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Look Akram, don’t be like Wasim Akram, it’s not cricket but war. By your own admission, one should not have satisfaction from a written article or imagination, then what is that Pakistan’s commissioned agent Mr. John’s book of 1979 on PAF is? Is it not a piece of fiction, with a few lines of real action sprinkled in between? Your the then Government, Army & ISI, in an attempt to save face after two consecutive defeats of 65 & 71 and the loss of East Pakistan, tried to fool the people of Pakistan, by such tactics. Irony is, people of Pakistan are gullible and blindly believe such state sponsored propaganda like verses from Koran.
You may ask the same question from Indians, but trust me, we are much more conscious and question very unpleasant queries from our Government of the day, till satisfied to the core. Coming back to Sq. Ldr. Devayya’s feat, it was acknowledged by none other than your Flt. Lt. Amjad, who was brought down again in India during 71, so much for your awarded pilot, who got the award first for losing his plane in 65 and then brought down in 71. Ask yourself does he merit an award, is it not propaganda?
For Balakot and afterwards, why Pakistan took 43 days to show the alleged place of action to the media in a strictly conducted tour? Why no interaction with locals not at all allowed? Regarding PAF action on 27th, your fighter/bombers did very little to penetrate into India and rather misused the US provided F16 and their long range AMRAMS ineffectively, except the vintage MIG21 of Abhinandan. He was captured and we accepted the loss of the plane immediately. But your ISPR chief Maj. Genl. Asif immediately boasted about two IAF planes downed and two pilots captured live but injured and hospitalised. Then suddenly one of the downed IAF plane and it’s captured pilot magically vanishes from all his narratives afterwards. Why? Ask Asif, identify the other pilot and the plane. Asif won’t and you don’t ask him. Then your Government, Army & ISI contact a faceless, nameless media from US to propagate that no F16 was used or lost. Thereafter comes the statement that Pakistan has the right to use F16 for self defence. But now comes the official US declaration that no count of Pakistan’s
F16 inventory was ever done after the 27th action.
I ask a straight question, how can you be so careless and blissful? Are you people constantly dreaming for decades?
Look Delhi I only advised you plz read and watch the international media like NYT. WASHINGTON POST. BBC. DALI MAIL. AL JEZZRYA. for the ture story who mad man told you that india win the 1965 war if it is your self saification then it is not my problem. It is proved matter that PAF has the air superiority OVER IAF in 1965.
Then the matter of Flt.Lt Amjid hussian he was in the custody of indian armed forces as you mention wathever it is Turth or not his stament in the coustdy of enmey forces proved nothing if you give the reference to his stament then what are you said about the stament of Comd.Kulboshin yadiev a serving Indian RAW agent will you accept his account. The matter of galntry award if your gov award the madel to Abinandin who shoot down in the hand of enmy and then captured by PAK army I could understand what is the bravery standard of your armed forces and your gov. In the matter of Flt. Lf. Amjid Hussian he got his galntry award in 1965 to defend the Sirgooda air base not to shoot down by the hand of enemy. He was a brave fighter piolt who successfully defend the SAB against 3 enemy fighter plane and I proud on him. In the matter of f16 for your information Forigen plocey magazine is far more credible information source then any other news agency in the matters of US defence and to Pentagon. I ask you the question is the journalist backed his story??? the answer is no. Man made redar computers graphics proved nothing. Belive me I will make batter graphics then your IAF V. A. M Kapoor give me your What’s up no I will send you if you want. ???
You also mention 1971 war for your information no army doesn’t matter how much he strong cannot win a war until the people of the land did not support the army. I give you your country example IOK. Nagaland. Assam Indian army has failed to control of these areas instead of using brutial force. . AFG. Vietnam. 1971 war a callsical example of a State terrorism which your PM MODI accept in Bangladesh.
The matter of 26 balakot incurison you give me a one example from any armed forces in the world possess a bomb or missile who hit his target and not destroy it. I am waiting tell me the name of this missle/bomb. I know spike is a peniterator wepion but when he hit his target his daleyed fuse war he’d must be explore. All the independent news outlets and satellite sources confirmed that the building was in inteact nothing happene only a Crow is dead which cost IAF lost of 2 fighters a piolt in the coustdy of enemy hand and worldwide humiliation. On 27Feb PAF outclassed the IAF in tactics. plaining. Training and bravery. Your so called superior su 30 were outranged.outguned and outnumbered not do anything but save himself from AMRAAM’S. To target the IA instalation is not a big deal as you know if you watching international media a H4 SOW hit the Beg.head quarter of IA. The real purpose of this attack was to show the intention. Will. Courage that we hit you any time any place and at any circumstances. You should thanks to over leader ship to not allow the PAF piolts to hit the target but the massage was clear we will give you benefiting respons if you have evil eye on Pak at any level. It was really a bad day for IAF and your PM is so much upest he told in a reely that if the Rafael is the part of IAF the result will be different. Told him Mr. PM war will fights with the courage velour. Passion and bravery. IAF took 10 days for a proved failed mission and PAF take 23 hours for a successful mission.
One more thing ask your politicians to trust their own armed forces. but how can they trust they were know how much brave and turth spoken their forces.
Remember M.M ALAM and this article is worst joke ever i read in my life lol indian pilot is just plate nothing more then this, because our tea is fantastic
There is no doubt that in 1965 the Pakis were better armed compared to us. I still remember the tension on my father’s face who told us in the evening that they’ve lost 9 aircraft on the first day of the war and at this rate the IAF would get wiped out in on week. He was speaking about the Vampires from Pathankot. All said and done in the end the Pakis good a good whacking by both IAF and Indian Army. Their President Ayub Khan had to resign. But, whatever pants they were left with were taken off in 1971.
But this is way too back in time baba. Ek baar fir se ho jaaye dogfight. Hum porkis ko ruswa nahi hone deinge is baar bhi. September mai hee Rafaels bhi aa rahe hai. Rasme duniya bhi hai mauqa bhi hai aur dastoor bhi hai. Cmon porkis. Ho jaaye.?
Sameer, In early 1983, I had called on Gp Capt Omi Taneja at his house in Defence Colony. I was collecting information and write-ups for the Golden Jubilee of the Tigers, 1 Sqn, as the newly posted Flt Cdr and put in charge of the GJ brochure, museum etc. Based on this interview, I wrote a dream sequence which was published in the GJ Brochure released on April 01, 1983. I have not been able to find my copy of the brochure but have the four typewritten sheets of the article. If you are interested, please send me your mail ID and I would forward it to you for your reading pleasure. My reconstruction of the fight was slightly different and may interest you. Yours is a better and more imaginatively written piece which I enjoyed reading.
I reiterate that it is man hehind machine for any sucessful mission. IAF pilots had proved much better skills and air supremacy over PAF time and again inspite of having relatively older air combat equipments. It is fact. Salute to IAF .
Batter piolts then PAF LOL. Plz ask this question to entire world who is the batter piolt force. Read and watch international media maybe you get some correct information.
U r right…IAF always had and will hv BETTER PILOTS than PAF….ur PAF certainly has BATTER pilots…hahahahaha
Sunny. Seriously you need a English teacher who tell you what is BETTER and what is the BATTER. First correct your English. ?????.
Yes definitely , your piolts are better. Do u have anything to comment on shameful exit of your president after 1965 war when your nation cried like a baby to stop war and yes 1971 when your so called brave and batter piolts could not save your country and was divided in 2 by India. And one world record in your brave Pakistan name….you guys dis world’s biggest surrender till date….96000 coward porkis surrendered with their coward General Niyazi……shame on you and your batter PAF and coward army……
I can understand the frustration of loosing all battles to India despite your batter piolts. This is a good platform to speak and release your shame, cowardness and believe that you never lost 1965, but your president resigned, you never lost 1971 but your 96000 coward soldiers and general Niyazi on record surrendered, you never lost 1999 but your own channels suggest you badly lost the battle. …….No problem, release pressure of the shame your so called brave army brought your Porkistan always….and will always bring when ever it will lock horns with India….better you come to us with a bagging bowl…..And hope u remember Tomatoes…..
Plz provide the toilets to your own people rich Indians?????. Plz check the Google and check the current debt of India.Live in dreams world of so called your armed forces bravery saw and read your own media. your are 1.30 billion humain country and we are 220 million and you have no courage no morilty no brevery to stands fornt of us. Pak is a realty the realty which india cannot digest.
There was an air battle over Ambala which while in a bus travelling from Chandigarh I had the opportunity to witness. Could you throw some light on it.
Also there was a night time raid by PAF over Ambala where they unloaded their bombs over a hospital. I do not believe they came to bomb a hospital but in complete black out were unable to find target.
There was also a brave anti Aircraft gunner Raju at Amritsar who shot down a few of PAF fighters. I was an engineering student at Chandigarh, we shook hands with him. The photograph appeared in the Tribune. I forget the date.
Only writers views and imagination nothing substantial. In 1965 war PAF has the proved air superiority over IAF. Neutral observer and military experts have also share their views on this subject that PAF has the air superiority over IAF.Aritical like this prove nothing but a self imagination of satisfaction and victory.
The author did not dispute the PAF air superiority. He is telling tales of highly superior PAF loosing planes to inferior, GNAT , Mystere and Hunters. That is a shame for PAF.
Mr. Hari to shoot down 1/2 air plane in a war is not a big deal but important is who fight with courage velour and bravery. I give you a example in resent days on 26 feb IAF take 10 days to attempt to take revange of pulvama victims failed or success it is another matter although international media and independen setliate source have the opinion that this mission was failed but with in 23 hour PAF struck back and what happen on 27 feb you know well it is an other matter you will not accept this. Your air force SU 30,MIG 29,Meriages fighters and your so called sikll full piolts can not do nothing instead they try their best but lost 2 air carft.It is up to you are you accept this story which is based on writer’s imagination no hard evidence or the day of 27 feb where the fantastic tea of cup was hard evidence.
Yes, PAF stuck back and lost a F-16 and worst, never admitted like in 1965 war. Moreover 11 glide bombs unleashed over Indian brigade headquarter went wide because South African glide bombs have not been tested or perfected in a battle. Three of them are unexploded still in Indian possession.
You guys are the world’s biggest losers till date.. I can understand the porkis frustration of loosing all battles of 1965, 1971, and 1999 by hands of India….and who says we were always superior…One quote for a war iileterate like you which our mighty general Sam manickshaw….Hope u know him who broke your bones in 1971 war….war is not won by weapon superiority but by the courage of armed forces….this is what u miss coward porkis
Do you also remember 27th Feb when u lost a F16 shamefully and your own squadron leader whose father is serving air Marshall in PAF was brought down with his F16 on ground. And then you mad porkis killed your own officer???? Not on record…your own Spokesman was confused and said 2 IAF pilots are arrested…One in hospital…who was ur own pilot….haha and hope u remember that your porkistan out of fear returned our brave pilot. Itna Dar aur Khauf??? We are happy 1971 Champions of loosing war and making shameful records for Porkistan
Actually the PAF F-104 flew through the debris of the hunted IAF aircraft, got damaged; thus Sqn Ldr Amjad Hussain had to eject from the crippled aircraft.
Squadron Leader Ajjimada Bopayya Devayya died as a soldier, we must respect that.
If you have any facts to dispute please highlight the same. Otherwise please remain content in your imagined and fictitious glory of your airforce and victory in 1965 which brought your country to bankruptcy
Mr. Rohit are the writer of this self imagination article or you have any evidence to prove this story???. The fact of the matter is PAF was gain the air superiority over IAF in 1965 war and all the netural miltiry observe accept this. And plz remember 27 feb and the cup of tea. As the tea is fantastic the PAF stategy is fantastic to Struck the IAF.
Also remember 1999 when u were at advantageous position on hills but our soldiers pumped bullets in your bums and you ran away and your PM was bagging from USA to stop India.IAF and bofors will not let you forget that shameful defeat of your nation. Remember July 1999? And by the way, your nation is so coward that it even did not took back bodies of your soldiers. We have their I cards and all record….think about thier families who were hopefully hurried by us. And we have many videos on YouTube where your some mindful military experts accepted a huge defeat by our hand. And some videos of your coward commanders taking bodies of martyred soldiers as well. But as a nation you were always a failure , are right now bagging in entire world and will always be like this
Just curious- how has this battle been recreated accurately when there was no one to witness it as it happened?
Look Akram, don’t be like Wasim Akram, it’s not cricket but war. By your own admission, one should not have satisfaction from a written article or imagination, then what is that Pakistan’s commissioned agent Mr. John’s book of 1979 on PAF is? Is it not a piece of fiction, with a few lines of real action sprinkled in between? Your the then Government, Army & ISI, in an attempt to save face after two consecutive defeats of 65 & 71 and the loss of East Pakistan, tried to fool the people of Pakistan, by such tactics. Irony is, people of Pakistan are gullible and blindly believe such state sponsored propaganda like verses from Koran.
You may ask the same question from Indians, but trust me, we are much more conscious and question very unpleasant queries from our Government of the day, till satisfied to the core. Coming back to Sq. Ldr. Devayya’s feat, it was acknowledged by none other than your Flt. Lt. Amjad, who was brought down again in India during 71, so much for your awarded pilot, who got the award first for losing his plane in 65 and then brought down in 71. Ask yourself does he merit an award, is it not propaganda?
For Balakot and afterwards, why Pakistan took 43 days to show the alleged place of action to the media in a strictly conducted tour? Why no interaction with locals not at all allowed? Regarding PAF action on 27th, your fighter/bombers did very little to penetrate into India and rather misused the US provided F16 and their long range AMRAMS ineffectively, except the vintage MIG21 of Abhinandan. He was captured and we accepted the loss of the plane immediately. But your ISPR chief Maj. Genl. Asif immediately boasted about two IAF planes downed and two pilots captured live but injured and hospitalised. Then suddenly one of the downed IAF plane and it’s captured pilot magically vanishes from all his narratives afterwards. Why? Ask Asif, identify the other pilot and the plane. Asif won’t and you don’t ask him. Then your Government, Army & ISI contact a faceless, nameless media from US to propagate that no F16 was used or lost. Thereafter comes the statement that Pakistan has the right to use F16 for self defence. But now comes the official US declaration that no count of Pakistan’s
F16 inventory was ever done after the 27th action.
I ask a straight question, how can you be so careless and blissful? Are you people constantly dreaming for decades?
Look Delhi I only advised you plz read and watch the international media like NYT. WASHINGTON POST. BBC. DALI MAIL. AL JEZZRYA. for the ture story who mad man told you that india win the 1965 war if it is your self saification then it is not my problem. It is proved matter that PAF has the air superiority OVER IAF in 1965.
Then the matter of Flt.Lt Amjid hussian he was in the custody of indian armed forces as you mention wathever it is Turth or not his stament in the coustdy of enmey forces proved nothing if you give the reference to his stament then what are you said about the stament of Comd.Kulboshin yadiev a serving Indian RAW agent will you accept his account. The matter of galntry award if your gov award the madel to Abinandin who shoot down in the hand of enmy and then captured by PAK army I could understand what is the bravery standard of your armed forces and your gov. In the matter of Flt. Lf. Amjid Hussian he got his galntry award in 1965 to defend the Sirgooda air base not to shoot down by the hand of enemy. He was a brave fighter piolt who successfully defend the SAB against 3 enemy fighter plane and I proud on him. In the matter of f16 for your information Forigen plocey magazine is far more credible information source then any other news agency in the matters of US defence and to Pentagon. I ask you the question is the journalist backed his story??? the answer is no. Man made redar computers graphics proved nothing. Belive me I will make batter graphics then your IAF V. A. M Kapoor give me your What’s up no I will send you if you want. ???
You also mention 1971 war for your information no army doesn’t matter how much he strong cannot win a war until the people of the land did not support the army. I give you your country example IOK. Nagaland. Assam Indian army has failed to control of these areas instead of using brutial force. . AFG. Vietnam. 1971 war a callsical example of a State terrorism which your PM MODI accept in Bangladesh.
The matter of 26 balakot incurison you give me a one example from any armed forces in the world possess a bomb or missile who hit his target and not destroy it. I am waiting tell me the name of this missle/bomb. I know spike is a peniterator wepion but when he hit his target his daleyed fuse war he’d must be explore. All the independent news outlets and satellite sources confirmed that the building was in inteact nothing happene only a Crow is dead which cost IAF lost of 2 fighters a piolt in the coustdy of enemy hand and worldwide humiliation. On 27Feb PAF outclassed the IAF in tactics. plaining. Training and bravery. Your so called superior su 30 were outranged.outguned and outnumbered not do anything but save himself from AMRAAM’S. To target the IA instalation is not a big deal as you know if you watching international media a H4 SOW hit the Beg.head quarter of IA. The real purpose of this attack was to show the intention. Will. Courage that we hit you any time any place and at any circumstances. You should thanks to over leader ship to not allow the PAF piolts to hit the target but the massage was clear we will give you benefiting respons if you have evil eye on Pak at any level. It was really a bad day for IAF and your PM is so much upest he told in a reely that if the Rafael is the part of IAF the result will be different. Told him Mr. PM war will fights with the courage velour. Passion and bravery. IAF took 10 days for a proved failed mission and PAF take 23 hours for a successful mission.
One more thing ask your politicians to trust their own armed forces. but how can they trust they were know how much brave and turth spoken their forces.
Remember M.M ALAM and this article is worst joke ever i read in my life lol indian pilot is just plate nothing more then this, because our tea is fantastic
PAF has BATTERED pilots….we agree…LLOL
There is no doubt that in 1965 the Pakis were better armed compared to us. I still remember the tension on my father’s face who told us in the evening that they’ve lost 9 aircraft on the first day of the war and at this rate the IAF would get wiped out in on week. He was speaking about the Vampires from Pathankot. All said and done in the end the Pakis good a good whacking by both IAF and Indian Army. Their President Ayub Khan had to resign. But, whatever pants they were left with were taken off in 1971.
But this is way too back in time baba. Ek baar fir se ho jaaye dogfight. Hum porkis ko ruswa nahi hone deinge is baar bhi. September mai hee Rafaels bhi aa rahe hai. Rasme duniya bhi hai mauqa bhi hai aur dastoor bhi hai. Cmon porkis. Ho jaaye.?
Sameer, In early 1983, I had called on Gp Capt Omi Taneja at his house in Defence Colony. I was collecting information and write-ups for the Golden Jubilee of the Tigers, 1 Sqn, as the newly posted Flt Cdr and put in charge of the GJ brochure, museum etc. Based on this interview, I wrote a dream sequence which was published in the GJ Brochure released on April 01, 1983. I have not been able to find my copy of the brochure but have the four typewritten sheets of the article. If you are interested, please send me your mail ID and I would forward it to you for your reading pleasure. My reconstruction of the fight was slightly different and may interest you. Yours is a better and more imaginatively written piece which I enjoyed reading.
I reiterate that it is man hehind machine for any sucessful mission. IAF pilots had proved much better skills and air supremacy over PAF time and again inspite of having relatively older air combat equipments. It is fact. Salute to IAF .
Batter piolts then PAF LOL. Plz ask this question to entire world who is the batter piolt force. Read and watch international media maybe you get some correct information.
U r right…IAF always had and will hv BETTER PILOTS than PAF….ur PAF certainly has BATTER pilots…hahahahaha
Sunny. Seriously you need a English teacher who tell you what is BETTER and what is the BATTER. First correct your English. ?????.
Yes definitely , your piolts are better. Do u have anything to comment on shameful exit of your president after 1965 war when your nation cried like a baby to stop war and yes 1971 when your so called brave and batter piolts could not save your country and was divided in 2 by India. And one world record in your brave Pakistan name….you guys dis world’s biggest surrender till date….96000 coward porkis surrendered with their coward General Niyazi……shame on you and your batter PAF and coward army……
I can understand the frustration of loosing all battles to India despite your batter piolts. This is a good platform to speak and release your shame, cowardness and believe that you never lost 1965, but your president resigned, you never lost 1971 but your 96000 coward soldiers and general Niyazi on record surrendered, you never lost 1999 but your own channels suggest you badly lost the battle. …….No problem, release pressure of the shame your so called brave army brought your Porkistan always….and will always bring when ever it will lock horns with India….better you come to us with a bagging bowl…..And hope u remember Tomatoes…..
Plz provide the toilets to your own people rich Indians?????. Plz check the Google and check the current debt of India.Live in dreams world of so called your armed forces bravery saw and read your own media. your are 1.30 billion humain country and we are 220 million and you have no courage no morilty no brevery to stands fornt of us. Pak is a realty the realty which india cannot digest.
There was an air battle over Ambala which while in a bus travelling from Chandigarh I had the opportunity to witness. Could you throw some light on it.
Also there was a night time raid by PAF over Ambala where they unloaded their bombs over a hospital. I do not believe they came to bomb a hospital but in complete black out were unable to find target.
There was also a brave anti Aircraft gunner Raju at Amritsar who shot down a few of PAF fighters. I was an engineering student at Chandigarh, we shook hands with him. The photograph appeared in the Tribune. I forget the date.
Only Brave honour the valour of the enemy soldier.
The Cowardly have no place in military history
Well said
Only writers views and imagination nothing substantial. In 1965 war PAF has the proved air superiority over IAF. Neutral observer and military experts have also share their views on this subject that PAF has the air superiority over IAF.Aritical like this prove nothing but a self imagination of satisfaction and victory.
The author did not dispute the PAF air superiority. He is telling tales of highly superior PAF loosing planes to inferior, GNAT , Mystere and Hunters. That is a shame for PAF.
Mr. Hari to shoot down 1/2 air plane in a war is not a big deal but important is who fight with courage velour and bravery. I give you a example in resent days on 26 feb IAF take 10 days to attempt to take revange of pulvama victims failed or success it is another matter although international media and independen setliate source have the opinion that this mission was failed but with in 23 hour PAF struck back and what happen on 27 feb you know well it is an other matter you will not accept this. Your air force SU 30,MIG 29,Meriages fighters and your so called sikll full piolts can not do nothing instead they try their best but lost 2 air carft.It is up to you are you accept this story which is based on writer’s imagination no hard evidence or the day of 27 feb where the fantastic tea of cup was hard evidence.
Yes, PAF stuck back and lost a F-16 and worst, never admitted like in 1965 war. Moreover 11 glide bombs unleashed over Indian brigade headquarter went wide because South African glide bombs have not been tested or perfected in a battle. Three of them are unexploded still in Indian possession.
You guys are the world’s biggest losers till date.. I can understand the porkis frustration of loosing all battles of 1965, 1971, and 1999 by hands of India….and who says we were always superior…One quote for a war iileterate like you which our mighty general Sam manickshaw….Hope u know him who broke your bones in 1971 war….war is not won by weapon superiority but by the courage of armed forces….this is what u miss coward porkis
Do you also remember 27th Feb when u lost a F16 shamefully and your own squadron leader whose father is serving air Marshall in PAF was brought down with his F16 on ground. And then you mad porkis killed your own officer???? Not on record…your own Spokesman was confused and said 2 IAF pilots are arrested…One in hospital…who was ur own pilot….haha and hope u remember that your porkistan out of fear returned our brave pilot. Itna Dar aur Khauf??? We are happy 1971 Champions of loosing war and making shameful records for Porkistan
Actually the PAF F-104 flew through the debris of the hunted IAF aircraft, got damaged; thus Sqn Ldr Amjad Hussain had to eject from the crippled aircraft.
Squadron Leader Ajjimada Bopayya Devayya died as a soldier, we must respect that.
If you have any facts to dispute please highlight the same. Otherwise please remain content in your imagined and fictitious glory of your airforce and victory in 1965 which brought your country to bankruptcy
Mr. Rohit are the writer of this self imagination article or you have any evidence to prove this story???. The fact of the matter is PAF was gain the air superiority over IAF in 1965 war and all the netural miltiry observe accept this. And plz remember 27 feb and the cup of tea. As the tea is fantastic the PAF stategy is fantastic to Struck the IAF.
Also remember 1999 when u were at advantageous position on hills but our soldiers pumped bullets in your bums and you ran away and your PM was bagging from USA to stop India.IAF and bofors will not let you forget that shameful defeat of your nation. Remember July 1999? And by the way, your nation is so coward that it even did not took back bodies of your soldiers. We have their I cards and all record….think about thier families who were hopefully hurried by us. And we have many videos on YouTube where your some mindful military experts accepted a huge defeat by our hand. And some videos of your coward commanders taking bodies of martyred soldiers as well. But as a nation you were always a failure , are right now bagging in entire world and will always be like this