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Dear Sir Arjun,
I love reading your papers but for this once I would differ (and I’ve been a test pilot).
F-35 can’t be the solution for India: it’s a technical failure and a financial trap. It’s a political non-starter, given the number and weight of strings attached. An Indian assembly-line would be unlikely, and certainly would entail no tech transfer. Probably the best thing to do is to get more Rafale, which is probably at least as good as F-35 (notwithstanding the « 5th-gen » hype), and try to be smarter next time round.
An early bid for participation in a US 6th gen aircraft sounds like an attractive proposition: the US hopefully have learned the lesson and will not repeat the many errors of the JSF programme. But 1. Strings attached will still be there, as strong as ever, 2. The attempt would fail, as with FGFA, due to incompetence of Indian aero industry.
Only workable solution IMHO is to do it the hard way : develop LCA MK2 and/or AMCA to at last build up indigenous industry know how, then tie up as a credible partner with European next-gen fighter, which is bound to happen albeit later than US. Indian R&D money would actually increase the likelihood of such a prospect materializing.
” early-bird investor in the US Air Force’s sixth generation fighter programme ”
The fantasy that the USA will ALLOW foreign countries to invest in the development or manufacture of its cutting edge aircraft is not justified. The F-22 – a 20 year old aircraft is STILL not for sale. The USAF maintains B-2s, a host of drones and MANY technologies it will not share for ANY PRICE. Even the purchase of old F111 Nighthawks is barred from sale thought it is 40 years old in real terms.
The USA – unlike Russia or France is not a country which parts with its technologies or latest aircraft. The F35 is a formidable aircraft without doubt – BUT;
1. The USA will never transfer technologies behind most of the systems in the F35
2. The USA will require periodic checks and verification of these aircraft and their operation in Indian Airbases.
3. The USA will require India to sign the CISMOA and other treaties before any such sale takes place.
4. The USA will have a say and the ability to determine where the IAF can operate these aircraft and where it cannot.
5. The USA will control what kinds of repairs, what systems can be tampered with/altered by the IAF.
6. The USA CAN LIMIT the use of the F35 if it is against its interests or against its goals giving the USA veto over IAF ops.
7. The USA will restrict the repair, maintenance and spare parts of F35s to each market based on its PROFIT, not based on employing Indians or supporting MAKE in India.
8. The IAF will be dependent on US/European parts suppliers and not vice versa even if some parts are made in India as major components like Engines, radars, sensors will be made in USA.
Ultimately, unlike European Air Forces which are entirely subservient on USA planning and military guidance, the IAF pursues an independent military and strategic policy. Signing on to the F35 will jeopardize this strategic independence and further more will encumber Indian foreign policy to toe the line of the USA on Global affairs or risk jeopardizing the supply of spares and IAF’s operational capabilities.
France and Russia though not offering the LATEST and GREATEST in comparison to US aircraft do offer something the F35 does NOT – INDEPENDENCE . No aircraft is worth sacrificing Indian strategic autonomy and the ability to maneuver based on our interests.
Finally, 5th generation aircraft offer tactical superiority at the battlefield level – not strategic superiority. As a nuclear powered state, China’s 5th generation aircraft cannot endanger India’s nuclear retaliatory strike and that is the ULTIMATE guarantor of Indian security against China – not 5th generation aircraft.
Best Recommendation – Buy Russian S-400/500 SAM air defense systems and invest in 4/4.5 generation aircraft till FGFA becomes viable or AMCA becomes viable.
You may be right about strategic independence. But your recommendation is flawed, I think. If China uses stealth fighters then S-400s will have difficulty targeting them. We need something to counter stealth aircraft with.
Also, if China does not use a nuclear strike, then our policy dictates that we can’t use nukes either. In a conventional war with China (far more likely than nuclear war), we may need 5th generation fighters/bombers.
i am not surprised why iaf hasn’t moved an inch on FGFA because the prospect of getting shiny F-35s is irresistible, but it doesn’t take much to see the flaws
1. The addition of a plane from a new nation after already we have russian, french, british fighters poses a logistical nightmare.
2.the cost of investing in a american aircraft is gonna empty indian foreign reserves after all F-35s major criticism has been its mounting costs to US itself .
3. good-bye make in india
On the flip-side the advantage of investing in pak-fa can’t be ignored keeping in mind it is noticeably inferior to F-35 but afterall we are going to face chinese J-20s and pakistan f-16 not the dreaded american f-22s or f-35s .
Russians want all the money they can get in a poor economy subject to sanctions and low oil prices ,hence they will be ready to help us much more with the technology than americans as has been proven before. also it will be easier to integrate our missiles as we have already worked with
Su 30s. we can easily replenish are squandrons with Su-35s Su-50s maintaining the numbers and atleast not inferior to the chinese in tech if not superior. IAF and Russia just need to fully commit to it no more time for waiting as china soon lands its J-20s in tibet. It really bugs me how 11 years have passes and we still don’t know if we will go with FGFA or cancel it , such a poor procurement process.
Dear Sir Arjun,
I love reading your papers but for this once I would differ (and I’ve been a test pilot).
F-35 can’t be the solution for India: it’s a technical failure and a financial trap. It’s a political non-starter, given the number and weight of strings attached. An Indian assembly-line would be unlikely, and certainly would entail no tech transfer. Probably the best thing to do is to get more Rafale, which is probably at least as good as F-35 (notwithstanding the « 5th-gen » hype), and try to be smarter next time round.
An early bid for participation in a US 6th gen aircraft sounds like an attractive proposition: the US hopefully have learned the lesson and will not repeat the many errors of the JSF programme. But 1. Strings attached will still be there, as strong as ever, 2. The attempt would fail, as with FGFA, due to incompetence of Indian aero industry.
Only workable solution IMHO is to do it the hard way : develop LCA MK2 and/or AMCA to at last build up indigenous industry know how, then tie up as a credible partner with European next-gen fighter, which is bound to happen albeit later than US. Indian R&D money would actually increase the likelihood of such a prospect materializing.
” early-bird investor in the US Air Force’s sixth generation fighter programme ”
The fantasy that the USA will ALLOW foreign countries to invest in the development or manufacture of its cutting edge aircraft is not justified. The F-22 – a 20 year old aircraft is STILL not for sale. The USAF maintains B-2s, a host of drones and MANY technologies it will not share for ANY PRICE. Even the purchase of old F111 Nighthawks is barred from sale thought it is 40 years old in real terms.
The USA – unlike Russia or France is not a country which parts with its technologies or latest aircraft. The F35 is a formidable aircraft without doubt – BUT;
1. The USA will never transfer technologies behind most of the systems in the F35
2. The USA will require periodic checks and verification of these aircraft and their operation in Indian Airbases.
3. The USA will require India to sign the CISMOA and other treaties before any such sale takes place.
4. The USA will have a say and the ability to determine where the IAF can operate these aircraft and where it cannot.
5. The USA will control what kinds of repairs, what systems can be tampered with/altered by the IAF.
6. The USA CAN LIMIT the use of the F35 if it is against its interests or against its goals giving the USA veto over IAF ops.
7. The USA will restrict the repair, maintenance and spare parts of F35s to each market based on its PROFIT, not based on employing Indians or supporting MAKE in India.
8. The IAF will be dependent on US/European parts suppliers and not vice versa even if some parts are made in India as major components like Engines, radars, sensors will be made in USA.
Ultimately, unlike European Air Forces which are entirely subservient on USA planning and military guidance, the IAF pursues an independent military and strategic policy. Signing on to the F35 will jeopardize this strategic independence and further more will encumber Indian foreign policy to toe the line of the USA on Global affairs or risk jeopardizing the supply of spares and IAF’s operational capabilities.
France and Russia though not offering the LATEST and GREATEST in comparison to US aircraft do offer something the F35 does NOT – INDEPENDENCE . No aircraft is worth sacrificing Indian strategic autonomy and the ability to maneuver based on our interests.
Finally, 5th generation aircraft offer tactical superiority at the battlefield level – not strategic superiority. As a nuclear powered state, China’s 5th generation aircraft cannot endanger India’s nuclear retaliatory strike and that is the ULTIMATE guarantor of Indian security against China – not 5th generation aircraft.
Best Recommendation – Buy Russian S-400/500 SAM air defense systems and invest in 4/4.5 generation aircraft till FGFA becomes viable or AMCA becomes viable.
You may be right about strategic independence. But your recommendation is flawed, I think. If China uses stealth fighters then S-400s will have difficulty targeting them. We need something to counter stealth aircraft with.
Also, if China does not use a nuclear strike, then our policy dictates that we can’t use nukes either. In a conventional war with China (far more likely than nuclear war), we may need 5th generation fighters/bombers.
i am not surprised why iaf hasn’t moved an inch on FGFA because the prospect of getting shiny F-35s is irresistible, but it doesn’t take much to see the flaws
1. The addition of a plane from a new nation after already we have russian, french, british fighters poses a logistical nightmare.
2.the cost of investing in a american aircraft is gonna empty indian foreign reserves after all F-35s major criticism has been its mounting costs to US itself .
3. good-bye make in india
On the flip-side the advantage of investing in pak-fa can’t be ignored keeping in mind it is noticeably inferior to F-35 but afterall we are going to face chinese J-20s and pakistan f-16 not the dreaded american f-22s or f-35s .
Russians want all the money they can get in a poor economy subject to sanctions and low oil prices ,hence they will be ready to help us much more with the technology than americans as has been proven before. also it will be easier to integrate our missiles as we have already worked with
Su 30s. we can easily replenish are squandrons with Su-35s Su-50s maintaining the numbers and atleast not inferior to the chinese in tech if not superior. IAF and Russia just need to fully commit to it no more time for waiting as china soon lands its J-20s in tibet. It really bugs me how 11 years have passes and we still don’t know if we will go with FGFA or cancel it , such a poor procurement process.