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I always feel that the talk of kashmiri people,s desire to maintain their identity is important. It is also said that they are very proud of their identity.
What I don’t understand is ,who is not proud of his /her identity ?
Everybody is. But every Indian is proud to have that identity in the overall identity as an Indian.
This is not because of high sense of patriotism but it is necessity for better living in the world be and better management of resources with more than required independence under the Constitution.
Here if you the geographic location of kashmiri and the season and crop then it is clear that they can not have an independent identity. Their very existence and well being is possible only by becoming part of India.
Actually they were enjoying all the perks from Mainland without any responsibility of contribution.
So this is the kind of identity they want where rest of the country pays for them.
If the Kashmir becomes independent or merges with Pakistan in either case it is Mainland India which will have to support the population like Bangla Desh or Afganistan.
So enough of their identity. They did not think twice before killing and displacing all the pandits and most of the Sikhs from the valley.
It’s high time that they reconcile to the present status which in any case is the best thing that should have happened to them long back.
Very selectively written. There is no research or scholarly discourse in what author has said. It is a well known fact. But he has conveniently ignored the last three decades and the conversion of Kashmir into a radical monolith society through a planned exodus of the Kashmiri Hindus. He has also filed to discuss the role of Abdullahs in spreading separatist ideology despite claiming to be mainstream. Perception of modern day Indians is based on what has happened in last four decades and not on just a few hundred of terrorists as the author claims.
Very well said , desperate attempt of the print to project one sided story favoring terrorist is clearly visible .. One sided article , if it was only about culture how would one explain holocaust of Kashimiri pandits who shared common culture with Kashimiri muslims .. Same Kashmiri muslims on large slaughtered Pandits like Sheeps !!!
Kashmiri muslims owe an apology to Kashmiri pandits for what happened during 1990s when pandits were made to leave their homeland. Although too late now when most of them have settled in their lives after going through hardships of loosing their dwelling place. Even today if I get to meet some Kashmiri pandits anywhere it is a family like feeling, nothing more this ordinary Kashmiri has to say.
The basic problem is that people want a different policy in their states….on grounds of protection of culture/ identity / jobs. But at the same time equal rights in other states. Kannadigas don’t want outsiders in Bangalore. Maharashtrians don’t want outsiders in Mumbai. Those from the north east don’t want outsiders in their home states.
Everyone feels his identity is special.
I wish Gen Panag had brought out the example of the great leveller in India….the Army….no one is special. …everyone works, plays and eats together.
The attitude of Kashmiris of accepting Indian Taxpayers’ money and ‘maintaining their separate identity, is like a beautiful woman,who is being maintained by her husband,is in love with her neighbour and wants to live alone,without being questioned.Never heard people from valley refusing government help.Gen Panag,please remember Kashmiris have also responsibility of integrating with India and change their image with common Indian,which is of a Traitor.
My first impression was that Kashmiris perceived the ‘special status’ as a way to preserve their identity and culture.
The special status had nothing to do with Kashmiri identity and culture. Every state in the union has an identity and culture which is being preserved without a special status.
The Kashmiri Special status was that the money must be given to the state by the taxpayer across the country without asking questions and without being subjected to the laws that the taxpayers lived by.
50 years ago the innocent taxpayer was not aware of this loot connived by the then Government and the Kashmiries under the garb of preserving their identity and culture with a special status. So Army enjoyed people’s confidence and there was No signs of fundamentalism. As the taxpayer became aware the terrorism was encouraged to maintain the status quo otherwise 370 & 35A would have gone long back.
Very well said , desperate attempt of the print to project one sided story favoring terrorist is clearly visible .. One sided article , if it was only about culture how would one explain holocaust of Kashimiri pandits who shared common culture with Kashimiri muslims .. Same Kashmiri muslims on large slaughtered Pandits like Sheeps !!!
I grew up in Srinagar d could see hostility in the minds of shopkeepers even in the years 1955 to 57, they would refuse to show their goods to us and call us Bhahar ka log! Yes alienation was not as strong as we saw it in 1995 but it was there. The water port for the battalion was just a kid then and I saw him as a Mate in 1977, he was caught with a map showing our military deployment!
Every politician played his or her cards to retain power and make money.
The Govts from time to time failed to grasp the situation or merely used it for personal/ political gains.
We are paying for our folies and so are those in Kashmir!
Amazing that Gen. Panag never shared these thoughts while Nehru was demonized for Kashmir Problem! Panag says there was no Kashmir Problem in 1969 which was 5 years after Nehru’s death! This patriotic general just sat back and enjoyed as Nehru was demonized all these years. After the government plunged the nation into irrecoverable crisis by citing lies about Nehru and Kashmir, he remembers so many things!
Obviously an emotional article by the General. While Kashmiris may indeed be having pride in their culture and valued their independence, the fact is they just could not be independent as they are sandwiched between India, Pakistan as well as China and Afghanistan. They had to be part of either India or Pakistan and within that, they could have worked out their autonomy. They had the best offer from India but due to vacillating behaviour and playing Pakistan card and in the recent years, terrorism, they lost all their goodwill with indian people. If India has to protect them and feed them, they can’t expect to clamour for Azadi. If we leave them free, it will be even bigger strategic and security issue for India. So India is left with no choice but to abolish Art 370 finally. Also, Ladakh was suffering as it was clubbed with it. And Jammu is stuck with them to maintain communal balance. Of course, now that Ladakh is separated, and J&K is a UT, we can now offer that the valley and the POK including Gilgit and Baltistan, can be made into a State of Kashmir under the India Union with original Art 370 restored!! That will give us direct access to Afghanistan, control over Chinese footprints and independence to Kashmiris. General would be happy to see Kashmiris enjoy their cultural and political freedom once again with separate flag, constitution and a Prime Minister!! ( And funded by Indian money of course!!
This article doesn’t begin to explain the ethnic cleansing in the valley. The radicalization is part of an international trend that goes back at least 40-50 years, all the way to the oil boom era. There is also a 1000 year history that also won’t go away. Remember even Gandhi couldn’t make Muslims feel secure. After 70 years of reckless rhetoric by the separatists (they existed even during the time of Sheikh Abduallah) which was abetted by the mainstream leadership in the valley, the people of India are fed up. We need to stop telling falsehoods that the Central govt or the Kashmir govt lost the trust of the people, it is the Muslims in Kashmir Valley who lost the trust of Indians everywhere. The onus is on them to rebuild that trust and it isn’t going to come by demanding special rights.
Gen Panag says that he felt Abdullah was no separatist . However in 1953, when Nehru was PM, he was arrested for encouraging separatism. We must remember that Nehru was a person willing to extend the greatest generosity to rebels or others, and even he had to agree to the arrest. We can only conclude that like many Kashmiris, Abdullah too went through different phases – separatism, independence, integration with India etc etc. Another example is Savarkar who went from anti British hero to promising that he would never oppose the British again.
Marathi Manus, Gujarati Asmita, Telugu Atmagauravam, Tamil Pride, Bengal and Odia Culture, Punjabi Valour Rajasthan, MP, Chattisgarh and UP social and religious sentiments, Haryana Caste sentiment and Entire North East ethnic sentiments. If any of this gets effected there would be huge backlash. How Modi sat on Fast when his state got precivee step motherly treatment or over Narmada dam etc. Why Kashmiris cannot get hurt when their sentiments are attacked. We need to stand with them.
Namaste! While our Telugu Atmagauravam was stomped on in 2014, you did not stand with us. When our state was torn into two, you did not care for our sentiments. When Indian government broke its promise of Special Status, you looked the way!
Nonsense, Donot pamper Islamists.
The Singh – Musharraf talks showed that both India and Pakistan, respecting each other’s red lines, and keeping the interests and well being of the Kashmiri people, on both sides of the LoC, in mind, can find an amicable solution. From India’s point of view, that means no territorial changes. Reverting to a maximalist position will mean placing undue reliance on force.
And what happened when Singh-Musharraf talks were progressing ? Yeah, you got it right, backstabbing by Pakistan. Can we really trust Pakistani in abiding with any agreeement?
Is the Kashmiri the only one in India whose “culture” is unique and the only one who is “proud” of their culture ?? Is the Tamilian living under “special status” ? Is the “Bengali” ? Or the Malayali ?
What is so “unique” about the Kashmiri that he deserves a “special status” ? Kashmir is a dump – not switzerland. The people there are delusional as to their own importance or “specialness”. They are neither very industrious nor very good farmers. They are just fortunate to not face the ravages of hunger, poverty or large scale violence – this is the root of their “specialness”.
Kashmir is the only Muslim majority state that joined India, led by a Hindu king. That principle was not accepted for Hyderabad or Junagadh. There is a historical basis for its special status, no less compelling than the case the Nagas are making out.
But it was King’s property as it had brought it in 75 lakhs. And hyd, junagadh didn’t had border with our neighbor unlike jk. Princely state had option to join any of the two country but only if they were adjoining them.
I think you are dreaming. I an a Kashmir and we need to be independent of both Hindustan and Pakistan. We have never been part of Hindustan we have always struggled to be free of foreign intruders and domination. Your narrative is good for the Hindus but not for us Kashmiris. inshaAllah we will be free and have our the Republic of Jammmu and Kashmir, sooner then you think.
I always feel that the talk of kashmiri people,s desire to maintain their identity is important. It is also said that they are very proud of their identity.
What I don’t understand is ,who is not proud of his /her identity ?
Everybody is. But every Indian is proud to have that identity in the overall identity as an Indian.
This is not because of high sense of patriotism but it is necessity for better living in the world be and better management of resources with more than required independence under the Constitution.
Here if you the geographic location of kashmiri and the season and crop then it is clear that they can not have an independent identity. Their very existence and well being is possible only by becoming part of India.
Actually they were enjoying all the perks from Mainland without any responsibility of contribution.
So this is the kind of identity they want where rest of the country pays for them.
If the Kashmir becomes independent or merges with Pakistan in either case it is Mainland India which will have to support the population like Bangla Desh or Afganistan.
So enough of their identity. They did not think twice before killing and displacing all the pandits and most of the Sikhs from the valley.
It’s high time that they reconcile to the present status which in any case is the best thing that should have happened to them long back.
Very selectively written. There is no research or scholarly discourse in what author has said. It is a well known fact. But he has conveniently ignored the last three decades and the conversion of Kashmir into a radical monolith society through a planned exodus of the Kashmiri Hindus. He has also filed to discuss the role of Abdullahs in spreading separatist ideology despite claiming to be mainstream. Perception of modern day Indians is based on what has happened in last four decades and not on just a few hundred of terrorists as the author claims.
Very well said , desperate attempt of the print to project one sided story favoring terrorist is clearly visible .. One sided article , if it was only about culture how would one explain holocaust of Kashimiri pandits who shared common culture with Kashimiri muslims .. Same Kashmiri muslims on large slaughtered Pandits like Sheeps !!!
Kashmiri muslims owe an apology to Kashmiri pandits for what happened during 1990s when pandits were made to leave their homeland. Although too late now when most of them have settled in their lives after going through hardships of loosing their dwelling place. Even today if I get to meet some Kashmiri pandits anywhere it is a family like feeling, nothing more this ordinary Kashmiri has to say.
Pakistani dreams die in Kashmir. Also their lies.
Pakistani dreams die in Kashmir. Also their lies.
The basic problem is that people want a different policy in their states….on grounds of protection of culture/ identity / jobs. But at the same time equal rights in other states. Kannadigas don’t want outsiders in Bangalore. Maharashtrians don’t want outsiders in Mumbai. Those from the north east don’t want outsiders in their home states.
Everyone feels his identity is special.
I wish Gen Panag had brought out the example of the great leveller in India….the Army….no one is special. …everyone works, plays and eats together.
The attitude of Kashmiris of accepting Indian Taxpayers’ money and ‘maintaining their separate identity, is like a beautiful woman,who is being maintained by her husband,is in love with her neighbour and wants to live alone,without being questioned.Never heard people from valley refusing government help.Gen Panag,please remember Kashmiris have also responsibility of integrating with India and change their image with common Indian,which is of a Traitor.
My first impression was that Kashmiris perceived the ‘special status’ as a way to preserve their identity and culture.
The special status had nothing to do with Kashmiri identity and culture. Every state in the union has an identity and culture which is being preserved without a special status.
The Kashmiri Special status was that the money must be given to the state by the taxpayer across the country without asking questions and without being subjected to the laws that the taxpayers lived by.
50 years ago the innocent taxpayer was not aware of this loot connived by the then Government and the Kashmiries under the garb of preserving their identity and culture with a special status. So Army enjoyed people’s confidence and there was No signs of fundamentalism. As the taxpayer became aware the terrorism was encouraged to maintain the status quo otherwise 370 & 35A would have gone long back.
Very well said , desperate attempt of the print to project one sided story favoring terrorist is clearly visible .. One sided article , if it was only about culture how would one explain holocaust of Kashimiri pandits who shared common culture with Kashimiri muslims .. Same Kashmiri muslims on large slaughtered Pandits like Sheeps !!!
I grew up in Srinagar d could see hostility in the minds of shopkeepers even in the years 1955 to 57, they would refuse to show their goods to us and call us Bhahar ka log! Yes alienation was not as strong as we saw it in 1995 but it was there. The water port for the battalion was just a kid then and I saw him as a Mate in 1977, he was caught with a map showing our military deployment!
Every politician played his or her cards to retain power and make money.
The Govts from time to time failed to grasp the situation or merely used it for personal/ political gains.
We are paying for our folies and so are those in Kashmir!
Amazing that Gen. Panag never shared these thoughts while Nehru was demonized for Kashmir Problem! Panag says there was no Kashmir Problem in 1969 which was 5 years after Nehru’s death! This patriotic general just sat back and enjoyed as Nehru was demonized all these years. After the government plunged the nation into irrecoverable crisis by citing lies about Nehru and Kashmir, he remembers so many things!
Obviously an emotional article by the General. While Kashmiris may indeed be having pride in their culture and valued their independence, the fact is they just could not be independent as they are sandwiched between India, Pakistan as well as China and Afghanistan. They had to be part of either India or Pakistan and within that, they could have worked out their autonomy. They had the best offer from India but due to vacillating behaviour and playing Pakistan card and in the recent years, terrorism, they lost all their goodwill with indian people. If India has to protect them and feed them, they can’t expect to clamour for Azadi. If we leave them free, it will be even bigger strategic and security issue for India. So India is left with no choice but to abolish Art 370 finally. Also, Ladakh was suffering as it was clubbed with it. And Jammu is stuck with them to maintain communal balance. Of course, now that Ladakh is separated, and J&K is a UT, we can now offer that the valley and the POK including Gilgit and Baltistan, can be made into a State of Kashmir under the India Union with original Art 370 restored!! That will give us direct access to Afghanistan, control over Chinese footprints and independence to Kashmiris. General would be happy to see Kashmiris enjoy their cultural and political freedom once again with separate flag, constitution and a Prime Minister!! ( And funded by Indian money of course!!
This article doesn’t begin to explain the ethnic cleansing in the valley. The radicalization is part of an international trend that goes back at least 40-50 years, all the way to the oil boom era. There is also a 1000 year history that also won’t go away. Remember even Gandhi couldn’t make Muslims feel secure. After 70 years of reckless rhetoric by the separatists (they existed even during the time of Sheikh Abduallah) which was abetted by the mainstream leadership in the valley, the people of India are fed up. We need to stop telling falsehoods that the Central govt or the Kashmir govt lost the trust of the people, it is the Muslims in Kashmir Valley who lost the trust of Indians everywhere. The onus is on them to rebuild that trust and it isn’t going to come by demanding special rights.
Gen Panag says that he felt Abdullah was no separatist . However in 1953, when Nehru was PM, he was arrested for encouraging separatism. We must remember that Nehru was a person willing to extend the greatest generosity to rebels or others, and even he had to agree to the arrest. We can only conclude that like many Kashmiris, Abdullah too went through different phases – separatism, independence, integration with India etc etc. Another example is Savarkar who went from anti British hero to promising that he would never oppose the British again.
Marathi Manus, Gujarati Asmita, Telugu Atmagauravam, Tamil Pride, Bengal and Odia Culture, Punjabi Valour Rajasthan, MP, Chattisgarh and UP social and religious sentiments, Haryana Caste sentiment and Entire North East ethnic sentiments. If any of this gets effected there would be huge backlash. How Modi sat on Fast when his state got precivee step motherly treatment or over Narmada dam etc. Why Kashmiris cannot get hurt when their sentiments are attacked. We need to stand with them.
Well said.
Namaste! While our Telugu Atmagauravam was stomped on in 2014, you did not stand with us. When our state was torn into two, you did not care for our sentiments. When Indian government broke its promise of Special Status, you looked the way!
Nonsense, Donot pamper Islamists.
The Singh – Musharraf talks showed that both India and Pakistan, respecting each other’s red lines, and keeping the interests and well being of the Kashmiri people, on both sides of the LoC, in mind, can find an amicable solution. From India’s point of view, that means no territorial changes. Reverting to a maximalist position will mean placing undue reliance on force.
And what happened when Singh-Musharraf talks were progressing ? Yeah, you got it right, backstabbing by Pakistan. Can we really trust Pakistani in abiding with any agreeement?
Is the Kashmiri the only one in India whose “culture” is unique and the only one who is “proud” of their culture ?? Is the Tamilian living under “special status” ? Is the “Bengali” ? Or the Malayali ?
What is so “unique” about the Kashmiri that he deserves a “special status” ? Kashmir is a dump – not switzerland. The people there are delusional as to their own importance or “specialness”. They are neither very industrious nor very good farmers. They are just fortunate to not face the ravages of hunger, poverty or large scale violence – this is the root of their “specialness”.
Kashmir is the only Muslim majority state that joined India, led by a Hindu king. That principle was not accepted for Hyderabad or Junagadh. There is a historical basis for its special status, no less compelling than the case the Nagas are making out.
But it was King’s property as it had brought it in 75 lakhs. And hyd, junagadh didn’t had border with our neighbor unlike jk. Princely state had option to join any of the two country but only if they were adjoining them.
I think you are dreaming. I an a Kashmir and we need to be independent of both Hindustan and Pakistan. We have never been part of Hindustan we have always struggled to be free of foreign intruders and domination. Your narrative is good for the Hindus but not for us Kashmiris. inshaAllah we will be free and have our the Republic of Jammmu and Kashmir, sooner then you think.