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Are you living in India or in outer space? How dare you call India secular?? There are HUGE differences between how the state treats Hindu families, Hindu temples, Hindu schools (etc.) and how it treats Muslim equivalents. ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS OR NOT ??? Tell me how India can claim to be secular!! Shut your mouth until you have made India secular.
The reason for the astounding rise of BJP under Modi is that Hindus figured out that Nehru and his progeny were selling them short down the drain.. in order to appease Muslims and claim Muslim votes. Naturally it made tham angry.
The irony is that the quotes that Vij cites actually counter his views. He quotes Nehru speaking against separate nations within a country, but that’s exactly what we have been doing with separate religious laws and 370 – creating many nations. Next, it is a blatant lie that India is a secular country. A country with different religious laws can, by definition, NOT be a secular country. Lastly, in the name of fraudulent secularism, what Congress actually did was to empower all minorities to propagate their religions, but severely handicap Hindus from doing the same, which could rightly be termed as cultural genocide against Hindus. Hindus are finally waking up to this monumental fraud against them. Congress and communist parties, which perpetrated this crime, will be decimated, along with hacks like Vij.
”When Bengali Muslims in Assam” These Bengali Muslims in Assam, West Bengal and elsewhere in India are Bangladeshi Muslims and illegal. Today Kashmiri Muslims are worried about demographic changes but the same is happening elsewhere in India by Bangladeshi Muslims. If the author wishes India s to be quiet in the name of secularism, we do not want secularism. After all, India was divided on religion.
India is a secular country because Indian Hindus, who constitute the majority, and therefore have a proportional impact upon the political ethos, have created and defended a Constitution that is a remarkable triumph of reason over the temptations of sectarian passion. India is secular not because Muslims need it, but because Hindus want it. MJAKBAR
The 1947 partition was based on the principle espoused by Jinnah that national identity should be based on religious identity. Is the BJP/RSS finally agreeing with Jinnah?
Shivam, show me one non-Muslim-majority nation in which Muslims are nationalistic.
Unfortunately enough,in India secularism means anti-Hindu/Hinduism.The more the Hindu hatred,the more the secularism. The writer also trying to glorify Congress leaders,their regime as if they were golden ages of post-independence India.But it is clear to all like broad daylight that who had been the root causes of the division of India,death of numerous innocent people,communal riots,upsurgence of terrorism,backwardness of India and many other problems.Though I am neither a member nor a blind supporter of any political party,yet as an ordinary Indian at least can realise that which govt. works better for the country.Some so -called liberals,intellectuals,journalists,writers,media etc are desparately trying to mislead people.But the Indian electors are not fool. They will thwart all sorts of misdeeds to destabilise the country.
If my writing/comment seems nor moderate,then no need to publish it.
No, you are a typical, timid Hindu.
Compare that to the Muslims. They inflict all type of violence and discrimination on non-Muslims, and without blinking their eyes say Islam is religion of peace.
Muslims live for Islam.
Other people not so.
Absolute rubbish. What legitimate right do muslims have to secularism in India after they demanded division of India on a communal religious basis and got two islamic states created out out of India ? Yes secularism for all others in India but certainly not for muslims.
The talk about secularism and showing the photos of only muslims. Which means only muslims are followers of secularism and as they are peaceful and tolerant toward all other religions. They have lived peacefully for the past 500 years in India and no violence against any other communities. They are so affectionate to others that everybody loved muslims and no one hated each other. Vij, we need you. This will ensure that BJP will win elections hands down. Your contribution to Hindu society is highly appreciated like Mani Shankar Iyer, Arundati Roy, Shabana Azmi and a bunch of congress and commies. So long they are there, we are in safe hands of Modi.
After you have read half a dozen articles of his, Mr. SunderV you will expect nothing different from Monsieur Vij. His obstinacy doesn’t let him be objective. NDA Govt. can’t be always right but this esteemed writer can only sing one tune – inventing faults. We need constructive critics not obsessed advisors like him. Anyway, best wishes to him.
Secularism has already been saved by people voting for Modi. The self labelled securists promoting ant-Hindu narratives like this author are slowly dying in the trap they have laid down for themselves. After next few generations I am expecting total clean up of labelled secularists from India.
Hi
I am rooting for independence,
I have given up, appeasement of the Bhakt Hindu and calling for a united secular nation, it’s just not working.
We Muslims some of us have a better idea.
A strong independent Muslim country for the second largest Muslim population in the world, India’s 175 million Muslims.
They the RSS do not wish to live with us, the Hindus overwhelming voted for the RSS Pracharak.
That’s perfectly fine INDIA is supposed to be a democracy you are entitled to who you elect and your views, the counter movement amongst 175 million Muslims is growing, separation, we must part, this must be the slogan.
Stopping such a huge Muslim population is not going to be a cakewalk, after all we are not Kashmir.
We are not organised but we get stronger and more united, by your attitude.
We will call it over movement Jihad for independence
Our land will be New India, it will consist of the fertile parts of the Indo gangetic plain, himachal, uttarkhand,, the northern part of uttar pardesh, the north part of Bihar. It will stretch from Jummu to Bengal. With Pakistan on one side and Bangladesh on the other.
You Hindus can have everything south of the Ganga River. You can take your cows with you, as compensation.
So you communal guys, it’s slowly beginning to dawn that if you really don’t want Muslims, we must part company.
Remember we are not a timid people, with our Jihad , you may wish secularism was back.
REALLY? HOOO I am soooo scared. You will wish you never said such a thing
“Secularism” as it is known is not practiced anywhere else in the world. Secularism means separation of state and religion. That’s it. In the US, they take oath on the Bible. And say USA is a Christian country. Even though they invaded the land just 500 years ago and ethnic cleansed native Americans.
Whereas we have lived in this country for 1000s of years, but if any one points out this is after all Hindu country that has been invaded and ravaged and pillaged into something else we are accused of not being tolerant.
Oxford dictionary definition of secularism is, “an opposition to, or rejection of religion” which would also mean separation of state and religion. The president of America could be very religious as an individual, but when he is acting as the president, he should act in a secular manner. The president-elect takes oath on bible as an individual. He doesn’t have to take oath on a bible, if he is an atheist.. It is the state that has to be secular, and not an individual. In Britain, the queen is head of the Anglican church, but for all practical purposes they observe secularism.
Yes, Americans like to say they are a Christian nation, and they also cleansed native Americans. And there was slavery also. But then they have admitted all their crimes! They not only fought a bloody civil war to get rid of the slavery., but eventually also elected a black American as their president! They regenerate themselves!
What is your point.
You side stepped the issues. You sound like some one with severe anti Hindu prejudice, JNU type?.
If you are trying to say Hindus are intolerant, yaaaaaawn. Muslims violently demanded and got 2 Islamic Republics and decimated Hindu population in the 2 Islamic Republics while in India, Muslim % is growing and constant appeasement politics. Not to mention tax payer funded Haj.
Hypocrisy of people like you is the reason Hindus in massive numbers moved from Congress to BJP. Keep doing it.
Please don’t whine, I am aware Haj issue has been resolved.
Living here, Indian Muslims die of a thousand cuts and humiliations, it is all around you, it upsets you, raises your blood pressure, it’s an unhappy situation. Sometimes it’s imaginary, maybe it’s just neurotic, but things you see, hear and read, hurt and wound.
Example.
I found those staged bizarre pictures of Doval, distributed to the compliant Indian media, where this man is laughing and eating lunch with Kashmiris, against a background of deserted under curfew streets, with shut doors of homes in the background, surreal and disturbing.
Here is the man who ordered the locking up of millions of men, women and children, who planned the cutting of all communication with them, he now has the gumption of releasing staged pictures of himself,
laughing and eating biryani with Kashmiris.
As a Muslim I found Doval’s pictures grotesque an abomination, to do this while millions of elderly and children are locked inside, people unable to go out to get medicines, to go to school, to contact worried loved ones.
Karl Otto Koch commandant of Sachsenhausen, used to pose exactly like Ajit Doval in front of happy laughing prisoners, he used to pull the cheeks of the children at the death camp and give them sweets too.
This man Doval planned all this suffering, he meticulously hears reports on detentions and oppression. He is responsible for checkpoints ever few hundred yards, where a Kashmiri are at the mercy or whim of a policeman. He oversees the torture centres mentioned in the UN report.
With the honourable exception of Journalists like Shivram _ the rest of the Indian media supports what is clearly fascism, I find it so upsetting –
it is horrible being a patriotic Muslim in India. I suppose it’s horrible to be a anti fascist patriotic Hindu too.
The people of Kashmir are greatful if Doval could bring an end to large scale violence orchestrated, logistical support, financial support from Pakistan to do military grade RDX bombs, machine guns, Islamic state recruitment, spreading hate and misery to people. This is not Kashmir.
The wide spread demonstrations after the death of Burhan Wani were a defining moment for all of India. Here was a man whose appeal was explicitly communal, who killed on the basis of religion, and he received accolades. The long road to what is happening today runs through the killings of Hindus and Sikhs and the forced cleansing of Pandits in the Valley.
Those Muslims who have your type of mind set are indeed unhappy. 1947 partition was for Muslims like you. You can still correct the mistake of your parents not crossing over to Pakistan. More you’ll remain in India, more you’ll be unhappy because in Indian Hindus and Muslims would continue to have the same rights, follow same laws and Muslims domination is a thing of past and is not going to repeat the history. So, take a decision today according to Quran and leave India.
I am a Muslim too, my ancestors have lived here for thousands of years, I have my own religion and culture.
I am Indian and I am starting to feel not wanted.
But forget about me going to Pakistan Mr AK.dev, this is my land. So let’s separate then, we are 165 million. I think we Muslims should take Kashmir, Himachal Pardesh, the northern half of Uttar Pardesh, the norther half of Bihar right upto Bengal. We will call the new Muslim land New India.
Off course you will disagree, but because you are so selfish, we will have to fight for it, so let’s start the Jihad.
Finally you want to take some land and convert into your islamic land. That is the mindset, compared to Hindus, even being majority never interfered in your religion. There was a saying, when muslim in absolute minatory, they are obedient. When in minority they want some protection. Little above minority, they want privileges. When they are equal, they want their rights. When simple majority, they want to curtail rights of others. In absolute majority, others don’t exist, either convert or die. Any muslim majority country, this rule applies. Possible one country that is exception is Indonesia. Possibly they are more liberal than anyone else. Don’t get offended when someone put some facts.
First and foremost you also needs to reclaim secularism. Today, many people believe that secularism was hollowed out by falsification of history, backtracking on the commitment to uniform civil code, and outright mollycoddling of extremism in West Bengal, Kerala and intellectual centers of JNU and a variety of think tanks. The opposition to the abrogation of Article 370 also comes from the same group of people who have no record of opposing the openly communal nature of separatists and their ethnic cleansing of the Kashmir valley.
who are the contributors to the growth of RSS BJP In India ? Harish Khare , Mani shankar aiyer , Shivam Vij, prem shankar Jha , Sidharth Varadarajan , N Ram and the naxal gangs like them . They give credit to the ordinary indians for their own achievements
The more one reads about Nehruji, respect and admiration increase. Last night I read a column by K Natwar Singh in which he reproduced an angry exchange of letters between him and his deputy. Put him absolutely in his place. No possible parity between the two great men. Nehruji se bada nationalist kaun ho sakta hai …
Are you living in India or in outer space? How dare you call India secular?? There are HUGE differences between how the state treats Hindu families, Hindu temples, Hindu schools (etc.) and how it treats Muslim equivalents. ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS OR NOT ??? Tell me how India can claim to be secular!! Shut your mouth until you have made India secular.
The reason for the astounding rise of BJP under Modi is that Hindus figured out that Nehru and his progeny were selling them short down the drain.. in order to appease Muslims and claim Muslim votes. Naturally it made tham angry.
WHY should I be secular? I am more than happy being a cvommunal hindu fanatic. Any problems??
The irony is that the quotes that Vij cites actually counter his views. He quotes Nehru speaking against separate nations within a country, but that’s exactly what we have been doing with separate religious laws and 370 – creating many nations. Next, it is a blatant lie that India is a secular country. A country with different religious laws can, by definition, NOT be a secular country. Lastly, in the name of fraudulent secularism, what Congress actually did was to empower all minorities to propagate their religions, but severely handicap Hindus from doing the same, which could rightly be termed as cultural genocide against Hindus. Hindus are finally waking up to this monumental fraud against them. Congress and communist parties, which perpetrated this crime, will be decimated, along with hacks like Vij.
”When Bengali Muslims in Assam” These Bengali Muslims in Assam, West Bengal and elsewhere in India are Bangladeshi Muslims and illegal. Today Kashmiri Muslims are worried about demographic changes but the same is happening elsewhere in India by Bangladeshi Muslims. If the author wishes India s to be quiet in the name of secularism, we do not want secularism. After all, India was divided on religion.
India is a secular country because Indian Hindus, who constitute the majority, and therefore have a proportional impact upon the political ethos, have created and defended a Constitution that is a remarkable triumph of reason over the temptations of sectarian passion. India is secular not because Muslims need it, but because Hindus want it. MJAKBAR
United India was partitioned on the Hindu Muslim basis.
Finally BJP is taking it to its logical conclusion.
Then why is Shashi Tharoor being arrested for saying that we are turning into a Hindu Pakistan? https://scroll.in/latest/933752/congress-mp-shashi-tharoor-gets-arrest-warrant-for-his-hindu-pakistan-comment
The 1947 partition was based on the principle espoused by Jinnah that national identity should be based on religious identity. Is the BJP/RSS finally agreeing with Jinnah?
Shivam, show me one non-Muslim-majority nation in which Muslims are nationalistic.
Muslim = Secular
Hindu = Communal
Ramzan = Secular
Diwali = Communal
Eid = Sacrifice
Holi = Pollution
370 = Secular
Pandit = Communal
Halal = Secular
Ghakta = Communal
As long as this continues, Hindus will continue to move to right-wing.
Unfortunately enough,in India secularism means anti-Hindu/Hinduism.The more the Hindu hatred,the more the secularism. The writer also trying to glorify Congress leaders,their regime as if they were golden ages of post-independence India.But it is clear to all like broad daylight that who had been the root causes of the division of India,death of numerous innocent people,communal riots,upsurgence of terrorism,backwardness of India and many other problems.Though I am neither a member nor a blind supporter of any political party,yet as an ordinary Indian at least can realise that which govt. works better for the country.Some so -called liberals,intellectuals,journalists,writers,media etc are desparately trying to mislead people.But the Indian electors are not fool. They will thwart all sorts of misdeeds to destabilise the country.
If my writing/comment seems nor moderate,then no need to publish it.
No, you are a typical, timid Hindu.
Compare that to the Muslims. They inflict all type of violence and discrimination on non-Muslims, and without blinking their eyes say Islam is religion of peace.
Muslims live for Islam.
Other people not so.
Absolute rubbish. What legitimate right do muslims have to secularism in India after they demanded division of India on a communal religious basis and got two islamic states created out out of India ? Yes secularism for all others in India but certainly not for muslims.
The talk about secularism and showing the photos of only muslims. Which means only muslims are followers of secularism and as they are peaceful and tolerant toward all other religions. They have lived peacefully for the past 500 years in India and no violence against any other communities. They are so affectionate to others that everybody loved muslims and no one hated each other. Vij, we need you. This will ensure that BJP will win elections hands down. Your contribution to Hindu society is highly appreciated like Mani Shankar Iyer, Arundati Roy, Shabana Azmi and a bunch of congress and commies. So long they are there, we are in safe hands of Modi.
After you have read half a dozen articles of his, Mr. SunderV you will expect nothing different from Monsieur Vij. His obstinacy doesn’t let him be objective. NDA Govt. can’t be always right but this esteemed writer can only sing one tune – inventing faults. We need constructive critics not obsessed advisors like him. Anyway, best wishes to him.
Secularism has already been saved by people voting for Modi. The self labelled securists promoting ant-Hindu narratives like this author are slowly dying in the trap they have laid down for themselves. After next few generations I am expecting total clean up of labelled secularists from India.
Hi
I am rooting for independence,
I have given up, appeasement of the Bhakt Hindu and calling for a united secular nation, it’s just not working.
We Muslims some of us have a better idea.
A strong independent Muslim country for the second largest Muslim population in the world, India’s 175 million Muslims.
They the RSS do not wish to live with us, the Hindus overwhelming voted for the RSS Pracharak.
That’s perfectly fine INDIA is supposed to be a democracy you are entitled to who you elect and your views, the counter movement amongst 175 million Muslims is growing, separation, we must part, this must be the slogan.
Stopping such a huge Muslim population is not going to be a cakewalk, after all we are not Kashmir.
We are not organised but we get stronger and more united, by your attitude.
We will call it over movement Jihad for independence
Our land will be New India, it will consist of the fertile parts of the Indo gangetic plain, himachal, uttarkhand,, the northern part of uttar pardesh, the north part of Bihar. It will stretch from Jummu to Bengal. With Pakistan on one side and Bangladesh on the other.
You Hindus can have everything south of the Ganga River. You can take your cows with you, as compensation.
So you communal guys, it’s slowly beginning to dawn that if you really don’t want Muslims, we must part company.
Remember we are not a timid people, with our Jihad , you may wish secularism was back.
REALLY? HOOO I am soooo scared. You will wish you never said such a thing
“Secularism” as it is known is not practiced anywhere else in the world. Secularism means separation of state and religion. That’s it. In the US, they take oath on the Bible. And say USA is a Christian country. Even though they invaded the land just 500 years ago and ethnic cleansed native Americans.
Whereas we have lived in this country for 1000s of years, but if any one points out this is after all Hindu country that has been invaded and ravaged and pillaged into something else we are accused of not being tolerant.
Oxford dictionary definition of secularism is, “an opposition to, or rejection of religion” which would also mean separation of state and religion. The president of America could be very religious as an individual, but when he is acting as the president, he should act in a secular manner. The president-elect takes oath on bible as an individual. He doesn’t have to take oath on a bible, if he is an atheist.. It is the state that has to be secular, and not an individual. In Britain, the queen is head of the Anglican church, but for all practical purposes they observe secularism.
Yes, Americans like to say they are a Christian nation, and they also cleansed native Americans. And there was slavery also. But then they have admitted all their crimes! They not only fought a bloody civil war to get rid of the slavery., but eventually also elected a black American as their president! They regenerate themselves!
What is your point.
You side stepped the issues. You sound like some one with severe anti Hindu prejudice, JNU type?.
If you are trying to say Hindus are intolerant, yaaaaaawn. Muslims violently demanded and got 2 Islamic Republics and decimated Hindu population in the 2 Islamic Republics while in India, Muslim % is growing and constant appeasement politics. Not to mention tax payer funded Haj.
Hypocrisy of people like you is the reason Hindus in massive numbers moved from Congress to BJP. Keep doing it.
Please don’t whine, I am aware Haj issue has been resolved.
Living here, Indian Muslims die of a thousand cuts and humiliations, it is all around you, it upsets you, raises your blood pressure, it’s an unhappy situation. Sometimes it’s imaginary, maybe it’s just neurotic, but things you see, hear and read, hurt and wound.
Example.
I found those staged bizarre pictures of Doval, distributed to the compliant Indian media, where this man is laughing and eating lunch with Kashmiris, against a background of deserted under curfew streets, with shut doors of homes in the background, surreal and disturbing.
Here is the man who ordered the locking up of millions of men, women and children, who planned the cutting of all communication with them, he now has the gumption of releasing staged pictures of himself,
laughing and eating biryani with Kashmiris.
As a Muslim I found Doval’s pictures grotesque an abomination, to do this while millions of elderly and children are locked inside, people unable to go out to get medicines, to go to school, to contact worried loved ones.
Karl Otto Koch commandant of Sachsenhausen, used to pose exactly like Ajit Doval in front of happy laughing prisoners, he used to pull the cheeks of the children at the death camp and give them sweets too.
This man Doval planned all this suffering, he meticulously hears reports on detentions and oppression. He is responsible for checkpoints ever few hundred yards, where a Kashmiri are at the mercy or whim of a policeman. He oversees the torture centres mentioned in the UN report.
With the honourable exception of Journalists like Shivram _ the rest of the Indian media supports what is clearly fascism, I find it so upsetting –
it is horrible being a patriotic Muslim in India. I suppose it’s horrible to be a anti fascist patriotic Hindu too.
The people of Kashmir are greatful if Doval could bring an end to large scale violence orchestrated, logistical support, financial support from Pakistan to do military grade RDX bombs, machine guns, Islamic state recruitment, spreading hate and misery to people. This is not Kashmir.
The wide spread demonstrations after the death of Burhan Wani were a defining moment for all of India. Here was a man whose appeal was explicitly communal, who killed on the basis of religion, and he received accolades. The long road to what is happening today runs through the killings of Hindus and Sikhs and the forced cleansing of Pandits in the Valley.
Those Muslims who have your type of mind set are indeed unhappy. 1947 partition was for Muslims like you. You can still correct the mistake of your parents not crossing over to Pakistan. More you’ll remain in India, more you’ll be unhappy because in Indian Hindus and Muslims would continue to have the same rights, follow same laws and Muslims domination is a thing of past and is not going to repeat the history. So, take a decision today according to Quran and leave India.
I am a Muslim too, my ancestors have lived here for thousands of years, I have my own religion and culture.
I am Indian and I am starting to feel not wanted.
But forget about me going to Pakistan Mr AK.dev, this is my land. So let’s separate then, we are 165 million. I think we Muslims should take Kashmir, Himachal Pardesh, the northern half of Uttar Pardesh, the norther half of Bihar right upto Bengal. We will call the new Muslim land New India.
Off course you will disagree, but because you are so selfish, we will have to fight for it, so let’s start the Jihad.
Finally you want to take some land and convert into your islamic land. That is the mindset, compared to Hindus, even being majority never interfered in your religion. There was a saying, when muslim in absolute minatory, they are obedient. When in minority they want some protection. Little above minority, they want privileges. When they are equal, they want their rights. When simple majority, they want to curtail rights of others. In absolute majority, others don’t exist, either convert or die. Any muslim majority country, this rule applies. Possible one country that is exception is Indonesia. Possibly they are more liberal than anyone else. Don’t get offended when someone put some facts.
First and foremost you also needs to reclaim secularism. Today, many people believe that secularism was hollowed out by falsification of history, backtracking on the commitment to uniform civil code, and outright mollycoddling of extremism in West Bengal, Kerala and intellectual centers of JNU and a variety of think tanks. The opposition to the abrogation of Article 370 also comes from the same group of people who have no record of opposing the openly communal nature of separatists and their ethnic cleansing of the Kashmir valley.
Agree 100%.. The people who shout the loudest for secularism are not secular themselves.
“Most recently, Kanhaiya Kumar showed us how nationalism could be reclaimed from Hindutva. ” – I would really love to have the stuff Vij is smoking! 🙂
Kanhaiyas of the world are the biggest vote gathers for Hindutva.
Very disjointed and weak writing. Superficial.
who are the contributors to the growth of RSS BJP In India ? Harish Khare , Mani shankar aiyer , Shivam Vij, prem shankar Jha , Sidharth Varadarajan , N Ram and the naxal gangs like them . They give credit to the ordinary indians for their own achievements
The more one reads about Nehruji, respect and admiration increase. Last night I read a column by K Natwar Singh in which he reproduced an angry exchange of letters between him and his deputy. Put him absolutely in his place. No possible parity between the two great men. Nehruji se bada nationalist kaun ho sakta hai …
This type of articles will never promote secularism but only terrorism .