I get it that it should be Ramadan because in Arabic, it’s a ‘d’ not a ‘z’. Whereas in Persian and Hindi a ‘z’ got added. But why is there an extra ‘a’ sound before ‘d’ which is not there before ‘z’?
Rizwan explains with an analogy that when he introduces himself to someone Arabic, he says Ridwan as his name not Rizwan. I get that. But why is his name not Ridawan then? If someone is called Humza, in the Gulf he would be Humda or Humada?
What Ridwan does not explain here is that it’s not as if there is no ‘z’ in Arabic, or that all ‘z’ become ‘d’ when spoken in Arabic. Because a Zafar will be called Zafar even in Arabic. Saffron will never be called Daffraan. There is a place called Al-Muzahmiya just outside Riyadh which is not pronounced Al-Mudahmiya.
We used to say Ramzaan not Ramazaan. So that ‘a’ before ‘d’ was dropped when it got converted from Ramadaan to Ramzaan.
Because my brother zaffran contain letter ز which sound “z” and Zafar contains letter ظ which also sounds similar to”z”. So, please check arabic language before thinking it from one side.
Complete nonsense, globalisation and all. Muslims use Ramdan instead of Ramadan because it feels good to them; as indians feel good and consider better every thing that is imported. Second, Televangelists and Wahabism has much influence. Author’s view is complete whitewashing the facts.
Useless controversy linking the use of correct Arabic pronunciation to so- called Wahhabism. In Urdu Ramzan is still valid but Ramadan in Arabic is more appropriate.If you spell restaurant in French style and correctly you are not accused of fundamentalism.It seems Burkha is in search of issues to be seen even-handed.
The author’s argument on ‘language on the move’ is sound and perhaps the main reason for this change. Allah has been an integral part of communication in the Indian subcontinent. Just two examples:.’Hai Allah’; ‘Allah tumble salamat rakhe’. Also, any Indian (Hindus included) working in the Middle-East will say ‘Ramadaan’ and ‘Insha-Allah’ with as much ease as ‘Good Morning’ or ‘Namaskar’.
This is a completely rubbish and unnecessary allegation that pronouncing Ramadan is linked to spread of Wahhabism or it showed Indian Muslims’ inclination towards Arab culture. I am surprised that self-proclaimed liberals like Bakha Dutt are peddling this propaganda. The usage of Ramdan is limited to only Facebook posts and Whatsapp forwards. In verbal communication, Indians still say Ramzaan. Moreover, in rural areas of eastern UP, Bihar, Jharkhand and in entire Bengal people even say RAMJAAN instead of Ramzaan or Ramadan. And linking Allah Hafiz with Arabs is the height of ignorance. Arabs never say Allah Hafiz, moreover the rule of conjugation used here has been taken from Urdu/Hindi; it is alien to Arabic language. For good bye – Arabs use “Fi Aman Allah” or “Allah Ahfezak Ma’Assalama”… Interestingly, there is no raging debate on the usage of DIPAWALI instead of the more popular DIWALI and VIJAYDASHMI instead of DUSSEHRA… !!!
Err….. In South India it was always Deepawali never Diwali. As for Dushera it was always Vijayadashmi in South India. In fact different regions in India have local names for the same festival.
Writer forgot that word is just use as metaphor to discribe the wahabi influence on Indian Muslim. You are saying that due to migration to Arab world this happen. I am asking one question Muslim are living in India since 1000 years how much their culture affected by local tradition and culture. It is not ramdan or ramzan but belief that whatever Arab Muslim do,speak ,wear are symbool of true muslamam.is trivializing.
Why the fuss about ….. Why the religion is being discussed when it’s personal to everyone….. The writer has wrongly made it a debatable issue by quoting “some vested interests to corner Muslims”……. Who is cornering Muslims Sir…. The firstly it’s quoted by Tarek Fateh and then by so called Secular media people like Barkha Dutt who is married to Kashmiri Muslims over the years……. Then who is cornering Muslims with vested interests…… The rise of right wing in India has given a tool to so called Sikulars, Leftists media to beat with….. The writer is Qatar based and may not be knowing the nitty gritty of Indian politics which has become so much vicious that everything wronged with Muslims, is attributed to Right Wing’s rise, which is not the case, atleast here. In nutshell, in the hot political debate over Muslims Vs. every other religion world over, it is better not to discuss controversial issues in the media in order to die the issue it’s own death….. Otherwise, the people with little knowledge or with vested interests take advantage of the situation….. Yesterday only, the writer might have seen an article by one so called Sikular/Leftist/Liberad/Lutyens Love Boy, on the shortage of RoohAfza in Indian market giving the impression that it might have created by the present Right Wing Govt of India….. Immediately after that, the so called Sikulars’ brigade started retweeting his article as if there is no other issue on the earth….. Poverty hunger farmers etc. have been resolved and only RoohAfza is required now……. My sincere request not to discuss religion at all which is personal issue….
I get it that it should be Ramadan because in Arabic, it’s a ‘d’ not a ‘z’. Whereas in Persian and Hindi a ‘z’ got added. But why is there an extra ‘a’ sound before ‘d’ which is not there before ‘z’?
Rizwan explains with an analogy that when he introduces himself to someone Arabic, he says Ridwan as his name not Rizwan. I get that. But why is his name not Ridawan then? If someone is called Humza, in the Gulf he would be Humda or Humada?
What Ridwan does not explain here is that it’s not as if there is no ‘z’ in Arabic, or that all ‘z’ become ‘d’ when spoken in Arabic. Because a Zafar will be called Zafar even in Arabic. Saffron will never be called Daffraan. There is a place called Al-Muzahmiya just outside Riyadh which is not pronounced Al-Mudahmiya.
We used to say Ramzaan not Ramazaan. So that ‘a’ before ‘d’ was dropped when it got converted from Ramadaan to Ramzaan.
Because my brother zaffran contain letter ز which sound “z” and Zafar contains letter ظ which also sounds similar to”z”. So, please check arabic language before thinking it from one side.
Complete nonsense, globalisation and all. Muslims use Ramdan instead of Ramadan because it feels good to them; as indians feel good and consider better every thing that is imported. Second, Televangelists and Wahabism has much influence. Author’s view is complete whitewashing the facts.
Useless controversy linking the use of correct Arabic pronunciation to so- called Wahhabism. In Urdu Ramzan is still valid but Ramadan in Arabic is more appropriate.If you spell restaurant in French style and correctly you are not accused of fundamentalism.It seems Burkha is in search of issues to be seen even-handed.
Ridhwan or Rizwan Yourself?
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Very interesting article and yes we – the people of subcontinent should stick to their own language – Ramzan. No need to be influenced by the Arabs.
The author’s argument on ‘language on the move’ is sound and perhaps the main reason for this change. Allah has been an integral part of communication in the Indian subcontinent. Just two examples:.’Hai Allah’; ‘Allah tumble salamat rakhe’. Also, any Indian (Hindus included) working in the Middle-East will say ‘Ramadaan’ and ‘Insha-Allah’ with as much ease as ‘Good Morning’ or ‘Namaskar’.
This is a completely rubbish and unnecessary allegation that pronouncing Ramadan is linked to spread of Wahhabism or it showed Indian Muslims’ inclination towards Arab culture. I am surprised that self-proclaimed liberals like Bakha Dutt are peddling this propaganda. The usage of Ramdan is limited to only Facebook posts and Whatsapp forwards. In verbal communication, Indians still say Ramzaan. Moreover, in rural areas of eastern UP, Bihar, Jharkhand and in entire Bengal people even say RAMJAAN instead of Ramzaan or Ramadan. And linking Allah Hafiz with Arabs is the height of ignorance. Arabs never say Allah Hafiz, moreover the rule of conjugation used here has been taken from Urdu/Hindi; it is alien to Arabic language. For good bye – Arabs use “Fi Aman Allah” or “Allah Ahfezak Ma’Assalama”… Interestingly, there is no raging debate on the usage of DIPAWALI instead of the more popular DIWALI and VIJAYDASHMI instead of DUSSEHRA… !!!
Err….. In South India it was always Deepawali never Diwali. As for Dushera it was always Vijayadashmi in South India. In fact different regions in India have local names for the same festival.
Writer forgot that word is just use as metaphor to discribe the wahabi influence on Indian Muslim. You are saying that due to migration to Arab world this happen. I am asking one question Muslim are living in India since 1000 years how much their culture affected by local tradition and culture. It is not ramdan or ramzan but belief that whatever Arab Muslim do,speak ,wear are symbool of true muslamam.is trivializing.
Why the fuss about ….. Why the religion is being discussed when it’s personal to everyone….. The writer has wrongly made it a debatable issue by quoting “some vested interests to corner Muslims”……. Who is cornering Muslims Sir…. The firstly it’s quoted by Tarek Fateh and then by so called Secular media people like Barkha Dutt who is married to Kashmiri Muslims over the years……. Then who is cornering Muslims with vested interests…… The rise of right wing in India has given a tool to so called Sikulars, Leftists media to beat with….. The writer is Qatar based and may not be knowing the nitty gritty of Indian politics which has become so much vicious that everything wronged with Muslims, is attributed to Right Wing’s rise, which is not the case, atleast here. In nutshell, in the hot political debate over Muslims Vs. every other religion world over, it is better not to discuss controversial issues in the media in order to die the issue it’s own death….. Otherwise, the people with little knowledge or with vested interests take advantage of the situation….. Yesterday only, the writer might have seen an article by one so called Sikular/Leftist/Liberad/Lutyens Love Boy, on the shortage of RoohAfza in Indian market giving the impression that it might have created by the present Right Wing Govt of India….. Immediately after that, the so called Sikulars’ brigade started retweeting his article as if there is no other issue on the earth….. Poverty hunger farmers etc. have been resolved and only RoohAfza is required now……. My sincere request not to discuss religion at all which is personal issue….