give support to under-privileged communities or individuals, then do it based on financial status or something else, NOT caste. There are wealthy people in the so-called lower castes and poor people in the so-called higher castes. So such a reservation is simply wrong and unjust.
I think she should try saying the same to the other religion saying why wear caps/cross / lent / roza / Khalisthan movements etc.. I am sure she does not have the spine to do that. bloody desh drohi..
You are entering a dangerous territory by writing such cheap articles about holy thread and thread ceremony…..dont ever do this again… This article is hurting us very badly remove it immediately
She is writing on Hinduism and its caste system since Hinduism is the most liberal and evolving religion. Can she write any such article on Islam? Can she write on Sikhism which is another fundamental religion like Islam. Can she write such article on Christians?
Harnidh Kaur should talk about her own religion first. Fundamentalists in the making. Wake up n put to sleep their holy book, killed thousands of Hindus in Punjab, and now demanding Khalistan. Start with your self before you sermonize.
Well written artical. It is true. Even educated, middle-class Hindus blindly follow tradition without any wisdom. What is the use of having all intellectuals going to IIT when they are spreading caste.
That’s ludicrous and ridiculous A writer belongs to a community that is most vocal about its community identity Turbans, Khanda, Kada and shouting Boel so nihal Wow that is not caste Jatt Sikh, Non-Jutt sikh Majhabi Sikh is not Caste
Openly sporting beards without moustache, Wearing skull capss and That cross is not casteist, right?
I can sense your hatred against Hindu identity.
Brahmins made sikhs and they fought for the nation like everybody else SO That’s the case but people like you can write porn for communists – thats what this article I raet – pure porn for Commies
Your article clearly shows you are confused.. you also don’t have your facts right.. considering today’s scenario it is actually the lower castes and the minorities that are getting the most privileges, even when 90% of them don’t require it!
Also keeping in mind your perception about “the thread” why did you run such a huge charade on your Instagram story and Twitter handle when Gucci made the turban a fashion accessory?
And that you have to take the outrage of all the people you have offended because of this article (I really felt bad because it’s not ok to abuse any woman, especially that, that person went onto your mother), why are you now taking help of the term “minority”?
Preach what you say first and then advice the society.
I am not a Brahmin but what you wrote has no logic.
An article like this coming from you is definitely a shock!
And I feel sorry for this country where people jump onto abusing anybody and everybody when things can be actually said in a much polite way.
That is called her FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION….. she will ahte someone selectively and love someone selectively…. and there is no common point of reference…
Sure she is practicing her rights righteously.. but Hindus are not lab rats!
Caste name in ur name 🙂 naiceee – very modern.
Try reading what ur forefathers did to others.
Absolurely Absusrd illogical and ignorant article to demonise even the rituals of sanatan dharma.
Also dear madam, try to understand and assimilate the benefits of ‘Sandhyavandane’ that a person wearing Janeu (the sacred hrea) is supposed to perform. This is specifically in reference to the headline of your ‘so called’ opinion article.
Madam, it appears you don’t understand anything and has a very dry and sick life. It is better you keep quiet and learn something to make your life better.
these idiots write the articles against the Hindus and when there is a retaliation they cry as a victim and accuse Hindus of being intolerant. By the way, Harnidh Kaur you forget to mention the parents who raise their children with bearing beard and cross don’t you want to live in a post-religion world?
Garnish Kaur has double benefits. As minority and as a woman. We came broke from now Pakistan and built everything without any reservation. India my country a disappointment. Do not feel Indian.
Dear Harnidh Kaur,
I think you are mixing diversity and discrimination and you believe that diversity leads to discrimination so destroy every symbol that makes you different than others. Difference doesn’t mean disrespect to others. If some section of society feels they are superior than other then its not because they are different than other but because they don’t understand others point of view. Here, the thread has simple symbolism that you have at least three responsibilities i.e. पितृ ऋण(responsibilities towards parents and ancestors), देव ऋण(responsibility towards teachers), ऋषि ऋण(responsibilities towards knowledge). Where does discrimination comes in between? It only comes when you don’t know the very thing and its symbolism thoroughly. I am not surprised that you are used language like “since oppression understands the language of violence and brute force”. Ignorant people use exactly this kind of language of violence.
Excellent point – about mixing diversity and discrimination.
It is true that brahminism is about egoism and greed but the oppressed need to do their own work and refuse calmly to respect someone simply because he wears a thread. They lack courage to go against the dangerous servility of their ancestors who would rather clean toilets than assert the rights of their children to an occupation of their choice.
Since, Ms. Kaur is hell bent to have a homogeneous societies, why not start with your own community. Charity begins at home. If you’re pagdi determines your faith, my janeu is also expression of my Faith. Only Fools comment on things they don’t know about… & You’re certainly one of them, Your name suits your intellect, pedestrian…
Ms Kaur,
I have huge amount of respect for Sikhs and sardars and did not think an article like this could come from you.
Culture and customs are not than people’s political assertiveness. One wears a janeu not because he wants to be assertive or castiest, but it’s just his custom as in a thing that he feels comfortable with because it is bequeathed by his/her ancestors.
No need to colour it.
BTW, Did you or sikh brothers go remove the kirpan and the pagdi in same breath?
No offence to Sikhs. I love them and have huge amount of respect. Just questioning the writer.
Too much of gibberish, logic totally non existent… Such people have wet dreams of Hindu Bashing and nothing else… The Sikh signs of Religion look heavenly while the Janeu seems anethema to her..or him… Whoever wrote this shit….
On top of that, advocating violence too…
And no, I am not a Brahmin….
But the writer is a butthead for sure
Kindly remove this article from your site
The author has no clue on what threading ceremony stands for
I might resort to legal actions against the print and the author if not done so
I would recommend the print to consult scholars who are well versed in such religious issues before publishing such articles
Hahaha. Go ahead. You have neither the time nor the belief. Just baseless ego.
If not what? People like you will keep India a 3rd world country. You are no different than fundamental Islamists.
I think problem is not with caste but with getting respected socially. To get respect money, job, promotions did not help. Only knowledge commands respect.so solution to problem lies in knowledge based education and not twisted history, pseudo liberalism, rat race efucation.Only Knowledgeable teachers Grimm society to get enlightened so as to command respect.
The writer , does not seems to know the history of caste, The present day caste system Indians following belongs to European system. It all started in 1911. The present day Dalits are a creation of 1871 British criminal tribes act. How come no one talks about it? It seems whole world is viewing others through christianised lenses!!! why does every one has to fit in the standards set out by christians? islmist seesm to discard the christian standards hence there is friction across the globe. Now it seems the attack is on Hindus to use christian lens or standards of living. The author of this article has no previous knowledge about Hinduism or Hindu History. Very bad article.
Yes, like every topi, burkha wala / wali are ISIS, Alkayeda Supporter.
pagdi wala is khalistani supporter and every one who wears cross is child molesters.
whay don’t you killer Comunist fuck ur own buisness.
This is such a dumb opinion. This idiot calls himself as feminist and has no freaking clue of what he writes. Does he know why the varnas wear Janeyu? He looks to be a confused brat and tries to spread the stupid confusion he has and shares his mindless hallucinations under the guise of progressive culture. Dude, get your regular shot of smoking pot and get back to your fantasy worlds. We dont need your stupid advice !!!
Oh I am casteist and there are some castes I totally discriminate against – they are feminists, leftists, secularist, post modern liberals. I would say they should be denied education, many of them are supposedly educated, but still ended up as such idiots., so it is a waste of resources.
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What these new low castes want, is that everybody should be made from exact same mould, amorphous blobs of goo. Now they are assailing the collective identities like nationality, gender, faith, caste, community etc. Next step they will assault the individual identities as well, in fact they do so already within the groups. The end result is the Islamic utopia, everybody an automaton behaving to a book.
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It is important for parents to teach their kids to take pride in their heritage, but still be aware of adopting it to context. And be made aware of these detestable castes which may appear benign and idealistic, but carry on utter rot
Stop this anti-Hindu propaganda and cultural genocide of Hindus by blind hate towards Hinduism..Not just Brahmins, many Upper castes and OBC castes do have sacred thread ceremony,even latest Dalit Hindu priest from Kerala Yadu Krishnan started wearing sacred thread after initiation..many western Hindu priests and non-brahmin Hindu priests also wear sacred thread after initiation..educate yourselves..Vedas are sacred to all 1.3 billion Hindus..anti-Hindus leave us Hindus alone…these anti-Hindu feminists speak as if castes are there only among Hindus..in this nation, Muslims have 300 plus castes,dalit muslims, upper caste muslims, OBC muslims are also there..Sikhs, Christians, Jains also have castes…Dalit Sikhs are denied rights by upper caste Sikhs also..and these sick anti-Hindu feminists will speak only against Brahmins
The author is a typical leftist who does not understand Indian culture. The thread is worn as an indicator of the resolve to walk the path of Brahman and truth (hence by definition it is not for liars like Communists). It is not only Brahmins but Kshatriyas who have worn it in the past. The Sandhya brahmins do daily is a form of meditation and there are many studies that indicate the benefits of meditation. But again, meditation is not for violent Leftists
I a dalit. I want to wear it. I am ready to do meditation and stuff.
Why don’t you? Who is stopping you? That will be the real revolution. When The resentful oppressed stop justifying their own parents’ cowardice.
I am not a Brahmin. I have done my upanayanam. I wear the thread. I chant Gayatri. I do Sandhya. I did my Upanayanam with the Art of living ashram.
Use Google to find any arya samaj temple in your vicinity.
any one from* so called other castes* ,but who is really interested wearing it and wishes to adhere to things attached to it can wear it and that it is not to be the previlege of *so called certain upper castes*only.
There should not be any discriminations of any sort including sex.
Thats personal opinion.no offence meant whatsoever.
The writer has a point. But what if this brahmin thread ceremony is alien to India itself. Brahmin may just be a community from central Asia, a community closely related to Iranian people. So it is rather a community practise, not necessarily designed for oppression. Of course, the caste system designed by Brahmin is oppressive, it has a simple motto though. To put themselves at the top of the social system through entitlement. Even the Rg Veda seems to be modified, Purusa Sukta, to sanctify this oppression. Rest of Indians should be confident and choose not to be defined by this Brahminical world view. Non Brahmanical India produced some of the greatest thinkers mankind has ever produced, The Buddha and The Mahavira. So, cheer up, let’s not fight each other, rather learn from the collective wisdom of mankind as a whole.
Stop this anti-Hindu propaganda and cultural genocide of Hindus by blind hate towards Hinduism..Not just Brahmins, many Upper castes and OBC castes do have sacred thread ceremony,even latest Dalit Hindu priest from Kerala Yadu Krishnan started wearing sacred thread after initiation..many western Hindu priests and non-brahmin Hindu priests also wear sacred thread after initiation..educate yourselves..Vedas are sacred to all 1.3 billion Hindus..anti-Hindus leave us Hindus alone…these anti-Hindu feminists speak as if castes are there only among Hindus..in this nation, Muslims have 300 plus castes,dalit muslims, upper caste muslims, OBC muslims are also there..Sikhs, Christians, Jains also have castes…Dalit Sikhs are denied rights by upper caste Sikhs also..and these sick anti-Hindu feminists will speak only against Brahmins
Everyone thankfully reinterprets the words of Rig veda to prove one caste is superior or inferior… the VEDA NEVER SAYS THAT.. It’s the Zakir naik’s and seculars and missionaries who invented these theories to prove that their conversion job is justified….
Arunabha Ghosh writer is clueless and so are you .. caste system was not made by brahmins it was taken advantage of by every community rated as superior to the next …
Kshatrias were centre of power they weilded the weapons and lathis they are obc and get reservation .Traders weilded money power. Both communities had vested interest in maintining order and supreiority You cant solely blame the caste system on brahmins who are the easiest targets as they neither had much power or money. even a dalit community higher in the hierarchy considers another dalit community inferior when it comes to marriage etc .
white man divided africans into two communities and considered the fair skinned people more superior ,,, that is the hutu and tutsis and look how much mas murder has happened .. who will u blame for that ?
The woman should start from the caste divisions of her own community ie sikhs where even there are multiple akhadas and deras , dera sacha sauda became very popular for what ? dont pray on the weakest !! go challange the power of nihangs and blue turban enforcers of religion . Dare the khalistanis if u have the guts
Purusha Sukta does nto sanctify this… it speaks of VARNA…. nto caste.. ALL VARNAS haev come from that one HIRANYAGARBHA…..who was first created by the unmanifested god ….. SO chill… yo uare reading into the missionary interpretation of the likes of evangelical WEndy doninger….
Why do people want to impose their Caste free ideologies on all people… . even constitution of India also want that there should be caste less society..I’m a student of History & Anthropology and an Engineer by profession.. but I never heard that there exist a egalitarian society.. how can there will be a society where everyone is at equal foot.. even observe Nature you will see that.. Read Mahatma Gandhji’s book/thoughts he said untouchability is wrong but not varnashram system.but makers of the constitution did not pay attention to his thoughts rather included some foreign concept of equality &others.. rather There should be limited equality of opportunity.. though I’m not a Brahman but I certainly admire there effort/talent that they are hardly 5% of total population yet they are ruling India through every department
I believed that every Indian is equal regardless of their class or caste. We were brought up that way despite the elders’ disapproval. But the venom of caste entered my life after admission to college. Despite securing a good 3 digit rank, I wasn’t eligible for the college I desired but someone who was 20 times mine, got admission into it.
How can I treat a SC ST students to be equal to me ..How can I do group study with a SC ST students when I know he can be selected even if he gets 30-40% marks less then me… Reply me
Till reservation is there I will be castiest and will raise awareness among all general category students to be castiest.. Remove reservation then talk
Are You still living in the British Colonial era if You still text in English and wear Shirts and Trousers..??
Are all muslims wearing the fez and sporting an Islamic beard, living the Caliphate??
Are all Christians with a Cross hanging round their necks, dreaming of a Crusade..??
um true, but if you look at the statistics it’s the non twice-born castes commit heinous caste crimes like murder and rapes. It’s landed&landless peasants, mostly the landed peasants who are dominant OBCs, who commit those crimes. Who will stop them?
I don’t see a problem with the thread ceremony, as long as it extends to every boy in India who wants it. Anyone from any caste. If that’s okay, by all means. It’s a whole lot of Sanskrit gibberish, smoke in eyes and good feast food. Ensure everyone who wants it, gets it. Also teach boys to not rape – compulsory lecture. That part needs to be added in India. Otherwise we re getting quite a reputation.
most of the rapists or convicts are from the religion of peace. no use lecturing hindus. 35% of jailed convicts are muslims. go and lecture them.
no one stopped others from wearing the threads or no one can stop them. all you shit is just to blame hindus or brhamins.
If 35% convicts are Muslims in a majority Hindu country then thete is teadon to suspect bias against them. In any communal riot we see Hindus being let off with the remark “lack of sufficient evidence” while Muslims are incarcerated in jails even without a trial.
Who stopped whom?
I am.ok with burka if all wear it
And sanskrit gibberish?
So you are very secular or intelligent
Learn some common manners
And what about those parents circumcise their sons and make their daughters wear burka or make their sons keep their hair uncut and wear turbans? Why these topics are not discussed? Hinduism has survived for centuries primarily because of its continuos reforms. Why there are so few articles on it except to take pot shots at RSS or other such organisations?
Shouldn’t issues of majority deserve commensurate proportion of stories? So many Hindus! Everything shd be about Hindus ofcourse. You wanted it, now you re getting it
i dont see any proble wearing a thread then wearing a burkha or circumsion. its just thief vs terrorists. you always bark at thieves but not a word on terrorists. its not abt proportion but it shud be based on extremism of the traditions. wearing a thread is not as extreme as wearing a burkha or circumsion.
its just another reason to blame hindus.
To the untouchables and Dalits the upper castes appear as terrorists as they strike terror in them, right?
All the muslim boys can be circumcized. All muslim women can wear a burkha.
Can all hindu men wear the thread ?
Can all hindu men be allowed to be priests in any temple they want to ?
Can anyone become professor if they want to?
Yes, if they’re qualified.
CAn everyone become a KAZI or a Priest or Pope in church…..
I am sorry Ma’am, but I don’t think that you have quite grasped the point that I was making. And how exactly did you come to the conclusion that I wanted to read articles only on Hindus?
Exactly no one talks about or rather are scared of burkas and crosses
They love their life u see
religion has nothing to do with caste. caste is not a hindu symbol.
The focus here is on the oldest issue, the caste system and how it has ramifications in a variety of other isssues.
Comments full of threads and sanghis..
Shitt ?
What about raising children by parents with bearing cross or beards? Any thought or article on that too?
Bogus, another motivated attack on a harmless Hindu practice. It’s like asking Hindu, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jain’s etc to “not” follow their religious practices. For Muslims & Christians it’s all hunky dory.
“Excellent?” Does the author even know what the thread ceremony means? It means that the child is to be educated from that day onwards and the first thing he is taught is “aham brahmasmi” which, I doubt the author knows, means that I am the same as the world consciousness-i.e every life on this planet contains “God”. It teaches inclusiveness and not the exclusiveness that the author is talking about. Please, Harnidh Kaur, understand what you are talking about and then criticize it. Such idle, lazy journalism that you have indulged in just shows where your slip is showing and does not denigrate the object of your criticism. And who gave you the right to want violence on someone’s children? Don’t you have any? This is the first time that I have come across a Khalistani marxist and I dont like them at all. Look in the mirror before you criticize others.
the writer herself is an hypocrite who rants after wearing the sikh kripan n lng haris n religious signs to prove her origins …. casteism is still prevalent in sikhism which was founded by hindu guru nanak to remove casteism .. but like the sikh communist leader who said he was communist bu still wore turban it shows the hypocrisy of these anti hindus sikhs
First deal with the caste system as this is the oldest issue that has ramifications in many other issues both old and new.
Do all Hindus wear the thread? Or only the upper caste hindus are required to?
depends on once choice, anyone can wear it
Once, most people wore it.. even girls. Even today, in Tamilnadu, sculptors, goldsmiths, etc still wear it.
It was a sign of formally entering education – a child wearing the janeu/poonal was respected by whole community as education was valued. I am proud to have both my son and daughter go through the ceremony – since then, they do sit in front of god and do gayathri everyday – it is a way to calm themselves while also remembering what is important in life amidst all the stress and rat race.
1)Whataboutism – ck it out.
2)No other religious tradition in the world has a “holy” book that teaches a varna system
First get to know about varna system. How a person become brahmin, vaishya and kshatriya? cuz a person is shudra at the time of birth.
You are wrong … Nowhere Hindu scriptures teach caste superiority…. Varna is psychological orientation of the individual….. It’s never associated with Caste…. Caste is a later period insertion into the SOCIAL set up….
IF a christian has to be secular, he need not throw a cross ,so does a Hindu or a hindu-Brahmin ( in yoru words)….I’m born to brahmin parents and have mix of cousins and uncles/aunties who have associated with family through love marriages…. No where we are taught superioiryt. In prayers , we ar taught clearnliness. thats not caste. Eating from one single plate is not good so we all have plates, we do eat snacks from others plates in htoesl etc( typical of our generation)…….My maid and her family sit with us an eat when required. in TABLE….mind you….. so you commies are the ones who have tied up with the Secular brigade of missionaries who come under garb of secularism to slowly cut away Hindus from our practices and then say oh come one.. JEsus is just preached in Vedas…. there is a huge team of so caleld “tamil REserach” SCHOLARS who are publishing paper after paper citing all Saiva literature of Tamils came out of influence of BIBLE…. and that hindu Gods like Murugan and Valli are from local ones who are come from devotees of Jesus….. one political party even goes to the extent of saying ( under the influence of this tamil pseudo-research) that Murugan or Kartikeya as Hindus refer to as MURUGESH….. so that one day they can convert him as a disciple of Jesus….
Request to those people who things somewhere their parents or grandparents are discriminating in between cast and believes these things… Just help them to access with world through internet and realize them world already has many greater issues.. Which are much more important then castsystem and this system never going to worth towards their life..
It is true that caste differences do exist visibly or invisibly among many indians perhaps especially of previous generations.,perhaps more visible in rural ,perhaps more invisibly in urban
Some so called modern upper caste people are hypocrites.They talk tall of no caste but in action and indirect wordings they do try to show their personal superior caste feelings in one way or other.
However it seems caste system cant be thrown out completely from the indian society perhsps atleast for a hundred years because it has some other motives and strings attachedNo
Reg sacred thread my personal opinion is anyone can wear it if they wish to.
If they dont want they need not be forced.
Reg parents if at all they wish to conduct sacred thread ceremony (since holding of the sacred thread ceremony of minor children is under parents control) would suggest not to spend lakhs of rupees on it as some people do in some parts of india to show their money power and conduct a very simple function.
If adults who have had it dont wish to wear it then perhaps no need to enforce it.
If people want to wear it is perhaps not to be restricted to any caste creed or even sex or other discriminations.
If they dont want to their choice.
Not going into religious aspects or other religions etc.
This is so dumb
Cultural imposition. You are denying them their right to practice, profess and preach their religion. You are plain anti-constitional. Are they physically discrimination other castes by their very act of practicing their faith. The print has reached a new level of anti-nationalism.
Make a woman the shahi imam of jama masjid and tell Rahul Gandhi to throw his ‘janeu’ and then talk rubbish..
I think those who write such ignorant and hateful article like Miss Kaur, that if you still wear turban and other 5 symbols of sikhism, then we are still having cast system. That needs to be eliminated.
The writer seems to have mixed up class, caste, community and religion!
Hope I don’t become a writer like you.
– Proud Baniya
Dinmab or whatever your name is stfu with your agenda. Am surprised that this is written by a Sikh,a religion which has superiority for the jatt castes. Heck even here in England there’s jatt only gurudwaras.
These people will neither lift guns, nor will spread hatred. But the people with caps will do. Do you kcufers have guts to raise a voice against them.
I am a Brahmin and I am saying it loud and clear : IF WE WANT TO WEAR A SACRED THREAD, IT’S OUR CHOICE!
Firstly, the sacred thread is a symbol of initiation into a Brahmin lifestyle. A Brahmin’s lifestyle is strict and rigid. Brahmin’s duty is to serve society and lead them on the path of virtue through education of the Vedas, our treasure trove of knowledge.
The sacred thread is a traditional we will not stop following because it harms no one and is a major part of our tradition and culture.
Seeing a feminine name : Can u please try to be a priest in a temple ?
Fix this disgusting practise in this religion.
Yes bro girl can also be preist.
Shameful article.
These so called ‘new gen feminist’ will never make such suggestions against Muslims. They see all the problems in Hinduism but all other religions are just perfect.
If one talks about her own hypocrisies then she will start cribbing and complaining but does not deter from finding faults with everyone else and their beliefs.
The author has no idea about what he/she is writing..what is the problem of these people with a harmless Hindu ritual??
Woah what a big steaming pile of horse crap this article is.
In case you didn’t know, “yagyopavit” or the sacred thread is given to someone as a part of a ritual that symbolises the beginning of their education.
Please stop labelling it as a symbol of oppression. You do realize that anyone can wear it now, irrespective of their caste?
What is stopping someone belonging to a historically opressed caste from wearing one today??
Stop creating a schism between people. There are enough people doing that, we don’t need more. Get something actually meaningful to write upon.
Hidus are not allowed into temples today.
What is stopping someone belonging to a historically opressed caste from wearing one today?? – people will be killed for doing this today in parts of india.
Maybe time to open ur eyes to the reality.
Madam why don’t you preach your Sikh fraternity to abandon the five k’s that you have in your religion? Can you do that? If you can’t, then please don’t come to preach members of another religion.Now should we listen to your words and decide what to wear and what not to? Will people like you teach us? If yes, then tell me why should we listen to you in the first place? Do you belong to our religion? No? Then please keep away from instructing what we should or shouldn’t do. You’re just a third person to comment upon our religion.
Because only one religion treats members of its own religion terribly ? When there is a criticism maybe it is better to accept and correct ?
Hindus are not allowed into hindu temples today. Fix that
Who the hell are u . We dont follow that now im a Shudra and a Proud Hindu moron
May be your poetic skills are better than your writing skills. Just do a favor to yourself quit writing your baised views toward a culture. Please please dont write any other garbage.
Thanks
Yes madam is telling the truth. Caste still Is prevalent. It still marginalizing students. Still killing the basic human rights.
BUT OF THE SO CALLED UPPER CASTE
The title itself reflects the prejudice that these kind of Intellectuals hold against ones culture.
Here the writer writes about why should the parents not allow their kids to wear the Sacred Thread.
A Sacred Thread, which is a part of a Culture of Many Hindu families ,suddenly becomes a Regressive symbol of The pre- caste world where it promotes Casteism.
The writer here claims herself to be Feminist.
These are the kind of people who would loose their mind if someone dictates terms to them on what should one be wearing, and rightly so.
But what about other’s choice to wear what they like?
Who are they to dictate terms on what Should I be wearing and how appropriate it is?
Where do these Five- Star Feminists Loose their Voice while talking against the regressive practices prominent in other Religions.
If the Sacred Thread is a Bone of Contention, so should be the Burkha, or Nikaah Halala. No?
I often wonder if a simple ,non harmful piece of Thread which is not even visible to the onlookers ,promotes Casteism, How is the Skull Cap or Holy Cross never questioned by these Armchair Intellectuals.
A Skull Cap, A Thread, A Turban are all parts of the different cultures people follow and one must have all the respect for other’s Customs, if it’s not harmful.
But the kind of liberty these Bigoted Intellectuals enjoys while Bashing Only the Hindu customs is a bit beyond my Comprehension.
I leave it to the viewer to Comprehend and put forward their views
This is one of the most pathetic articles I’ve ever read. In this way, Muslims should not be allowed to wear their caps, Sikhs shouldn’t be allowed to carry kripan et cetera.
There’s just load of bullshit in this article. Grow up.
All muslims can wear a cap and all sikhs can carry kripan.
I was not allowed into a temple in 2018 why ?
You forgot to take off your shoes.
What a pseudo feminist bitch.
Using the surname ‘kaur’ defines her ‘caste-bias’ rather than all the Hindus who go through janeu.
Yes ma’am, but like thread shouldn’t you peach about skull cap or turban? Also the biggest care discrimination today is official – “reservation”, why not talk about that?
Want to give a tight hand imprint on the writer’s rosy cheeks…. Kudos for such crap….Waah re secularism….. Feminism
super! really rang clarity and I could definitely associate.
Harnidh Kaur has written simply – The Truth.
It is difficult to speak the truth in a matter so ingrained in us, without causing offense. She has managed to do so in my opinion but when I read the comments of others, I realise that it is not only the truth which affects people, it is also who speaks it.
So, presumably it is both disconcerting and unacceptable for a Hindu to be told a truth by a Sikh.
Other comments make it clear that an equal amount of truth must be spoken about Islam before gaining the moral right to speak the truth to Hindus.
On my part I believe every Hindu must discard caste from his/her heart not just from the Constitution. I genuinely believe that we must discard all reservations and use only economic & educational backwardness as criteria for devising any scheme of assistance.
It is self-evident that the whole reservation framework and the politics around it merely serves to sustain and feed the monster of caste.
Education, mobility and prosperity are the quickest ways to give caste a decent burial in two decades.
Let’s make that our National Aim.
Absolutely right..thanks for articulating it so well Sir!
My husband Rahul is a six footer, who can make a Jacobs thread bridge that’s 20 cms in length from his Janeu thread doubled over once. Often between writing code for a proud Indian company, he makes beautiful bridge designs and once even a Eiffel Tower of the thread. I challenge every Hindu to make a bridge that’s longer than 20 cms. Then let’s talk of power of holy thread. https://youtu.be/zIHfMkxVlnU
“To borrow from psychiatrist and philosopher Frantz Fanon, since oppression understands the language of violence and brute force, that’s how it must be dealt with too — completely and without mercy.”
This is a mechanical approach which ignores nature and will fail as it always does. Communists like Fannon carry a great deal of emotional violence within which they cannot be rid of. They use it to carry out sudden reform and the violence appears in new forms.
Writers like Kaur would not have the slightest idea of what I speak, which is a tragedy since there are many like him on the left and right both who believe in harsh inhuman ‘solutions’ to problems.
This to me sounds like Burning the house to clean it. I understand Caste as structure itself divides, and brings a certain sense of hierarchy to work & choice of livelihood. Caste is also used for Power politics. but then in addressing this problem is it right to destroy the good practices that have somehow paired with a caste. For instance, here we question the practice of a Brahmin wearing his thread, then shouldn’t we also question a Tribal practice of maybe worshipping a tree or wearing a specific kind of accessory the same way. Instead of saying I am cutting my ties of this identity because this has manipulated people, is it possible to look at identities for what they are and appreciate the diversity or adopt the good practices? Can we let go of rigidity in sticking to a Caste or cutting off from it and instead keep what is productive and evolve from that?
Dear reserved category parents: no we don’t live in a post caste world if you still encourage your children to bow to someone in a thread. Get some self respect before you expect to receive it from others
Talks about freedom of speech and proceeds to judge people on wearing a thread. Maybe we should have a quota on who gets access to the internet
So you’re attacking traditions now? How about other traditions followed by other religions, their sub-sects and castes? Why specifically target the “thread-wearing” community? You want us to remove our threads? And then what?
These threads (just like many other practices) are here for a reason, and they are a symbol of a Vedin a.k.a. someone who learns and teaches the Vedas. What’s wrong if someone wishes to do exactly that? You want to strip them off the thread?
The only point I agree with in your article is that parents need to talk to children more, and encourage debates and dialectics at home instead of forcing the children to obey. Other than that, it’s a very unbalanced article. Removal of caste system should be an institutional change. Only then will it percolate into the masses. Why do we still have “caste-based” reservations? If the Indian constitution does not advocate a caste-based society, then why is this reservation still here. If you want to give support to under-privileged communities or individuals, then do it based on financial status or something else, NOT caste. There are wealthy people in the so-called lower castes and poor people in the so-called higher castes. So such a reservation is simply wrong and unjust.
I think she should try saying the same to the other religion saying why wear caps/cross / lent / roza / Khalisthan movements etc.. I am sure she does not have the spine to do that. bloody desh drohi..
You are entering a dangerous territory by writing such cheap articles about holy thread and thread ceremony…..dont ever do this again… This article is hurting us very badly remove it immediately
She is writing on Hinduism and its caste system since Hinduism is the most liberal and evolving religion. Can she write any such article on Islam? Can she write on Sikhism which is another fundamental religion like Islam. Can she write such article on Christians?
Harnidh Kaur should talk about her own religion first. Fundamentalists in the making. Wake up n put to sleep their holy book, killed thousands of Hindus in Punjab, and now demanding Khalistan. Start with your self before you sermonize.
Well written artical. It is true. Even educated, middle-class Hindus blindly follow tradition without any wisdom. What is the use of having all intellectuals going to IIT when they are spreading caste.
That’s ludicrous and ridiculous A writer belongs to a community that is most vocal about its community identity Turbans, Khanda, Kada and shouting Boel so nihal Wow that is not caste Jatt Sikh, Non-Jutt sikh Majhabi Sikh is not Caste
Openly sporting beards without moustache, Wearing skull capss and That cross is not casteist, right?
I can sense your hatred against Hindu identity.
Brahmins made sikhs and they fought for the nation like everybody else SO That’s the case but people like you can write porn for communists – thats what this article I raet – pure porn for Commies
Your article clearly shows you are confused.. you also don’t have your facts right.. considering today’s scenario it is actually the lower castes and the minorities that are getting the most privileges, even when 90% of them don’t require it!
Also keeping in mind your perception about “the thread” why did you run such a huge charade on your Instagram story and Twitter handle when Gucci made the turban a fashion accessory?
And that you have to take the outrage of all the people you have offended because of this article (I really felt bad because it’s not ok to abuse any woman, especially that, that person went onto your mother), why are you now taking help of the term “minority”?
Preach what you say first and then advice the society.
I am not a Brahmin but what you wrote has no logic.
An article like this coming from you is definitely a shock!
And I feel sorry for this country where people jump onto abusing anybody and everybody when things can be actually said in a much polite way.
That is called her FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION….. she will ahte someone selectively and love someone selectively…. and there is no common point of reference…
Sure she is practicing her rights righteously.. but Hindus are not lab rats!
Caste name in ur name 🙂 naiceee – very modern.
Try reading what ur forefathers did to others.
Absolurely Absusrd illogical and ignorant article to demonise even the rituals of sanatan dharma.
Also dear madam, try to understand and assimilate the benefits of ‘Sandhyavandane’ that a person wearing Janeu (the sacred hrea) is supposed to perform. This is specifically in reference to the headline of your ‘so called’ opinion article.
Madam, it appears you don’t understand anything and has a very dry and sick life. It is better you keep quiet and learn something to make your life better.
these idiots write the articles against the Hindus and when there is a retaliation they cry as a victim and accuse Hindus of being intolerant. By the way, Harnidh Kaur you forget to mention the parents who raise their children with bearing beard and cross don’t you want to live in a post-religion world?
Garnish Kaur has double benefits. As minority and as a woman. We came broke from now Pakistan and built everything without any reservation. India my country a disappointment. Do not feel Indian.
Dear Harnidh Kaur,
I think you are mixing diversity and discrimination and you believe that diversity leads to discrimination so destroy every symbol that makes you different than others. Difference doesn’t mean disrespect to others. If some section of society feels they are superior than other then its not because they are different than other but because they don’t understand others point of view. Here, the thread has simple symbolism that you have at least three responsibilities i.e. पितृ ऋण(responsibilities towards parents and ancestors), देव ऋण(responsibility towards teachers), ऋषि ऋण(responsibilities towards knowledge). Where does discrimination comes in between? It only comes when you don’t know the very thing and its symbolism thoroughly. I am not surprised that you are used language like “since oppression understands the language of violence and brute force”. Ignorant people use exactly this kind of language of violence.
Excellent point – about mixing diversity and discrimination.
It is true that brahminism is about egoism and greed but the oppressed need to do their own work and refuse calmly to respect someone simply because he wears a thread. They lack courage to go against the dangerous servility of their ancestors who would rather clean toilets than assert the rights of their children to an occupation of their choice.
The writer is very confused. God bless her.
Since, Ms. Kaur is hell bent to have a homogeneous societies, why not start with your own community. Charity begins at home. If you’re pagdi determines your faith, my janeu is also expression of my Faith. Only Fools comment on things they don’t know about… & You’re certainly one of them, Your name suits your intellect, pedestrian…
Ms Kaur,
I have huge amount of respect for Sikhs and sardars and did not think an article like this could come from you.
Culture and customs are not than people’s political assertiveness. One wears a janeu not because he wants to be assertive or castiest, but it’s just his custom as in a thing that he feels comfortable with because it is bequeathed by his/her ancestors.
No need to colour it.
BTW, Did you or sikh brothers go remove the kirpan and the pagdi in same breath?
No offence to Sikhs. I love them and have huge amount of respect. Just questioning the writer.
Too much of gibberish, logic totally non existent… Such people have wet dreams of Hindu Bashing and nothing else… The Sikh signs of Religion look heavenly while the Janeu seems anethema to her..or him… Whoever wrote this shit….
On top of that, advocating violence too…
And no, I am not a Brahmin….
But the writer is a butthead for sure
Kindly remove this article from your site
The author has no clue on what threading ceremony stands for
I might resort to legal actions against the print and the author if not done so
I would recommend the print to consult scholars who are well versed in such religious issues before publishing such articles
Hahaha. Go ahead. You have neither the time nor the belief. Just baseless ego.
If not what? People like you will keep India a 3rd world country. You are no different than fundamental Islamists.
I think problem is not with caste but with getting respected socially. To get respect money, job, promotions did not help. Only knowledge commands respect.so solution to problem lies in knowledge based education and not twisted history, pseudo liberalism, rat race efucation.Only Knowledgeable teachers Grimm society to get enlightened so as to command respect.
The writer , does not seems to know the history of caste, The present day caste system Indians following belongs to European system. It all started in 1911. The present day Dalits are a creation of 1871 British criminal tribes act. How come no one talks about it? It seems whole world is viewing others through christianised lenses!!! why does every one has to fit in the standards set out by christians? islmist seesm to discard the christian standards hence there is friction across the globe. Now it seems the attack is on Hindus to use christian lens or standards of living. The author of this article has no previous knowledge about Hinduism or Hindu History. Very bad article.
Yes, like every topi, burkha wala / wali are ISIS, Alkayeda Supporter.
pagdi wala is khalistani supporter and every one who wears cross is child molesters.
whay don’t you killer Comunist fuck ur own buisness.
The same applies to religion too. Our Netas pretend to be secular even as they are preparing to base their electoral fortunes on caste and religion.
This is such a dumb opinion. This idiot calls himself as feminist and has no freaking clue of what he writes. Does he know why the varnas wear Janeyu? He looks to be a confused brat and tries to spread the stupid confusion he has and shares his mindless hallucinations under the guise of progressive culture. Dude, get your regular shot of smoking pot and get back to your fantasy worlds. We dont need your stupid advice !!!
Oh I am casteist and there are some castes I totally discriminate against – they are feminists, leftists, secularist, post modern liberals. I would say they should be denied education, many of them are supposedly educated, but still ended up as such idiots., so it is a waste of resources.
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What these new low castes want, is that everybody should be made from exact same mould, amorphous blobs of goo. Now they are assailing the collective identities like nationality, gender, faith, caste, community etc. Next step they will assault the individual identities as well, in fact they do so already within the groups. The end result is the Islamic utopia, everybody an automaton behaving to a book.
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It is important for parents to teach their kids to take pride in their heritage, but still be aware of adopting it to context. And be made aware of these detestable castes which may appear benign and idealistic, but carry on utter rot
Stop this anti-Hindu propaganda and cultural genocide of Hindus by blind hate towards Hinduism..Not just Brahmins, many Upper castes and OBC castes do have sacred thread ceremony,even latest Dalit Hindu priest from Kerala Yadu Krishnan started wearing sacred thread after initiation..many western Hindu priests and non-brahmin Hindu priests also wear sacred thread after initiation..educate yourselves..Vedas are sacred to all 1.3 billion Hindus..anti-Hindus leave us Hindus alone…these anti-Hindu feminists speak as if castes are there only among Hindus..in this nation, Muslims have 300 plus castes,dalit muslims, upper caste muslims, OBC muslims are also there..Sikhs, Christians, Jains also have castes…Dalit Sikhs are denied rights by upper caste Sikhs also..and these sick anti-Hindu feminists will speak only against Brahmins
The author is a typical leftist who does not understand Indian culture. The thread is worn as an indicator of the resolve to walk the path of Brahman and truth (hence by definition it is not for liars like Communists). It is not only Brahmins but Kshatriyas who have worn it in the past. The Sandhya brahmins do daily is a form of meditation and there are many studies that indicate the benefits of meditation. But again, meditation is not for violent Leftists
I a dalit. I want to wear it. I am ready to do meditation and stuff.
Why don’t you? Who is stopping you? That will be the real revolution. When The resentful oppressed stop justifying their own parents’ cowardice.
I am not a Brahmin. I have done my upanayanam. I wear the thread. I chant Gayatri. I do Sandhya. I did my Upanayanam with the Art of living ashram.
Use Google to find any arya samaj temple in your vicinity.
any one from* so called other castes* ,but who is really interested wearing it and wishes to adhere to things attached to it can wear it and that it is not to be the previlege of *so called certain upper castes*only.
There should not be any discriminations of any sort including sex.
Thats personal opinion.no offence meant whatsoever.
The writer has a point. But what if this brahmin thread ceremony is alien to India itself. Brahmin may just be a community from central Asia, a community closely related to Iranian people. So it is rather a community practise, not necessarily designed for oppression. Of course, the caste system designed by Brahmin is oppressive, it has a simple motto though. To put themselves at the top of the social system through entitlement. Even the Rg Veda seems to be modified, Purusa Sukta, to sanctify this oppression. Rest of Indians should be confident and choose not to be defined by this Brahminical world view. Non Brahmanical India produced some of the greatest thinkers mankind has ever produced, The Buddha and The Mahavira. So, cheer up, let’s not fight each other, rather learn from the collective wisdom of mankind as a whole.
Stop this anti-Hindu propaganda and cultural genocide of Hindus by blind hate towards Hinduism..Not just Brahmins, many Upper castes and OBC castes do have sacred thread ceremony,even latest Dalit Hindu priest from Kerala Yadu Krishnan started wearing sacred thread after initiation..many western Hindu priests and non-brahmin Hindu priests also wear sacred thread after initiation..educate yourselves..Vedas are sacred to all 1.3 billion Hindus..anti-Hindus leave us Hindus alone…these anti-Hindu feminists speak as if castes are there only among Hindus..in this nation, Muslims have 300 plus castes,dalit muslims, upper caste muslims, OBC muslims are also there..Sikhs, Christians, Jains also have castes…Dalit Sikhs are denied rights by upper caste Sikhs also..and these sick anti-Hindu feminists will speak only against Brahmins
Everyone thankfully reinterprets the words of Rig veda to prove one caste is superior or inferior… the VEDA NEVER SAYS THAT.. It’s the Zakir naik’s and seculars and missionaries who invented these theories to prove that their conversion job is justified….
Arunabha Ghosh writer is clueless and so are you .. caste system was not made by brahmins it was taken advantage of by every community rated as superior to the next …
Kshatrias were centre of power they weilded the weapons and lathis they are obc and get reservation .Traders weilded money power. Both communities had vested interest in maintining order and supreiority You cant solely blame the caste system on brahmins who are the easiest targets as they neither had much power or money. even a dalit community higher in the hierarchy considers another dalit community inferior when it comes to marriage etc .
white man divided africans into two communities and considered the fair skinned people more superior ,,, that is the hutu and tutsis and look how much mas murder has happened .. who will u blame for that ?
The woman should start from the caste divisions of her own community ie sikhs where even there are multiple akhadas and deras , dera sacha sauda became very popular for what ? dont pray on the weakest !! go challange the power of nihangs and blue turban enforcers of religion . Dare the khalistanis if u have the guts
Purusha Sukta does nto sanctify this… it speaks of VARNA…. nto caste.. ALL VARNAS haev come from that one HIRANYAGARBHA…..who was first created by the unmanifested god ….. SO chill… yo uare reading into the missionary interpretation of the likes of evangelical WEndy doninger….
Why do people want to impose their Caste free ideologies on all people… . even constitution of India also want that there should be caste less society..I’m a student of History & Anthropology and an Engineer by profession.. but I never heard that there exist a egalitarian society.. how can there will be a society where everyone is at equal foot.. even observe Nature you will see that.. Read Mahatma Gandhji’s book/thoughts he said untouchability is wrong but not varnashram system.but makers of the constitution did not pay attention to his thoughts rather included some foreign concept of equality &others.. rather There should be limited equality of opportunity.. though I’m not a Brahman but I certainly admire there effort/talent that they are hardly 5% of total population yet they are ruling India through every department
I believed that every Indian is equal regardless of their class or caste. We were brought up that way despite the elders’ disapproval. But the venom of caste entered my life after admission to college. Despite securing a good 3 digit rank, I wasn’t eligible for the college I desired but someone who was 20 times mine, got admission into it.
How can I treat a SC ST students to be equal to me ..How can I do group study with a SC ST students when I know he can be selected even if he gets 30-40% marks less then me… Reply me
Till reservation is there I will be castiest and will raise awareness among all general category students to be castiest.. Remove reservation then talk
Even without reservations the upper castes get the maximum number of the top government posts. How much more do they want?
Are you talking about the 100% caste reservation to be priests in temple that is the oldest ?
Lets start employing “brahmins” as scavengers and cleaners in municipalities and corporations and “low caste” people as priests, shall we ?
when they have better jobs why they work as sweeper,are they demand a job from u.
Since we do not have a women pope or priest or mulla or pandit etc. we are far far away from a post patriarchy world or women’s equality. ???
Are You still living in the British Colonial era if You still text in English and wear Shirts and Trousers..??
Are all muslims wearing the fez and sporting an Islamic beard, living the Caliphate??
Are all Christians with a Cross hanging round their necks, dreaming of a Crusade..??
um true, but if you look at the statistics it’s the non twice-born castes commit heinous caste crimes like murder and rapes. It’s landed&landless peasants, mostly the landed peasants who are dominant OBCs, who commit those crimes. Who will stop them?
I don’t see a problem with the thread ceremony, as long as it extends to every boy in India who wants it. Anyone from any caste. If that’s okay, by all means. It’s a whole lot of Sanskrit gibberish, smoke in eyes and good feast food. Ensure everyone who wants it, gets it. Also teach boys to not rape – compulsory lecture. That part needs to be added in India. Otherwise we re getting quite a reputation.
most of the rapists or convicts are from the religion of peace. no use lecturing hindus. 35% of jailed convicts are muslims. go and lecture them.
no one stopped others from wearing the threads or no one can stop them. all you shit is just to blame hindus or brhamins.
If 35% convicts are Muslims in a majority Hindu country then thete is teadon to suspect bias against them. In any communal riot we see Hindus being let off with the remark “lack of sufficient evidence” while Muslims are incarcerated in jails even without a trial.
Who stopped whom?
I am.ok with burka if all wear it
And sanskrit gibberish?
So you are very secular or intelligent
Learn some common manners
And what about those parents circumcise their sons and make their daughters wear burka or make their sons keep their hair uncut and wear turbans? Why these topics are not discussed? Hinduism has survived for centuries primarily because of its continuos reforms. Why there are so few articles on it except to take pot shots at RSS or other such organisations?
Shouldn’t issues of majority deserve commensurate proportion of stories? So many Hindus! Everything shd be about Hindus ofcourse. You wanted it, now you re getting it
i dont see any proble wearing a thread then wearing a burkha or circumsion. its just thief vs terrorists. you always bark at thieves but not a word on terrorists. its not abt proportion but it shud be based on extremism of the traditions. wearing a thread is not as extreme as wearing a burkha or circumsion.
its just another reason to blame hindus.
To the untouchables and Dalits the upper castes appear as terrorists as they strike terror in them, right?
All the muslim boys can be circumcized. All muslim women can wear a burkha.
Can all hindu men wear the thread ?
Can all hindu men be allowed to be priests in any temple they want to ?
Can anyone become professor if they want to?
Yes, if they’re qualified.
CAn everyone become a KAZI or a Priest or Pope in church…..
I am sorry Ma’am, but I don’t think that you have quite grasped the point that I was making. And how exactly did you come to the conclusion that I wanted to read articles only on Hindus?
Exactly no one talks about or rather are scared of burkas and crosses
They love their life u see
religion has nothing to do with caste. caste is not a hindu symbol.
The focus here is on the oldest issue, the caste system and how it has ramifications in a variety of other isssues.
Comments full of threads and sanghis..
Shitt ?
What about raising children by parents with bearing cross or beards? Any thought or article on that too?
Excellent
Bogus, another motivated attack on a harmless Hindu practice. It’s like asking Hindu, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jain’s etc to “not” follow their religious practices. For Muslims & Christians it’s all hunky dory.
“Excellent?” Does the author even know what the thread ceremony means? It means that the child is to be educated from that day onwards and the first thing he is taught is “aham brahmasmi” which, I doubt the author knows, means that I am the same as the world consciousness-i.e every life on this planet contains “God”. It teaches inclusiveness and not the exclusiveness that the author is talking about. Please, Harnidh Kaur, understand what you are talking about and then criticize it. Such idle, lazy journalism that you have indulged in just shows where your slip is showing and does not denigrate the object of your criticism. And who gave you the right to want violence on someone’s children? Don’t you have any? This is the first time that I have come across a Khalistani marxist and I dont like them at all. Look in the mirror before you criticize others.
the writer herself is an hypocrite who rants after wearing the sikh kripan n lng haris n religious signs to prove her origins …. casteism is still prevalent in sikhism which was founded by hindu guru nanak to remove casteism .. but like the sikh communist leader who said he was communist bu still wore turban it shows the hypocrisy of these anti hindus sikhs
First deal with the caste system as this is the oldest issue that has ramifications in many other issues both old and new.
Do all Hindus wear the thread? Or only the upper caste hindus are required to?
depends on once choice, anyone can wear it
Once, most people wore it.. even girls. Even today, in Tamilnadu, sculptors, goldsmiths, etc still wear it.
It was a sign of formally entering education – a child wearing the janeu/poonal was respected by whole community as education was valued. I am proud to have both my son and daughter go through the ceremony – since then, they do sit in front of god and do gayathri everyday – it is a way to calm themselves while also remembering what is important in life amidst all the stress and rat race.
1)Whataboutism – ck it out.
2)No other religious tradition in the world has a “holy” book that teaches a varna system
First get to know about varna system. How a person become brahmin, vaishya and kshatriya? cuz a person is shudra at the time of birth.
You are wrong … Nowhere Hindu scriptures teach caste superiority…. Varna is psychological orientation of the individual….. It’s never associated with Caste…. Caste is a later period insertion into the SOCIAL set up….
IF a christian has to be secular, he need not throw a cross ,so does a Hindu or a hindu-Brahmin ( in yoru words)….I’m born to brahmin parents and have mix of cousins and uncles/aunties who have associated with family through love marriages…. No where we are taught superioiryt. In prayers , we ar taught clearnliness. thats not caste. Eating from one single plate is not good so we all have plates, we do eat snacks from others plates in htoesl etc( typical of our generation)…….My maid and her family sit with us an eat when required. in TABLE….mind you….. so you commies are the ones who have tied up with the Secular brigade of missionaries who come under garb of secularism to slowly cut away Hindus from our practices and then say oh come one.. JEsus is just preached in Vedas…. there is a huge team of so caleld “tamil REserach” SCHOLARS who are publishing paper after paper citing all Saiva literature of Tamils came out of influence of BIBLE…. and that hindu Gods like Murugan and Valli are from local ones who are come from devotees of Jesus….. one political party even goes to the extent of saying ( under the influence of this tamil pseudo-research) that Murugan or Kartikeya as Hindus refer to as MURUGESH….. so that one day they can convert him as a disciple of Jesus….
And you are a bloody anti hindu media
Request to those people who things somewhere their parents or grandparents are discriminating in between cast and believes these things… Just help them to access with world through internet and realize them world already has many greater issues.. Which are much more important then castsystem and this system never going to worth towards their life..