A column written by Admiral Arun Prakash for ThePrint sparked a debate with Pakistani Air Commodore M. Kaiser Tufail. Here's the exchange between the two.
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A little factoid, the “two and half times bigger” is only by numbers — PAF had a tech advantage in 32 Mirage III (of which it lost 8, and hid other 24 in Iran) which could fly at night (as opposed to no IAF fighter in 1971 able to do so), this is much-documented.
And there is NO doubt about who started 1971 war, it was Pornistan — as per memoirs of Khadim Hussein Raja (putblished 2012, 13 years after his demise) the first commander of genocidal “Operation Searchlight” — though considerable number of Pornistanis still refuse to read it!
I have now lived in Australia for the last 30 years, after having been a fighter pilot participant in both wars, 65 and 71. I was fired up with all the right levels of motivational juices, India was a bad smell in Pakistani history, we had all the answers, our operational skills were legendary, Indians were inept and the Russian element in their fighting potential was apparent, we by contrast, were US boys……and on and on this nonsense spread its foul, pseudo-patriotic vitriol across our combined psyche.
History has already judged and has found us wanting on almost every count. As a new Australian, I can also judge the past and the terrible glorification of the unforgivable wastage of life, resources and opportunity for two nations whose destinies are irrevocably entwined. A wastage seen to by small minds masquerading as movers and shakers. These small minds have cast a pall of destitution and deprivation on our peoples that will take a century to reverse.
I live in a modern paradise, but my heart aches for what could have been on our beautiful lands and for those gentle times where we were one family with unmatched, century-old proud roots.
Today we are a rag tag mob of wannabees. Meaning no disrespect to sincere bean-counting by our two enlightened writers, my gaze remains on far horizons. Thus my question remains, ‘ How much more myopic glory should we squeeze out of our toilet bowl of failures?’
The question is not who started the war first in 1971.
Pakistan should realise that it’s action in east triggered lakhs of people to cross border and take refuge in India.
This was already a war by the Government on their own people.
India retaliated by crossing the border at the right time and made Pakistan forces to surrender.
Time has changed , mistakes have been admitted.Hightime both countries sit across and create a better place for future generations to live in peace.
I have read multiple articles by Kaiser Tufail Sb…..he has been frighteningly honest in all his articles…..he is one individual who wants to put the records straight…..I wish we had same kind of person across the fence also….. a person who is not able to agree on a fact that who started the ball rolling in east Pakistan can hardly be considered just in his accounts…..we live in a world where India has never accepted Pakistan’s existence and never let go of an opportunity to further aggravate the environment…..I only think….what had Gandi lived for some more years…..had our Quaid been Pakistan’s Prime Minister for 10 plus years….maybe our relation would have been different today…..may be not in our life time…..but some day some people on both sides would realize that we have so much to gain then to loose….so lets be friends rather enemies…..
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___123___An Indian Admiral & Pakistani Air Commodore debate the finer points of the 1971 war – ThePrint___123___
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A little factoid, the “two and half times bigger” is only by numbers — PAF had a tech advantage in 32 Mirage III (of which it lost 8, and hid other 24 in Iran) which could fly at night (as opposed to no IAF fighter in 1971 able to do so), this is much-documented.
And there is NO doubt about who started 1971 war, it was Pornistan — as per memoirs of Khadim Hussein Raja (putblished 2012, 13 years after his demise) the first commander of genocidal “Operation Searchlight” — though considerable number of Pornistanis still refuse to read it!
I have now lived in Australia for the last 30 years, after having been a fighter pilot participant in both wars, 65 and 71. I was fired up with all the right levels of motivational juices, India was a bad smell in Pakistani history, we had all the answers, our operational skills were legendary, Indians were inept and the Russian element in their fighting potential was apparent, we by contrast, were US boys……and on and on this nonsense spread its foul, pseudo-patriotic vitriol across our combined psyche.
History has already judged and has found us wanting on almost every count. As a new Australian, I can also judge the past and the terrible glorification of the unforgivable wastage of life, resources and opportunity for two nations whose destinies are irrevocably entwined. A wastage seen to by small minds masquerading as movers and shakers. These small minds have cast a pall of destitution and deprivation on our peoples that will take a century to reverse.
I live in a modern paradise, but my heart aches for what could have been on our beautiful lands and for those gentle times where we were one family with unmatched, century-old proud roots.
Today we are a rag tag mob of wannabees. Meaning no disrespect to sincere bean-counting by our two enlightened writers, my gaze remains on far horizons. Thus my question remains, ‘ How much more myopic glory should we squeeze out of our toilet bowl of failures?’
John Carapiet
Adelaide
South Australiaa
The question is not who started the war first in 1971.
Pakistan should realise that it’s action in east triggered lakhs of people to cross border and take refuge in India.
This was already a war by the Government on their own people.
India retaliated by crossing the border at the right time and made Pakistan forces to surrender.
Time has changed , mistakes have been admitted.Hightime both countries sit across and create a better place for future generations to live in peace.
I have read multiple articles by Kaiser Tufail Sb…..he has been frighteningly honest in all his articles…..he is one individual who wants to put the records straight…..I wish we had same kind of person across the fence also….. a person who is not able to agree on a fact that who started the ball rolling in east Pakistan can hardly be considered just in his accounts…..we live in a world where India has never accepted Pakistan’s existence and never let go of an opportunity to further aggravate the environment…..I only think….what had Gandi lived for some more years…..had our Quaid been Pakistan’s Prime Minister for 10 plus years….maybe our relation would have been different today…..may be not in our life time…..but some day some people on both sides would realize that we have so much to gain then to loose….so lets be friends rather enemies…..
Agree fully from across the fence…