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2 points:
1. Shouldn’t this news related to defence procurement be confidential ?
2. If DRDO cannot design this rifle why can’t we get private sector firms with precision manufacturing experience to develop prototypes ?
Those people got guts to do say so being questioned. Take case of Rafael. Ambani’s shown guts but people asked so many questions. Now who will come forward and take initiative.For building development we require land. Who will know this.
Sniper Grade precision Ammunition is manufactured by very few Companies. Most have decades of experience. Immediately ammunition for Sniper Rifles on order can be imported, to serve the Army Sniper team needs. To develop indiginous Ammo maker for Sniper Ammo will take long and of course OFB simply does not have capability.
This story by print is laughable. No small arms weapons manufacturer in the world
makes ammunition. These are to be procured separately. Ammunition could be of generic vote. Sniper ammunition could be of specific needs and only specialised ammunition makers can fulfil them. Yes the army should know it hence reasons like the one given sound stupid.
Indian Army’s sniper rifles back in limbo due to lack of ammunition sources. Indian Ordinance Factory Board is trule representative of India’s Constitution, laws and Quota (Reservations-License) – Corruption (Extortion – Scam) Raj.
I can’t believe this! Even a novice shooter knows that ammunition is made by specialist companies and and weapons by DIFFERENT specialist companies. They work very closely together to develop the perfect round for the weapon, but production is always with the specialist ammunition manufacturer. There are several European and American specialist manufacturers who will make the perfect round for any weapon. There has never been a more stupid and inane reason to drop a very good weapon for this reason.
With this failure mentality the army can keep on going round en round in circles. Why the hell can’t they first select the best rifle and get a jv for the ammo later. My God what a waste of time. In 1978 I installed a cold pilger mill at nuclear fuels complex. It had capacity to manufacture 20,000 metric tonnes of precision tubes per annum. The tubes were good enough for being used in gun barrels of different caliber. Nobody has used this facility as it can meet India’s 10 years requirements for gun barrels in one month. The machine is idle for 40 years. It’s backed with a horizontal press of 1930 vintage of Krupp make which helped arm Nazi Germany. The gun barrels technology has not changed for last 100 years. Only there is slight difference in mettalurgy.
I dont know how the press is getting exact figures in number and cost. National security threat. Media can sell anything to adversary nations..what babus doing in defence procurement department. God save India…
How silly ! The people who were making the RFI could not clarify that they wanted the bullets and tech transfer for both bullets and guns together or go for separate deals for both the first time ? Isn’t this common sense ? It makes you wonder if this was deliberately done to make sure the contract can not be completed and goes into the same chaotic loop for the next twenty years, something every defence contract in India suffers from. Thirty years, the govt can’t finalize a deal for fighters…Every defence deal is the same delay after delay. Who needs external enemies when you have corrupt bureaucrats and fauzis who design our procurements for failure instead of getting the troops quality equipment quickly. This is shameful. The delays cause irreparable damage to our operational readiness and to my eye acts of treason.
India has mastered rocket technology,so making these sniper rifle shouldn’t be difficult. China,Israel have indigenous technology to bypass all restrictions,India too should manufacture indigenously.
Precision is the all important factor of a sniper rifles. Nowadays, Indian firms can manufacture rifled barrels with button rifling Technology. I wonder then why indigenously such sophisticated Rifles cannot be manufactured, it seems that after procuring foreign Rifles the the weapons will take about 2 years time to arrive in India and some more time to be accepted by the armed forces .
Two years is a long enough time to build indigenous Sniper rifles which will not only be a boost to the “make in India” initiative but will also make us self-reliant. As far as the ammunitions are concerned we have ammunition factories which make small arms ammo, a already a little bit of tweaking up of these factories is needed to produce Precision rifle ammunitions indigenously. When such being the situation I wonder why import is essential at all.
2 points:
1. Shouldn’t this news related to defence procurement be confidential ?
2. If DRDO cannot design this rifle why can’t we get private sector firms with precision manufacturing experience to develop prototypes ?
@Anil Tiwari please contact me on ajayshp2004@gmail.com, may be we could work together.
Regards
Lt Commander Ajay Pandey (Retd.)
Those people got guts to do say so being questioned. Take case of Rafael. Ambani’s shown guts but people asked so many questions. Now who will come forward and take initiative.For building development we require land. Who will know this.
Sniper Grade precision Ammunition is manufactured by very few Companies. Most have decades of experience. Immediately ammunition for Sniper Rifles on order can be imported, to serve the Army Sniper team needs. To develop indiginous Ammo maker for Sniper Ammo will take long and of course OFB simply does not have capability.
This story by print is laughable. No small arms weapons manufacturer in the world
makes ammunition. These are to be procured separately. Ammunition could be of generic vote. Sniper ammunition could be of specific needs and only specialised ammunition makers can fulfil them. Yes the army should know it hence reasons like the one given sound stupid.
Indian Army’s sniper rifles back in limbo due to lack of ammunition sources. Indian Ordinance Factory Board is trule representative of India’s Constitution, laws and Quota (Reservations-License) – Corruption (Extortion – Scam) Raj.
I can’t believe this! Even a novice shooter knows that ammunition is made by specialist companies and and weapons by DIFFERENT specialist companies. They work very closely together to develop the perfect round for the weapon, but production is always with the specialist ammunition manufacturer. There are several European and American specialist manufacturers who will make the perfect round for any weapon. There has never been a more stupid and inane reason to drop a very good weapon for this reason.
With this failure mentality the army can keep on going round en round in circles. Why the hell can’t they first select the best rifle and get a jv for the ammo later. My God what a waste of time. In 1978 I installed a cold pilger mill at nuclear fuels complex. It had capacity to manufacture 20,000 metric tonnes of precision tubes per annum. The tubes were good enough for being used in gun barrels of different caliber. Nobody has used this facility as it can meet India’s 10 years requirements for gun barrels in one month. The machine is idle for 40 years. It’s backed with a horizontal press of 1930 vintage of Krupp make which helped arm Nazi Germany. The gun barrels technology has not changed for last 100 years. Only there is slight difference in mettalurgy.
I dont know how the press is getting exact figures in number and cost. National security threat. Media can sell anything to adversary nations..what babus doing in defence procurement department. God save India…
How silly ! The people who were making the RFI could not clarify that they wanted the bullets and tech transfer for both bullets and guns together or go for separate deals for both the first time ? Isn’t this common sense ? It makes you wonder if this was deliberately done to make sure the contract can not be completed and goes into the same chaotic loop for the next twenty years, something every defence contract in India suffers from. Thirty years, the govt can’t finalize a deal for fighters…Every defence deal is the same delay after delay. Who needs external enemies when you have corrupt bureaucrats and fauzis who design our procurements for failure instead of getting the troops quality equipment quickly. This is shameful. The delays cause irreparable damage to our operational readiness and to my eye acts of treason.
India has mastered rocket technology,so making these sniper rifle shouldn’t be difficult. China,Israel have indigenous technology to bypass all restrictions,India too should manufacture indigenously.
Precision is the all important factor of a sniper rifles. Nowadays, Indian firms can manufacture rifled barrels with button rifling Technology. I wonder then why indigenously such sophisticated Rifles cannot be manufactured, it seems that after procuring foreign Rifles the the weapons will take about 2 years time to arrive in India and some more time to be accepted by the armed forces .
Two years is a long enough time to build indigenous Sniper rifles which will not only be a boost to the “make in India” initiative but will also make us self-reliant. As far as the ammunitions are concerned we have ammunition factories which make small arms ammo, a already a little bit of tweaking up of these factories is needed to produce Precision rifle ammunitions indigenously. When such being the situation I wonder why import is essential at all.
See my reply. There is a very good lobby who only wants to import. Manufacture of small arms today is no big deal.