A rather longish explanation for a single incident.
Fact is India lost a plane shot down over Pakistan and an IAF helicopter was lost to friendly fire on the same day within Indian Occupied Kashmir. Rest is heresy.
But credit to the author who tried to build case to support his version of events. Full marks for effort, zero for accuracy.
There was one pilot that was captured and he flew the Mig21 Bison (Abhinandan) and was handed over several days later to India.
The second pilot that was taken to CMH, died hours later the same day. So now, if PAF had shot down a Sukhoi 30MKI, there would have been not ‘one’ but ‘two’ pilots in their custody as Sukhoi’s have tandem cockpits.
There was only one pilot that was taken to CMH and so therefore the pilot belongs to a fighter plane that was flown by a single pilot. The two fighter jets that was in the dog fight that day was a Mig21 and an F16 evidently as claimed by both sides.
It is now fair to accept that it was therefore not a Sukhoi 30MKI that was shot down.
Well, Pakistan can now say that it was indeed a Sukhoi that was shotdown but the plane and one pilot landed on the Indian side and the second pilot on POK. So if that was the case, assuming that the pilot that died in CMH was the same Indian who flew the Sukhoi and was one among the two pilots that flew the Sukhoi that day and unfortunately landed on the side of POK as claimed by Pakistan, why was the body not returned to India? That should have been the procedure and things would have been much clearer to world.
As for now, we have accounted for the pilot of the Mig but we have not accounted for the pilot that died in CMH.
Please acknowledge and provide the pilot a decent burial with full honour. You should know it’s a shame because that pilot died defending a country. Please own up and take responsibility of the dead at least when they have fought on your side.
If one has to believe this TRUTH revealed by this author, including the electromagnetic signature evidences, the one must believe the claim made by Pakistan as well, that, PAF shot SU30 as well which fell well inside India. And India is hiding this. In that case, scores are 3-1 (mig, suk30 and a helo). Professionalism of IAF is clear that it shot its own bird during all this. If you kick the ball inside your own goal, point goes to the opposite team. Thus making it 3-1 and in this SU30 is far more superior to the F16s. ? ? ? ? ?
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Im still ROFLing. I think this author has really been watching and producing too many Bollywood and Hollywood movies.
BTW the author claims that out of the 4 missiles (which ISPR displayed in a tweet), the one on the far right is already fired to destroy the F-16. Seriously, you must be up for an Oscar. So the missile was fired, but somehow the seeker-head remains intact… stupid idiot.
The writer has proved the obvious shoot down of an f`16 by using ultra modern , sophisticated and expansive technologies of phantasy and assumptions.
thanks to the modern day dreaming approach introduced by Indians we know even the meticulous details about the incident like:
– the rear part of doomed jet was hit by missile warhead shock wave
– that thee unfortunate pilot was injured in the upper torso and facial region at the time of ejection
Using the same methodology soon they will easily prove that Pearl Harbor Raids were conducted by IAF and the event will be celebrated in whole of India with PRIDE. Didn’t know the cow urine had intoxicating effect as well.
India’s dad United States already said that none of the F16 are missing and all the missile of MIG 21 are held by Pakistan maybe Pakistan shove all those missile up India’s a*s than Indians might believe Pakistan didn’t lost any fighter jet. Indian terrorist want the world to believe the same shameless and lying Indian government who disowned their pilot and said none of the Indian airforce pilot are missing and only admitted after his pictures went viral being under Pakistan army’s custody and Indian terrorist should just admit the fact that Pakistan airforce shot down two Indian jet(MIG 21 and SU 30) and this absurd claim of shooting down F16 is to safe the face of Indian military who’ve been humiliated and defeated by Pakistan
haha pakistan’s grand father usa refused they never counted f16 it was a fake news by ispr
Indian terrorist state’s dad already said that none of the F16 are missing and all the missile of MIG 21 are held by Pakistan maybe Pakistan shove all those missile up India’s a*s than Indians might believe Pakistan didn’t lost any fighter jet. Indian terrorist want the world to believe the same shameless and lying Indian government who disowned their pilot and said none of the Indian airforce pilot are missing and only admitted after his pictures went viral being under Pakistan army’s custody and Indian terrorist should just admit the fact that Pakistan airforce shot down two Indian jet(MIG 21 and SU 30) and this absurd claim of shooting down F16 is to safe the face of Indian military who’ve been humiliated and defeated by Pakistan
I’m a former F-16 aerodynamicist/design engineer for General Dynamics Fort Worth Division. I worked on the F-16 project going back to the YF-16 prototype through the AFT-16 technology demonstrator..
No aviation professional would be surprised if a PAF fighter-bomber was lost during the recent incursion. Losses are expected during offensive actions over hostile territory, especially since PAF F-16s lack the support aircraft the US and Israel would field. The R-73 is a dangerous missile capable of bringing down any aircraft.
What is surprising, and has rocked IAF to the core, is how poorly its weaponry performed overall. PAF used its superior AMRAAMs to take control of the battle in its critical early seconds. That allowed ground attack group to complete its mission unmolested. The Sukhoi’s R-77s appear to have been of little use. India has recognized this in a surprisingly public manner, and is taking urgent measures to close this missile gap.
That said, the article lacks any primary references needed to authenticate its many claims. At one point it asserts that IAF provided “crystal clear evidence”, but the author fails to point us to that evidence. This leaves the reader is left with no path to verify the claimse. As such, it is just more hearsay, though written with a level of apparent detail that may lend it more authority than its actual content deserves.
One more thing… Orange is a common parachute color. The JF-17’s Martin-Baker parachute has orange panels. Plus, with no way to check the date the photo was taken, it provides no support for the author’s thesis.
Yes there is “crystal clear evidence” of Radar signature , Unless You want Something else You should mention it .Video Available on Yotube – Pak Army first declared Capture of “Two Pilots” & one admitted in hospital … in hurry because They did not realise Second one is from their Own F-16 .. due to communication jamming & Panic of time .
Mig-21 chased F-16 in enemy territory and Shot it down in Pak territory in that chase Mig-21 got hit by Another F-16 , Of-course so most Physical evidence will exists in Pak … not accessible to India .
Pakistan has history of denying Damages ,Its same state which hid Osama Laden for decade , rejected dead bodies of its own soldiers in Kargil war with India. Pakistani text book teaches that It has Won all Wars with India 🙂 . Infarct Richard Clarke Who had lot of experience with Pakistanis & Army …said “Pakistanis are Pathological Liars” , Army has to maintain Image in Pakistan . Its military controlled state .
Contrary – Attacker Side always have advantage of surprise , But PAF failed miserably lost Advance F-16 to Mig-21 . could not Achieve Any object . While Day before India Planes Striked Deep Inside Pakistan without getting detected by PAF . Truth if India had done similar Operation Like Pak as in 24 Fighter Planes …. It would have been apocalyptic day for PAF.
Missiles – India does not have any gap …. It was 24 PAF Planes against 8 Indian fighters . PAF fired multiple AMRAAMs out of Range which could not hit Su-30 … while Indian Pilot hv training of shooting missiles only if its in “effective” range . Firing missiles out of range is useless . But India realised it needs ultra long range missiles such situations .
Rip sidiqui, the unsung martyr of paf, will always remain hidden bcoz of pak propaganda, and wonder anyone in his family will ever joined the armed forces and for the Foreign Policy journal however you tried to hide the facts i am quite sure your country chance in mmrca2 is over and better asked trump admin. to try to sell f21 to pak instead
great effort its a very good bedtime story i am convinced that sometimes even the smarter ones can be nothing but a monkey that avoids facts and try to come up with lame explanation and you should dig into the matter of the second IAF plane shot down.
Witing essays won’t prove anything. If we leave Pakistani and Indian national media aside and see what rest of the world is saying; it is loud and clear that best we can say is that IAF has not given irrefutable evidence of downing F16 and similarly other circumstantial evidence also deny Indian claims.
It is sheer disapointment to listen such a senior IAF officer with such a weak, unaunthetic and childish evidences with no concreet proofs. His only cry is that PAF used F16s. U ppl need to understand fol:-
1 F16 is our aircraft and no one can stop us from using it.
2 AMRAAM is our missile which is for aireal tgts. U need u accept it that terrorists dont have airforce.
3 Our every bullet, every aircraft and every missile is for u and only u. We will use anything ay our disposal to humble u and teach u a befitting lesson.
4 Dont bring tsunami in a cup. Ur lies wont help u. Accept it that PAF is as professional as any other main line airforce. Its not more than a joke that mig 21 can hit a high tech aircraft like F16. Our pilots are well trained and much professional and any professional pilot knows this thing. U may clearify it from IAF officers.
5 Ask ur airforce why they used mig 21 against more sophisticated Pakistani aircrafts… isnt it a basic logical question?
6 Do u think in a present era of information where every individual is carrying android phone, we can hide 300 dead bodies? If yes… give us a credit for having such a competent institutions and agencies… how can u even think like this that so far no video of mass killings leaked.
7 As per ur govt, they have isolated Pakistan internationally. But european satellites are showing no damage to buildings in Balakot. We have shown u the places where the bombs landed. U think we dug it in the foothills?
8 US saying we have counted F16s and no aircraft has been lost but u are not ready to accept their statements. Hats off to ur understanding of basic things. Btw who got isolated internationally?
9 Proofs looks like wng comd Abhi talking like a parrot cursing his country’s media.
10 Proof looks like debris of aircraft with pak army officer standing next to it with boots on indian flaged tail of aircraft.
11 Proof looks like showing those destroyed pine trees and the broken ground in balakot where ur bombs landed with no house near it. Not like a senior IAF officer and talk like kids.
12 Very soon u will come to know about “the other pilot” also. Let us get over with some back door diplimacy. Just wait and see.
IAF got ambushed. Simple as that. Despite India’s posse of Sukhoi’s, Mirages in the background and Mig’s ahead, PAF formation’s radio jamming led abhi going astray into Pak side (abhi’s wingman chickened out?)
MI-17 is a bigger mystery. Was it taken down for deflection from the kill of Su30 MKI?
IAF has not managed to convince anybody with their Awac drawings- issued 38 days later after getting trumped in broad daylight and that too after the magazine claimed the count of F16’s tallying up. Was IAF content in keeping quiet all these days if they really (really) got a kill shot of an F-16?
PAF locking onto 6 targets in India side, taking down 2 jets and 3 pilots, India claiming they lost 6 IAF personnel in a MI-6 chopper as fratricide (really India?), India missing Balakot targets, Western command reading the situation terribly wrong and getting trumped in broad day light and last but not the least, all of PAFs claim’s adding up that too with evidence provided shows IAF estimated the PAF strategy of ambush + stun and conquer.
And all of this for one megalomaniacs victory. What a tragedy of India and Indians.
It is quite established by credible media and talk show reports that other pilot held by Pakistani authorities is an Israeli pilot who was flying SU 30 aircraft of IAF and was shot down by Wing Comdr. Nauman of PAF. Due to obvious reasons Pakistani and Indian authorities are not making any claims about it. Instead of accepting downing of its other fighter aircraft Indian government and IAF have fabricated a story of lies claiming downing of F 16 of PAF. Lies will always be lies. Indian media and Indian government have already become a laughing stock world over for their lies.
Bangladesh is not Bangladesh it is East Pakistan even today. Earth is flat and hence tread carefully as you approach the edges lest you fall – that’s a typical Paki for you born and reared in denial, given drops of denial instead of Polio Drops.
Correct..!!
These pakis are habitual, perpetual liars..!!!
The whole world knows.
USA has also dissociated with them as discarded garbage..even Iran, Afghan want no ties with them.
Failed state as they have nothing todo except crying…INDIA…INDIA… INDIA…
They r not worthy to even merit a reaction to their anti India rants…..
Why not you Mr.Bird Brain Journalist of India ask permission from your Government to send you along with your Country American Ambassador, with of course a Primary School Slate & a chock in your shivering hands to count down the PAF F-16 Jets at one of our Air Force Base? May this be enough to satisfy your Stupid Media Sherlock Holme’s game of Investigations?
So the author admits that one of the Pakistani F-16 formations engaged Indian Sukhoi Su-30MKI jets (first paragraph after the intro). This vindicates Pakistani claim of having shot down two Indian jets, other being a Su-30. 🙂
This also explains more than one parachutes in the air at the end of the dogfight. In fact, one of the videos, available on social media, shows three parachutes and we know Su-30 is piloted by two personnel.
Also, the author claims that missile impact left the pilot injured “only” on the upper torso and facial region and not on the lower body. How could this possibly happen that shrapnel target only one part of the body and not others. And if he remained in the aircraft until after the impact, how did he manage to eject from an aircraft with a damaged canopy/cockpit afterwards — ejection system must have been damaged by now.
And yes, as has already been mentioned, the ninth photograph in this article was released by ANI on 27 Feb with the caption, “J&K: Pictures of craters formed from Pakistani bombs dropped near Indian Army post in Rajouri sector. Pic courtesy: Army sources)”. How come those Pakistani bombs metamorphosed into aircraft parts and managed to travel across the LOC?
THIS ARTICLE HAS NO SOURCE, NO PICTURES, NO VIDEOS, NOR ANY OTHER FORM OF EVIDENCE. IT IS HATE SPEECH, THE MAIN THING THAT DISRUPTS PEACE. IT IS BASED ON PURE SPECULATION, “It is my suspicion that Squadron Leader…”. MOST OF IT IS MAKING FALSE NONSENSE CONNECTIONS TO PAST EVENTS THAT *MAY* HAVE OCCURRED. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN PICKED FROM AN IMAGINARY WORLD WHERE EVERYTHING THIS WRITER THINKS IS THE BIBLE N WE ALL SHOULD PREACH HIS/HER WORDS. I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH BIAS. THIS ARTICLE REAKS OF IT. THE TITLE ALONE PROVES THIS AUTHOR’S BIAS.
HAVE ALL INDIAN MEDIA OUTLETS FALLEN SO LOW, AS TO SPREAD LIES, CONSPIRACY, HATE SPEECH, ETC.
IF ANYONE WHO READS THIS KNOWS HOW TO REPORT AN ARTICLE HERE, THEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW, I THINK ANY SANE MANAGER OR DIRECTOR WOULD KNOW THAT THIS IS COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE AND IS DEGRADING THE TRUST AND VALUE OF THE OUTPUT OF THIS MEDIA OUTLET.
THANKS
Bin Laden was not in Pakistan … Pakistan won 1971 war … U guys can stay happy with your lies …. No one believes you … Every country condemned Pakistan after Pulwama attack and every one appreciated India for its action … And Foreign Policy news is being provided fake as US state department has clarified that no count has been made yet .
How can u fight a wsr 1000s of miles away with locals brainwashed by India . What happened to u 1965, 1948 , Kargil and most recently at Kashmir . The whole world knows the truth but u guys day dreaming .
Hahahahahhhhhh. Samer Joshi
LMAO…..Indians are heros only in BW movies… Otherwise they have to take support of such Envelope Journalists
Pakistan is always busy lying for everything. Let it be the wars they fought with India, let it be their own crumbling economy or a country full of shitty mujahid terrorists. Secondly you people talking about USA reports of no casualties of F-16 fighter by a Mig 21. Wake up idiots…it’s a USA built fighter jet and news of it getting killed by almost an Era old Mig 21 will kill it’s market and morale of their F-16 pilots as well because now they regret of giving their jets to idiotic Pakistani pilots who didn’t knew how to fly F-16 and got it killed.
And everyone knows the game of good and bad publicity.
Where is your evidence…….only radar signatures……hhhhh……what a childish thought
Your question was asked by many when the US report was released. But, please check your facts again. Pakistan also bought some second hand F-16s from Jordan when the arms embargo was imposed by USA soon after 9/11.
Thus, Pakistan can be in possession of an F-16 not sold by USA directly. Secondly, AIM 120 AMRAAM can only be launched on F-16 fighters that Pakistan possesses. Pakistan does not have F-18. No other country has F-22 or F-35 since USA has never sold them to other countries since they are stealth & fifth generation fighters.
I am somewhat of a military buff. Yes, it is a surprise that a MIG-21 shot down an F-16. They are 20 years apart in their development. Even the missiles have different ranges and capabilities.
Once the Indian pilot had the element of surprise, it was easy to close into a comfortable range for his own missile. This mistake here was that if the PAF pilot had continued his retreat, he would have easily outsped the MIG 21 and out of its missile range.
But, the PAF pilot might have been confident since he had the more advanced fighter as well as a longer range missile with active radar tracking (thus making AMRAAM a fire & forget missile). Hence, when he turned to face the MIG-21, he made a mistake because he invariably started reducing the distance between them. Thus, both missiles found their target and both planes went down as a result.
If you remove the element of surprise achieved by the IAF pilot and the decision by the PAF pilot to face him, it would have been impossible for the MIG-21 to down an F-16 at a long range since RF 73 has a range of 30 km while AMRAAM has a BVR (Beyond Visual Range) of 190 km.
U ppl r full of shitt like ur country y u trying so hard to make ppl believe that u r not a lier every time it coming up with something n next moment Ur down n even worst from b4 really ppl like u r the responsible for spreading hatred u ppl r such a loser every time u have been caught from the neck then u cry to Ur Papa USA come n help us u such a disgrace to the nation n to the humanity what u do is bark on couple of buks shame on u at least do have a courage to accept the truth n to tell the truth but y would u if ur not sincere to Ur motherland n to ur ppl then y u care for others Indian media is kinda joke what I hear n see is all barking…
It is very good sign for regional peace and stability that the you Indians remain in a state of denial and celebration and continue efforts to proof something which never happened. If IAF had even 1% proof of an F16 kill, they would not have fired their AOC on the very next morning. Imagine the circumstances (03 aircraft and 08 lives lost)where the top person incharge of the battle zone had to remove his ranks immediately…do you really think that the poor chap deserve this treatment on such a heroic of getting a F16 kill? Beside this, your PM admitting”desh ka bara nuqsaan” is a big testament to the events of 27/2. Please dig in more and continue to fool around…you deserve a pat on back and bigget pay check for your efforts…Bravo
Till today, pak is not acknowledging surgical strike, not acknowledging Balcot terrorist camp demolition. In past too, didn’t acknowledged shelter to Osama. So not surprised, if pak is denying martyerhood to its own pilot.
Abhy nandan is only eye witness of dogfighting, he is with you it’s mean Pakistan has given you the chance to come up with his interview, claiming destruction of F-16. Can you ask your Govt to witness the area across IOK ,where Pakistan claims to have surgical strike. One, Sku,1 MIG 21 and one helicopter destruction is enough damage to be buried.
Pakis are always spoke lies particularly on battlefield. In 1971, before 90,000 POWs were taken by Indian tps, they chest thumbing just 24 hours before that they are in advantage. Also what happened in Kargil? They refused to take the all dead bodies of their soldiers but selectively taken some. So it is not new that Pak is totally destroyed nation. My advise to the common people of pak that put pressure on your govt to shun the terrorism doctrine and join the hands with us to eradicate poverty. We both got indep on same day and see how we progressed economically.
Full masalha story for upcoming bollywood movie…lol….you can get a job in bollywood. We challenge you…dobara aao…or apney Baazu aazmao… Baato se bachey paida nhi hotey…
For sure it takes more than month to fabricate such a story coz all you have shown are images from Pakistan.
Come up with something more convincing. Ask nandoo to hold a press briefing.
Now I know it takes more than a month to Fabricate such writeup…. while truth is instantly visible.
All that you have to publish and Show is the images from Pakistan. Come up with something more credible.
Saari duniya main khilli ud gai tum logon ki.. Bus ab yeh hi Kar saktay ho.. Koi nai khush ho jao khud hi hamary khilaaf article likh k??????????Zara US ka article b parh Lena Bari tareefain hain us main tum sachon ki
Typical bollywood style twisty mirch masala story with lame excuses in order to cover the humiliation faced by IAF. You should rather accept your defeat. IAF lost 2 jets and 1 helicopter with several IAF jawan died on 27 Feb. Plus PAF also targetted on ground. Its a complete failure of Indian arm forces. Pakistan warned a day before and proved it on next day in a day light. If you have a doubt that Sqd Leader Hassan Siddique died that you better watch his video on his return and listen to his leaked phone call on youtube. Please improve the competency of your pilots before sending them on any Modi-venture.
I am surprised by the response received from various contributions received from Pakistan. If Pakistan has suffered no loss, why this vehemence and anger? These fellows are so disturbed by articles written in an Indian online magazine that they venture to cross international barriers and start protesting in an uncivil, abusive and pestilent language. What is the motive? Who in India is bothered about how you respond? . India knows how to handle Pakistan. We have beaten you thrice in the past. This T-20 mini version of air battle has again rattled Pakistanis as their nuclear bluff is called. The Pakistani generals, in spite of their bravado, , will no go near to the nuclear button. This is the reason Pakistanis are angry and write trash in Indian magazines.
People from India do the same on Dawn news Pakistan pages on Facebook. Nothing new bro ?
Who was that unlucky guy who was hospitalised in CMH, whether he in Indian or Pakistan. Where he is now? If PAF has all F-16 intact. The US could match their serial number with the inventory and clarify that whether the plane was given by Jordanian force or US and if it has been shot down? Why ISPR had to change their statement within hours after their claim of shooting down two Indian pilot?
Reading this I remembered a famous quote:
“Never debate with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level of mind and then he will defeat you.”
Stop ranting Indians please, the face your army concealed and your Govt. shows is now in front of the world.
USA confirmed no F16 was used to shot down Indian mig21. Grow up please, live in reality, accept your flaws.
Regards,
SBH Jafri
What Pakistan stated was confirmed by pentagon as well as all international media whether it was fake claim of bombing balakot or shoot down of F16. Pakistan even showed all the firearms of Abhinandon’s Mig21 which could not get fired. Last and most important NO CONFIRMATION FROM ABHINANDON TOO and is out of picture. Is Abhinandon on leave or HOUSE ARREST?
I really read article to learn and know if ispr lied to us but in the end i realized the writer knows shit about whole insidend and is just throwing around theories hoping one would. Stick…..damn guyz u r miserable….there is a greatness in accepting when you have lost …we lost in 1971 in kargil but this time you did ….the army of those times is gone…and you should too stop seeing us through that old monocular of yours…and i would like to tell tye writer to see a psychologist coz he/she is in a oblivious state of mind…
This is the worlds best analysis i have read on the issue.
Layer by layer and point by point, the way proofs are explained is excellent. The shooting of F-16 by Mig 21 is beyond doubt.
If anyone still doubt it then either they are direct descendant of Ostrich or Pig ?
Read the US report that says all Pakistani F-16s are intact. You are being fed fake news.
Least one can say that Indians are born liers. They are hell bent to prove they shot down F-26 with the flying coffen even after USA counted all F-16’s are intact with Pakistan.
World is laughing at this idiocracy. One plane killed in Azad Kashmir with pilot saved and other killed alingwith captain went down in Indian occupied Kashmir video clip of both is available showing both killed plane and pilot. Pakistan has shown the intact missiles of Abhinandan’s plane this shows that India used prayers to down F-16 in thier immaginations.
I ask my Pakistani Brothers and sisters not to respond to these idiots as they are not better than Mad Pigs of Hell. They are already made fun of them in whole world and even with sane Indian elements that are many. Modi the terrorist is leading India to the End of state. New Pakistan, Khslistan and Many other countries are about to be created. Kashmir will also be United soon.
IAF pilot fired a single missile which got its target and was hit in return by the AMRAAM from the PAF fighter. So, the rest of the missiles on the MIG-21 will remain intact. Do you even know how many external hardpoints do fighter aircraft have to carry missiles? An F-18 SUPER HORNET has 11 hardpoints.
Even most older fighter aircraft have a minimum of 4 external hardpoints (2 on each wing) with some having another under the fuselage (or underbelly).
Stealth fighters do not have external hardpoints and carry all their weaponry in an internal bay. Weapons are exposed only before launch.
So, there is no mystery that some intact missiles were found at the MIG-21 crash site.
So what did Abhi none done shoot f16 with a slingshot? Because all his missiles have been found intact with the wreckage of his plane ?
Simply, length of ur article says how much panic you are in, in fact the entire Indian media. You people initially said that it will s Wing Cdr. Shehzaad ud din who was killed in action but later on it was blasted as the picture of the pilot u people used himself came forward. Secondly, all four missiles abhinandan had are shown intact, means he didn’t fire a single missile. Thirdly, PAF pilots don’t use white helmets as shown in ur never-ending article. But I’m sure IAF (idiot air force) uses white helmets, ur comments about this ???? Also people of Azad Kashmir are not stupid enough to just kill anyone landing from sky, they would assure themselves befor doing any such thing. Abhinandan asked the people whether he was in India?? People were sharp enough to deceive that idiot guy by acknowledging that, in joy he shouted jay hind and then people pounced upon him. Ur idiot pilot himself revealed his identity. U talked about abhinandan’s face that he suffered Geneva convention violation, I don’t are u really an ignorant and dumb person paid to high for such bullshit or u r just occupied in goblet of jealousy and hatred. Common people don’t know about Geneva convention kind of things, they recognized abhinandan to be an Indian pilot on their soil, and hit him, but Pak amry not only rescued him from that dire situation but also treated him well and eventually let him go back. This is 21st century, u can not prove the downing of F16 by showing just a blurred image which can be edited of course.
I would also like to clarify that Americans don’t need to lie for PAF or F16. In fact, it could have been an opportunity for them to get back from the sale terms by saying that PAF didn’t have enough capability to operate F16 and eventually putting all spare supplies to a halt. But they themselves verify it because if F16 is not shot, then they won’t let anyone use it for their personal interests, secondly F16 played a very best role in current skirmish by shooting down a Su30 by a distance of 45 to 55 Kms. Isarel airforce also got their F16 shot down last year to a Syrian obsolete missile defence, did it affect the sales of F16????? So why this time USA would not accept the downing?? Also now a days USA is ur ally, not particularly ours, and believe me they could have beat the shit out of u people for this false claim but u people are big fat money babes, so they would like to keep good with u too???
Have you even seen the pictures of a F-16 & a Sukhoi-30? Why don’t you compare their images and see how much difference is there?
There is no way they can be confused with one another. Neither PAF nor IAF have an F-18 which is more similar on external appearance to a Sukhoi 30.
Gahaha idiots indian writer making his nation fool. whare is proofs like Abhi nandan and planes burning in pakistan of indian we are senting your planes in PAF Mesuim you can also come and see.
My Dear Pakistani Friends
Hope this acrimony between India and Pakistan comes to an end some day. But whats most disrurbing is eradication of any proof of existence of Sqn Ldr Hassan Siddqui F16 pilot. The soldier is a soldier and deserve a soldiers respect irrespective of nationality. How can his identity be decimated forever by its own country.? Very shameful. If a country cant own its martyr it can never fight a war leave aside the winning part. Its the time Pak govt realises its mistake and declare Sqn Ldr Hassan Siddqui a national Hero too.
Squadron Leader Hassan Siddiqui is alive and well. Please be careful who and what you believe to be true.
Samir, I give you another dog fight to analyse…
MM Alam shot down 5 endian jets in less then 1 minute……I know you will go to any extent to lie deny this also……..
The 2nd pilot, well I believe you and that pilot master’s already know who he is and where is he from….
You……. what do you think was going on….a sick endian movie… and PAF designed a chute just as identical to your country flag…you are a disgrace to your IAF and endia……
One of the more stupid article I ever read. Full of empty, unproven theories that lives only in the fantasy of the writer. The reality is one and only one: PAF shoot down an indian Mig 21, and the stupid indians itself shoot down it’s own Mil 17. The IAF is only a “paper tiger”, an air force full of combat aircrafts old as shit or with a disponibility rate under 50%, so impotent and unable that they prefer go for cry to US for to blame the PAF about the F-16’s use than that defend itself. Think to the cows, you guys, and let the war to the men. It’s better.
The ‘smooth finish panel’ is literally the same piece that you showed a photo of which you admitted was confirmed by experts to be part of the mig-21, as can be seen in one of the videos (https://youtu.be/h7xcPfj3H94?t=73).
The second ‘parachute’ in the video you linked (https://youtu.be/AZ0OMbhLlXM) is burning and falling much faster than the actual parachute, and is clearly the falling aircraft. This was even corroborated by the other source video you used (https://youtu.be/28zkCei4kbI?t=226).
A bit of a joke to use the same source video to mean two separate things in your ‘analysis’. Really sheds light on how weak your arguments are.
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Why did you not link the original article from Hindustan Times where they claim to have contacted an anonymous source at the Department of Defense?
The Pentagon/DoD has not given an official/public statement at all. The fact that you claimed this is an outright lie.
I would rather trust a US journalist that has strong links and a history of reporting from the pentagon than an Indian journalist who may well be biased.
To top it all off this Indian journalist from the Hindustan Times couldn’t even get the anonymous official from the DoD to deny that a count took place, only that the particular unnamed official, that they claim to have spoken to, wasn’t aware of it.
You did not provide a link/source of the video/image you claim to have of the F-16 parachute for “ image taken from a Pakistani video grab of a parachute landing”. A source would be appreciated to verify where you got that frame from
Dear Sameer Joshi, very well done. Guys this how you shoot down F16 sitting at your home. It’s like Rajni kant 70 years old still acts as hero with 17 years old heroin, and Indian see his movies with eyes wide open. Similarly Indians will believe this story. Dear Sameer Joshi, can you tell why you sacked your air force chief, answer this and your story is dead. Good day dear Joshi
Please dont make fool to indians with ur stupid analysis which are based on would, could, and other predictive words. Truth always prevails even the third party countries confirmed nothing happen to F-16 close ur drama.
Paf knew. Their pilot was missing. So why was imran confused about count of pilots.
They had to suppress that info initially because of the chance he was alive in Indian territory.
Pakistan also bought some second hand junk f 16 from Jordan in 2014. So some paid house may have conveniently counted one of those fighters. The last few weeks were spent by PAF doing all this jugaar. As for outdated MiG shooting down a f16. Don’t forget our very small outdated GNAT filter had shot down paki sabre jets before and older battle tanks had destroyed Pakistani Patton tanks before. Pakistan is a failed state, beggars waiting to become a Chinese colony in the coming decades. Imran Khan was a good cricketer but see how Pakistan is planning a hit wicket . Can’t you fools see that. Work hard and save your country by economic progress, China is a bigger threat to you than India. And if it comes to that Baluchistan is waiting to be another Bangladesh. In few years Bangladesh will become a bigger economy than Pakistan and if Baluchistan separates it will be a wealthier nation than Pakistan in no time.
Pakistan Never speak truth about their activities. Whole world know s what Pakistan said about Binladen. One of the worst country of liers as rulers on earth. Better they should compare themselves in development with other countries.
Ok let’s suppose that the story told by indians is true then I have few questions from indians. Hope they would argue sensibly.
1st. Why the Western air command chief is given force retirement after PAF’s action??
2nd. Why mr abhinandan’s wingman who shot down mi17 in a friendly fire is being court marshalled??
Modi kye paltu kuto pls do journalism not ass licking
You should be eye openers not liers
Being a common man i dont want to know who killed whom is it MIG or F16. Matter is where the country is heading have decreased corruption no.
Have we asked the Govt what they have done in last 70 years
Look at the other countries they have reached heights of sucess and are progressing.
I think our journalism have failed and become puppet
Stop acting you Pakistani buffoons. Accept what you witnessed. That’s all you have to do. All the evidences are not cooked up stories. You buffalos are illiterates that why you don’t understand what is written. These evidences are enough to prove that you have used F-16’s in the dog fight. If you want see more evidence just cross the LOC IAF will show you.
@Ganesh KS… Bhai aap chill krein, you Are simply MODI-fied.. Trolled.. Hahaha.. Indian Airforce lost 06 Aircrafts in February 2019 alone, 02 MiGs, 01 SU-30, 01 Heli, 01 Jaguar.. So much for our gutsy Airforce.. Lolx..
3 points for sure is
1. Pakis buy whatever they have by selling Sharif’s buffaloes and hard bargain and finally end up giving count to other countries.
2. Country full of illeterate fools who beat their own pilot to death.
3. Doesn’t matter how good a aircraft you give them they still ride it like a Bullock cart.
The day after Indian pilot Abinandan was captured an idiot had given an interview of how they tricked him telling he was in India and he ended up raising patriotic slogans and how these idiots apprehended him. Even at the time of interview the idiot didn’t recognise that he was the one who tricked for giving away the truth by raising patriotic slogans.
All said and done hope you guys get some loan from IMF. How many days can you run a country selling buffaloes?
I pick a lot of holes in your fantasy story but when my really caught my eye, firstly u my to great lengths to describe how PAF pilot was killed but then said that Hasan Siddique might be the pilot shot down by Abhinandan. So then how come he is alive? And his video from return of mission was uploaded same day not by ISPR but by another user. It is not released later, it was few hours after the engagement.
BTW, u show R73 seeker as a fact about Mig21 kill but remain mum on blown up piece of AMRAAM missile Ur cheif was carrying in press conference? Care to explain what does that mean. AMRAAM’S don’t blow up on falling on ground. They blow up when they hit their target.
With due respect, on your second injunction, your own military claimed they didn’t hit any military bases of India as (apparently) they weren’t the target. So what target do you speak of?
@Taimur, Please use your grey cells, if you have them … and the biggest hole in PAK story is the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke dear sharp guys
These Indians have a habit of coming to these forums without doing proper home work.
The embarrassment in your tv talk shows of presenting a Mig engine as that of an F16, was witnessed by the whole world !!
All missiles (R73, R77, AIM-9 or AMRAAM) have a time delay fuse in addition to proximity fuse. Once they are fired, there is a specific amount of time within which the missile has to find its target and detonate the warhead with the proximity fuse. If the missile loses track of the target, it flies till its rocket motor runs out and then the time delay fuse kicks and explodes the warhead. The ISPR image shows three missiles with intact warhead section and that indicates that none of those missiles were fired. The fourth missile (R73) has no warhead and that indicates that it was fired because:
1. The warhead is the heaviest and densest part of a missile. In the event of a crash, the force of the crash causes the missile to detach itself from the wing pylons and the crash will either bury the missile a few inches into the earth or throw it a few feet away from the wreckage. In either case, the warhead will survive intact. Even if the missing R73 warhead had burned/ exploded during the crash, it would have caused visible destruction at the wreckage site and scattered the fuselage sections further apart. But, the fuselage appears largely intact.
2. When a missile is fired, it approaches the target at hypersonic speeds just before detonation. When the warhead explodes, it detaches the seeker section that is ahead of the warhead. The seeker part continues to fly at hypersonic speed and will almost always escape the warhead detonation without any major damage. So, recovery of seeker is not evidence enough to claim that R73 was not fired.
What caught my eye is that your Gafoor goofs up a lot or lets put it this way he is a habitual goofer… ???
Anyone who knows the basic mechanism & physics of air to air missile can understand how AMRAAM pieces are found on the ground. You can refer to any defence journal or even Wikipedia for that matter. Both R73 Vympel & the AIM 120 AMRAAM are explosive missiles with proximity fuses i.e they are not hit to kill missiles. That means they do not actually hit the target. That happens in very old missiles.
Proximity fuse missiles detonate at a predestined distance before reaching the target which is set by the pilot before launch. Once launched and the proximity distance to target is attached, the missile detonates itself near to the target. It is the explosive forces and the missile shrapnel travelling at that speed that tear through the aircraft and damage it.
Usually when the missile exploding behind the target, it disables the engines and if fuel tank is ruptured, then there will be a huge explosion. In a frontal attack, all the shrapnel will tear through the cockpit severely injuring the pilot.
Thus, the missiles that has blown in mid air will have its pieces falling to the ground. Much of the recovered material is usually the shell casing and the propeller & fin components, not the forward portion of the missile which bears the brunt of the explosion.
By the way, if the PAF pilot mentioned is still alive, why has he not made any more appearances. If he was allowed so soon after the event (before even debriefing), then he would already be a celebrity in Pakistan and would have made more appearances.
How much has been given to writer by the Indian govt to lie and fool their citizens. What the Indian establishment is doing is to make the whole country satisfying in illusions and keep the ground reality at bay
@Ali, you need not expect the same coins everywhere like your country, your Govt is known to the entire world for their quality (or lack of it) for hiding truth, misguiding propaganda and denying recognition of their own 1000’s of died in combat soldiers in Kargil & denying their last rites.
Please use your grey cells, if you have them to save your country from these propaganda of lies and deceiving … and the biggest hole in PAK story is the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke dear sharp guys
You country kept the reality from you about Kargil war and your army involvement for 11 years only to admit it in 2010..
To all pokis , try to earn some bread and butter for you and your country , talking F 16 and Mig 21 is worthless with beggar’ s bowl in your hand.
We are in a very good state as far as basic necessities are concerned unlike poor population of your country who still don’t have toilets in 20th century. Your writer is assuming many things but first I like to mention here that international media not only reporting that PAF didn’t lose any aircraft but also that no camps were distroyed on 26th February. So your poor writer forgot to shed some light on that aspect as well.
Ask your silly PM not to wish for war because it will bring distruction on a very large scale. I know your media and government are putting so many efforts these days for face saving of what happend on 26th and 27th of February. Believe in peace and be a good neighbor
Look whos talking first you get toilets for you overpopulated country then think to buy rafale?
US and Pakistan have strong motives to deny that F16 was shot down by an ageing Soviet MiG 21. For US such admission would damage the brand value of F16 fighter. Pakistan would like its benefactor US to believe that it never deployed their F16 to combat Indian Air Force. The narrative that IAFs MiG21 has shot down their F16 would expose their lie.
The domestic stakeholders in India also like to believe Pakistan version, because accepting the Indian version would mean conceding a lot of political advantage to Modi during the election campaign.
Went through your, never ending article and wonder if the average Indian can even understand or digest your in depth analysis !!
Just one query and we all would like you to answer it. Forget the colorful parachutes, PAF and its pilots discard their White Helmets years and years ago with the standard Gray Helmets on F-16,JF-17, Mirages, F7PG and K8.
Any eye witness account claiming to see a Gray Helmet desecding that day because if it were All Whites, then its your Su-30 and Mirage or Mig pilots !!!
@sajid, Forget your raised issue for a moment, but the biggest hole in PAK story is the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke dear sharp guys. Once you can clarify this issue, we can come back to the issue of helmets, if you wish !!!
@ Zinat Assuming the other pilot is of Israeli origin, why their isnt any denial from Israeli Air Force and why your Govt is tight lipped on the issue ??
As for the Gray / White helmets, its a genuine point and you know it well. PAF stopped using Whites 15-20 years ago. Google IAF web sites, and your pilots can be seen carrying or wearing and now descending in it. WHITES
If so then why does not your Gafoor disclose the identity of the second pilot that was in your custody???
The Pentagon has denied that any such counting of F16 was undertaken by it as claimed by the Pak Army. This shows the depth to which the Pak Army can fall. Lies and deceit is all that has been fed to the pakistanis by their disgraceful Army. Indian Army and its soldiers are way ahead of their paki counterparts in terms of training they receive and the valour and bravery they display in the battlefield. Paki Army is capable of only committing genocides – against Bangladeshis before their liberation and now against the Occupied Balochistan
I am a common man and don’t know much about the technicalities , but as per my understanding, as America has given F-16 to Pakistan for some specific reasons, they would have all rights to do the audit and check whether all their plains are safe..
Nice joke by IAF. Is MIG capable of shooting down F-16? But F-16 was not used. No Physical evidences are there of shooting down if Any PAF jet. Keep making fool to Indian Nation
@Khawar, what a sharp guy you are … hahaha … all the ARAAM missile parts (fireable only from F16 only in Pakistan), which were put on display were bluffs … hahaha, all the eletrocic signatures of 12 nos of fleets of F16, JKLF17 & Mirage III recorded by Indian recording system were wrong … hahaha, seems only you know what the truth is …. haha, please look out for a oker’s job, if you have a circus company in Pakistan … hahaha
You cannot always Fool innocent, Poor Indians with your Lies, Bogus fictional stories, This article should be given an award for Best Idiotic Comedy.. We Indians will never believe your Lies, We lost the Skirmish, and we must accept Defeat.. Pathetic planning by our Indian Airforce. Atleast for heavens sake, START Telling Truth now..
You are another idiot paki trying to pose as an Indian ….this is the problem with you and your army….lies and deceit …
Grow up kid please, live in reality!
The way you can’t fool with your name ‘Juliet Foxtrot Seventeen’ .
Any number of hoors assured in pak for pretending to be Christian??
Dear pakistani fox, surely pakistan are infamous in the entire world for their lies, bluffs and deceits, example: mass killing of millions of muslim and non muslim men and gang raping 1000”’s of Hindu women by their indisciplined rogue Army, invading Kargil without declaring war, becoming the hub of terrorism in Asia … so, no-one believes you dear, sorry.
Pooh !! Try better next time !
Which aircraft was shooted who ejected the whole world observed that and in theories you can prove any thing however One thing is clear PAF outclass IAF.
The world knows it….dont worry….time will expose your army, just as it did after Kargil, and after the 1971 Bangladesh Liberation War.. ..it left your shameless army red faced. Till then you live in fools paradise
Very detailed , a great script to create a new #bollywoodmovie as like surgical strike….
keep living in fools world and very good to have some mental satisfaction as it has been almost now a month #IndianMedia, indiandigitalmedia , IAF screaming hard to prove it on paper …..
On this effort I say you had shot our “two” planes… Be high… May b your IAF and Blogging teams along #nation get satisfied
With quotation for your media & IAF & Blogging teams
Let the Fools remain Fool …. 🙂
We will assure that I have next time better counts … 😉
In fact IAF shot “three” wawoo clapping third one was just clinched the smoke of the missile launched by capt shot down 😉
Dear Einstein @Waqas, be happy with the variation of happenenings in Pak govt version, if you want, however, cannot evade your responsibility to properly explain the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke
Good effort
But America telling a lie? And the website who posted that PAF F-16 are in complete numbers and none of them are missed how you rectify it…
And also your analysis is not impartial you are Indian and you always support you country. You never post any thing against your country different other websites also took analysis of this incident and they said no PAF F-16 was shot down they were foreginers and they did impartial analysis not in the interest of the country like you.
Dear @Anonymous, sweet dear, do not know your name, afraid to print it ??? Why dear ??? Why so much afraid ??? After Balakot air strike ??? You may be sad to know that Pentagon, America has already refused to be a part of such counting story sweetheart … Happy now ???? Your F16 is shot down as IAF had told you already, Be prepared to that version of TRUTH, to which, Pak is not at all accustomed even after 1972 B’Desh and 1995 Kargil, very sad.
Dear @ Abdul, Are you sure to be a non sense by generation Abdul ??? hahaha
You people always talks about fictions, making your innocent people fool and have zero knowledge of air combat and weapon you shitless writter do know what proximty fuze is? Do know what a warhead with 7 to 8 kg of missil is? And that to hitting front side of an aircraft it will make the aircraft to broke in to pices and pilot will be un able even to eject, first learn about the air combat and weaponry than write this kind of nonsens to your foolish people, every thing is not bollywood or tollywood. Accept your defeat with open heart the histroy will remember 27 feb.
@Irfan. It will really help if you argue correctly and quote lines which is being misquoted.
1) “Secondly PM Imran Khan never ever gave the figure of how many pilots are under custody.” Imran mentioned “pilots”, listen to his speech again.
2) ” Starting with the fact that ISPR never ever said that anyone in their custody has died. “. Which line in this article mentions that ISPR claimed one pilot has died? There is no such line in this article. Perhaps I am missing.
3) “many Indian Army posts and ammunition depots were also targeted” . Even Pakistan never claimed it officially. Also can you define many?
4) US has clarified no such check of F-16 were done.
5) About the point of locals Ajmal Kasab’s presence were even denied by locals later on. So less is said about locals or never.
The principal argument this article gives is ISPR’s change of narrative from 2 pilot to 1 pilot in their custody. 1 pilot being in hospital. We don’t know what happened to that pilot don’t we. That is challenging Pakistan’s narrative which is not going to go away. In a democracy media should ask and I am hoping you would ask that question.
Also timing looks suspicious when Pakistani media started questioning about “other pilot” this new theory emerged which points that Pakistan has something to hide.
The other evidence this author quotes is not verifiable by people outside government. And in all likelihood both sides will claim win.
Go back and see the news articles and TV News from the archives, you will get all your answers..
I think there is some typo here “Why in the first week of May 2019, did the PAF chiefurgently visit all PAF bases, particularly those housing the F-16 squadrons?” Please rectify.
Very correct Mr Manoj but now you will see these Pakis will again explain your point with Huge set of lies or with some thearetical Dialogues ???
All the F 16s Pakistan uses are accounted for, counted by Pentagon, and andddd PAKISTAN HAS NOT BOUGHT SINGLE F 16 IN THE PREVIOUS MONTH A HALF,
I AM WHY AM I EVEN ON THIS LIARS DEN INDIAN LYING MEDIA,
INDIA MEDIA IS A LIARRR
INDIA PM IS A MAHA LIARRR
Did you read the write up thoroughly or are as dum as your leaders. The Pentagon has categorically denied they having undertaken any count of F16s…
Paki Army are liars
Paki Pm Imron Kaan is a PUPPET
Paki awaam are idiots
@umais, Pentagon had rejected such claim already dear Paki.
Good efforts to cover up lol ? i hope indian are too fool they ll accept this due to influence of bollywood in their minds lol ? everyone knows the reality
First go and ask Gafoor where is the other Pilot???
Pakos are influenced by their third rate lollywood movies of lahore…..foolish pakis lap up the lies and bluffs served to them by their incompetent army…
You guys trying to proof yourself right like a local village fight between to men.
This is digital world. You shootdown a PAF F16 where is its burning stuff?
As Pakistan showed you huge videos etc.
Be realistic into the digital global world.
Look up youtube and you will find your own people shot video showing two parachutes coming down that day…
How foolish you pakis can be. The debris of F16 lies in PoK hidden by your pak army. Why will they display it. Pak armies claims are influenced by the third rate lollywood movies of lahore
nice work of fiction i hope someone buy you work for next bollywood movie
Hopeless comment from hopeless people of hopeless nation. You guys can fall for Gajwa e Hind type shit fantasy, but will not accept truth. You DG ISPR seems to be ex LoLlywood actor. Failed actor.
All you have ifs, wills, woulds and could, tell us about your other plane and pilots, thanks.
100% Accurate analysis with 100% concrete evidences no further explanation is required after this Artical no one should even take notice of these ediot Pakis which will start barking like DOGS that this is wrong or these are Huge lies.
I fully agree with you aMr.Sandeep Ahuluwalia.
Historically also:-
1. Pakistani public came to know of their defeat and 93 Thousand POW Army from BBC. Till last actual status was not given to Pakistani public by Pakistani establishment.
2. In Kargil war they not acknowledged that the involvement of their Northern Light Infantry,and in line with this position refused to accept the bodies of their own soldiers.
3. They never accepted that Kasab was there citizen.
Many more such example are there
Pakistan remains in perpetual mode of denial and reasons are obvious.
Script of a Bollywood movie…wao…the man according to u who hit f16 never come on since we released as peace gesture…if he could hit …he would take mike….other he was looked less indian media like ans bjp person looked bkz abi was well nursed by her moom
A lucid translation in hindi language would be very appreciated. It will help the hindi belt junta understand the reality in a real manner with no jingoism.
One more thing left is that India initially said that Wing Commander Shahaz ud Din was killed in that F-16 who is the son of AVM Waseem ud Din while according to the Asian Times report, AVM Waseem ud Din was reported to have said that he never had a son in PAF. Both his sons are in US and has never flied a plane at all. PAF even requested him to record a video but he refused by saying that he doesn’t want his family to be talked about. And yeah the Balakot locals on record said that no one was killed. A man, who was hit in the head had minor injury. Apart from that, no one was hurt. Even US officials counted the jets and found none missing. Thirdly, Asian Times also reported that PAF wants neutral guys to count the jets themselves to rubbish the IAF false claims.
Are you that dumb? Starting with the fact that ISPR never ever said that anyone in their custody has died. Secondly PM Imran Khan never ever gave the figure of how many pilots are under custody. How can you be so ignorant? You better should listen to his speech again. Thirdly there is no proof given by IAF about shooting down any F-16. Abhinandan jet crashed while his radio signals were jammed by PAF blinder. Fourthly IAF said that the radar signatures by AWACS show that F-16 was used but point to ponder is that there was no AWACS of IAF in the air because the only one in the air was to change the shift and had been grounded as per IAF in their earlier reports. Fifth one is that all four BVR missiles including two R-73 and two R-77 with their seeker heads were found from the wreckage of MiG-21B and they are on display in various reports which means that Abhinandan never fired a missile at all while the minimum distance between an F-16, which were used as a backup when JF-17 successfully hit the target, and Indian jets was 50+ kms. Sixth thing is that many Indian Army posts and ammunition depots were also targeted but IAF in their media talk said that no “significant” damage has been done to us. My other point is that as India initially said that their mirages came inside Pakistani territory somewhere around 80 kms but later the narrative was changed to 5 nautical miles and that Spice-2000 were fired which itself is a Range Extension Kit like the one produced by Pakistan. Why was the narrative changed. Why is not a single figure of the casualties given by India? While your ministers were using figures from 300-450. Everything India claimed has backfired with not a single proof on anything. PAF had the guts to hit India within 24 hours of when they said that we will surprise you and that too in day light. Initially, the engine of MiG-21B was shown to be the engine of F-16. Even a naswar wrapper was shown as proof on Zee News. At last, I have the screenshots of Zee News that two of your jets crashed in Indian occupied Kashmir. They said it was MiG-21 and that both the pilots died. MiG-21 carries one pilot. Similarly, initially Indian media said that Su-30 shot down an F-16 but later they changed narrative. IAF said that Su-30 pilots did a great job by dodging the AIM-120C. Lots and lots of lies by Indian side couldn’t be covered up. A lot more to come because we have more proof on shooting down your Su-30.
Pakistan is always busy lying for everything. Let it be the wars they fought with India, let it be their own crumbling economy or a country full of shitty mujahid terrorists. Secondly you people talking about USA reports of no casualties of F-16 fighter by a Mig 21. Wake up idiots…it’s a USA built fighter jet and news of it getting killed by almost an Era old Mig 21 will kill it’s market and morale of their F-16 pilots as well because now they regret of giving their jets to idiotic Pakistani pilots who didn’t knew how to fly F-16 and got it killed.
And everyone knows the game of good and bad publicity. You know lies don’t have tail.
All four missiles of MIG 21 are with Pakistan that’s also a lie right? Only Indian government speak the truth who disowned their pilot at first and said none of IAF pilot are missing and accepted him as an Indian pilot when his video of being captured went viral
All four missiles of MIG 21 are with Pakistan that’s also a lie right? Indian government who disowned their pilot at first and said none of IAF pilot are missing and accepted him as an Indian pilot when his video of being captured went viral
A rather longish explanation for a single incident.
Fact is India lost a plane shot down over Pakistan and an IAF helicopter was lost to friendly fire on the same day within Indian Occupied Kashmir. Rest is heresy.
But credit to the author who tried to build case to support his version of events. Full marks for effort, zero for accuracy.
There was one pilot that was captured and he flew the Mig21 Bison (Abhinandan) and was handed over several days later to India.
The second pilot that was taken to CMH, died hours later the same day. So now, if PAF had shot down a Sukhoi 30MKI, there would have been not ‘one’ but ‘two’ pilots in their custody as Sukhoi’s have tandem cockpits.
There was only one pilot that was taken to CMH and so therefore the pilot belongs to a fighter plane that was flown by a single pilot. The two fighter jets that was in the dog fight that day was a Mig21 and an F16 evidently as claimed by both sides.
It is now fair to accept that it was therefore not a Sukhoi 30MKI that was shot down.
Well, Pakistan can now say that it was indeed a Sukhoi that was shotdown but the plane and one pilot landed on the Indian side and the second pilot on POK. So if that was the case, assuming that the pilot that died in CMH was the same Indian who flew the Sukhoi and was one among the two pilots that flew the Sukhoi that day and unfortunately landed on the side of POK as claimed by Pakistan, why was the body not returned to India? That should have been the procedure and things would have been much clearer to world.
As for now, we have accounted for the pilot of the Mig but we have not accounted for the pilot that died in CMH.
Please acknowledge and provide the pilot a decent burial with full honour. You should know it’s a shame because that pilot died defending a country. Please own up and take responsibility of the dead at least when they have fought on your side.
If one has to believe this TRUTH revealed by this author, including the electromagnetic signature evidences, the one must believe the claim made by Pakistan as well, that, PAF shot SU30 as well which fell well inside India. And India is hiding this. In that case, scores are 3-1 (mig, suk30 and a helo). Professionalism of IAF is clear that it shot its own bird during all this. If you kick the ball inside your own goal, point goes to the opposite team. Thus making it 3-1 and in this SU30 is far more superior to the F16s. ? ? ? ? ?
Final truth is, Tea is fantastic
Im still ROFLing. I think this author has really been watching and producing too many Bollywood and Hollywood movies.
BTW the author claims that out of the 4 missiles (which ISPR displayed in a tweet), the one on the far right is already fired to destroy the F-16. Seriously, you must be up for an Oscar. So the missile was fired, but somehow the seeker-head remains intact… stupid idiot.
Why is ISPR scaring you so much?
The writer has proved the obvious shoot down of an f`16 by using ultra modern , sophisticated and expansive technologies of phantasy and assumptions.
thanks to the modern day dreaming approach introduced by Indians we know even the meticulous details about the incident like:
– the rear part of doomed jet was hit by missile warhead shock wave
– that thee unfortunate pilot was injured in the upper torso and facial region at the time of ejection
Using the same methodology soon they will easily prove that Pearl Harbor Raids were conducted by IAF and the event will be celebrated in whole of India with PRIDE. Didn’t know the cow urine had intoxicating effect as well.
India’s dad United States already said that none of the F16 are missing and all the missile of MIG 21 are held by Pakistan maybe Pakistan shove all those missile up India’s a*s than Indians might believe Pakistan didn’t lost any fighter jet. Indian terrorist want the world to believe the same shameless and lying Indian government who disowned their pilot and said none of the Indian airforce pilot are missing and only admitted after his pictures went viral being under Pakistan army’s custody and Indian terrorist should just admit the fact that Pakistan airforce shot down two Indian jet(MIG 21 and SU 30) and this absurd claim of shooting down F16 is to safe the face of Indian military who’ve been humiliated and defeated by Pakistan
haha pakistan’s grand father usa refused they never counted f16 it was a fake news by ispr
Indian terrorist state’s dad already said that none of the F16 are missing and all the missile of MIG 21 are held by Pakistan maybe Pakistan shove all those missile up India’s a*s than Indians might believe Pakistan didn’t lost any fighter jet. Indian terrorist want the world to believe the same shameless and lying Indian government who disowned their pilot and said none of the Indian airforce pilot are missing and only admitted after his pictures went viral being under Pakistan army’s custody and Indian terrorist should just admit the fact that Pakistan airforce shot down two Indian jet(MIG 21 and SU 30) and this absurd claim of shooting down F16 is to safe the face of Indian military who’ve been humiliated and defeated by Pakistan
I’m a former F-16 aerodynamicist/design engineer for General Dynamics Fort Worth Division. I worked on the F-16 project going back to the YF-16 prototype through the AFT-16 technology demonstrator..
No aviation professional would be surprised if a PAF fighter-bomber was lost during the recent incursion. Losses are expected during offensive actions over hostile territory, especially since PAF F-16s lack the support aircraft the US and Israel would field. The R-73 is a dangerous missile capable of bringing down any aircraft.
What is surprising, and has rocked IAF to the core, is how poorly its weaponry performed overall. PAF used its superior AMRAAMs to take control of the battle in its critical early seconds. That allowed ground attack group to complete its mission unmolested. The Sukhoi’s R-77s appear to have been of little use. India has recognized this in a surprisingly public manner, and is taking urgent measures to close this missile gap.
That said, the article lacks any primary references needed to authenticate its many claims. At one point it asserts that IAF provided “crystal clear evidence”, but the author fails to point us to that evidence. This leaves the reader is left with no path to verify the claimse. As such, it is just more hearsay, though written with a level of apparent detail that may lend it more authority than its actual content deserves.
One more thing… Orange is a common parachute color. The JF-17’s Martin-Baker parachute has orange panels. Plus, with no way to check the date the photo was taken, it provides no support for the author’s thesis.
Yes there is “crystal clear evidence” of Radar signature , Unless You want Something else You should mention it .Video Available on Yotube – Pak Army first declared Capture of “Two Pilots” & one admitted in hospital … in hurry because They did not realise Second one is from their Own F-16 .. due to communication jamming & Panic of time .
Mig-21 chased F-16 in enemy territory and Shot it down in Pak territory in that chase Mig-21 got hit by Another F-16 , Of-course so most Physical evidence will exists in Pak … not accessible to India .
Pakistan has history of denying Damages ,Its same state which hid Osama Laden for decade , rejected dead bodies of its own soldiers in Kargil war with India. Pakistani text book teaches that It has Won all Wars with India 🙂 . Infarct Richard Clarke Who had lot of experience with Pakistanis & Army …said “Pakistanis are Pathological Liars” , Army has to maintain Image in Pakistan . Its military controlled state .
Contrary – Attacker Side always have advantage of surprise , But PAF failed miserably lost Advance F-16 to Mig-21 . could not Achieve Any object . While Day before India Planes Striked Deep Inside Pakistan without getting detected by PAF . Truth if India had done similar Operation Like Pak as in 24 Fighter Planes …. It would have been apocalyptic day for PAF.
Missiles – India does not have any gap …. It was 24 PAF Planes against 8 Indian fighters . PAF fired multiple AMRAAMs out of Range which could not hit Su-30 … while Indian Pilot hv training of shooting missiles only if its in “effective” range . Firing missiles out of range is useless . But India realised it needs ultra long range missiles such situations .
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Rip sidiqui, the unsung martyr of paf, will always remain hidden bcoz of pak propaganda, and wonder anyone in his family will ever joined the armed forces and for the Foreign Policy journal however you tried to hide the facts i am quite sure your country chance in mmrca2 is over and better asked trump admin. to try to sell f21 to pak instead
great effort its a very good bedtime story i am convinced that sometimes even the smarter ones can be nothing but a monkey that avoids facts and try to come up with lame explanation and you should dig into the matter of the second IAF plane shot down.
Witing essays won’t prove anything. If we leave Pakistani and Indian national media aside and see what rest of the world is saying; it is loud and clear that best we can say is that IAF has not given irrefutable evidence of downing F16 and similarly other circumstantial evidence also deny Indian claims.
It is sheer disapointment to listen such a senior IAF officer with such a weak, unaunthetic and childish evidences with no concreet proofs. His only cry is that PAF used F16s. U ppl need to understand fol:-
1 F16 is our aircraft and no one can stop us from using it.
2 AMRAAM is our missile which is for aireal tgts. U need u accept it that terrorists dont have airforce.
3 Our every bullet, every aircraft and every missile is for u and only u. We will use anything ay our disposal to humble u and teach u a befitting lesson.
4 Dont bring tsunami in a cup. Ur lies wont help u. Accept it that PAF is as professional as any other main line airforce. Its not more than a joke that mig 21 can hit a high tech aircraft like F16. Our pilots are well trained and much professional and any professional pilot knows this thing. U may clearify it from IAF officers.
5 Ask ur airforce why they used mig 21 against more sophisticated Pakistani aircrafts… isnt it a basic logical question?
6 Do u think in a present era of information where every individual is carrying android phone, we can hide 300 dead bodies? If yes… give us a credit for having such a competent institutions and agencies… how can u even think like this that so far no video of mass killings leaked.
7 As per ur govt, they have isolated Pakistan internationally. But european satellites are showing no damage to buildings in Balakot. We have shown u the places where the bombs landed. U think we dug it in the foothills?
8 US saying we have counted F16s and no aircraft has been lost but u are not ready to accept their statements. Hats off to ur understanding of basic things. Btw who got isolated internationally?
9 Proofs looks like wng comd Abhi talking like a parrot cursing his country’s media.
10 Proof looks like debris of aircraft with pak army officer standing next to it with boots on indian flaged tail of aircraft.
11 Proof looks like showing those destroyed pine trees and the broken ground in balakot where ur bombs landed with no house near it. Not like a senior IAF officer and talk like kids.
12 Very soon u will come to know about “the other pilot” also. Let us get over with some back door diplimacy. Just wait and see.
IAF got ambushed. Simple as that. Despite India’s posse of Sukhoi’s, Mirages in the background and Mig’s ahead, PAF formation’s radio jamming led abhi going astray into Pak side (abhi’s wingman chickened out?)
MI-17 is a bigger mystery. Was it taken down for deflection from the kill of Su30 MKI?
IAF has not managed to convince anybody with their Awac drawings- issued 38 days later after getting trumped in broad daylight and that too after the magazine claimed the count of F16’s tallying up. Was IAF content in keeping quiet all these days if they really (really) got a kill shot of an F-16?
PAF locking onto 6 targets in India side, taking down 2 jets and 3 pilots, India claiming they lost 6 IAF personnel in a MI-6 chopper as fratricide (really India?), India missing Balakot targets, Western command reading the situation terribly wrong and getting trumped in broad day light and last but not the least, all of PAFs claim’s adding up that too with evidence provided shows IAF estimated the PAF strategy of ambush + stun and conquer.
And all of this for one megalomaniacs victory. What a tragedy of India and Indians.
It is quite established by credible media and talk show reports that other pilot held by Pakistani authorities is an Israeli pilot who was flying SU 30 aircraft of IAF and was shot down by Wing Comdr. Nauman of PAF. Due to obvious reasons Pakistani and Indian authorities are not making any claims about it. Instead of accepting downing of its other fighter aircraft Indian government and IAF have fabricated a story of lies claiming downing of F 16 of PAF. Lies will always be lies. Indian media and Indian government have already become a laughing stock world over for their lies.
In your dreams …..or your Hindi movie crap
Bangladesh is not Bangladesh it is East Pakistan even today. Earth is flat and hence tread carefully as you approach the edges lest you fall – that’s a typical Paki for you born and reared in denial, given drops of denial instead of Polio Drops.
Correct..!!
These pakis are habitual, perpetual liars..!!!
The whole world knows.
USA has also dissociated with them as discarded garbage..even Iran, Afghan want no ties with them.
Failed state as they have nothing todo except crying…INDIA…INDIA… INDIA…
They r not worthy to even merit a reaction to their anti India rants…..
Why not you Mr.Bird Brain Journalist of India ask permission from your Government to send you along with your Country American Ambassador, with of course a Primary School Slate & a chock in your shivering hands to count down the PAF F-16 Jets at one of our Air Force Base? May this be enough to satisfy your Stupid Media Sherlock Holme’s game of Investigations?
So the author admits that one of the Pakistani F-16 formations engaged Indian Sukhoi Su-30MKI jets (first paragraph after the intro). This vindicates Pakistani claim of having shot down two Indian jets, other being a Su-30. 🙂
This also explains more than one parachutes in the air at the end of the dogfight. In fact, one of the videos, available on social media, shows three parachutes and we know Su-30 is piloted by two personnel.
Also, the author claims that missile impact left the pilot injured “only” on the upper torso and facial region and not on the lower body. How could this possibly happen that shrapnel target only one part of the body and not others. And if he remained in the aircraft until after the impact, how did he manage to eject from an aircraft with a damaged canopy/cockpit afterwards — ejection system must have been damaged by now.
And yes, as has already been mentioned, the ninth photograph in this article was released by ANI on 27 Feb with the caption, “J&K: Pictures of craters formed from Pakistani bombs dropped near Indian Army post in Rajouri sector. Pic courtesy: Army sources)”. How come those Pakistani bombs metamorphosed into aircraft parts and managed to travel across the LOC?
THIS ARTICLE HAS NO SOURCE, NO PICTURES, NO VIDEOS, NOR ANY OTHER FORM OF EVIDENCE. IT IS HATE SPEECH, THE MAIN THING THAT DISRUPTS PEACE. IT IS BASED ON PURE SPECULATION, “It is my suspicion that Squadron Leader…”. MOST OF IT IS MAKING FALSE NONSENSE CONNECTIONS TO PAST EVENTS THAT *MAY* HAVE OCCURRED. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN PICKED FROM AN IMAGINARY WORLD WHERE EVERYTHING THIS WRITER THINKS IS THE BIBLE N WE ALL SHOULD PREACH HIS/HER WORDS. I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH BIAS. THIS ARTICLE REAKS OF IT. THE TITLE ALONE PROVES THIS AUTHOR’S BIAS.
HAVE ALL INDIAN MEDIA OUTLETS FALLEN SO LOW, AS TO SPREAD LIES, CONSPIRACY, HATE SPEECH, ETC.
IF ANYONE WHO READS THIS KNOWS HOW TO REPORT AN ARTICLE HERE, THEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW, I THINK ANY SANE MANAGER OR DIRECTOR WOULD KNOW THAT THIS IS COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE AND IS DEGRADING THE TRUST AND VALUE OF THE OUTPUT OF THIS MEDIA OUTLET.
THANKS
Apna dil khush kar lo jitna karna h yehi reh gaya h krnay kay liyay??
Bin Laden was not in Pakistan … Pakistan won 1971 war … U guys can stay happy with your lies …. No one believes you … Every country condemned Pakistan after Pulwama attack and every one appreciated India for its action … And Foreign Policy news is being provided fake as US state department has clarified that no count has been made yet .
How can u fight a wsr 1000s of miles away with locals brainwashed by India . What happened to u 1965, 1948 , Kargil and most recently at Kashmir . The whole world knows the truth but u guys day dreaming .
Hahahahahhhhhh. Samer Joshi
LMAO…..Indians are heros only in BW movies… Otherwise they have to take support of such Envelope Journalists
If Pak is hiding it then what about US reports. Let’s stop it. Let’s stop fighting.
Pakistan is always busy lying for everything. Let it be the wars they fought with India, let it be their own crumbling economy or a country full of shitty mujahid terrorists. Secondly you people talking about USA reports of no casualties of F-16 fighter by a Mig 21. Wake up idiots…it’s a USA built fighter jet and news of it getting killed by almost an Era old Mig 21 will kill it’s market and morale of their F-16 pilots as well because now they regret of giving their jets to idiotic Pakistani pilots who didn’t knew how to fly F-16 and got it killed.
And everyone knows the game of good and bad publicity.
Where is your evidence…….only radar signatures……hhhhh……what a childish thought
Your question was asked by many when the US report was released. But, please check your facts again. Pakistan also bought some second hand F-16s from Jordan when the arms embargo was imposed by USA soon after 9/11.
Thus, Pakistan can be in possession of an F-16 not sold by USA directly. Secondly, AIM 120 AMRAAM can only be launched on F-16 fighters that Pakistan possesses. Pakistan does not have F-18. No other country has F-22 or F-35 since USA has never sold them to other countries since they are stealth & fifth generation fighters.
I am somewhat of a military buff. Yes, it is a surprise that a MIG-21 shot down an F-16. They are 20 years apart in their development. Even the missiles have different ranges and capabilities.
Once the Indian pilot had the element of surprise, it was easy to close into a comfortable range for his own missile. This mistake here was that if the PAF pilot had continued his retreat, he would have easily outsped the MIG 21 and out of its missile range.
But, the PAF pilot might have been confident since he had the more advanced fighter as well as a longer range missile with active radar tracking (thus making AMRAAM a fire & forget missile). Hence, when he turned to face the MIG-21, he made a mistake because he invariably started reducing the distance between them. Thus, both missiles found their target and both planes went down as a result.
If you remove the element of surprise achieved by the IAF pilot and the decision by the PAF pilot to face him, it would have been impossible for the MIG-21 to down an F-16 at a long range since RF 73 has a range of 30 km while AMRAAM has a BVR (Beyond Visual Range) of 190 km.
U ppl r full of shitt like ur country y u trying so hard to make ppl believe that u r not a lier every time it coming up with something n next moment Ur down n even worst from b4 really ppl like u r the responsible for spreading hatred u ppl r such a loser every time u have been caught from the neck then u cry to Ur Papa USA come n help us u such a disgrace to the nation n to the humanity what u do is bark on couple of buks shame on u at least do have a courage to accept the truth n to tell the truth but y would u if ur not sincere to Ur motherland n to ur ppl then y u care for others Indian media is kinda joke what I hear n see is all barking…
It is very good sign for regional peace and stability that the you Indians remain in a state of denial and celebration and continue efforts to proof something which never happened. If IAF had even 1% proof of an F16 kill, they would not have fired their AOC on the very next morning. Imagine the circumstances (03 aircraft and 08 lives lost)where the top person incharge of the battle zone had to remove his ranks immediately…do you really think that the poor chap deserve this treatment on such a heroic of getting a F16 kill? Beside this, your PM admitting”desh ka bara nuqsaan” is a big testament to the events of 27/2. Please dig in more and continue to fool around…you deserve a pat on back and bigget pay check for your efforts…Bravo
Till today, pak is not acknowledging surgical strike, not acknowledging Balcot terrorist camp demolition. In past too, didn’t acknowledged shelter to Osama. So not surprised, if pak is denying martyerhood to its own pilot.
Abhy nandan is only eye witness of dogfighting, he is with you it’s mean Pakistan has given you the chance to come up with his interview, claiming destruction of F-16. Can you ask your Govt to witness the area across IOK ,where Pakistan claims to have surgical strike. One, Sku,1 MIG 21 and one helicopter destruction is enough damage to be buried.
Pakis are always spoke lies particularly on battlefield. In 1971, before 90,000 POWs were taken by Indian tps, they chest thumbing just 24 hours before that they are in advantage. Also what happened in Kargil? They refused to take the all dead bodies of their soldiers but selectively taken some. So it is not new that Pak is totally destroyed nation. My advise to the common people of pak that put pressure on your govt to shun the terrorism doctrine and join the hands with us to eradicate poverty. We both got indep on same day and see how we progressed economically.
Full masalha story for upcoming bollywood movie…lol….you can get a job in bollywood. We challenge you…dobara aao…or apney Baazu aazmao… Baato se bachey paida nhi hotey…
Dil ko khush rakhne ka ye khayal acha hai???
For sure it takes more than month to fabricate such a story coz all you have shown are images from Pakistan.
Come up with something more convincing. Ask nandoo to hold a press briefing.
Now I know it takes more than a month to Fabricate such writeup…. while truth is instantly visible.
All that you have to publish and Show is the images from Pakistan. Come up with something more credible.
Saari duniya main khilli ud gai tum logon ki.. Bus ab yeh hi Kar saktay ho.. Koi nai khush ho jao khud hi hamary khilaaf article likh k??????????Zara US ka article b parh Lena Bari tareefain hain us main tum sachon ki
Typical bollywood style twisty mirch masala story with lame excuses in order to cover the humiliation faced by IAF. You should rather accept your defeat. IAF lost 2 jets and 1 helicopter with several IAF jawan died on 27 Feb. Plus PAF also targetted on ground. Its a complete failure of Indian arm forces. Pakistan warned a day before and proved it on next day in a day light. If you have a doubt that Sqd Leader Hassan Siddique died that you better watch his video on his return and listen to his leaked phone call on youtube. Please improve the competency of your pilots before sending them on any Modi-venture.
I am surprised by the response received from various contributions received from Pakistan. If Pakistan has suffered no loss, why this vehemence and anger? These fellows are so disturbed by articles written in an Indian online magazine that they venture to cross international barriers and start protesting in an uncivil, abusive and pestilent language. What is the motive? Who in India is bothered about how you respond? . India knows how to handle Pakistan. We have beaten you thrice in the past. This T-20 mini version of air battle has again rattled Pakistanis as their nuclear bluff is called. The Pakistani generals, in spite of their bravado, , will no go near to the nuclear button. This is the reason Pakistanis are angry and write trash in Indian magazines.
People from India do the same on Dawn news Pakistan pages on Facebook. Nothing new bro ?
Who was that unlucky guy who was hospitalised in CMH, whether he in Indian or Pakistan. Where he is now? If PAF has all F-16 intact. The US could match their serial number with the inventory and clarify that whether the plane was given by Jordanian force or US and if it has been shot down? Why ISPR had to change their statement within hours after their claim of shooting down two Indian pilot?
Deep inside all the Pakistanis know that their F-16 was shot down by our MIG-21 Bison, just trying to defend themselves with a set of lies.
Reading this I remembered a famous quote:
“Never debate with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level of mind and then he will defeat you.”
Stop ranting Indians please, the face your army concealed and your Govt. shows is now in front of the world.
USA confirmed no F16 was used to shot down Indian mig21. Grow up please, live in reality, accept your flaws.
Regards,
SBH Jafri
What Pakistan stated was confirmed by pentagon as well as all international media whether it was fake claim of bombing balakot or shoot down of F16. Pakistan even showed all the firearms of Abhinandon’s Mig21 which could not get fired. Last and most important NO CONFIRMATION FROM ABHINANDON TOO and is out of picture. Is Abhinandon on leave or HOUSE ARREST?
I really read article to learn and know if ispr lied to us but in the end i realized the writer knows shit about whole insidend and is just throwing around theories hoping one would. Stick…..damn guyz u r miserable….there is a greatness in accepting when you have lost …we lost in 1971 in kargil but this time you did ….the army of those times is gone…and you should too stop seeing us through that old monocular of yours…and i would like to tell tye writer to see a psychologist coz he/she is in a oblivious state of mind…
This is the worlds best analysis i have read on the issue.
Layer by layer and point by point, the way proofs are explained is excellent. The shooting of F-16 by Mig 21 is beyond doubt.
If anyone still doubt it then either they are direct descendant of Ostrich or Pig ?
Read the US report that says all Pakistani F-16s are intact. You are being fed fake news.
Least one can say that Indians are born liers. They are hell bent to prove they shot down F-26 with the flying coffen even after USA counted all F-16’s are intact with Pakistan.
World is laughing at this idiocracy. One plane killed in Azad Kashmir with pilot saved and other killed alingwith captain went down in Indian occupied Kashmir video clip of both is available showing both killed plane and pilot. Pakistan has shown the intact missiles of Abhinandan’s plane this shows that India used prayers to down F-16 in thier immaginations.
I ask my Pakistani Brothers and sisters not to respond to these idiots as they are not better than Mad Pigs of Hell. They are already made fun of them in whole world and even with sane Indian elements that are many. Modi the terrorist is leading India to the End of state. New Pakistan, Khslistan and Many other countries are about to be created. Kashmir will also be United soon.
IAF pilot fired a single missile which got its target and was hit in return by the AMRAAM from the PAF fighter. So, the rest of the missiles on the MIG-21 will remain intact. Do you even know how many external hardpoints do fighter aircraft have to carry missiles? An F-18 SUPER HORNET has 11 hardpoints.
Even most older fighter aircraft have a minimum of 4 external hardpoints (2 on each wing) with some having another under the fuselage (or underbelly).
Stealth fighters do not have external hardpoints and carry all their weaponry in an internal bay. Weapons are exposed only before launch.
So, there is no mystery that some intact missiles were found at the MIG-21 crash site.
So what did Abhi none done shoot f16 with a slingshot? Because all his missiles have been found intact with the wreckage of his plane ?
Simply, length of ur article says how much panic you are in, in fact the entire Indian media. You people initially said that it will s Wing Cdr. Shehzaad ud din who was killed in action but later on it was blasted as the picture of the pilot u people used himself came forward. Secondly, all four missiles abhinandan had are shown intact, means he didn’t fire a single missile. Thirdly, PAF pilots don’t use white helmets as shown in ur never-ending article. But I’m sure IAF (idiot air force) uses white helmets, ur comments about this ???? Also people of Azad Kashmir are not stupid enough to just kill anyone landing from sky, they would assure themselves befor doing any such thing. Abhinandan asked the people whether he was in India?? People were sharp enough to deceive that idiot guy by acknowledging that, in joy he shouted jay hind and then people pounced upon him. Ur idiot pilot himself revealed his identity. U talked about abhinandan’s face that he suffered Geneva convention violation, I don’t are u really an ignorant and dumb person paid to high for such bullshit or u r just occupied in goblet of jealousy and hatred. Common people don’t know about Geneva convention kind of things, they recognized abhinandan to be an Indian pilot on their soil, and hit him, but Pak amry not only rescued him from that dire situation but also treated him well and eventually let him go back. This is 21st century, u can not prove the downing of F16 by showing just a blurred image which can be edited of course.
I would also like to clarify that Americans don’t need to lie for PAF or F16. In fact, it could have been an opportunity for them to get back from the sale terms by saying that PAF didn’t have enough capability to operate F16 and eventually putting all spare supplies to a halt. But they themselves verify it because if F16 is not shot, then they won’t let anyone use it for their personal interests, secondly F16 played a very best role in current skirmish by shooting down a Su30 by a distance of 45 to 55 Kms. Isarel airforce also got their F16 shot down last year to a Syrian obsolete missile defence, did it affect the sales of F16????? So why this time USA would not accept the downing?? Also now a days USA is ur ally, not particularly ours, and believe me they could have beat the shit out of u people for this false claim but u people are big fat money babes, so they would like to keep good with u too???
It is better you Indian accept the loss of 2nd Su30 instead of proving it as F16 of Pakistan and never finding the way to it
Have you even seen the pictures of a F-16 & a Sukhoi-30? Why don’t you compare their images and see how much difference is there?
There is no way they can be confused with one another. Neither PAF nor IAF have an F-18 which is more similar on external appearance to a Sukhoi 30.
Gahaha idiots indian writer making his nation fool. whare is proofs like Abhi nandan and planes burning in pakistan of indian we are senting your planes in PAF Mesuim you can also come and see.
Just one word “FAKE”.
My Dear Pakistani Friends
Hope this acrimony between India and Pakistan comes to an end some day. But whats most disrurbing is eradication of any proof of existence of Sqn Ldr Hassan Siddqui F16 pilot. The soldier is a soldier and deserve a soldiers respect irrespective of nationality. How can his identity be decimated forever by its own country.? Very shameful. If a country cant own its martyr it can never fight a war leave aside the winning part. Its the time Pak govt realises its mistake and declare Sqn Ldr Hassan Siddqui a national Hero too.
Squadron Leader Hassan Siddiqui is alive and well. Please be careful who and what you believe to be true.
Samir, I give you another dog fight to analyse…
MM Alam shot down 5 endian jets in less then 1 minute……I know you will go to any extent to lie deny this also……..
The 2nd pilot, well I believe you and that pilot master’s already know who he is and where is he from….
You……. what do you think was going on….a sick endian movie… and PAF designed a chute just as identical to your country flag…you are a disgrace to your IAF and endia……
None of Pakistan’s F-16 fighter jets missing after US count: Report
Economic Times – 2 days ago
One of the more stupid article I ever read. Full of empty, unproven theories that lives only in the fantasy of the writer. The reality is one and only one: PAF shoot down an indian Mig 21, and the stupid indians itself shoot down it’s own Mil 17. The IAF is only a “paper tiger”, an air force full of combat aircrafts old as shit or with a disponibility rate under 50%, so impotent and unable that they prefer go for cry to US for to blame the PAF about the F-16’s use than that defend itself. Think to the cows, you guys, and let the war to the men. It’s better.
1:
The ‘smooth finish panel’ is literally the same piece that you showed a photo of which you admitted was confirmed by experts to be part of the mig-21, as can be seen in one of the videos (https://youtu.be/h7xcPfj3H94?t=73).
Why did you only choose to show that specific frame and not the whole video/other frames that confirm that it was indeed the same piece from the mig-21 pictured earlier (https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*k5Lmnq-X4d2TQ635rG9w1Q.jpeg).
2:
The second ‘parachute’ in the video you linked (https://youtu.be/AZ0OMbhLlXM) is burning and falling much faster than the actual parachute, and is clearly the falling aircraft. This was even corroborated by the other source video you used (https://youtu.be/28zkCei4kbI?t=226).
A bit of a joke to use the same source video to mean two separate things in your ‘analysis’. Really sheds light on how weak your arguments are.
3:
Why did you not link the original article from Hindustan Times where they claim to have contacted an anonymous source at the Department of Defense?
The Pentagon/DoD has not given an official/public statement at all. The fact that you claimed this is an outright lie.
I would rather trust a US journalist that has strong links and a history of reporting from the pentagon than an Indian journalist who may well be biased.
To top it all off this Indian journalist from the Hindustan Times couldn’t even get the anonymous official from the DoD to deny that a count took place, only that the particular unnamed official, that they claim to have spoken to, wasn’t aware of it.
4:
The image which you claim to somehow be part of a crashed F-16 (https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*CSREk2VvXF81KDpwzQYVUw.jpeg) is the image of bombs dropped in IOK as widely reported by Indian media itself ( https://twitter.com/ani/status/1100641086790426624?lang=en).
5:
The R-73 missile that you claim was used to shoot down the F-16 can be seen still attached to the body of the downed mig 21 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3iJ3GpWAAIdYdr.jpg:large) and ( https://twitter.com/pafrocks1/status/1114785433551085568)
Also:
You did not provide a link/source of the video/image you claim to have of the F-16 parachute for “ image taken from a Pakistani video grab of a parachute landing”. A source would be appreciated to verify where you got that frame from
Dear Sameer Joshi, very well done. Guys this how you shoot down F16 sitting at your home. It’s like Rajni kant 70 years old still acts as hero with 17 years old heroin, and Indian see his movies with eyes wide open. Similarly Indians will believe this story. Dear Sameer Joshi, can you tell why you sacked your air force chief, answer this and your story is dead. Good day dear Joshi
Please dont make fool to indians with ur stupid analysis which are based on would, could, and other predictive words. Truth always prevails even the third party countries confirmed nothing happen to F-16 close ur drama.
Paf knew. Their pilot was missing. So why was imran confused about count of pilots.
They had to suppress that info initially because of the chance he was alive in Indian territory.
Pakistan also bought some second hand junk f 16 from Jordan in 2014. So some paid house may have conveniently counted one of those fighters. The last few weeks were spent by PAF doing all this jugaar. As for outdated MiG shooting down a f16. Don’t forget our very small outdated GNAT filter had shot down paki sabre jets before and older battle tanks had destroyed Pakistani Patton tanks before. Pakistan is a failed state, beggars waiting to become a Chinese colony in the coming decades. Imran Khan was a good cricketer but see how Pakistan is planning a hit wicket . Can’t you fools see that. Work hard and save your country by economic progress, China is a bigger threat to you than India. And if it comes to that Baluchistan is waiting to be another Bangladesh. In few years Bangladesh will become a bigger economy than Pakistan and if Baluchistan separates it will be a wealthier nation than Pakistan in no time.
Pakistan Never speak truth about their activities. Whole world know s what Pakistan said about Binladen. One of the worst country of liers as rulers on earth. Better they should compare themselves in development with other countries.
Ok let’s suppose that the story told by indians is true then I have few questions from indians. Hope they would argue sensibly.
1st. Why the Western air command chief is given force retirement after PAF’s action??
2nd. Why mr abhinandan’s wingman who shot down mi17 in a friendly fire is being court marshalled??
Modi kye paltu kuto pls do journalism not ass licking
You should be eye openers not liers
Being a common man i dont want to know who killed whom is it MIG or F16. Matter is where the country is heading have decreased corruption no.
Have we asked the Govt what they have done in last 70 years
Look at the other countries they have reached heights of sucess and are progressing.
I think our journalism have failed and become puppet
Stop acting you Pakistani buffoons. Accept what you witnessed. That’s all you have to do. All the evidences are not cooked up stories. You buffalos are illiterates that why you don’t understand what is written. These evidences are enough to prove that you have used F-16’s in the dog fight. If you want see more evidence just cross the LOC IAF will show you.
@Ganesh KS… Bhai aap chill krein, you Are simply MODI-fied.. Trolled.. Hahaha.. Indian Airforce lost 06 Aircrafts in February 2019 alone, 02 MiGs, 01 SU-30, 01 Heli, 01 Jaguar.. So much for our gutsy Airforce.. Lolx..
3 points for sure is
1. Pakis buy whatever they have by selling Sharif’s buffaloes and hard bargain and finally end up giving count to other countries.
2. Country full of illeterate fools who beat their own pilot to death.
3. Doesn’t matter how good a aircraft you give them they still ride it like a Bullock cart.
The day after Indian pilot Abinandan was captured an idiot had given an interview of how they tricked him telling he was in India and he ended up raising patriotic slogans and how these idiots apprehended him. Even at the time of interview the idiot didn’t recognise that he was the one who tricked for giving away the truth by raising patriotic slogans.
All said and done hope you guys get some loan from IMF. How many days can you run a country selling buffaloes?
I pick a lot of holes in your fantasy story but when my really caught my eye, firstly u my to great lengths to describe how PAF pilot was killed but then said that Hasan Siddique might be the pilot shot down by Abhinandan. So then how come he is alive? And his video from return of mission was uploaded same day not by ISPR but by another user. It is not released later, it was few hours after the engagement.
BTW, u show R73 seeker as a fact about Mig21 kill but remain mum on blown up piece of AMRAAM missile Ur cheif was carrying in press conference? Care to explain what does that mean. AMRAAM’S don’t blow up on falling on ground. They blow up when they hit their target.
With due respect, on your second injunction, your own military claimed they didn’t hit any military bases of India as (apparently) they weren’t the target. So what target do you speak of?
@Taimur, Please use your grey cells, if you have them … and the biggest hole in PAK story is the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke dear sharp guys
These Indians have a habit of coming to these forums without doing proper home work.
The embarrassment in your tv talk shows of presenting a Mig engine as that of an F16, was witnessed by the whole world !!
All missiles (R73, R77, AIM-9 or AMRAAM) have a time delay fuse in addition to proximity fuse. Once they are fired, there is a specific amount of time within which the missile has to find its target and detonate the warhead with the proximity fuse. If the missile loses track of the target, it flies till its rocket motor runs out and then the time delay fuse kicks and explodes the warhead. The ISPR image shows three missiles with intact warhead section and that indicates that none of those missiles were fired. The fourth missile (R73) has no warhead and that indicates that it was fired because:
1. The warhead is the heaviest and densest part of a missile. In the event of a crash, the force of the crash causes the missile to detach itself from the wing pylons and the crash will either bury the missile a few inches into the earth or throw it a few feet away from the wreckage. In either case, the warhead will survive intact. Even if the missing R73 warhead had burned/ exploded during the crash, it would have caused visible destruction at the wreckage site and scattered the fuselage sections further apart. But, the fuselage appears largely intact.
2. When a missile is fired, it approaches the target at hypersonic speeds just before detonation. When the warhead explodes, it detaches the seeker section that is ahead of the warhead. The seeker part continues to fly at hypersonic speed and will almost always escape the warhead detonation without any major damage. So, recovery of seeker is not evidence enough to claim that R73 was not fired.
What caught my eye is that your Gafoor goofs up a lot or lets put it this way he is a habitual goofer… ???
Anyone who knows the basic mechanism & physics of air to air missile can understand how AMRAAM pieces are found on the ground. You can refer to any defence journal or even Wikipedia for that matter. Both R73 Vympel & the AIM 120 AMRAAM are explosive missiles with proximity fuses i.e they are not hit to kill missiles. That means they do not actually hit the target. That happens in very old missiles.
Proximity fuse missiles detonate at a predestined distance before reaching the target which is set by the pilot before launch. Once launched and the proximity distance to target is attached, the missile detonates itself near to the target. It is the explosive forces and the missile shrapnel travelling at that speed that tear through the aircraft and damage it.
Usually when the missile exploding behind the target, it disables the engines and if fuel tank is ruptured, then there will be a huge explosion. In a frontal attack, all the shrapnel will tear through the cockpit severely injuring the pilot.
Thus, the missiles that has blown in mid air will have its pieces falling to the ground. Much of the recovered material is usually the shell casing and the propeller & fin components, not the forward portion of the missile which bears the brunt of the explosion.
By the way, if the PAF pilot mentioned is still alive, why has he not made any more appearances. If he was allowed so soon after the event (before even debriefing), then he would already be a celebrity in Pakistan and would have made more appearances.
How much has been given to writer by the Indian govt to lie and fool their citizens. What the Indian establishment is doing is to make the whole country satisfying in illusions and keep the ground reality at bay
@Ali, you need not expect the same coins everywhere like your country, your Govt is known to the entire world for their quality (or lack of it) for hiding truth, misguiding propaganda and denying recognition of their own 1000’s of died in combat soldiers in Kargil & denying their last rites.
Please use your grey cells, if you have them to save your country from these propaganda of lies and deceiving … and the biggest hole in PAK story is the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke dear sharp guys
You country kept the reality from you about Kargil war and your army involvement for 11 years only to admit it in 2010..
To all pokis , try to earn some bread and butter for you and your country , talking F 16 and Mig 21 is worthless with beggar’ s bowl in your hand.
We are in a very good state as far as basic necessities are concerned unlike poor population of your country who still don’t have toilets in 20th century. Your writer is assuming many things but first I like to mention here that international media not only reporting that PAF didn’t lose any aircraft but also that no camps were distroyed on 26th February. So your poor writer forgot to shed some light on that aspect as well.
Ask your silly PM not to wish for war because it will bring distruction on a very large scale. I know your media and government are putting so many efforts these days for face saving of what happend on 26th and 27th of February. Believe in peace and be a good neighbor
Look whos talking first you get toilets for you overpopulated country then think to buy rafale?
US and Pakistan have strong motives to deny that F16 was shot down by an ageing Soviet MiG 21. For US such admission would damage the brand value of F16 fighter. Pakistan would like its benefactor US to believe that it never deployed their F16 to combat Indian Air Force. The narrative that IAFs MiG21 has shot down their F16 would expose their lie.
The domestic stakeholders in India also like to believe Pakistan version, because accepting the Indian version would mean conceding a lot of political advantage to Modi during the election campaign.
Dear Mr. Samir Joshi,
Went through your, never ending article and wonder if the average Indian can even understand or digest your in depth analysis !!
Just one query and we all would like you to answer it. Forget the colorful parachutes, PAF and its pilots discard their White Helmets years and years ago with the standard Gray Helmets on F-16,JF-17, Mirages, F7PG and K8.
Any eye witness account claiming to see a Gray Helmet desecding that day because if it were All Whites, then its your Su-30 and Mirage or Mig pilots !!!
We await your reply.
Regards
@sajid, Forget your raised issue for a moment, but the biggest hole in PAK story is the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke dear sharp guys. Once you can clarify this issue, we can come back to the issue of helmets, if you wish !!!
@ Zinat Assuming the other pilot is of Israeli origin, why their isnt any denial from Israeli Air Force and why your Govt is tight lipped on the issue ??
As for the Gray / White helmets, its a genuine point and you know it well. PAF stopped using Whites 15-20 years ago. Google IAF web sites, and your pilots can be seen carrying or wearing and now descending in it. WHITES
If so then why does not your Gafoor disclose the identity of the second pilot that was in your custody???
The Pentagon has denied that any such counting of F16 was undertaken by it as claimed by the Pak Army. This shows the depth to which the Pak Army can fall. Lies and deceit is all that has been fed to the pakistanis by their disgraceful Army. Indian Army and its soldiers are way ahead of their paki counterparts in terms of training they receive and the valour and bravery they display in the battlefield. Paki Army is capable of only committing genocides – against Bangladeshis before their liberation and now against the Occupied Balochistan
I am a common man and don’t know much about the technicalities , but as per my understanding, as America has given F-16 to Pakistan for some specific reasons, they would have all rights to do the audit and check whether all their plains are safe..
Nice joke by IAF. Is MIG capable of shooting down F-16? But F-16 was not used. No Physical evidences are there of shooting down if Any PAF jet. Keep making fool to Indian Nation
@Khawar, what a sharp guy you are … hahaha … all the ARAAM missile parts (fireable only from F16 only in Pakistan), which were put on display were bluffs … hahaha, all the eletrocic signatures of 12 nos of fleets of F16, JKLF17 & Mirage III recorded by Indian recording system were wrong … hahaha, seems only you know what the truth is …. haha, please look out for a oker’s job, if you have a circus company in Pakistan … hahaha
You cannot always Fool innocent, Poor Indians with your Lies, Bogus fictional stories, This article should be given an award for Best Idiotic Comedy.. We Indians will never believe your Lies, We lost the Skirmish, and we must accept Defeat.. Pathetic planning by our Indian Airforce. Atleast for heavens sake, START Telling Truth now..
You are another idiot paki trying to pose as an Indian ….this is the problem with you and your army….lies and deceit …
Grow up kid please, live in reality!
The way you can’t fool with your name ‘Juliet Foxtrot Seventeen’ .
Any number of hoors assured in pak for pretending to be Christian??
Dear pakistani fox, surely pakistan are infamous in the entire world for their lies, bluffs and deceits, example: mass killing of millions of muslim and non muslim men and gang raping 1000”’s of Hindu women by their indisciplined rogue Army, invading Kargil without declaring war, becoming the hub of terrorism in Asia … so, no-one believes you dear, sorry.
Pooh !! Try better next time !
Which aircraft was shooted who ejected the whole world observed that and in theories you can prove any thing however One thing is clear PAF outclass IAF.
The world knows it….dont worry….time will expose your army, just as it did after Kargil, and after the 1971 Bangladesh Liberation War.. ..it left your shameless army red faced. Till then you live in fools paradise
Very detailed , a great script to create a new #bollywoodmovie as like surgical strike….
keep living in fools world and very good to have some mental satisfaction as it has been almost now a month #IndianMedia, indiandigitalmedia , IAF screaming hard to prove it on paper …..
On this effort I say you had shot our “two” planes… Be high… May b your IAF and Blogging teams along #nation get satisfied
With quotation for your media & IAF & Blogging teams
Let the Fools remain Fool …. 🙂
We will assure that I have next time better counts … 😉
In fact IAF shot “three” wawoo clapping third one was just clinched the smoke of the missile launched by capt shot down 😉
Be happy …..
Dear Einstein @Waqas, be happy with the variation of happenenings in Pak govt version, if you want, however, cannot evade your responsibility to properly explain the story of the missing 2nd pilot, whom the media, the Govt, all have missed and could not identify from inside their own country … what a joke
Good effort
But America telling a lie? And the website who posted that PAF F-16 are in complete numbers and none of them are missed how you rectify it…
And also your analysis is not impartial you are Indian and you always support you country. You never post any thing against your country different other websites also took analysis of this incident and they said no PAF F-16 was shot down they were foreginers and they did impartial analysis not in the interest of the country like you.
Dear @Anonymous, sweet dear, do not know your name, afraid to print it ??? Why dear ??? Why so much afraid ??? After Balakot air strike ??? You may be sad to know that Pentagon, America has already refused to be a part of such counting story sweetheart … Happy now ???? Your F16 is shot down as IAF had told you already, Be prepared to that version of TRUTH, to which, Pak is not at all accustomed even after 1972 B’Desh and 1995 Kargil, very sad.
Another dumb Indian.
@haha, Joker paki
Crazy article, nonsense….
Dear @ Abdul, Are you sure to be a non sense by generation Abdul ??? hahaha
You people always talks about fictions, making your innocent people fool and have zero knowledge of air combat and weapon you shitless writter do know what proximty fuze is? Do know what a warhead with 7 to 8 kg of missil is? And that to hitting front side of an aircraft it will make the aircraft to broke in to pices and pilot will be un able even to eject, first learn about the air combat and weaponry than write this kind of nonsens to your foolish people, every thing is not bollywood or tollywood. Accept your defeat with open heart the histroy will remember 27 feb.
@Irfan. It will really help if you argue correctly and quote lines which is being misquoted.
1) “Secondly PM Imran Khan never ever gave the figure of how many pilots are under custody.” Imran mentioned “pilots”, listen to his speech again.
2) ” Starting with the fact that ISPR never ever said that anyone in their custody has died. “. Which line in this article mentions that ISPR claimed one pilot has died? There is no such line in this article. Perhaps I am missing.
3) “many Indian Army posts and ammunition depots were also targeted” . Even Pakistan never claimed it officially. Also can you define many?
4) US has clarified no such check of F-16 were done.
5) About the point of locals Ajmal Kasab’s presence were even denied by locals later on. So less is said about locals or never.
The principal argument this article gives is ISPR’s change of narrative from 2 pilot to 1 pilot in their custody. 1 pilot being in hospital. We don’t know what happened to that pilot don’t we. That is challenging Pakistan’s narrative which is not going to go away. In a democracy media should ask and I am hoping you would ask that question.
Also timing looks suspicious when Pakistani media started questioning about “other pilot” this new theory emerged which points that Pakistan has something to hide.
The other evidence this author quotes is not verifiable by people outside government. And in all likelihood both sides will claim win.
Go back and see the news articles and TV News from the archives, you will get all your answers..
I think there is some typo here “Why in the first week of May 2019, did the PAF chiefurgently visit all PAF bases, particularly those housing the F-16 squadrons?” Please rectify.
Very correct Mr Manoj but now you will see these Pakis will again explain your point with Huge set of lies or with some thearetical Dialogues ???
All the F 16s Pakistan uses are accounted for, counted by Pentagon, and andddd PAKISTAN HAS NOT BOUGHT SINGLE F 16 IN THE PREVIOUS MONTH A HALF,
I AM WHY AM I EVEN ON THIS LIARS DEN INDIAN LYING MEDIA,
INDIA MEDIA IS A LIARRR
INDIA PM IS A MAHA LIARRR
Did you read the write up thoroughly or are as dum as your leaders. The Pentagon has categorically denied they having undertaken any count of F16s…
Paki Army are liars
Paki Pm Imron Kaan is a PUPPET
Paki awaam are idiots
@umais, Pentagon had rejected such claim already dear Paki.
Good efforts to cover up lol ? i hope indian are too fool they ll accept this due to influence of bollywood in their minds lol ? everyone knows the reality
First go and ask Gafoor where is the other Pilot???
Pakos are influenced by their third rate lollywood movies of lahore…..foolish pakis lap up the lies and bluffs served to them by their incompetent army…
You guys trying to proof yourself right like a local village fight between to men.
This is digital world. You shootdown a PAF F16 where is its burning stuff?
As Pakistan showed you huge videos etc.
Be realistic into the digital global world.
Look up youtube and you will find your own people shot video showing two parachutes coming down that day…
How foolish you pakis can be. The debris of F16 lies in PoK hidden by your pak army. Why will they display it. Pak armies claims are influenced by the third rate lollywood movies of lahore
nice work of fiction i hope someone buy you work for next bollywood movie
Hopeless comment from hopeless people of hopeless nation. You guys can fall for Gajwa e Hind type shit fantasy, but will not accept truth. You DG ISPR seems to be ex LoLlywood actor. Failed actor.
All you have ifs, wills, woulds and could, tell us about your other plane and pilots, thanks.
100% Accurate analysis with 100% concrete evidences no further explanation is required after this Artical no one should even take notice of these ediot Pakis which will start barking like DOGS that this is wrong or these are Huge lies.
I fully agree with you aMr.Sandeep Ahuluwalia.
Historically also:-
1. Pakistani public came to know of their defeat and 93 Thousand POW Army from BBC. Till last actual status was not given to Pakistani public by Pakistani establishment.
2. In Kargil war they not acknowledged that the involvement of their Northern Light Infantry,and in line with this position refused to accept the bodies of their own soldiers.
3. They never accepted that Kasab was there citizen.
Many more such example are there
Pakistan remains in perpetual mode of denial and reasons are obvious.
Psycho Nation…..misleading poor people….
Script of a Bollywood movie…wao…the man according to u who hit f16 never come on since we released as peace gesture…if he could hit …he would take mike….other he was looked less indian media like ans bjp person looked bkz abi was well nursed by her moom
A lucid translation in hindi language would be very appreciated. It will help the hindi belt junta understand the reality in a real manner with no jingoism.
One more thing left is that India initially said that Wing Commander Shahaz ud Din was killed in that F-16 who is the son of AVM Waseem ud Din while according to the Asian Times report, AVM Waseem ud Din was reported to have said that he never had a son in PAF. Both his sons are in US and has never flied a plane at all. PAF even requested him to record a video but he refused by saying that he doesn’t want his family to be talked about. And yeah the Balakot locals on record said that no one was killed. A man, who was hit in the head had minor injury. Apart from that, no one was hurt. Even US officials counted the jets and found none missing. Thirdly, Asian Times also reported that PAF wants neutral guys to count the jets themselves to rubbish the IAF false claims.
Are you that dumb? Starting with the fact that ISPR never ever said that anyone in their custody has died. Secondly PM Imran Khan never ever gave the figure of how many pilots are under custody. How can you be so ignorant? You better should listen to his speech again. Thirdly there is no proof given by IAF about shooting down any F-16. Abhinandan jet crashed while his radio signals were jammed by PAF blinder. Fourthly IAF said that the radar signatures by AWACS show that F-16 was used but point to ponder is that there was no AWACS of IAF in the air because the only one in the air was to change the shift and had been grounded as per IAF in their earlier reports. Fifth one is that all four BVR missiles including two R-73 and two R-77 with their seeker heads were found from the wreckage of MiG-21B and they are on display in various reports which means that Abhinandan never fired a missile at all while the minimum distance between an F-16, which were used as a backup when JF-17 successfully hit the target, and Indian jets was 50+ kms. Sixth thing is that many Indian Army posts and ammunition depots were also targeted but IAF in their media talk said that no “significant” damage has been done to us. My other point is that as India initially said that their mirages came inside Pakistani territory somewhere around 80 kms but later the narrative was changed to 5 nautical miles and that Spice-2000 were fired which itself is a Range Extension Kit like the one produced by Pakistan. Why was the narrative changed. Why is not a single figure of the casualties given by India? While your ministers were using figures from 300-450. Everything India claimed has backfired with not a single proof on anything. PAF had the guts to hit India within 24 hours of when they said that we will surprise you and that too in day light. Initially, the engine of MiG-21B was shown to be the engine of F-16. Even a naswar wrapper was shown as proof on Zee News. At last, I have the screenshots of Zee News that two of your jets crashed in Indian occupied Kashmir. They said it was MiG-21 and that both the pilots died. MiG-21 carries one pilot. Similarly, initially Indian media said that Su-30 shot down an F-16 but later they changed narrative. IAF said that Su-30 pilots did a great job by dodging the AIM-120C. Lots and lots of lies by Indian side couldn’t be covered up. A lot more to come because we have more proof on shooting down your Su-30.
Pakistan is always busy lying for everything. Let it be the wars they fought with India, let it be their own crumbling economy or a country full of shitty mujahid terrorists. Secondly you people talking about USA reports of no casualties of F-16 fighter by a Mig 21. Wake up idiots…it’s a USA built fighter jet and news of it getting killed by almost an Era old Mig 21 will kill it’s market and morale of their F-16 pilots as well because now they regret of giving their jets to idiotic Pakistani pilots who didn’t knew how to fly F-16 and got it killed.
And everyone knows the game of good and bad publicity. You know lies don’t have tail.
All four missiles of MIG 21 are with Pakistan that’s also a lie right? Only Indian government speak the truth who disowned their pilot at first and said none of IAF pilot are missing and accepted him as an Indian pilot when his video of being captured went viral
All four missiles of MIG 21 are with Pakistan that’s also a lie right? Indian government who disowned their pilot at first and said none of IAF pilot are missing and accepted him as an Indian pilot when his video of being captured went viral