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Sir you are correct in highlighting the compromises occuring in the gallantry award selection especially in the police service.
Many commentators have opined that karkare deserves it for giving the ultimate sacrifice. Are these idiots aware (unfortunate that they dont know their armys valour) that there were several casualities of senior officers including brigadiers, major generals and lieutenant generals both during counter insurgency and sub conventional operations in j&k and in wars fought from 47 to 99.
The police forces are a collective representation of the failures of the indian internal security state. We are dragging by our existence and statehood, barely surviving mass insurgencies in 15 differemt states thanks to the contribution of the respective police and the great indian police service cadre. The army unfortunately is called to rescue each one of their failures.
And now they have the gall to point out that army reaps a lot more rewards. What of all the 26000 dead soldiers since independence . How many of them got the awards. Show me one force which has incurred so many casualities. Are they aware of the officer casuality ratio. These stoned hearted selfish people are the reason why the denigration of armed forces has occurred in our country.
It would also have been relevant if u had highlighted the “staff gallantry” awards metted out to senior army generals wholesale to buy their loyalty off from representing true grievances of the army.
Shameful and dastardly to criticize award of a gallant officer killed in action. Karkare could have stayed back and let the terrorists run amuck, waiting for the NSG to arrive (they arrived in leisurely fashion hours too late) during which time the terrorists would have taken more lives. But he chose to go after them, knowing full well that he was outgunned and under-protected. Therein lay the gallantry. The fact that he was ambushed and shot means nothing. By that yardstick we should not have given the Param Vir Chakra to Maj. Shaitan Singh of Rezang La fame, because he was killed by the Chinese and failed to hold the ground he was meant to. It is as idiotic as that. The general is right that some forces (the Army in particular) award medals to all and sundry at the drop of a hat – just look at the uniform of any officer above the rank of Major General, the front is a riot of color. In contrast the police do not award medals that easily.
Wow leisurely!! Are u aware that the delay was because the govt didnt provide them with dedicated fixed wing aircraft even after years of representation. Its so easy to point out fingers without verifying ur nobrainer opinions.
And the police do not award medals easily!!! Where did u get this from? Have u seen the state of presidential police.medal and ppm for gallantry. They are given dime a dozen. Dont pontificate and patronize dear on the state of affairs of the police. They are ridiculously self preserving to the extent of even carrying the slippers of their political masters. Atleast the army still has decency left in accepting its shortcomings. The bureaucracy and police are the biggest ailments in our country. The army is highly transparent and accountable at the officer level. They hunt down those charged with grave offences unlike the shameless protective police.and ias association of our country
This is most unfortunate piece from a man who served in army. What is the central theme of the article maligning a martyr or discussing the need for reforms in the way gallantry awards are given? If it’s latter then why target an upright police officer. The reference to tweets questioning his competence and shamefully accusing him of dead drunk on that fateful night only smells foul. Without any direct reference to Late Karkare and some ugly tweets you could have pressed your point. If at all you wanted to initiate discussion directly pointing fingures why not come up with names of army men who according you were given awards not on merit. It is most unfortunate that in the name of discussion on changing the system you walk on the path of personal vilification of a man who had made supreme sacrifice. You are free to hold your opinion but for me his act of leading from the front is an act of great courage and gallantly. He was ATS chief and he faced the bullets from terrorist bravely. Sir this piece was not expected from you. Don’t quote people who question a martyr and shamelessly level allegations sitting in cosy comfort of home. He had served as DSP of Chandrapur a naxal affected area, my native place. Had the opportunity to meet him once. For me he is hero and will always have my respects. Sorry general don’t agree this time. Have doubts about your intentions.
How can this writer minimize Karkare’s contribution to just this gallantry award?
When India/Maharashtra decided to create an ATS he was chosen to build it from scratch. He was in RAW before that. Top IPS officers, his seniors or juniors looked to him for excellent results and counsel. Just read meeran borwankar’s write up on him.
How does the incorrect or correct award given to karkare when he had no say in the matter give an under-trial the right to defame him?
The events emerging after the statement by Sadhvi Pragya that her curse killed Karkare are amusing. If we consider it true then we are back in the Stone Age. The Sadhvi’s statement came only AFTER his death and hence little credence need be given to her utterances. We are only giving her unnecessary publicity. But let us examine the claim that the officer died in an act of bravery. He and six others died because of utter disregard for SOPs while tackling terrorists in an urban jungle. When you don’t know where the terrorists are, then you too must not reveal your location. This is evidenced by the fact that the terrorists caught them napping, within twenty yards of their getting into a jeep, indicating they were watching everything. By getting into a police jeep with the beacon on, they were virtually saying “Aa bhail mujhe maar”. And look at the seating arrangement. Vijay Salaskar, the most experienced shooter, was driving, and did not even have time to draw his weapon. Karkare, by virtue of seniority hogged the entire middle row. As if status matters in such an operation. They all died due to acts of omission and commission and the gallantry awards were given as a salve to ensure that inconvenient questions were not asked. In any case the Ashoka Chakra has been grossly misused and has lost its value. Incidentally what I have written will be confirmed by police officers and anti-terrorist experts.
TWO QUESTION LT.GEN PANAG:
1. HOW ABOUT GIVING SHAURYA CHAKRA FOR SIMPLY BEING KILLED AFTER ABDUCTION ? I AM TALKING ABOUT SHAURYA CHAKRA TO SEPOY AURANGZEB. DID YOU QUESTIONED IT?
2. LET US NOT GO INTO WEATHER HEMANT KARKARE DIED IN HAND TO HAND COMBAT FIGHT OR DIED JUST AT THE LEVEL OF PREPARING FOR THE ASSAULT, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME SINCE INDEPENDENCE ANY MAJ.GEN KILLED IN ACTION WITH TERRORISTS? OR FOR THAT MATTER GIVE ME NAME OF A BRIGADIER WHO DIED IN ACTION WITH TERRORIST?
I HOPE YOU WILL SURELY ANSWER THESE TWO QUESTION AND ONE MORE THING ABOUT COL ASHOK, HE IS HIGHLY DEFENSIVE CRITIC WHEN IT COMES ARMED FORCES TO THE EXTENT OF DECLARING ARMY ABOVE ALL (LITERALLY ABOVE ALL)
Dear Mr Babu or is it Dr,
I don’t think you quite understand how the armed forces operations happen. Generals don’t fight on the frontline
I also don’t think you know that the Ashok Chakra is equivalent to the Param VIR Chakra in peacetime
The respected General is suggesting a fair way of giving Gallantry awards and his point is valid
Dear Mr Sameer Junnarkar (Dr) ,
I am sure you understand that a Inspector General of Police equivalent to a Maj.Gen too don’t fight front line.
I feel you think too much about what others know, I know it very well that Ashoka Chakra is equivalent Param Veer Chakra in peace time. Now whats your point? If Army think a Jawan’s death in cold blooded murder entitles him Shaurya Chakra, an IG of police died in action entitles an Ashoka Chakra too…. I told general Panag and Col Ashok the same thing that instead writing this on Hemant Karkare to simply give fodder for terror accused sadhvi, they should write an article starting from Army side of awarding ineligibles.
Mr naidu check the data on counter insurgency operations in j and k. There are a total of three lt generals, 4 major generals, 12 brigadiers and several.colonels who got injured or killed during operations. You are incapable to gain information due to ur bureacratic origins.
U will be astonished to know that general manekshaws helicopter was shot at by mizo national front when he was visiting mizoram. Lucky he escaped otherwise even a chief would.have been on the unknown list of urs. Bloody shameful to see ur ignorance.
Sir you are correct in highlighting the compromises occuring in the gallantry award selection especially in the police service.
Many commentators have opined that karkare deserves it for giving the ultimate sacrifice. Are these idiots aware (unfortunate that they dont know their armys valour) that there were several casualities of senior officers including brigadiers, major generals and lieutenant generals both during counter insurgency and sub conventional operations in j&k and in wars fought from 47 to 99.
The police forces are a collective representation of the failures of the indian internal security state. We are dragging by our existence and statehood, barely surviving mass insurgencies in 15 differemt states thanks to the contribution of the respective police and the great indian police service cadre. The army unfortunately is called to rescue each one of their failures.
And now they have the gall to point out that army reaps a lot more rewards. What of all the 26000 dead soldiers since independence . How many of them got the awards. Show me one force which has incurred so many casualities. Are they aware of the officer casuality ratio. These stoned hearted selfish people are the reason why the denigration of armed forces has occurred in our country.
It would also have been relevant if u had highlighted the “staff gallantry” awards metted out to senior army generals wholesale to buy their loyalty off from representing true grievances of the army.
Shameful and dastardly to criticize award of a gallant officer killed in action. Karkare could have stayed back and let the terrorists run amuck, waiting for the NSG to arrive (they arrived in leisurely fashion hours too late) during which time the terrorists would have taken more lives. But he chose to go after them, knowing full well that he was outgunned and under-protected. Therein lay the gallantry. The fact that he was ambushed and shot means nothing. By that yardstick we should not have given the Param Vir Chakra to Maj. Shaitan Singh of Rezang La fame, because he was killed by the Chinese and failed to hold the ground he was meant to. It is as idiotic as that. The general is right that some forces (the Army in particular) award medals to all and sundry at the drop of a hat – just look at the uniform of any officer above the rank of Major General, the front is a riot of color. In contrast the police do not award medals that easily.
Wow leisurely!! Are u aware that the delay was because the govt didnt provide them with dedicated fixed wing aircraft even after years of representation. Its so easy to point out fingers without verifying ur nobrainer opinions.
And the police do not award medals easily!!! Where did u get this from? Have u seen the state of presidential police.medal and ppm for gallantry. They are given dime a dozen. Dont pontificate and patronize dear on the state of affairs of the police. They are ridiculously self preserving to the extent of even carrying the slippers of their political masters. Atleast the army still has decency left in accepting its shortcomings. The bureaucracy and police are the biggest ailments in our country. The army is highly transparent and accountable at the officer level. They hunt down those charged with grave offences unlike the shameless protective police.and ias association of our country
This is most unfortunate piece from a man who served in army. What is the central theme of the article maligning a martyr or discussing the need for reforms in the way gallantry awards are given? If it’s latter then why target an upright police officer. The reference to tweets questioning his competence and shamefully accusing him of dead drunk on that fateful night only smells foul. Without any direct reference to Late Karkare and some ugly tweets you could have pressed your point. If at all you wanted to initiate discussion directly pointing fingures why not come up with names of army men who according you were given awards not on merit. It is most unfortunate that in the name of discussion on changing the system you walk on the path of personal vilification of a man who had made supreme sacrifice. You are free to hold your opinion but for me his act of leading from the front is an act of great courage and gallantly. He was ATS chief and he faced the bullets from terrorist bravely. Sir this piece was not expected from you. Don’t quote people who question a martyr and shamelessly level allegations sitting in cosy comfort of home. He had served as DSP of Chandrapur a naxal affected area, my native place. Had the opportunity to meet him once. For me he is hero and will always have my respects. Sorry general don’t agree this time. Have doubts about your intentions.
How can this writer minimize Karkare’s contribution to just this gallantry award?
When India/Maharashtra decided to create an ATS he was chosen to build it from scratch. He was in RAW before that. Top IPS officers, his seniors or juniors looked to him for excellent results and counsel. Just read meeran borwankar’s write up on him.
How does the incorrect or correct award given to karkare when he had no say in the matter give an under-trial the right to defame him?
Why only gallantry awards? What about the PVSMs dished out every year like sweets to Lt Gens?
The events emerging after the statement by Sadhvi Pragya that her curse killed Karkare are amusing. If we consider it true then we are back in the Stone Age. The Sadhvi’s statement came only AFTER his death and hence little credence need be given to her utterances. We are only giving her unnecessary publicity. But let us examine the claim that the officer died in an act of bravery. He and six others died because of utter disregard for SOPs while tackling terrorists in an urban jungle. When you don’t know where the terrorists are, then you too must not reveal your location. This is evidenced by the fact that the terrorists caught them napping, within twenty yards of their getting into a jeep, indicating they were watching everything. By getting into a police jeep with the beacon on, they were virtually saying “Aa bhail mujhe maar”. And look at the seating arrangement. Vijay Salaskar, the most experienced shooter, was driving, and did not even have time to draw his weapon. Karkare, by virtue of seniority hogged the entire middle row. As if status matters in such an operation. They all died due to acts of omission and commission and the gallantry awards were given as a salve to ensure that inconvenient questions were not asked. In any case the Ashoka Chakra has been grossly misused and has lost its value. Incidentally what I have written will be confirmed by police officers and anti-terrorist experts.
His_presence_there_was_enough_gallantry_Sir!
Agree_that-_tukaram_should_have_got_the_award_too
But_your_posting_trolls_here_which_were_meant_to_mere_demean_an_honest_and_upright_IPS_officer_proves_what_propaganda_you_are_putting_up_here.
SUCH_A_SHAME!
TWO QUESTION LT.GEN PANAG:
1. HOW ABOUT GIVING SHAURYA CHAKRA FOR SIMPLY BEING KILLED AFTER ABDUCTION ? I AM TALKING ABOUT SHAURYA CHAKRA TO SEPOY AURANGZEB. DID YOU QUESTIONED IT?
2. LET US NOT GO INTO WEATHER HEMANT KARKARE DIED IN HAND TO HAND COMBAT FIGHT OR DIED JUST AT THE LEVEL OF PREPARING FOR THE ASSAULT, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME SINCE INDEPENDENCE ANY MAJ.GEN KILLED IN ACTION WITH TERRORISTS? OR FOR THAT MATTER GIVE ME NAME OF A BRIGADIER WHO DIED IN ACTION WITH TERRORIST?
I HOPE YOU WILL SURELY ANSWER THESE TWO QUESTION AND ONE MORE THING ABOUT COL ASHOK, HE IS HIGHLY DEFENSIVE CRITIC WHEN IT COMES ARMED FORCES TO THE EXTENT OF DECLARING ARMY ABOVE ALL (LITERALLY ABOVE ALL)
Dear Mr Babu or is it Dr,
I don’t think you quite understand how the armed forces operations happen. Generals don’t fight on the frontline
I also don’t think you know that the Ashok Chakra is equivalent to the Param VIR Chakra in peacetime
The respected General is suggesting a fair way of giving Gallantry awards and his point is valid
Dear Mr Sameer Junnarkar (Dr) ,
I am sure you understand that a Inspector General of Police equivalent to a Maj.Gen too don’t fight front line.
I feel you think too much about what others know, I know it very well that Ashoka Chakra is equivalent Param Veer Chakra in peace time. Now whats your point? If Army think a Jawan’s death in cold blooded murder entitles him Shaurya Chakra, an IG of police died in action entitles an Ashoka Chakra too…. I told general Panag and Col Ashok the same thing that instead writing this on Hemant Karkare to simply give fodder for terror accused sadhvi, they should write an article starting from Army side of awarding ineligibles.
Mr naidu check the data on counter insurgency operations in j and k. There are a total of three lt generals, 4 major generals, 12 brigadiers and several.colonels who got injured or killed during operations. You are incapable to gain information due to ur bureacratic origins.
U will be astonished to know that general manekshaws helicopter was shot at by mizo national front when he was visiting mizoram. Lucky he escaped otherwise even a chief would.have been on the unknown list of urs. Bloody shameful to see ur ignorance.