Jaithirth ‘Jerry’ Rao is a retired entrepreneur who lives in Lonavala. He has published three books: ‘Notes from an Indian Conservative’, ‘The Indian Conservative’, and ‘Economist Gandhi’.
Only India interest and too wrong analysis. This is only a side of story which India wants to sell. It has already exposed itself in front of world when it blocked freedom, migrated pandora to create kashmir a Hindu/Muslim issue and what not. I am only worried about how some people limit Britishers as occupiers and regard them self as Saints.
Kashmir will be free no matter whether you and I will be able to see it during our times or not.
Only India interest and too wrong analysis. This is only a side of story which India wants to sell. It has already exposed itself in front of world when it blocked freedom, migrated pandora to create kashmir a Hindu/Muslim issue and what not. I am only worried about how some people limit Britishers as occupiers and regard them self as Saints.
Kashmir will be free no matter whether you and I will be able to see it during our times or not.
Only India interest and too wrong analysis. This is only a side of story which India wants to sell. It has already exposed itself in front of world when it blocked freedom, migrated pandora to create kashmir a Hindu/Muslim issue and what not. I am only worried about how some people limit Britishers as occupiers and regard them self as Saints.
Kashmir will be free no matter whether you and I will be able to see it during our times or not.
Kudos to Jaithirth!
The ambition of Kashmiri Muslims has been to convert the Valley into an Islamist entity since ages but they had partial success when they forcibly converted Kashmiri Pandits into their religion. History is witness to this. Kashmiri Pandits’ exodus in 1990 happened for the 7th time. But this time they took the help of Pakistan and with them committed brutalities, rapes and forcibly occupied their properties.
Their motive is again partially successful as anywhere in Valley you will observe that it is 100% Islamist. Sufism is gone and Mosques and blurring loudspeakers sounding narratives 24×7 against India and non-muslims. From A to Z it smells of Islam with no other religion seen in proximity.
But they are perhaps befooling themselves when they ask for autonomy because if at all it happens even in their wild dreams Pakistan will not allow them to remain so. He already had tried it in 1947. That time again they will seek refuge from India or else parish permanently.
Our Govt has to do a lot by making them aware about this fact. Not only this but the Jammu Region has to play a dynamic role to tell them that J&k is not just the valley but it includes the bigger Jammu region as well which neither wants islamisation nor autonomy.
In this the Govt of India has so far failed. It should take all measures to dilute the thinking of Kashmiri Sunni Muslims by all means. One important measure is to send back Kashmiri Pandits and involve them actively in this process. They know them, their language and above all their lifestyle.
To the point. I have never visited THEPRINT. But reading this through external site I visited THEPRINT to know who wrote this article and the need to appreciate
Kudos Mr.Rao
Fantastic article! This (tenet of self determination based on self proclaimed identity) is exactly what is wrong with Kashmir issue. What if tomorrow a sizable chunk of Kashmiri poulation converts to Christianity and demands right to self determination because they no longer identify with local culture? Will the Kashmiri state agree to those demands? Even if you break down your states in autonomous regions, there is still going to be minority population in each of them. It’s turtles all the way.
I think as long as the constitution of a nation guarantees individual rights and the population has freedom to select Representatives at Center who can speak for them, self determination does not make sense.
Interesting thoughts and agree with Jaytirth. If only so called Kashmiri ruling class had shown equal concern for autonomy for Ladakh and Jammu regions, minority status for Hindus and Buddhist in J&K and ability and willingness to work strictly within the framework of instrument of Accession, it would have made a lot of case for continuation of Art 370. Azadi was never the option in any case.
Ok, you are trying to be polite. That’s fine.
This is pure Jihad land conquest scheme.
The dumb idiot enablers of this Jihad shed tears that the people in the valley are “oppressed”. The security forces were there because of the large scale violence.. RDX bombs, machine guns, ethnic cleansing and murder of people if anyone disagrees with them. Anyone who disagreed with the terrorists and wrote or said something they faced death. “Democracy” for You.
The valley has become Wahabi Sunni extremist hell hole. Thanks to the neighbor.
Why check the route to a village one has no desire to visit, as Jaswant Singh would have said in Rajasthani. No territorial change is possible. With the external dimension having been secured, time to focus on improving the lives of ordinary Kashmiris. The validation of these recent constitutional changes lies in an improved security situation, a less oppressive presence of armed personnel, more tourists visiting the Valley, investment, job creation. The next five years should be better than the previous five.
Exactly but population in all three regions is being fooled by politicians by showing them unrealistic dreams. Indian politicians keep promising our population about taking back POK. Pakistani politicians do the same. Same with Kashmiri politicians who keep on showing false dreams of independence to their population. The fact is, no transfer of land is possible through dialogue. No politician will give away anything on discussion table. After 1998/99 it is no longer possible to gain a single inch of land through military action. The only practical coarse of anction and most probable future is converting current LOC to international border. focus of politicians in all 3 regions should be in conveying this reality to their population. It will save a lots of lives and time.
This is a well analysed article. But while Wilsonian self-determinatiom isn’t a perfect guarantor of resolving disputes, I wish to submit that it has its place.
Take for instance the Brits justifying colonial rule in 1920s on the basis that exit from India would only mean take-over by princes, upper caste domination and communal cauldron- all the while ignoring the rapacious economic exploitation, racism and suppression they themselves engaged in. Surely you will concede that the conduct of the Indian state in J&K has been less than ideal?
Only India interest and too wrong analysis. This is only a side of story which India wants to sell. It has already exposed itself in front of world when it blocked freedom, migrated pandora to create kashmir a Hindu/Muslim issue and what not. I am only worried about how some people limit Britishers as occupiers and regard them self as Saints.
Kashmir will be free no matter whether you and I will be able to see it during our times or not.
Only India interest and too wrong analysis. This is only a side of story which India wants to sell. It has already exposed itself in front of world when it blocked freedom, migrated pandora to create kashmir a Hindu/Muslim issue and what not. I am only worried about how some people limit Britishers as occupiers and regard them self as Saints.
Kashmir will be free no matter whether you and I will be able to see it during our times or not.
Only India interest and too wrong analysis. This is only a side of story which India wants to sell. It has already exposed itself in front of world when it blocked freedom, migrated pandora to create kashmir a Hindu/Muslim issue and what not. I am only worried about how some people limit Britishers as occupiers and regard them self as Saints.
Kashmir will be free no matter whether you and I will be able to see it during our times or not.
Kudos to Jaithirth!
The ambition of Kashmiri Muslims has been to convert the Valley into an Islamist entity since ages but they had partial success when they forcibly converted Kashmiri Pandits into their religion. History is witness to this. Kashmiri Pandits’ exodus in 1990 happened for the 7th time. But this time they took the help of Pakistan and with them committed brutalities, rapes and forcibly occupied their properties.
Their motive is again partially successful as anywhere in Valley you will observe that it is 100% Islamist. Sufism is gone and Mosques and blurring loudspeakers sounding narratives 24×7 against India and non-muslims. From A to Z it smells of Islam with no other religion seen in proximity.
But they are perhaps befooling themselves when they ask for autonomy because if at all it happens even in their wild dreams Pakistan will not allow them to remain so. He already had tried it in 1947. That time again they will seek refuge from India or else parish permanently.
Our Govt has to do a lot by making them aware about this fact. Not only this but the Jammu Region has to play a dynamic role to tell them that J&k is not just the valley but it includes the bigger Jammu region as well which neither wants islamisation nor autonomy.
In this the Govt of India has so far failed. It should take all measures to dilute the thinking of Kashmiri Sunni Muslims by all means. One important measure is to send back Kashmiri Pandits and involve them actively in this process. They know them, their language and above all their lifestyle.
To the point. I have never visited THEPRINT. But reading this through external site I visited THEPRINT to know who wrote this article and the need to appreciate
Kudos Mr.Rao
Brilliant article. Should be made compulsory reading for all compulsive pseudo secularists.
Fantastic article! This (tenet of self determination based on self proclaimed identity) is exactly what is wrong with Kashmir issue. What if tomorrow a sizable chunk of Kashmiri poulation converts to Christianity and demands right to self determination because they no longer identify with local culture? Will the Kashmiri state agree to those demands? Even if you break down your states in autonomous regions, there is still going to be minority population in each of them. It’s turtles all the way.
I think as long as the constitution of a nation guarantees individual rights and the population has freedom to select Representatives at Center who can speak for them, self determination does not make sense.
Interesting thoughts and agree with Jaytirth. If only so called Kashmiri ruling class had shown equal concern for autonomy for Ladakh and Jammu regions, minority status for Hindus and Buddhist in J&K and ability and willingness to work strictly within the framework of instrument of Accession, it would have made a lot of case for continuation of Art 370. Azadi was never the option in any case.
What a wonderful article. Great synthesis. Thank you.
Ok, you are trying to be polite. That’s fine.
This is pure Jihad land conquest scheme.
The dumb idiot enablers of this Jihad shed tears that the people in the valley are “oppressed”. The security forces were there because of the large scale violence.. RDX bombs, machine guns, ethnic cleansing and murder of people if anyone disagrees with them. Anyone who disagreed with the terrorists and wrote or said something they faced death. “Democracy” for You.
The valley has become Wahabi Sunni extremist hell hole. Thanks to the neighbor.
Why check the route to a village one has no desire to visit, as Jaswant Singh would have said in Rajasthani. No territorial change is possible. With the external dimension having been secured, time to focus on improving the lives of ordinary Kashmiris. The validation of these recent constitutional changes lies in an improved security situation, a less oppressive presence of armed personnel, more tourists visiting the Valley, investment, job creation. The next five years should be better than the previous five.
Exactly but population in all three regions is being fooled by politicians by showing them unrealistic dreams. Indian politicians keep promising our population about taking back POK. Pakistani politicians do the same. Same with Kashmiri politicians who keep on showing false dreams of independence to their population. The fact is, no transfer of land is possible through dialogue. No politician will give away anything on discussion table. After 1998/99 it is no longer possible to gain a single inch of land through military action. The only practical coarse of anction and most probable future is converting current LOC to international border. focus of politicians in all 3 regions should be in conveying this reality to their population. It will save a lots of lives and time.
This is a well analysed article. But while Wilsonian self-determinatiom isn’t a perfect guarantor of resolving disputes, I wish to submit that it has its place.
Take for instance the Brits justifying colonial rule in 1920s on the basis that exit from India would only mean take-over by princes, upper caste domination and communal cauldron- all the while ignoring the rapacious economic exploitation, racism and suppression they themselves engaged in. Surely you will concede that the conduct of the Indian state in J&K has been less than ideal?