PERHAPS THIS TWITTER AFICIONADO SONALI WILL NOTE
That the Kashmir people have always been secular, the expulsion of the our Hindu pundit brothers were a blot, I make no excuse for it.
The Indian government some say created a fear psychosis by the frequent announcements to leave the valley, this did not help.
But if you ask the average Kashmiri he like me will hang his head in shame for the attacks made in his name. There is no deep hatred.
The government should have ensured that the Kashmiri pundit was safe, very few of the 300,000 para military and police in the valley were deployed to protect the KP. But the consensus in the valley was that it was a shame, there were no cheering, there is not hatred towards the KP. This despite the fact The KP were our landlords and rulers, the people of Kashmir were treated worse than serfs right from the time of Gulab Singh beside 200,000 people died in Jammu in riots organised by the RSS and Hari Singh.
But there is no hate in the valley that is because we have no Muslim version of the RSS poisoning minds.
The people of Kashmir have always suffered and that includes the Pundits. This time we will ensure our brother Kashmiri is protected.
SINCE YOU RANADE ARE SUCH A PROLIFIC GOOGLER , YOU SHOULD PUT YOUR KEYBOARD SKILLS TO RESEARCHING ATROCITIES BY INDIA ON THE PEOPLE OF THE VALLEY,
Our esteemed PM Modi has said than more then 40,000 deaths have been caused by the conflict, but this may be a gross underestimate
I would like to summarise these deaths taking the UN’s own figures
Between 1989-2009, the actions of India’s military and paramilitary forces in Kashmir have resulted in 8,000+ enforced and involuntary disappearances and 70,000+ deaths, including through extrajudicial or “fake encounter” executions, custodial brutality, and other means.
Lawyers have reportedly filed 15,000 petitions since 1990, inquiring, largely unsuccessfully, into the location and health of detainees and the charges against them. Over 5000 rapes were registered.
ONE MANS TERRORIST IS ANOTHER MANS FREEDOM FIGHTER AS THE SAYING GOES
DO YOU REALLY THINK ITS NOW BEST FOR THE KASHMIRI TO LIE DOWN AND JUST DIE?
Remove AFSPA unearth the mass graves, bring the perpetrators from the security forces to justice.
Then perhaps we can invite the Kashmiri people to talk, but given the Record of the Butcher Of Gujarat Modi, honestly do you think any Muslim of Kashmir finds joining India an enticing prospect. Would you like living as a Muslim in India? second class citizen
YOU YOURSELF SONALI LIVE IN SEATTLE, WHY DO YOU EXPECT THE KASHMIRI TO LIVE IN THIS SH… HOLE OF A PLACE BHARAT MATA
Your Jihad propaganda is ineffective. Burhan Wani made even mild mannered, moderate Hindus wanting to crush Kashmir Jihad.
Don’t flatter yourself claiming this is “freedom struggle” and you are Gandhi or Bhagat Singh?.
Ethnic cleansing is much much more than a blot. Sorry!
Subhasis
I agree with you,
it was not the people in the valley but the militants that did these wicked acts, I understand how you feel and your pain. I also have lost loved ones so, believe me I can empathise.
The actual Pain and suffering has no race or religion, we feel it equally as human beings. My Allah bless you and and take you in his arms.
Burhan Wani was open about his religious motivation and his hatred for others. Syed Gilani has publicly demanded an Islamic state repeatedly. There is simply *no* way you can create a secular cause out of something that is communal and deeply offensive. Many of those who called Article 370 a ‘sham’ are the same people complaining now that it is gone. There is a respectful place for Muslims in India that is equal to everybody else – but not where special laws and autonomy is granted because of religion.
Indian ne ye kiya indian ne wo kiya. Kashmiri to sab doodh ke dhule hain, aur musalman to kabhi kuch bura kartee hi nahi. Ye sab nautanki aur emotional blackmail bahut ho gaya. The simple and straight road ahead is :
1. Learn to live as equals, you are not special.
2. Don’t go around threatening violence.
3. Live in peace and harmony with others .
Do those things and everyone can live happily ever after.
The world is watching intently, although Pakistan and China alone have reacted strongly. It considers all of J & K to be a disputed territory, on the ledger of the UN, its future to be decided by India and Pakistan through peaceful bilateral dialogue. And in accordance with the wishes of the Kashmiri people, Secretary Clinton had added hurriedly, on the prompting of an aide. Our position now seems to be there is no dispute, no need for dialogue with Pakistan, all that the Simla Accord left to be finalised was the return of PoK – and the scenic Gilgit Baltistan – to India. As far as the Kashmiri people are concerned, from willingness for dialogue within the framework of the Indian Constitution, PM ABV widening its ambit to Insaaniyat ke daayre mein, PM PVNR raising his hands to enfold the sky, they are now on par with the residents of Dadra & Nagar Haveli. So long as there is peace between nuclear armed India and Pakistan and no serious loss of life in the Valley, the world will mind its own business. It is in our own interest not to enmesh it in our issues.
Let’s take your argument and agree that India and Pakistan should talk. Now my questions to you: Do you sincerely believe that (1) ISI will NOT create trouble and indoctrinate youth in the valley if greater federalism is exercised? (2) that any civilian Pak government that settles the Kashmir issue with India will make it a peaceful region…no more PULWAMAs? (Ref. Simla, Agra and Lahore initiatives by India and most of all the tacit agreement to status quo after 1948 by INDIA; (3) If Kashmir were to become an independent country, ISI and Pakistan’s military establishment will disband and go home to sleep PEACEFULLY …mission accomplished.
I can raise many questions, but these are fundamental. Please see the common thread in these three questions: (1) deep distrust bordering on hatred on both sides; and (2) Pakistan’s rouge psychology akin to North Korea. Now, is Indian government and general public responsible for these?
Now coming to the most important point: Muslims. Chidambaram said BJP wouldn’t have taken this step if this were a Hindu dominated state. Can we ask him, whether Pakistan would have meddled so much in this state if it were a Hindu state? Does Pakistan ready to own and adopt all Muslims in this world? Are they their religious community’s self-appointed guardian in this world? A country that refused to take back its soldiers, is trying to be the guardian of Kashmiri muslims.
I would also request you to drop this line of yours: “the world is watching…” Geopolitics is NOT moral and the whole world knows it. The world was also watching the Vietnam war, was also watching the Iraq war and is now watching Hong Kong as well. Get rid of our inferiority complex OR go live in the West to get over this Western world fixation of yours. You might become a true Indian before you even realise.
Is the world watching intently? Dear Mr Ashok (who has no surname), the world simply has no time for a small district in a far away land. The original sin was the religious separation of this country. Thereafter, we went to the UN and said this is a dispute. Why may I ask? A letter from Nehru says he did not want to win POK because Shaikh Abdulla was not very confidant the Mirpury Muslims there would vote for India.
So far so good. In 1972, Mrs G yielded to Mr Bhutto’s entreaties and we have the Shimla accord saying this is a bilateral issue. It was inviting the Bull to gore you very thoroughly. This is happening with regularity ever since then. Do you ever imagine the Khalistan problem was resurrected from the partition era by the Sikhs from Canada alone? The rulers of Pakistan did it.
In spite of such history the illiterate (in history at least) liberals continue to espouse full liberties to the Kashmiri Jihadis. I pity our nation. The too educated have no clue other than their pop culture knowledge that America had an anti-Vietnam war movement. Oh Lord! when will these people will ever learn that realpolitik has to run often illiberally? Did the liberal icons Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton ask the Pakistani stakeholders before they hit Osama bin Laden?
One has never understand this recent trend of reducing all serious matters of governance to a simple, artificially constructed binary between Liberals and whatever its converse may be called. India is run from Raisina Hill, not Khan Market. The liberals / intellectuals / people of erudition, culture and a social conscience have no power or executive authority. They cannot even patrol the back roads at night, lying in wait for cattle traders to lynch. They have the power of their thoughts and beliefs, which it is now becoming politically correct and rewarding to mock. Quite a few people of consequence may not have read a good book, would struggle to work their way through a fine edit. 2. Now to Kashmir. Even without whatever role Pakistan plays in the Valley – and some may have begun to play in Hong Kong or Moscow – there is a problem. Euphemisms like “ misguided youth “ and “ alienation “ will not cut it. If there is so much popular disaffection – see the number of people who turn up for the funerals of militants – deal with it politically.
I fully agree. The people of Kashmir supported insurgency and bleed the national economy. Let them feel the pinch what is suffering. Gorkhaland movement continued for more than 60 days and finally people surrendered. Now peace is restored and everyone happy. Now it is time for the people of Kashmir to pay the price for insurgency that will be lesson in history for every nations in world. Country cannot bow down to terrorists and stone pelters.
3. Liberals should avoid supporting the fake news and Jihad propaganda. 4.Support the Modi government.
PERHAPS THIS TWITTER AFICIONADO SONALI WILL NOTE
That the Kashmir people have always been secular, the expulsion of the our Hindu pundit brothers were a blot, I make no excuse for it.
The Indian government some say created a fear psychosis by the frequent announcements to leave the valley, this did not help.
But if you ask the average Kashmiri he like me will hang his head in shame for the attacks made in his name. There is no deep hatred.
The government should have ensured that the Kashmiri pundit was safe, very few of the 300,000 para military and police in the valley were deployed to protect the KP. But the consensus in the valley was that it was a shame, there were no cheering, there is not hatred towards the KP. This despite the fact The KP were our landlords and rulers, the people of Kashmir were treated worse than serfs right from the time of Gulab Singh beside 200,000 people died in Jammu in riots organised by the RSS and Hari Singh.
But there is no hate in the valley that is because we have no Muslim version of the RSS poisoning minds.
The people of Kashmir have always suffered and that includes the Pundits. This time we will ensure our brother Kashmiri is protected.
SINCE YOU RANADE ARE SUCH A PROLIFIC GOOGLER , YOU SHOULD PUT YOUR KEYBOARD SKILLS TO RESEARCHING ATROCITIES BY INDIA ON THE PEOPLE OF THE VALLEY,
Our esteemed PM Modi has said than more then 40,000 deaths have been caused by the conflict, but this may be a gross underestimate
I would like to summarise these deaths taking the UN’s own figures
Between 1989-2009, the actions of India’s military and paramilitary forces in Kashmir have resulted in 8,000+ enforced and involuntary disappearances and 70,000+ deaths, including through extrajudicial or “fake encounter” executions, custodial brutality, and other means.
Lawyers have reportedly filed 15,000 petitions since 1990, inquiring, largely unsuccessfully, into the location and health of detainees and the charges against them. Over 5000 rapes were registered.
ONE MANS TERRORIST IS ANOTHER MANS FREEDOM FIGHTER AS THE SAYING GOES
DO YOU REALLY THINK ITS NOW BEST FOR THE KASHMIRI TO LIE DOWN AND JUST DIE?
Remove AFSPA unearth the mass graves, bring the perpetrators from the security forces to justice.
Then perhaps we can invite the Kashmiri people to talk, but given the Record of the Butcher Of Gujarat Modi, honestly do you think any Muslim of Kashmir finds joining India an enticing prospect. Would you like living as a Muslim in India? second class citizen
YOU YOURSELF SONALI LIVE IN SEATTLE, WHY DO YOU EXPECT THE KASHMIRI TO LIVE IN THIS SH… HOLE OF A PLACE BHARAT MATA
Your Jihad propaganda is ineffective. Burhan Wani made even mild mannered, moderate Hindus wanting to crush Kashmir Jihad.
Don’t flatter yourself claiming this is “freedom struggle” and you are Gandhi or Bhagat Singh?.
Ethnic cleansing is much much more than a blot. Sorry!
Subhasis
I agree with you,
it was not the people in the valley but the militants that did these wicked acts, I understand how you feel and your pain. I also have lost loved ones so, believe me I can empathise.
The actual Pain and suffering has no race or religion, we feel it equally as human beings. My Allah bless you and and take you in his arms.
Burhan Wani was open about his religious motivation and his hatred for others. Syed Gilani has publicly demanded an Islamic state repeatedly. There is simply *no* way you can create a secular cause out of something that is communal and deeply offensive. Many of those who called Article 370 a ‘sham’ are the same people complaining now that it is gone. There is a respectful place for Muslims in India that is equal to everybody else – but not where special laws and autonomy is granted because of religion.
Indian ne ye kiya indian ne wo kiya. Kashmiri to sab doodh ke dhule hain, aur musalman to kabhi kuch bura kartee hi nahi. Ye sab nautanki aur emotional blackmail bahut ho gaya. The simple and straight road ahead is :
1. Learn to live as equals, you are not special.
2. Don’t go around threatening violence.
3. Live in peace and harmony with others .
Do those things and everyone can live happily ever after.
The world is watching intently, although Pakistan and China alone have reacted strongly. It considers all of J & K to be a disputed territory, on the ledger of the UN, its future to be decided by India and Pakistan through peaceful bilateral dialogue. And in accordance with the wishes of the Kashmiri people, Secretary Clinton had added hurriedly, on the prompting of an aide. Our position now seems to be there is no dispute, no need for dialogue with Pakistan, all that the Simla Accord left to be finalised was the return of PoK – and the scenic Gilgit Baltistan – to India. As far as the Kashmiri people are concerned, from willingness for dialogue within the framework of the Indian Constitution, PM ABV widening its ambit to Insaaniyat ke daayre mein, PM PVNR raising his hands to enfold the sky, they are now on par with the residents of Dadra & Nagar Haveli. So long as there is peace between nuclear armed India and Pakistan and no serious loss of life in the Valley, the world will mind its own business. It is in our own interest not to enmesh it in our issues.
Let’s take your argument and agree that India and Pakistan should talk. Now my questions to you: Do you sincerely believe that (1) ISI will NOT create trouble and indoctrinate youth in the valley if greater federalism is exercised? (2) that any civilian Pak government that settles the Kashmir issue with India will make it a peaceful region…no more PULWAMAs? (Ref. Simla, Agra and Lahore initiatives by India and most of all the tacit agreement to status quo after 1948 by INDIA; (3) If Kashmir were to become an independent country, ISI and Pakistan’s military establishment will disband and go home to sleep PEACEFULLY …mission accomplished.
I can raise many questions, but these are fundamental. Please see the common thread in these three questions: (1) deep distrust bordering on hatred on both sides; and (2) Pakistan’s rouge psychology akin to North Korea. Now, is Indian government and general public responsible for these?
Now coming to the most important point: Muslims. Chidambaram said BJP wouldn’t have taken this step if this were a Hindu dominated state. Can we ask him, whether Pakistan would have meddled so much in this state if it were a Hindu state? Does Pakistan ready to own and adopt all Muslims in this world? Are they their religious community’s self-appointed guardian in this world? A country that refused to take back its soldiers, is trying to be the guardian of Kashmiri muslims.
I would also request you to drop this line of yours: “the world is watching…” Geopolitics is NOT moral and the whole world knows it. The world was also watching the Vietnam war, was also watching the Iraq war and is now watching Hong Kong as well. Get rid of our inferiority complex OR go live in the West to get over this Western world fixation of yours. You might become a true Indian before you even realise.
Is the world watching intently? Dear Mr Ashok (who has no surname), the world simply has no time for a small district in a far away land. The original sin was the religious separation of this country. Thereafter, we went to the UN and said this is a dispute. Why may I ask? A letter from Nehru says he did not want to win POK because Shaikh Abdulla was not very confidant the Mirpury Muslims there would vote for India.
So far so good. In 1972, Mrs G yielded to Mr Bhutto’s entreaties and we have the Shimla accord saying this is a bilateral issue. It was inviting the Bull to gore you very thoroughly. This is happening with regularity ever since then. Do you ever imagine the Khalistan problem was resurrected from the partition era by the Sikhs from Canada alone? The rulers of Pakistan did it.
In spite of such history the illiterate (in history at least) liberals continue to espouse full liberties to the Kashmiri Jihadis. I pity our nation. The too educated have no clue other than their pop culture knowledge that America had an anti-Vietnam war movement. Oh Lord! when will these people will ever learn that realpolitik has to run often illiberally? Did the liberal icons Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton ask the Pakistani stakeholders before they hit Osama bin Laden?
One has never understand this recent trend of reducing all serious matters of governance to a simple, artificially constructed binary between Liberals and whatever its converse may be called. India is run from Raisina Hill, not Khan Market. The liberals / intellectuals / people of erudition, culture and a social conscience have no power or executive authority. They cannot even patrol the back roads at night, lying in wait for cattle traders to lynch. They have the power of their thoughts and beliefs, which it is now becoming politically correct and rewarding to mock. Quite a few people of consequence may not have read a good book, would struggle to work their way through a fine edit. 2. Now to Kashmir. Even without whatever role Pakistan plays in the Valley – and some may have begun to play in Hong Kong or Moscow – there is a problem. Euphemisms like “ misguided youth “ and “ alienation “ will not cut it. If there is so much popular disaffection – see the number of people who turn up for the funerals of militants – deal with it politically.
I fully agree. The people of Kashmir supported insurgency and bleed the national economy. Let them feel the pinch what is suffering. Gorkhaland movement continued for more than 60 days and finally people surrendered. Now peace is restored and everyone happy. Now it is time for the people of Kashmir to pay the price for insurgency that will be lesson in history for every nations in world. Country cannot bow down to terrorists and stone pelters.