Indonesaian Muslims have no problem with Ram, because they have changed their religion but not their ancestors. But Indian muslims look for their ancestors among arab and turk invaders and clouts.
Well written sir. You have given it a thought and looked at it from a progressive angle and not from a defensive or offensive angle as is often the case. It is the need of the hour to have progressive and open minded leadership to propagate a better understanding and acceptance of the two cultures. It would be invaluable to our country’s future even if we could eliminate the fundamental distrust and dislike (if I may) that exists between many of the two faiths. Religious and thought leaders can do immense positive work towards this end. The destructive and short term benefits of inflaming passions to meet political goals wins most times over the long term benefits of creating an educated trust and brotherhood, created out of matured thinking, openness, pragmatism and a progressive “nation first” approach.
Well written sir. I hope your article gets more traction and reaches more people, specially to the followers of these patron-clients belonging to both the communities.
A serious introspection is definitely needed here which can only be done when one considers questioning their beliefs. After all, it is the fundamental difference between both communities, one thinks it knows everything while the other treats nothing as an absolute truth giving it room for improvisation. It is inadequate to term hindu as “Tolerant”, as to tolerate something is to believe that it is not welcomed and utterly painful to live with. “Acceptance” (towards reasonable idea) is the right characteristic that which is practiced and has been reflected in the examples of the article.
I believe even right now we have Muslim intellectual whom their community can look up to for right guidance but for that they must make an effort to let go the mind set they currently exhibit.
Peaceful and harmonious coexistence is something we all desire.
Firstly, Why need only Rammohan & Ambedkar… Muslims also need their own savarkar, Godse & Hedgewar …
Is not??
Secondly, If by fate of accident , hindu left & Muslim communalists has some convergence , that can not be resisted by another patron-client relation between I.K. Bharati & BJP… plain & Simple…
Thirdly, Hindu liberals or lefts never support Muslim orthodox’s intransigence regarding Same-sex relation ..
This proves that Hindu left support Musim on case-bycase basis, not in toto..
1. Don’t they need Savarkar, Godse or Hedgewar? No, they should not. Savarkar and Hedgewar epitomises the appreciation of political Hinduism, or Hindutva as an imperative for the nation. If you are asking for Muslim counterparts of these personalities, you can observe that they had it before. That’s why we have this our “friendly” western neighbour- Pakistan. If you are again looking for such figures fpr Muslims, you are looking for that i wrong place, not in India please, sir.
2. Your terminology of “commumalist” is inherently biased and fallacious. Muslim communalists are those who identified Islam as a seperate nation in themselves “exclusively from Hindus, representing a part of pan-Islamic identity”(this part is very important). Its’s ideological and theological formulations date back to ealy 18th century or even before, in the form of dar-ul-harb vs dar ul Islam concepts put forth in Indian context by people like Shah Waliyullah. Later it was expounded in a political spehere, initially by Sir Syed and later by Muhammed Iqbal, Jinnah and others.
The so-called Hindu “communalism” as we discern w.r.t. Muslim-Hindu dynamics of Savarkar or Hedgewar only emerged as an stream of thought which unapologetically underscored the “Hindu civilisational nature” of India uncompromisingly. But mind it, its concetion was never exclusivist like dar-ul-Islam idea, but assimilationist to the extent of expecting Muslims to respect, appreciate and be a part of Hindu civilisation if they are to be here (as opposed to Sir Syed and others’s Muslims as successors of Mughals are destined-to-rule complex). How on earth are these two the same?
3. Hindu liberals don’t support Islamic orthadoxy’s position on same sex relations, seriously? Get real, we are living at a time when global-left sponsered LGBTQ groups conduct pro-Hamas rallies. You need Indian example? Just go back and read how centre-left UPA govt. was lukewarm in supporting decreminalisation of homosexuality in court. And recent example, how Communist govt. in Kerala was reluctant in supporting legalisation of same sex marriage. Face it, prospective dividends from the left-Islamic alliance is fruitful to these idealogical disparities.
Truth hurts, right sir. Your whole reaction is classic example of ‘admit nothing, deny everything and make counter accusations’. Because you don’t want reconciliation. Why don’t you preach your liberalism in Middle East? And go to your masters to tell that it would be better for them to understand this article wholly or face irrelevance. No more Left Islamic liberalism at the expense of Hindus.
Muslims vote in one unit for one particular party in the name of religion so they always got their demands fulfilled, but the party is over now for these kattar jihadis
Indonesaian Muslims have no problem with Ram, because they have changed their religion but not their ancestors. But Indian muslims look for their ancestors among arab and turk invaders and clouts.
Well written sir. You have given it a thought and looked at it from a progressive angle and not from a defensive or offensive angle as is often the case. It is the need of the hour to have progressive and open minded leadership to propagate a better understanding and acceptance of the two cultures. It would be invaluable to our country’s future even if we could eliminate the fundamental distrust and dislike (if I may) that exists between many of the two faiths. Religious and thought leaders can do immense positive work towards this end. The destructive and short term benefits of inflaming passions to meet political goals wins most times over the long term benefits of creating an educated trust and brotherhood, created out of matured thinking, openness, pragmatism and a progressive “nation first” approach.
Well written sir. I hope your article gets more traction and reaches more people, specially to the followers of these patron-clients belonging to both the communities.
A serious introspection is definitely needed here which can only be done when one considers questioning their beliefs. After all, it is the fundamental difference between both communities, one thinks it knows everything while the other treats nothing as an absolute truth giving it room for improvisation. It is inadequate to term hindu as “Tolerant”, as to tolerate something is to believe that it is not welcomed and utterly painful to live with. “Acceptance” (towards reasonable idea) is the right characteristic that which is practiced and has been reflected in the examples of the article.
I believe even right now we have Muslim intellectual whom their community can look up to for right guidance but for that they must make an effort to let go the mind set they currently exhibit.
Peaceful and harmonious coexistence is something we all desire.
Firstly, Why need only Rammohan & Ambedkar… Muslims also need their own savarkar, Godse & Hedgewar …
Is not??
Secondly, If by fate of accident , hindu left & Muslim communalists has some convergence , that can not be resisted by another patron-client relation between I.K. Bharati & BJP… plain & Simple…
Thirdly, Hindu liberals or lefts never support Muslim orthodox’s intransigence regarding Same-sex relation ..
This proves that Hindu left support Musim on case-bycase basis, not in toto..
1. Don’t they need Savarkar, Godse or Hedgewar? No, they should not. Savarkar and Hedgewar epitomises the appreciation of political Hinduism, or Hindutva as an imperative for the nation. If you are asking for Muslim counterparts of these personalities, you can observe that they had it before. That’s why we have this our “friendly” western neighbour- Pakistan. If you are again looking for such figures fpr Muslims, you are looking for that i wrong place, not in India please, sir.
2. Your terminology of “commumalist” is inherently biased and fallacious. Muslim communalists are those who identified Islam as a seperate nation in themselves “exclusively from Hindus, representing a part of pan-Islamic identity”(this part is very important). Its’s ideological and theological formulations date back to ealy 18th century or even before, in the form of dar-ul-harb vs dar ul Islam concepts put forth in Indian context by people like Shah Waliyullah. Later it was expounded in a political spehere, initially by Sir Syed and later by Muhammed Iqbal, Jinnah and others.
The so-called Hindu “communalism” as we discern w.r.t. Muslim-Hindu dynamics of Savarkar or Hedgewar only emerged as an stream of thought which unapologetically underscored the “Hindu civilisational nature” of India uncompromisingly. But mind it, its concetion was never exclusivist like dar-ul-Islam idea, but assimilationist to the extent of expecting Muslims to respect, appreciate and be a part of Hindu civilisation if they are to be here (as opposed to Sir Syed and others’s Muslims as successors of Mughals are destined-to-rule complex). How on earth are these two the same?
3. Hindu liberals don’t support Islamic orthadoxy’s position on same sex relations, seriously? Get real, we are living at a time when global-left sponsered LGBTQ groups conduct pro-Hamas rallies. You need Indian example? Just go back and read how centre-left UPA govt. was lukewarm in supporting decreminalisation of homosexuality in court. And recent example, how Communist govt. in Kerala was reluctant in supporting legalisation of same sex marriage. Face it, prospective dividends from the left-Islamic alliance is fruitful to these idealogical disparities.
Truth hurts, right sir. Your whole reaction is classic example of ‘admit nothing, deny everything and make counter accusations’. Because you don’t want reconciliation. Why don’t you preach your liberalism in Middle East? And go to your masters to tell that it would be better for them to understand this article wholly or face irrelevance. No more Left Islamic liberalism at the expense of Hindus.
Muslims vote in one unit for one particular party in the name of religion so they always got their demands fulfilled, but the party is over now for these kattar jihadis