No doubt, this article states the realistic facts and does bring forth the main problems plaguing the Muslims of India, lack of education and economic backwardness. As said by the writer, Muslims indeed have to get their act together and aim for more educated and economically stable community.
Hmmm.. So intimidated poor Muslims should chant some goddess personification nonsense so your meat export can keep chugging along in Hindu Rashtra . Par for the course I guess. ‘Inquilab Zindabad’ is good enough for most us Sir, but get this loud and clear. No citizen under the Indian constitution is under any obligation to chant or say anything to prove their patriotism, except oaths before a constitutional authority. And certainly not to dance to the tune of intimating lynch mob wielding demagogues. Constitutional values are not open to malleability by malleable muslims either and frankly its not a question of muslimhood, its a question of fabric of nationhood.
Weltergeist, As a Muslim I grew up with the majority community, it might sound like that old clique but they were my best friends. I did not face discrimination from them only friendship, help and advice. Their homes were similar to mine they were good god fearing people just like us Muslims and sometimes better people.
But as a minority community what are we to do? The majority community overwhelmingly has voted for the fascism, they were perfectly aware of what they voted for, they voted for the decisive politics of the RSS, they voted despite the lynchings AND most voted because of it, they voted to put us in our place as second class citizens, the economy their own well being and welfare was not a consideration.
Terrible atrocities are happening in Kashmir, it is the people there who who rebel, it’s no longer from across the border, the militants there are being wiped out, as you put it in your post exterminated, but it takes 350,000 army and security forces to manage this insurgency. Kashmir is the most militarised place on earth, in an effort to keep a once docile people down.
There are vast tracts of India where the writ of our government does not run and is controlled by the Maoists this is even a greater security threat.
But you are right, The Indian Muslim in mainland India who resorts to militancy will be exterminated and for sure thousands will be, but then he will be exterminated fighting for his self respect, rather then be massacred in a riot.
Surely you are not suggesting, we sit on our hands and do nothing, we wait meekly in our own country as second class citizens, until the majority choose to become more liberal like yourself, we wait for Democrats like yourself to educate the masses and liberate us Muslims from tyranny a few generations down the road??
This insidious ideology of Golwalker and Savakar has permeated deep into the fabric of Indian society and thinking, into most of our institutions, it has gone too far, the electoral process will not bring the change.
Muslim, stand up for your rights. Do not be meek and accept injustice. Do not live in fear amongst the shadows. It is about time a more militant Muslim emerged, , we are part of the soil of India and it’s better to die in glory than be humiliated.
The Indian Muslim nation should awake, just a the BJP polarises the majority, our community now bands together. Not afraid of those who have gathered around united by hatred of us, not afraid of those who beat and lynch us, not afraid but happy with the though of our future victory, for we have a more powerful ideology in Islam. Our faith in the almighty will liberate our honour and in the process make us not fear death but rather welcome it with joy.
There is no future or life or purpose for the present Muslim youth to waste unemployed and unburnished not to shine in use , we must gather under the holy book revealed by the messenger and fight those who seek to humiliate us. For it by our beliefs and the example of the martyrs, we embrace our fellow Muslim brothers and In brotherhood come together in the struggle and with the power of the almighty in our veins we will be invincible.
More militant? You are falling exactly into the trap that #ChanakyaRashtra is laying for you. All militants will be exterminated. I speak as an atheist patriot.
The reasons that had lead to partition of India in 1947 still exist. Unless Indian Muslims start believing that India is their ancestors’ country and they should love the Indian culture rather than try to look and behave Arabic, the feeling that Muslims are a separate nation would continue to exist in India and keep Muslims in boxes labelled as other Indians. A part of this problem is the way the Quran is taught to Muslim children and the way Muslims are segregated in politics.
1. This is a thought-provoking article. In context of what the author says, two questions come to my mind. (a) Why should Muslims in our country use religion for electoral politics? (b) Why can’t they identify with the majority on issues of poverty or democratic rights? 2. Is it not a fact that so-called intellectuals in Indian Muslim communities have very little influence on Muslim masses? Further, I say that the secular credentials of many leaders of Muslim communities in different States, particularly Hindi speaking States, are suspect. 3. One more observation is that the leaders of the Muslim community in our country, most of whom are active in Congress or above regional parties, wish to ensure that the vast majority of poor Muslims, particularly women, are never exposed to modern secular education and to democratic practices. 4. Incidental observation: leaders of Congress (and regional parties like SP, BSP Trinamool Congress, RJD JD(S), NCP and the Communists), who all claim to be opposed to the fundamentalist BJP, have still not shown willingness and courage to oppose the fundamentalists in Indian Muslim community. This fact, I suppose, is one major reason why the educated middle class in our country has moved closer to BJP. Those who are unhappy with fast rise of BJP must not overlook the shift of votes of the educated citizen-voters to BJP and if they do so they will be trusted neither by the Hindus nor Muslims.
If Muslims slow or reverse their population growth, it will solve most of their problems. It will (a) reduce poverty in Muslims and (b) calm down Hindus who are worried about Muslims growing from 8.9% of population in 1947 to 15% in 2011. Learn from Bangladesh, which has brought down its population growth, mainly because its women now work and earn (in textile factories).
If I was PM, I would promise Muslims reservation in police, army education, jobs, protection from cow vigilantes, etc but ask them to promise me one thing: bring down their population growth. Ideally come back to 10-12% of population.
The fault lies 100% with the media who ferret out maulvis with beards to spout controversial statements all for higher TRPs. Saying Bharat Mata ki Jai is not anti Islamic. Except at election rallies of PM Modi how many times do we shout that slogan? To me slowing GDP, high unemployment, farmer distress, NPAs of PSBs, corruption in every day Life are far more important matters. I have dozens of close friends who are Muslims and I am distressed to watch them squirm every time the topic comes up. They are all upright law abiding patriotic citizens who deserve respect. Self restraint by the TV channels will go a long way alleviating this problem.
The question is the spirit and the spontaneity with which something is said. Whether it is BMKJ, Jai Shree Ram or Vande Mataram. Each community is bound together by common codes and observances. It cannot, should not be compelled to say or do something which it finds offensive. In Xinjiang, the authorities compel Uighur Muslims to drink, eat pork, not grow a beard or keep the Roza. A majority must be unsure of itself, insecure if it has to stamp its authority on a minoritythat is going about its life peacefully.
No doubt, this article states the realistic facts and does bring forth the main problems plaguing the Muslims of India, lack of education and economic backwardness. As said by the writer, Muslims indeed have to get their act together and aim for more educated and economically stable community.
Hmmm.. So intimidated poor Muslims should chant some goddess personification nonsense so your meat export can keep chugging along in Hindu Rashtra . Par for the course I guess. ‘Inquilab Zindabad’ is good enough for most us Sir, but get this loud and clear. No citizen under the Indian constitution is under any obligation to chant or say anything to prove their patriotism, except oaths before a constitutional authority. And certainly not to dance to the tune of intimating lynch mob wielding demagogues. Constitutional values are not open to malleability by malleable muslims either and frankly its not a question of muslimhood, its a question of fabric of nationhood.
Weltergeist, As a Muslim I grew up with the majority community, it might sound like that old clique but they were my best friends. I did not face discrimination from them only friendship, help and advice. Their homes were similar to mine they were good god fearing people just like us Muslims and sometimes better people.
But as a minority community what are we to do? The majority community overwhelmingly has voted for the fascism, they were perfectly aware of what they voted for, they voted for the decisive politics of the RSS, they voted despite the lynchings AND most voted because of it, they voted to put us in our place as second class citizens, the economy their own well being and welfare was not a consideration.
Terrible atrocities are happening in Kashmir, it is the people there who who rebel, it’s no longer from across the border, the militants there are being wiped out, as you put it in your post exterminated, but it takes 350,000 army and security forces to manage this insurgency. Kashmir is the most militarised place on earth, in an effort to keep a once docile people down.
There are vast tracts of India where the writ of our government does not run and is controlled by the Maoists this is even a greater security threat.
But you are right, The Indian Muslim in mainland India who resorts to militancy will be exterminated and for sure thousands will be, but then he will be exterminated fighting for his self respect, rather then be massacred in a riot.
Surely you are not suggesting, we sit on our hands and do nothing, we wait meekly in our own country as second class citizens, until the majority choose to become more liberal like yourself, we wait for Democrats like yourself to educate the masses and liberate us Muslims from tyranny a few generations down the road??
This insidious ideology of Golwalker and Savakar has permeated deep into the fabric of Indian society and thinking, into most of our institutions, it has gone too far, the electoral process will not bring the change.
Muslim, stand up for your rights. Do not be meek and accept injustice. Do not live in fear amongst the shadows. It is about time a more militant Muslim emerged, , we are part of the soil of India and it’s better to die in glory than be humiliated.
The Indian Muslim nation should awake, just a the BJP polarises the majority, our community now bands together. Not afraid of those who have gathered around united by hatred of us, not afraid of those who beat and lynch us, not afraid but happy with the though of our future victory, for we have a more powerful ideology in Islam. Our faith in the almighty will liberate our honour and in the process make us not fear death but rather welcome it with joy.
There is no future or life or purpose for the present Muslim youth to waste unemployed and unburnished not to shine in use , we must gather under the holy book revealed by the messenger and fight those who seek to humiliate us. For it by our beliefs and the example of the martyrs, we embrace our fellow Muslim brothers and In brotherhood come together in the struggle and with the power of the almighty in our veins we will be invincible.
More militant? You are falling exactly into the trap that #ChanakyaRashtra is laying for you. All militants will be exterminated. I speak as an atheist patriot.
The reasons that had lead to partition of India in 1947 still exist. Unless Indian Muslims start believing that India is their ancestors’ country and they should love the Indian culture rather than try to look and behave Arabic, the feeling that Muslims are a separate nation would continue to exist in India and keep Muslims in boxes labelled as other Indians. A part of this problem is the way the Quran is taught to Muslim children and the way Muslims are segregated in politics.
1. This is a thought-provoking article. In context of what the author says, two questions come to my mind. (a) Why should Muslims in our country use religion for electoral politics? (b) Why can’t they identify with the majority on issues of poverty or democratic rights? 2. Is it not a fact that so-called intellectuals in Indian Muslim communities have very little influence on Muslim masses? Further, I say that the secular credentials of many leaders of Muslim communities in different States, particularly Hindi speaking States, are suspect. 3. One more observation is that the leaders of the Muslim community in our country, most of whom are active in Congress or above regional parties, wish to ensure that the vast majority of poor Muslims, particularly women, are never exposed to modern secular education and to democratic practices. 4. Incidental observation: leaders of Congress (and regional parties like SP, BSP Trinamool Congress, RJD JD(S), NCP and the Communists), who all claim to be opposed to the fundamentalist BJP, have still not shown willingness and courage to oppose the fundamentalists in Indian Muslim community. This fact, I suppose, is one major reason why the educated middle class in our country has moved closer to BJP. Those who are unhappy with fast rise of BJP must not overlook the shift of votes of the educated citizen-voters to BJP and if they do so they will be trusted neither by the Hindus nor Muslims.
If Muslims slow or reverse their population growth, it will solve most of their problems. It will (a) reduce poverty in Muslims and (b) calm down Hindus who are worried about Muslims growing from 8.9% of population in 1947 to 15% in 2011. Learn from Bangladesh, which has brought down its population growth, mainly because its women now work and earn (in textile factories).
If I was PM, I would promise Muslims reservation in police, army education, jobs, protection from cow vigilantes, etc but ask them to promise me one thing: bring down their population growth. Ideally come back to 10-12% of population.
Are you for real?
Bangladesh has sent 60 million or 6 crores citizens to India. West Bengal and Assam are filled with Bangladeshis.
a welcome positive and
forward looking article.
Indian leftists have brainwashed people into believing that people should depend on the state for their living.
The fault lies 100% with the media who ferret out maulvis with beards to spout controversial statements all for higher TRPs. Saying Bharat Mata ki Jai is not anti Islamic. Except at election rallies of PM Modi how many times do we shout that slogan? To me slowing GDP, high unemployment, farmer distress, NPAs of PSBs, corruption in every day Life are far more important matters. I have dozens of close friends who are Muslims and I am distressed to watch them squirm every time the topic comes up. They are all upright law abiding patriotic citizens who deserve respect. Self restraint by the TV channels will go a long way alleviating this problem.
In order to gain acceptance Muslims could start by allaying fears of others on their breeding rates and by adopting two child norm.
The question is the spirit and the spontaneity with which something is said. Whether it is BMKJ, Jai Shree Ram or Vande Mataram. Each community is bound together by common codes and observances. It cannot, should not be compelled to say or do something which it finds offensive. In Xinjiang, the authorities compel Uighur Muslims to drink, eat pork, not grow a beard or keep the Roza. A majority must be unsure of itself, insecure if it has to stamp its authority on a minoritythat is going about its life peacefully.