People opposing the contents of this article should see real downward trend of the disease in India in spite of gross violations of ‘Covid19 appropriate preventive measures’ at all levels including festival related, religious and political gatherings in India for the past few months.
As per the epidemiological triad, in any communicable disease fertility of the ‘soil’ (human) is more important than the ‘seed’ (pathogen) in causing devastating effect in a given population. For both unknown and few known reasons the the corona is kind to us when compared most of the developed nations.
Well this comment didn’t age well now did it. That’s what happens when you believe articles written by pseudo intellectuals rather than listening to professionals.
The kind of references you give -its unfortunate. Dr. A. Velumani’s Thyrocare has been banned in many areas due to false reports. Check your facts before you mislead people.
The number of daily new corona infected and deaths due to it has drastically reduced during last 30 days quite opposite to opinion of Indian medical experts community whose assessment was that cases in India will tremendously increase with cold winter season.. However Our respected prime minister is crazy of his publicity and tries to take credit out of nothing . The doctor community is also of opinion that those who developed immunity in natural course in last 10 months need not to be inoculated .compelling all the so called FRONT LINE KARM VEER to get vaccinated under threat is neither necessary nor ethical .Secondly it will be sheer wastage of vaccine and labour being put in for the job . However expressing opinion which may not please blind BJPwalas invite risk of being termed as ANtI NATIONAL may be put behind jail bars.
Aged like milk
Even I read article where author is against the lockdown and saying if there will more lockdown then its a foolish decision. There is some case of late 1980 same pandemic as covid but they chose to reopen, they haven’t imposed any lockdown and result were good as compared to covid scenario.
So we should urge government to reopen schools and colleges.
Please arrange a big research to prove your hypothesis that majority indian have natural immunity and shut down your your journal and open a laboratory.
Then only you will be able to understand what type of immunity you have when u write such a irresponsible article …
What are the credentials of the authors? Are they experts in virology? Or experts in vaccines?
All the statements are written as they are facts whereas they are not. Click bait article headline,
HOPELESS article! If vaccine is not needed, why it was developed at all?
How vaccine is harmful if it is attenuated or killed?
Why whole population takes polio vaccine??
No Muslim and Christian should take vaccine. Made with pigs blood. Created by evil Modi, Modi bad man, no take vaccine. Only vaccine should be left for evil Hindus.
The goal of lockdowns is to prevent the spread of infection while gearing up to face the spread that has already occured. Preventing infections reduces death and long term illness that is produced by Covid. Please remember that sick people cannot work well. Thus prevention of infection is crucial to a healthy workforce and economy.
Sweden initially did not go for lockdowns and was hit with a double whammy – the people and the economy both suffered. Countries that managed the first wave well and brought numbers down with lockdowns suffered relatively lower losses.
Vaccines have only just become available. One of the reasons that there is widespread infection despite lockdowns in some countries, is that people are not following the rules. Thus, we cannot say that vaccines have failed in preventing infection. It is actually thought processes like the ones in this article, that have caused more infection to spread.
This article claims that immunity after Covid is long lasting, but the basis for that claim is an article which says that the immunity lasts for 8 months. Is 8 months long lasting?
What is the evidence that Indians have better immunity?
The best option is to vaccinate, with an effective and widespread programme, so that society is protected.
Polio vaccine was well researched and effective. The current Covid vaccines did not have that much time to be properly developed due to the nature of the pandemic and these vaccines are all only emergency approved.
We will have to wait and see how people react to the vaccine first and then later on see if the vaccine is effective in the population. The authorities and scientists are learning more on the go. No one is totally sure.
Unsubstantiated personal views of the writers have the potential for larger harm than good of the population. Vaccines in general are extremely useful tool for minimizing morbidity and mortality since ages…….as the State Immunization Officer for nearly a decade I have witnessed collapse ( demise) of polio and near containment dangerous measles diseases in young children so this write up negates the very concept of immunization
The pandemic is almost over in India because of masks and social distancing. The virus is not able to find new people to infect due to this. However if we remove our masks, the virus will find it’s way to spread gain. So vaccinating will be of benefit if we have to quickly recover our economic and social life.
I am interested in the real data behind Thyrocare claims that majority of Indians have already produced SARS COV-2 antibodies.
Extremely irresponsible article! You have no idea of the negative impact this can cause to the vaccination drive! Someone should report this. Freedom of speech and freedom of press can not be a tool to misguide the mass at such a critical point. This article has no scientific data backing it! No sane doctor will ever back this theory!
Its highly disturbing to see seemingly educated well placed Indians react in such a manner to an article. The tone and the language is shocking. Saying “shame on you” or “i doubt your degree” just shows the amount of venom people are filled with. All the nastiness that can’t be released in a direct confrontation finds an outlet here.
The article may seem inaccurate but there’s no doubt that it is well-meaning. It is also mentioned at the end that the views expressed are the authors’ personal views. The authors are respectable citizens of the country and dont deserve this kind of treatment. If one doesn’t agree, he can ignore the article. I am sure people who read these posts are also intelligent enough to decide what they want to believe as true and what they want to reject. So asking the editor to regulate and filter such posts is unreasonable.
This irresponsible headline and the content within is playing a spoilsport in educating people regarding the importance of vaccination. I am already receiving whatsapp forwards, citing this headline and asking not to get inoculated.
I expected better editorial filtering and standards by Shekhar Gupta.
Please change the headline and write a follow-up clarification artical asap.
I completely agree Media should be discreet as they could mislead a vulnerable population Restraint is the key especially when the pandemic has created such havoc in the world
This is post is highly irresponsible. To say the US & UK are witnessing high incidence of disease and stricter lockdown although they have ‘deployed’ the vaccines is totally misleading. The percentage of people actually vaccinated is miniscule. The impact was never expected before a good 50% are vaccinated.
Let’s be careful about expert sounding ipinion pieces which start with a wrong premise.
Aise articles na likho. Already it’s going to be difficult to convince people to take vaccine. Such articles will only make it further difficult. People with little analytical brains already know this. And they are the ones taking precaution too to not acquire the virus. The rest who are not cautious are the ones who need the vaccine
This article has a very narrow view about the risks involved getting the virus. From what I know here in Israel, people who were infected and ” recovered” some have side effects. The best for the planet we live in is to get vaccinated so that we would get heard immunity.
Here in Israel (9 million people) about 2 million people hot the first vaccine’s shot, and desperately are waiting for the 2nd shot. We implement the green passport; if you got a vaccine, you could be free to enter s theatre, hotel…
So our freedom depends now on whether we have it or not. I think the world is stepping toward this direction.
This is an utter non sense article. Mr Jay, I really doubt your degree. Shame on you to spread such confusion in public. If this is so, you should not have given polio vaccine to your kid. When it comes to your family, you follow utmost safety, but for others all this idiotic philosophies. Shame on you
What nonsense are you talking? Do you even have scientific proof to back up what you are saying?
Don’t you know that studies have proven that antibodies last between 2 weeks to months after you recover from Covidh? Who are you to make these claims? Let a scientist talk – someone who knows what they are saying.
It appears the article is based on assumptions! I am really searching for test to measure Immunity level in a healthy individual it will immensely help in taking necessary doses of Immunity Boosters?
There is no scientific definition of what is good or bad immunity. All you can get is immune cell counts from testing. Doctors in India cannot interpret your immunity level by just looking at these cell counts.
You cannot prove immune boosters work even if you measured your cell counts. Ayush ministry has not yet published any scientific evidence on these boosters.
It is dangerous to say just now that most Indians are immune to the Covid 19 virus. Our current death rate per million population is under 150. Elsewhere there are countries where the feath rate per million of the population is well over 1000! Let’s not count our chickens. Best to vaccinate those most at risk…
Lol.. typical indian Mindset ..
Just give up when it’s about to get real ..But then again the ‘homemade’ vaccine we are pushing has such low efficacy and have not even set forth the safety details ..
Our mindset will primed to be anti Vax.
We all suffered in 2020 ,Some of us died .. only for these guys to push random bogus as ‘natural immunity’ ,Sero surveys are useless when you map it only from metro cities or even towns when majority of your population lies in underdeveloped areas where no one even heard of this thing ..Moreover idk where is this 50% figure is even coming out of even if we take to lose 10 people for 1 confirmed case (assuming no reinfection)(and the state of testing is pretty ok now ) that puts us at still 17 % of the population infected .. ..India! I mean …
Even if you double that no. To account for our “indian” attitude of slacking off ..it’s still 34% and herd immunity is achieved around 60-70% ,moreover now that the cases are Actually going down due to several prevention measures, the vaccination drive makes sense to prevent Actual deaths ,Human lives are not Statistics…
Only those vaccine should be approved though whose safety data is sound ..by far only modrna and astrazenca comes to mind.
6much better than any vaccine that has been approved at present . The Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines trigger the body’s immunity to the spike protein only unlike natural immunity which is a broader immune response to the overall surface proteins of th virus. Covaxin comes closest to natural immunity but it’s data is still not available for public to understand how effective and safe it is.
IT’S A RUBBISH ARTICLE. TO MANIPULATE PEOPLES . AND YOU ARE ALSO COWARD LIKE THEM. BULLSHIT ARTICLE.
Your friend has post Covid long haul issues – brain fog, fatigue etc. It does not matter whether it is mild or severe infection. What matters is how an individual’s immune system responds and how much the body reverts back to homeostasis. Some people’s bodies just take a long time to recover and some do not recover at all.
Vaccinating does not mean one cannot get infected. If anyone gets infected even after vaccination they can still develop those long hauler symptoms during recovery phase. The only point of vaccination is to prevent an infection moving one’s body towards severe or life-threatening stage.
The article has many factual inaccuracies. Neither US nor the UK has imposed a strict lockdown. International travel is being permitted and schools are open. Restaurants, pubs, and Christmas shopping were all kept open. Even places of worship have been kept open. This weak lockdown is considered to be one of the primary reasons for Covid having made a strong comeback. Considering that there are such gross inaccuracies in the write up it is hard to believe the rest of it including the conclusion that vaccination is pointless in India.
A very very absurd opinion piece. The aunties would atleast agree to the studies on lungs if infected people. Which “flu” does that too the lungs? This is just one counter argument. The amount of mischief in this article is not even with condemning! A young completely healthy friend of mine still feels the weakness even after two months post recovery.
NATIONALIST PROPAGANDA… this didnt age well did it? Perhaps you may learn something from experience. or maybe you cant learn anything at all…
Excellent article, must read for everyone. Thank you for sharing the wisdom.
The claim that India was near herd immunity way back in January hasn’t aged well, has it?
Indian Ayurveda and Indian medicinal system is way contrarian to western concepts
Our concepts are strengthening internal immunity and facilitate repairing within ourselves…
Propping up the body mechanism with external inputs, will eventually disable our own mechanisms at our own peril
Now much did our vedic science help?
People opposing the contents of this article should see real downward trend of the disease in India in spite of gross violations of ‘Covid19 appropriate preventive measures’ at all levels including festival related, religious and political gatherings in India for the past few months.
As per the epidemiological triad, in any communicable disease fertility of the ‘soil’ (human) is more important than the ‘seed’ (pathogen) in causing devastating effect in a given population. For both unknown and few known reasons the the corona is kind to us when compared most of the developed nations.
I fully agree with you.
Well this comment didn’t age well now did it. That’s what happens when you believe articles written by pseudo intellectuals rather than listening to professionals.
The kind of references you give -its unfortunate. Dr. A. Velumani’s Thyrocare has been banned in many areas due to false reports. Check your facts before you mislead people.
Dumb , no scientific evidence just gayan .
Need educated writers n editors
The number of daily new corona infected and deaths due to it has drastically reduced during last 30 days quite opposite to opinion of Indian medical experts community whose assessment was that cases in India will tremendously increase with cold winter season.. However Our respected prime minister is crazy of his publicity and tries to take credit out of nothing . The doctor community is also of opinion that those who developed immunity in natural course in last 10 months need not to be inoculated .compelling all the so called FRONT LINE KARM VEER to get vaccinated under threat is neither necessary nor ethical .Secondly it will be sheer wastage of vaccine and labour being put in for the job . However expressing opinion which may not please blind BJPwalas invite risk of being termed as ANtI NATIONAL may be put behind jail bars.
Aged like milk
Even I read article where author is against the lockdown and saying if there will more lockdown then its a foolish decision. There is some case of late 1980 same pandemic as covid but they chose to reopen, they haven’t imposed any lockdown and result were good as compared to covid scenario.
So we should urge government to reopen schools and colleges.
The people who think this article is irresponsible are advised to check the credentials of the authors before leaving their ill informed comments
I did, none of them is a virologist
I have lost all of my respect for print
What a shame .
Why is print speak like an anti vaxxer
All of the things say in the article is not right
Utter rubbish article, it’s people like you that cause chaos and misinformation.
Please arrange a big research to prove your hypothesis that majority indian have natural immunity and shut down your your journal and open a laboratory.
Then only you will be able to understand what type of immunity you have when u write such a irresponsible article …
What are the credentials of the authors? Are they experts in virology? Or experts in vaccines?
All the statements are written as they are facts whereas they are not. Click bait article headline,
Absurdly terrible article by people who don’t seem to have much knowledge of the subject.
HOPELESS article! If vaccine is not needed, why it was developed at all?
How vaccine is harmful if it is attenuated or killed?
Why whole population takes polio vaccine??
This whole article is based on bad assumptions. I am a doctor , and print needs better editors
No Muslim and Christian should take vaccine. Made with pigs blood. Created by evil Modi, Modi bad man, no take vaccine. Only vaccine should be left for evil Hindus.
Natural Immunity??? Expose this guy and lets see the claims
Many things are incorrect in this article.
The goal of lockdowns is to prevent the spread of infection while gearing up to face the spread that has already occured. Preventing infections reduces death and long term illness that is produced by Covid. Please remember that sick people cannot work well. Thus prevention of infection is crucial to a healthy workforce and economy.
Sweden initially did not go for lockdowns and was hit with a double whammy – the people and the economy both suffered. Countries that managed the first wave well and brought numbers down with lockdowns suffered relatively lower losses.
Vaccines have only just become available. One of the reasons that there is widespread infection despite lockdowns in some countries, is that people are not following the rules. Thus, we cannot say that vaccines have failed in preventing infection. It is actually thought processes like the ones in this article, that have caused more infection to spread.
This article claims that immunity after Covid is long lasting, but the basis for that claim is an article which says that the immunity lasts for 8 months. Is 8 months long lasting?
What is the evidence that Indians have better immunity?
The best option is to vaccinate, with an effective and widespread programme, so that society is protected.
Really nice article or I can say that the only article that throw some light on this topic in these dark times.
Polio vaccine was well researched and effective. The current Covid vaccines did not have that much time to be properly developed due to the nature of the pandemic and these vaccines are all only emergency approved.
We will have to wait and see how people react to the vaccine first and then later on see if the vaccine is effective in the population. The authorities and scientists are learning more on the go. No one is totally sure.
Unsubstantiated personal views of the writers have the potential for larger harm than good of the population. Vaccines in general are extremely useful tool for minimizing morbidity and mortality since ages…….as the State Immunization Officer for nearly a decade I have witnessed collapse ( demise) of polio and near containment dangerous measles diseases in young children so this write up negates the very concept of immunization
The pandemic is almost over in India because of masks and social distancing. The virus is not able to find new people to infect due to this. However if we remove our masks, the virus will find it’s way to spread gain. So vaccinating will be of benefit if we have to quickly recover our economic and social life.
I am interested in the real data behind Thyrocare claims that majority of Indians have already produced SARS COV-2 antibodies.
Extremely irresponsible article! You have no idea of the negative impact this can cause to the vaccination drive! Someone should report this. Freedom of speech and freedom of press can not be a tool to misguide the mass at such a critical point. This article has no scientific data backing it! No sane doctor will ever back this theory!
Its highly disturbing to see seemingly educated well placed Indians react in such a manner to an article. The tone and the language is shocking. Saying “shame on you” or “i doubt your degree” just shows the amount of venom people are filled with. All the nastiness that can’t be released in a direct confrontation finds an outlet here.
The article may seem inaccurate but there’s no doubt that it is well-meaning. It is also mentioned at the end that the views expressed are the authors’ personal views. The authors are respectable citizens of the country and dont deserve this kind of treatment. If one doesn’t agree, he can ignore the article. I am sure people who read these posts are also intelligent enough to decide what they want to believe as true and what they want to reject. So asking the editor to regulate and filter such posts is unreasonable.
Can’t believe thePrint decided to go ahead with this. The article is factually incorrect, wildly speculative and editorially immoral.
Cock n bull story .. No hard facts all hear say..
This irresponsible headline and the content within is playing a spoilsport in educating people regarding the importance of vaccination. I am already receiving whatsapp forwards, citing this headline and asking not to get inoculated.
I expected better editorial filtering and standards by Shekhar Gupta.
Please change the headline and write a follow-up clarification artical asap.
I agree with you.
I completely agree Media should be discreet as they could mislead a vulnerable population Restraint is the key especially when the pandemic has created such havoc in the world
This is post is highly irresponsible. To say the US & UK are witnessing high incidence of disease and stricter lockdown although they have ‘deployed’ the vaccines is totally misleading. The percentage of people actually vaccinated is miniscule. The impact was never expected before a good 50% are vaccinated.
Let’s be careful about expert sounding ipinion pieces which start with a wrong premise.
Aise articles na likho. Already it’s going to be difficult to convince people to take vaccine. Such articles will only make it further difficult. People with little analytical brains already know this. And they are the ones taking precaution too to not acquire the virus. The rest who are not cautious are the ones who need the vaccine
This article has a very narrow view about the risks involved getting the virus. From what I know here in Israel, people who were infected and ” recovered” some have side effects. The best for the planet we live in is to get vaccinated so that we would get heard immunity.
Here in Israel (9 million people) about 2 million people hot the first vaccine’s shot, and desperately are waiting for the 2nd shot. We implement the green passport; if you got a vaccine, you could be free to enter s theatre, hotel…
So our freedom depends now on whether we have it or not. I think the world is stepping toward this direction.
This is an utter non sense article. Mr Jay, I really doubt your degree. Shame on you to spread such confusion in public. If this is so, you should not have given polio vaccine to your kid. When it comes to your family, you follow utmost safety, but for others all this idiotic philosophies. Shame on you
I support every word written in this article.
Totally baseless article written by some anti national.
What nonsense are you talking? Do you even have scientific proof to back up what you are saying?
Don’t you know that studies have proven that antibodies last between 2 weeks to months after you recover from Covidh? Who are you to make these claims? Let a scientist talk – someone who knows what they are saying.
Antibodies produced by B celks alone are not enough. T cell memory is also required to kill viruses hiding in cells .
It looks like the author took GOI’s policy and wrote it as an opinion piece.
Great article!!! Completely agree with each point…
What a damn Click bait!!!
After a unorganised title
It appears the article is based on assumptions! I am really searching for test to measure Immunity level in a healthy individual it will immensely help in taking necessary doses of Immunity Boosters?
There is no scientific definition of what is good or bad immunity. All you can get is immune cell counts from testing. Doctors in India cannot interpret your immunity level by just looking at these cell counts.
You cannot prove immune boosters work even if you measured your cell counts. Ayush ministry has not yet published any scientific evidence on these boosters.
It is dangerous to say just now that most Indians are immune to the Covid 19 virus. Our current death rate per million population is under 150. Elsewhere there are countries where the feath rate per million of the population is well over 1000! Let’s not count our chickens. Best to vaccinate those most at risk…
Lol.. typical indian Mindset ..
Just give up when it’s about to get real ..But then again the ‘homemade’ vaccine we are pushing has such low efficacy and have not even set forth the safety details ..
Our mindset will primed to be anti Vax.
We all suffered in 2020 ,Some of us died .. only for these guys to push random bogus as ‘natural immunity’ ,Sero surveys are useless when you map it only from metro cities or even towns when majority of your population lies in underdeveloped areas where no one even heard of this thing ..Moreover idk where is this 50% figure is even coming out of even if we take to lose 10 people for 1 confirmed case (assuming no reinfection)(and the state of testing is pretty ok now ) that puts us at still 17 % of the population infected .. ..India! I mean …
Even if you double that no. To account for our “indian” attitude of slacking off ..it’s still 34% and herd immunity is achieved around 60-70% ,moreover now that the cases are Actually going down due to several prevention measures, the vaccination drive makes sense to prevent Actual deaths ,Human lives are not Statistics…
Only those vaccine should be approved though whose safety data is sound ..by far only modrna and astrazenca comes to mind.
Even in USA, covid recovered patients will be getting vaccine 3 months after recovery. Relatively less likely that it will cause any severer harm.
6much better than any vaccine that has been approved at present . The Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines trigger the body’s immunity to the spike protein only unlike natural immunity which is a broader immune response to the overall surface proteins of th virus. Covaxin comes closest to natural immunity but it’s data is still not available for public to understand how effective and safe it is.
IT’S A RUBBISH ARTICLE. TO MANIPULATE PEOPLES . AND YOU ARE ALSO COWARD LIKE THEM. BULLSHIT ARTICLE.
Your friend has post Covid long haul issues – brain fog, fatigue etc. It does not matter whether it is mild or severe infection. What matters is how an individual’s immune system responds and how much the body reverts back to homeostasis. Some people’s bodies just take a long time to recover and some do not recover at all.
Vaccinating does not mean one cannot get infected. If anyone gets infected even after vaccination they can still develop those long hauler symptoms during recovery phase. The only point of vaccination is to prevent an infection moving one’s body towards severe or life-threatening stage.
The article has many factual inaccuracies. Neither US nor the UK has imposed a strict lockdown. International travel is being permitted and schools are open. Restaurants, pubs, and Christmas shopping were all kept open. Even places of worship have been kept open. This weak lockdown is considered to be one of the primary reasons for Covid having made a strong comeback. Considering that there are such gross inaccuracies in the write up it is hard to believe the rest of it including the conclusion that vaccination is pointless in India.
A very very absurd opinion piece. The aunties would atleast agree to the studies on lungs if infected people. Which “flu” does that too the lungs? This is just one counter argument. The amount of mischief in this article is not even with condemning! A young completely healthy friend of mine still feels the weakness even after two months post recovery.
Why are laymen talking about efficacy of vaccines? I think it is irresponsible of Print to publish this.
This is a problematic view and a very serious topic. Please do another cut the clutter on this subject again. P