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He is morbidly obese. That’s a fact. And it was stated in the context of taking a medication that can be risky for people with existing health problems. Being obese is an existing health problem. You’re making an inference that Pelosi had derogatory intent without any evidence.
He is NOT morbidly obese. That’s the REAL fact. He is just barely over the line from overweight to obese. Individuals have to be much fatter than that to be medically classified as “morbidly obese”. At the very least, Nancy Pelosi was factually incorrect.
However, her statement is being used for fat shaming, even if she did not intend it that way. Leftists make all sorts of comments about how fat people must be Trump supporters all the time. That is most definitely bigotry AND counterproductive. It makes it clear to fat people that they are not welcome in the Democratic party and should vote for Trump.
Difference between right-wing idiots and those of us who are Thinking Americans: Thinking Americans trust science, revere art, revere human life, believe in equality, and aren’t petty. Right-wing idiots are the exact opposite. You can add they are hypocrites, too.
Just another bigoted remark frim a holier than thou LIBERAL. Keep watching CNN and Schiff. Love in your bubble of lies and you will continue to believe you are better than everyone else and you excrement doesn’t stibk.
“Pelosi probably didn’t intend to call Trump “morbidly obese”, but it just slipped out.”
May be Nancy Pelosi, Andrew Yang and others who indulged in fat-shaming, didn’t know that they could be accused of bigotry. May be they weren’t aware of the study conducted by psychologists at McGill University.that you have mentioned.
I would argue against the view that calling out overweight is always wrong. I think some degree of being discomforted by societal views on choices that are relatively free, sets a good incentive for people to come out of their bad choices.
There is a spectrum to actions attributed to individuals. Some are completely out of a person’s control and some are. This illusion of free-will is what informs all our justice system. For example, in a murder courts often attribute murder to the individual,as long as it is unintentional or the person is not mentally challenged. But in cases where people are handicapped (say dis functioning legs) a sane society won’t attribute their perceived shortcomings to lack of effort.
So this matter is extremely grey, not black and white (calling out people for there actions is always correct/wrong). So how do we draw the line?
I think we can apply the heuristic that, if there are considerable number of people who can come out of something through their effort then we as a society label that activity as something attributable or in the domain of free-will.
So, does being obese come under this? One would have to be irrational to claim obesity is exactly like physical handicaps like blindness. No matter the effort of blind person, they can’t will themselves to see. But there are plenty of examples of individuals that have come out of obesity.
So normalizing obesity completely by asking society to not see it as a shortcoming removes one incentive to be healthy. Societal incentives often play a role in many things.
And finally, this obsession with protecting individuals from any kind of criticism is taking thing too far. Completely loosing site of progress by playing identity politics.
Fatness is NOT a “free choice”. Many people starve themselves to death to try to look thin. Others stuff their faces on junk and never gain a pound. Shame on you.
He is morbidly obese. That’s a fact. And it was stated in the context of taking a medication that can be risky for people with existing health problems. Being obese is an existing health problem. You’re making an inference that Pelosi had derogatory intent without any evidence.
He is NOT morbidly obese. That’s the REAL fact. He is just barely over the line from overweight to obese. Individuals have to be much fatter than that to be medically classified as “morbidly obese”. At the very least, Nancy Pelosi was factually incorrect.
However, her statement is being used for fat shaming, even if she did not intend it that way. Leftists make all sorts of comments about how fat people must be Trump supporters all the time. That is most definitely bigotry AND counterproductive. It makes it clear to fat people that they are not welcome in the Democratic party and should vote for Trump.
Difference between right-wing idiots and those of us who are Thinking Americans: Thinking Americans trust science, revere art, revere human life, believe in equality, and aren’t petty. Right-wing idiots are the exact opposite. You can add they are hypocrites, too.
Just another bigoted remark frim a holier than thou LIBERAL. Keep watching CNN and Schiff. Love in your bubble of lies and you will continue to believe you are better than everyone else and you excrement doesn’t stibk.
“Pelosi probably didn’t intend to call Trump “morbidly obese”, but it just slipped out.”
Yeah, right.
May be Nancy Pelosi, Andrew Yang and others who indulged in fat-shaming, didn’t know that they could be accused of bigotry. May be they weren’t aware of the study conducted by psychologists at McGill University.that you have mentioned.
I would argue against the view that calling out overweight is always wrong. I think some degree of being discomforted by societal views on choices that are relatively free, sets a good incentive for people to come out of their bad choices.
There is a spectrum to actions attributed to individuals. Some are completely out of a person’s control and some are. This illusion of free-will is what informs all our justice system. For example, in a murder courts often attribute murder to the individual,as long as it is unintentional or the person is not mentally challenged. But in cases where people are handicapped (say dis functioning legs) a sane society won’t attribute their perceived shortcomings to lack of effort.
So this matter is extremely grey, not black and white (calling out people for there actions is always correct/wrong). So how do we draw the line?
I think we can apply the heuristic that, if there are considerable number of people who can come out of something through their effort then we as a society label that activity as something attributable or in the domain of free-will.
So, does being obese come under this? One would have to be irrational to claim obesity is exactly like physical handicaps like blindness. No matter the effort of blind person, they can’t will themselves to see. But there are plenty of examples of individuals that have come out of obesity.
So normalizing obesity completely by asking society to not see it as a shortcoming removes one incentive to be healthy. Societal incentives often play a role in many things.
And finally, this obsession with protecting individuals from any kind of criticism is taking thing too far. Completely loosing site of progress by playing identity politics.
Fatness is NOT a “free choice”. Many people starve themselves to death to try to look thin. Others stuff their faces on junk and never gain a pound. Shame on you.