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I will cough cough at this suggestion that china is 5000 years old civilization,when han dynasty started with han dynasty in 1000 bc.also hellenic,Iranian and Egyptian culture are still alive and fresh.it is ridiculous to hear that now china claims india,pak,Indonesia,Brazil are poor.first india is the real secular democracy atleast in theory.also,the reason of poverty in these reason is corruption,past dictatorship and bad governance.as for success in Korea,Japan and Singapore democracy has a big role in this.without democracy,there won’t be enhanced workers’ rights,and economic and personal liberty which facilitated their growth.also Chinese culture was already decimated in Qing and mao china.after Liberalization,most of the Chinese are westernised.china do not have superpower skill,and no one is learning Chinese.
Speak for yourself. Most of the westernised Chinese are learning Chinese. And they have high innate talents. The phoenix is the westernised Indians who villas the Chinese at every opportunity because they think they are superior than the Chinese.
I am tired of reading China a super power about to surpass USA in Indian news papers. EU has 350 millon habitants & 19 trillon GDP, USA almost equal, China 14 trillon GDP with 1300 millon habitants, Germany 5 trillon GDP with 82 millon habitants. ¡ Gotcha ! China has a long long way to catch up in science , discoveries , civil freedom, NHS and pension scheme , this is a gap China cannot overcome alone which the chinks ignore.
Speak for yourself. Most of the westernised Chinese are learning Chinese. And they have high innate talents. The phoenix is the westernised Indians who villas the Chinese at every opportunity because they think they are superior than the Chinese.
Wow. What a racist. Then you must be the global world terrorist. Have you got to sort out your own ducking oxygen tank which incidentally are also donated by China, you Indian ungrateful racist Soch douchbag.
This people talking about China ever becoming a superpower are trying so hard with so sound arguments to plead a case so for ever lost in its own nature, China just never be a superpower
Very good article.
The US has many more things than population and industry. That is what China has.
China has done nothing while the modern world was being built for centuries.
Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan also had lots of industry(taken from Britain or US) and a strong military. But that’s not what make you THE superpower.
Copying is very easy, but where were the Chinese when all their technologies and industries were invented?
Why the Western Liberalism that creates those things is absolutely opposite to Chinese Communism…
China never can pass US in any terms china at last will be destroy like soviet unioin isee thr comments here somestupid chones think they can surpass US but they know they never can do that
USA will be always superpower in any terms
Ashok Swain writing is akin to saying 5,000yrs of Chinese/ Asian cuisine can never match 200yrs of American fast food taste, no way because its Oriental.
1) Culture
Culturally, Oriental is deep and rich beyond US 200yrs fast food civilization comparison. This is esp for Chinese that is only nation still preserving its 5,000yrs civilization, while other Great Civilizations like Egypt/ Greece/ Roman had all disappeared.
Hence China will dominate the world culture once again like it did for last few thousands years when it regains economy, military and technology lead.
2) Chinese language
If even all China hawks like Trumps & Oz ex-PM Turnbull also ensured their grandchildren learn Chinese from small, Ashok Swain thinks Chinese language can never regain its past glory that comes with China’s growing might.
Today most of rich and powerful are sending all their offsprings to study Chinese. These people knew where the future lies.
France, Germany & Japan were all once competing with US-UK over global language dominant since 1970’s. They all have much rich & longer civilization, heritage, high technology, powerful economy, and cultural influence over a young USA. But its US economy might that trumps all eventually.
Reason is simple, if you want a good paying job, you gotta learn English. This will happen for China by 2030 too.
3) Allies
These will all come with China’s economy & military rise. There is no permanent friend or enemy for any nation, only common interest.
Japan invaded entire Asia cruelly and still refused to repent, with ambitious to re-militarize itself again. Why nobody is killing them on sight? Its Jp economy power influence, backed by USM.
US & EU had invaded and colonized entire world to plunder them, killing 100s of millions. Why do they still have many allies globally, including most of their victims? Why India is closely alliance with Brits that had enslaved it for over 200yrs? Its the common interest.
Yet new China has never invaded nor colonize any nation after overthrowing occupying Manchu Qing Dynasty. Chinese was not known to colonize others when they were hyperpower like Tang & Ming dynasty
So China has virtually no bad blood with anyone, except Nehru’s poisoned India out of his 1962 humiliating defeat. It will gain allies according to its rising power.
4) Democracy
This is the most stupid argument to think West invented “democracy” is the only highest ideology for mankind. Just look what happen to the current chaotic state of West now, esp US as democracy highest light house. When their past colonial hegemony power to plunder entire world no longer can sustain their lifestyle, society of widely divided rich & poor start to crack.
Look at every democratic & capitalism nations that are not part of West who have enriched themselves via colonialism. Has any one is well developed today?
No, every single one is poor, backward, corrupted, chaotic and over populated. India, Pak, Bangladesh, Mexico, Philippines, Brazil, Indonesia, whole Latin, Africa…you name it.
Only exception is Japan, SK & Singapore. May be Taiwan too. But they had all developed not due to democracy. It was during iron fist ruling of their dictatorship leaders that these nations enter into fast development.
Moreover, Jp, SK and Taiwan were intentionally groomed by US as bulwark to communism during cold war. They were all given free access to West capital, market and technology.
Singapore was due to its exceptional seaport location and powerful dictator leader Lee Kuan Yew.
5) CPC legitimacy
All West pollsters have year after year pointed to growing Chinese trust for their gov, the highest in world at over 90%. Whereas in West, esp US, have all fallen to rock bottom. Many Westerners are starting to doubt their long cherish system.
Moreover, latest survey found Chinese is now the happiest nation in the world, far ahead of West & US, with India at bottom.
Thus China great success in its socialism with Chinese characteristics is now attracting many developing nations, esp in Asia & Africa.
This writer seems to perceive his whole world through his own narrow hatred/envy of China rise. Perhaps he is still harbouring dream of India becoming superpower surpassing China as the “Largest Democracy”.
In 1998, Prez Kalam had written a book to predict India will be poverty free & superpower by 2008. Prez Rao echoed that in R’Day.
In 2008, Economist Swarmy even tweeted: “India will surpass China to challenge US by 2020.”
China will not be superpower, because it will be sole Hyperpower, like Tang Dynasty by 2040.
China never can pass US in any terms china at last will be destroy like soviet unioin you are so fool to think china will surpass us litle copycat china has nothing and just grow with help of europe sn us companys you said every thing wrong chnia is nithing and never can surpass us in any term accept that little copy cat
You destroyed this western loving sell out that wrote this trite dribble passed off as journalism. Bravo, great arguments.
How can China substitute the US.
If the market, the technology, the business environment… Everything is copied from the US.
But in the other hand, they refuse to adopt the values that made it possible.
Instead, they systematically opposed them. And keep the totalitarian values of when they were a collapsed superpower and underdeveloped under their last dinasties and Mao.
If you rise reading books of the US and learning of their businesses. But refuse to have the same cultural environment and ideology.
You can’t keep rising.
Naturetruth,you just have to make sure that ccp keeps behaving,as it has been doing for the last several decades.That is all we need from you.Thanks in advance.
My thoughts are a bit different from the admin here……I think China is surely gonna pass US in every aspect and it is true it cannot take over cultural dominance over the Europeans and Americans although they will surely get acceptance …….the cultural dominance will only be with south east Asian countries which is the next global superpower hub…….. There will be a big power shift from NATO to ASEAN I’m sure about this and if they continue to stick to mandarin then they will live dominantly over south asia easily. Only if they continue to grow at the same pace they have been through this decade . of course it won’t be a total power shift but it would be like 2 different societies living dominantly in their places . China doesn’t really want to “conquer” the world its just not practical in any scenario but they want to secure their interests and gains . also US can come back to power if Americans don’t ” self sabotage ” themselves ….like really that line was the best in this full post the admin has written . who knows things can turn real fast its just a possibility .
I’m dropping this comment even reading the article. The header used here is like saying “second could overtake first in a race but still won’t be first”. How sensible is that?
Hey are you a Chinese person? (No racist) BTW your viewpoint sounds like every normal person of any country that’s seeking to be a superpower…governments think a lot differently they wanna secure their country’s interests and want to be always push ahead their limits that’s when sole superpowers are formed that’s what China is gonna be in 2050 if they don’t start a war which is not gonna happen anyway. I get distracted a lot lol…… Coming to point what does dare to touch them mean in your comment? Everyone has equal respect in dignity in every country …..if someone only the Chinese govt itself beats up its citizens at most …….If you’re talking of countries and worldwide geopolitics you guys ain’t gonna get bullied rather will prolly start bullying other countries for self-interest which is totally fine lol . its what every country would want to do at that position
Ashok is a person to tell the realities in true sense while andhbhakts live in fictional world of Bollywood. So he is considered to be anti India in the eyes of these fairy tale believers
On grounds of media, language and culture the us would lead. But in terms of economics, development, science, military China would become super power. Sun rises over every nation and sets again. Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, British, mongols, Turks, Persians, Arabs, USA and many more came and went.
It’s true that China can match or overcome USA in terms of economic or military power, but culturally it will remain distinct and there can never be people to people contact between the Chinese and the non-Chinese. So building strategic partnership with any other country is out of question. The little friendship that exists between China and Russia, is purely on the presumption that “enemy’s enemy is a friend”; both China and Russia are enemies of USA. Take the case of China-Pakistan friendship; Pakistan may say “China is its all-weather friend”. But the reality is, Pakistan is living by the alms from China and whenever China wants it can screw Pakistan (in fact it does that). The case is India-Russia friendship: Both respected each other and there is a very strong partnership. But has there been any people to people contact? Any cultural acceptability? Except there is military partnership, there is nothing else.
Has Ashok Swain been living under a rock? The funny part was where it said “Americans have more trust in their gov than the Chinese in theirs”. Has this guy missed the numerous independent studies which say the opposite – and by a big margin? Americans simply don’t trust their gov, Chinese do.
This fellow is a regular anti-India ranter, and you’ve given him oped space. Mr. SG regardless of good is Cut The Clutter, you ain’t getting a penny from me.
OK then. However, what has that got to do with him talking about how China could not be able to become a superpower even if it surpasses the US? Also, if you feel that this person is an ‘Anti-India ranter’, then why don’t you come up with ideas that can be used to improve the country that requires your field of occupation and share it with your colleagues? The nation would be so much better if its people came up with ideas to solve the nation’s problems instead of complaining about its problems. Even our PM recognizes this ‘Yuva Shakti’ … why can’t you?
I’m in my own way making India stronger – in technology, apart from that I pay taxes which fill coffers of anarchists and low productivity people like Punjabi farmers. I had an option of taking H1B but irrational patriot in me decided to stay back and serve motherland. However today I’ve absolutely no doubt that we will never regain vishwaguru status, given the clay feet this government has shown regarding so called farmers’ protest.
I understand you want to be positive but this is no ABV’s India anymore, I’ve lost hope.
I feel like anarchists have their rights to choose whatever they wany to say and believe in right? Its a free country and democracy that why every person has a voice and opinion that matters so never disrespect that …..is that sarcasm on calling Punjabi farmers low productive …..I mean you would want to take a look at some stats bro….yes I agree it will take a decade of good and stable govt to get India a global superpower but that idea is never dead with the fall of US this decade is very crucial deciding factor for superpowers ……I personally hate this govt but won’t neglect the fact that they did a good job in first 5 yes I mean at least they were maintaining that 6-7% growth rate off everyone hates him from demonetisation. What my point is we should never lose hope theirs always place for hope in this world. gg ……BTW I really might’ve been too harsh and bias bcoz i kinda hate patriots and the recent mentality of people going around . I mean if you get a chance its always better to get that H1B it’s a golden chance man like 500k people get that opportunitiy each year bro from India
“low productive punjabi famers”. Ugh, you’re awful, go ahead and leave please,.
I second your thought. This person does not deserve to get this platform to express his views. He is no expert.
I will cough cough at this suggestion that china is 5000 years old civilization,when han dynasty started with han dynasty in 1000 bc.also hellenic,Iranian and Egyptian culture are still alive and fresh.it is ridiculous to hear that now china claims india,pak,Indonesia,Brazil are poor.first india is the real secular democracy atleast in theory.also,the reason of poverty in these reason is corruption,past dictatorship and bad governance.as for success in Korea,Japan and Singapore democracy has a big role in this.without democracy,there won’t be enhanced workers’ rights,and economic and personal liberty which facilitated their growth.also Chinese culture was already decimated in Qing and mao china.after Liberalization,most of the Chinese are westernised.china do not have superpower skill,and no one is learning Chinese.
Speak for yourself. Most of the westernised Chinese are learning Chinese. And they have high innate talents. The phoenix is the westernised Indians who villas the Chinese at every opportunity because they think they are superior than the Chinese.
I am tired of reading China a super power about to surpass USA in Indian news papers. EU has 350 millon habitants & 19 trillon GDP, USA almost equal, China 14 trillon GDP with 1300 millon habitants, Germany 5 trillon GDP with 82 millon habitants. ¡ Gotcha ! China has a long long way to catch up in science , discoveries , civil freedom, NHS and pension scheme , this is a gap China cannot overcome alone which the chinks ignore.
Speak for yourself. Most of the westernised Chinese are learning Chinese. And they have high innate talents. The phoenix is the westernised Indians who villas the Chinese at every opportunity because they think they are superior than the Chinese.
Wow. What a racist. Then you must be the global world terrorist. Have you got to sort out your own ducking oxygen tank which incidentally are also donated by China, you Indian ungrateful racist Soch douchbag.
This people talking about China ever becoming a superpower are trying so hard with so sound arguments to plead a case so for ever lost in its own nature, China just never be a superpower
Very good article.
The US has many more things than population and industry. That is what China has.
China has done nothing while the modern world was being built for centuries.
Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan also had lots of industry(taken from Britain or US) and a strong military. But that’s not what make you THE superpower.
Copying is very easy, but where were the Chinese when all their technologies and industries were invented?
Why the Western Liberalism that creates those things is absolutely opposite to Chinese Communism…
China never can pass US in any terms china at last will be destroy like soviet unioin isee thr comments here somestupid chones think they can surpass US but they know they never can do that
USA will be always superpower in any terms
Ashok Swain writing is akin to saying 5,000yrs of Chinese/ Asian cuisine can never match 200yrs of American fast food taste, no way because its Oriental.
1) Culture
Culturally, Oriental is deep and rich beyond US 200yrs fast food civilization comparison. This is esp for Chinese that is only nation still preserving its 5,000yrs civilization, while other Great Civilizations like Egypt/ Greece/ Roman had all disappeared.
Hence China will dominate the world culture once again like it did for last few thousands years when it regains economy, military and technology lead.
2) Chinese language
If even all China hawks like Trumps & Oz ex-PM Turnbull also ensured their grandchildren learn Chinese from small, Ashok Swain thinks Chinese language can never regain its past glory that comes with China’s growing might.
Today most of rich and powerful are sending all their offsprings to study Chinese. These people knew where the future lies.
France, Germany & Japan were all once competing with US-UK over global language dominant since 1970’s. They all have much rich & longer civilization, heritage, high technology, powerful economy, and cultural influence over a young USA. But its US economy might that trumps all eventually.
Reason is simple, if you want a good paying job, you gotta learn English. This will happen for China by 2030 too.
3) Allies
These will all come with China’s economy & military rise. There is no permanent friend or enemy for any nation, only common interest.
Japan invaded entire Asia cruelly and still refused to repent, with ambitious to re-militarize itself again. Why nobody is killing them on sight? Its Jp economy power influence, backed by USM.
US & EU had invaded and colonized entire world to plunder them, killing 100s of millions. Why do they still have many allies globally, including most of their victims? Why India is closely alliance with Brits that had enslaved it for over 200yrs? Its the common interest.
Yet new China has never invaded nor colonize any nation after overthrowing occupying Manchu Qing Dynasty. Chinese was not known to colonize others when they were hyperpower like Tang & Ming dynasty
So China has virtually no bad blood with anyone, except Nehru’s poisoned India out of his 1962 humiliating defeat. It will gain allies according to its rising power.
4) Democracy
This is the most stupid argument to think West invented “democracy” is the only highest ideology for mankind. Just look what happen to the current chaotic state of West now, esp US as democracy highest light house. When their past colonial hegemony power to plunder entire world no longer can sustain their lifestyle, society of widely divided rich & poor start to crack.
Look at every democratic & capitalism nations that are not part of West who have enriched themselves via colonialism. Has any one is well developed today?
No, every single one is poor, backward, corrupted, chaotic and over populated. India, Pak, Bangladesh, Mexico, Philippines, Brazil, Indonesia, whole Latin, Africa…you name it.
Only exception is Japan, SK & Singapore. May be Taiwan too. But they had all developed not due to democracy. It was during iron fist ruling of their dictatorship leaders that these nations enter into fast development.
Moreover, Jp, SK and Taiwan were intentionally groomed by US as bulwark to communism during cold war. They were all given free access to West capital, market and technology.
Singapore was due to its exceptional seaport location and powerful dictator leader Lee Kuan Yew.
5) CPC legitimacy
All West pollsters have year after year pointed to growing Chinese trust for their gov, the highest in world at over 90%. Whereas in West, esp US, have all fallen to rock bottom. Many Westerners are starting to doubt their long cherish system.
Moreover, latest survey found Chinese is now the happiest nation in the world, far ahead of West & US, with India at bottom.
Thus China great success in its socialism with Chinese characteristics is now attracting many developing nations, esp in Asia & Africa.
This writer seems to perceive his whole world through his own narrow hatred/envy of China rise. Perhaps he is still harbouring dream of India becoming superpower surpassing China as the “Largest Democracy”.
In 1998, Prez Kalam had written a book to predict India will be poverty free & superpower by 2008. Prez Rao echoed that in R’Day.
In 2008, Economist Swarmy even tweeted: “India will surpass China to challenge US by 2020.”
China will not be superpower, because it will be sole Hyperpower, like Tang Dynasty by 2040.
China never can pass US in any terms china at last will be destroy like soviet unioin you are so fool to think china will surpass us litle copycat china has nothing and just grow with help of europe sn us companys you said every thing wrong chnia is nithing and never can surpass us in any term accept that little copy cat
You destroyed this western loving sell out that wrote this trite dribble passed off as journalism. Bravo, great arguments.
How can China substitute the US.
If the market, the technology, the business environment… Everything is copied from the US.
But in the other hand, they refuse to adopt the values that made it possible.
Instead, they systematically opposed them. And keep the totalitarian values of when they were a collapsed superpower and underdeveloped under their last dinasties and Mao.
If you rise reading books of the US and learning of their businesses. But refuse to have the same cultural environment and ideology.
You can’t keep rising.
Naturetruth,you just have to make sure that ccp keeps behaving,as it has been doing for the last several decades.That is all we need from you.Thanks in advance.
My thoughts are a bit different from the admin here……I think China is surely gonna pass US in every aspect and it is true it cannot take over cultural dominance over the Europeans and Americans although they will surely get acceptance …….the cultural dominance will only be with south east Asian countries which is the next global superpower hub…….. There will be a big power shift from NATO to ASEAN I’m sure about this and if they continue to stick to mandarin then they will live dominantly over south asia easily. Only if they continue to grow at the same pace they have been through this decade . of course it won’t be a total power shift but it would be like 2 different societies living dominantly in their places . China doesn’t really want to “conquer” the world its just not practical in any scenario but they want to secure their interests and gains . also US can come back to power if Americans don’t ” self sabotage ” themselves ….like really that line was the best in this full post the admin has written . who knows things can turn real fast its just a possibility .
I’m dropping this comment even reading the article. The header used here is like saying “second could overtake first in a race but still won’t be first”. How sensible is that?
Keep lying to your people.
We have 5000 years history, and we will keep living in our land for 5000 years, but I really expect to see if America still exists after 50 years.
Surely China does not really want to be a superpower. Chinese people just want to live an good life and no one else dare to touch them.
Hey are you a Chinese person? (No racist) BTW your viewpoint sounds like every normal person of any country that’s seeking to be a superpower…governments think a lot differently they wanna secure their country’s interests and want to be always push ahead their limits that’s when sole superpowers are formed that’s what China is gonna be in 2050 if they don’t start a war which is not gonna happen anyway. I get distracted a lot lol…… Coming to point what does dare to touch them mean in your comment? Everyone has equal respect in dignity in every country …..if someone only the Chinese govt itself beats up its citizens at most …….If you’re talking of countries and worldwide geopolitics you guys ain’t gonna get bullied rather will prolly start bullying other countries for self-interest which is totally fine lol . its what every country would want to do at that position
Ashok is a person to tell the realities in true sense while andhbhakts live in fictional world of Bollywood. So he is considered to be anti India in the eyes of these fairy tale believers
On grounds of media, language and culture the us would lead. But in terms of economics, development, science, military China would become super power. Sun rises over every nation and sets again. Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, British, mongols, Turks, Persians, Arabs, USA and many more came and went.
It’s true that China can match or overcome USA in terms of economic or military power, but culturally it will remain distinct and there can never be people to people contact between the Chinese and the non-Chinese. So building strategic partnership with any other country is out of question. The little friendship that exists between China and Russia, is purely on the presumption that “enemy’s enemy is a friend”; both China and Russia are enemies of USA. Take the case of China-Pakistan friendship; Pakistan may say “China is its all-weather friend”. But the reality is, Pakistan is living by the alms from China and whenever China wants it can screw Pakistan (in fact it does that). The case is India-Russia friendship: Both respected each other and there is a very strong partnership. But has there been any people to people contact? Any cultural acceptability? Except there is military partnership, there is nothing else.
Sitting in Switzerland and giving opinions is easy.
Has Ashok Swain been living under a rock? The funny part was where it said “Americans have more trust in their gov than the Chinese in theirs”. Has this guy missed the numerous independent studies which say the opposite – and by a big margin? Americans simply don’t trust their gov, Chinese do.
This fellow is a regular anti-India ranter, and you’ve given him oped space. Mr. SG regardless of good is Cut The Clutter, you ain’t getting a penny from me.
OK then. However, what has that got to do with him talking about how China could not be able to become a superpower even if it surpasses the US? Also, if you feel that this person is an ‘Anti-India ranter’, then why don’t you come up with ideas that can be used to improve the country that requires your field of occupation and share it with your colleagues? The nation would be so much better if its people came up with ideas to solve the nation’s problems instead of complaining about its problems. Even our PM recognizes this ‘Yuva Shakti’ … why can’t you?
I’m in my own way making India stronger – in technology, apart from that I pay taxes which fill coffers of anarchists and low productivity people like Punjabi farmers. I had an option of taking H1B but irrational patriot in me decided to stay back and serve motherland. However today I’ve absolutely no doubt that we will never regain vishwaguru status, given the clay feet this government has shown regarding so called farmers’ protest.
I understand you want to be positive but this is no ABV’s India anymore, I’ve lost hope.
I feel like anarchists have their rights to choose whatever they wany to say and believe in right? Its a free country and democracy that why every person has a voice and opinion that matters so never disrespect that …..is that sarcasm on calling Punjabi farmers low productive …..I mean you would want to take a look at some stats bro….yes I agree it will take a decade of good and stable govt to get India a global superpower but that idea is never dead with the fall of US this decade is very crucial deciding factor for superpowers ……I personally hate this govt but won’t neglect the fact that they did a good job in first 5 yes I mean at least they were maintaining that 6-7% growth rate off everyone hates him from demonetisation. What my point is we should never lose hope theirs always place for hope in this world. gg ……BTW I really might’ve been too harsh and bias bcoz i kinda hate patriots and the recent mentality of people going around . I mean if you get a chance its always better to get that H1B it’s a golden chance man like 500k people get that opportunitiy each year bro from India
“low productive punjabi famers”. Ugh, you’re awful, go ahead and leave please,.
I second your thought. This person does not deserve to get this platform to express his views. He is no expert.