Row over engineering degrees: Govt to order CBI probe into UGC ‘lapses’

Engineering students (left), Supreme Court of India (right). Source: wikimedia commons

HRD ministry to crack whip on erring UGC officials after Supreme Court cancelled engineering degrees secured through correspondence courses.

New Delhi: Within a week of the Supreme Court order cancelling engineering degrees secured through correspondence courses, the human resource development (HRD) ministry has decided to get to the crux of the matter.

The ministry will order a CBI inquiry into how the University Grants Commission (UGC), the higher education regulator, permitted deemed universities to offer engineering courses in distance education mode in the first place, sources told ThePrint.

The decision was taken at a high-level meeting held on 6 November.

As directed by the apex court, the HRD ministry will this week write to the CBI to conduct a “thorough investigation” to find out how UGC officials granted such permissions, which were a clear violation of the policy statement, the sources added.

The top court last week quashed correspondence engineering courses offered since 2001 by four deemed universities — JRN Rajasthan Vidyapeeth, Institute of Advanced Studies in Education in Rajasthan, Allahabad Agricultural Institute and Vinayaka Mission Research Foundation, Tamil Nadu.

While degrees awarded after 2005 have been suspended, degree holders from the 2001-05 period will be permitted to take a test to prove proficiency to retain their degrees. Degrees issued after 2005 have been declared invalid, as the deemed universities had no permission for offering the course since then.

Apart from systemic issues, the larger problem is addressing the impact of the Supreme Court order on the ground, the sources said. Initial assessments show that a number of these graduates are in government service at present, and could stand to lose promotions or other service-related benefits.

It is also being ascertained if there are more universities offering similar degrees.

Action plan

The UGC will, by next week, put out a public notice announcing the suspension of such degrees. The All Indian Council for Technical Education (AICTE) will step in immediately and set up a web portal for students who may have enrolled in these courses between 2001 and 2005. As directed by the court, students will have the option to either appear for a special AICTE test, or have their degrees cancelled and seek fee refunds.

It is expected that the web registration process will be completed within three months. AICTE is already beginning the process to hold this special test.

By July-August 2018, AICTE will be asked to declare results of the test, which can enable revival of the suspended degrees for successful candidates. Those who fail to clear the test in two attempts will have their degrees withdrawn. Degrees issued after 2005 will be withdrawn and a notification for the same will be put out by the end of the year.

Much of this action will take place at the UGC, which is under fire for failing in its duty, and violating its own rules and regulations.

The ministry will also ask the higher education regulator to amend the UGC (Institutions Deemed to be Universities) Regulations, 2016, to clarify that AICTE norms apply to deemed institutes, and to new courses to be launched by them.

The government will seek data on all distance education courses being conducted by deemed universities to ensure there is no similar violation in any discipline.

The ministry will also direct the UGC to set up a committee and finalise by June 2018 whether or not deemed university status should be withdrawn from the four varsities in the dock. Based on court orders, the UGC has already been asked to issue instructions to every deemed university to refrain from using the word ‘university’ with their name, and change them over the next three months through due notification.

A three-member committee will be set up by the ministry within the next few days to draw up a road map to strengthen oversight on deemed universities. The court has directed that the committee must submit its report by August 2018.

36 COMMENTS

  1. The move to ask these institutions not to call themselves universities is a good move, however, to be institutions deemed to be universities is supposed to be based on their excellence as institutions…. education in the hands of politicians, builders etc is the biggest scam ever, 2G is a minuscule one in comparison!

  2. Employment opportunities for Engineers are plenty but knowledgeable freshers are few. Engg degrees are virtually being sold. What about AICTE approved Engg Colleges running Non attending B Tech and MTwch Courses. On the name of attendance they charge huge fines. Corruption and greed are to be blamed.

  3. Giving a test at the age of 45 nd that too in such a stress is a big challenge for the students. Loosing the jobs at this point of time in life will be very dipressing and should be avoided.

  4. No companies will consider these degrees without prior experience in this sector, student who spend 4 years for this will have an expectation to do higher studies, now in trouble, the one who qualified with these degree have to write many exams to get job. There they will fail then why these kind of suspension and withdrawal. Securing promotion using these degrees can be canceled that is right. Spoiling future of candidates who have the planning to do higher studies is purely injustice. A BTech holder from. Such University have to write many entrance exam test to do higher studies in reputed institutions. Unless he/she studied well they won’t be able to secure higher position.

  5. It seems our system is on the verge of collapse. The people working at responsible position in the system should have exibited some amount of maturity. There are many more questions coming up – Is it a valid descision to cancel degrees of these Universities so that thousands of engineering personnel become jobless as early as possible?, Why concerned Universities were allowed to accept the enrollment from the students? Are all students from theses universities employed with Government or public sectors or a burden on government?. Why so called aptitude test being arranged for 2001 to 2005 only why not up to 2017?. If we want to make india clean say goodbye to resevstion, blackmoney, disappropriate assets & corruption etc etc. We must understand that cancellation of degrees of thousands of engineers means we are making them jobless, harrassing them, demoralising them, questioning their dignity etc that to just for nothing.
    In today’s world of digital Era distance education should be encouraged.

  6. It is a clear case of Government Failure and the students have been punished without any fault. The judgement has been pronounced by the Hon’able Supreme Court without listening to the effected students whose carrier has been spoiled. Justice has not been given. Many questions still remain un-answered like: 1. Why the Engg. degrees of only 4 deemed universities have been cancelled whereas many other Universities/deemed universities are offering the technical education through distance learning mode without the approval of AICTE. 2. Even, AMIE (providing Engg. Degree through correspondence/distance mode) is also not approved by AICTE. Why there is such discrimination. 3. If at all any such action was to be taken, it should have been against these Universities/Deemed to be Universities or UGC or DEC but not against the students.

  7. who was sleeping for this long??? And why should the guys who studies and got employed suffer for someone”s mistakes?// Is this justice???

  8. what is the situation, whoever completed polytechnic diploma courses/B.tech from theses universities and they went for higher educations M.tech/M.B.A and B.tech courses in other universities ?

    Now, they will cancel higher educations also …..?

  9. As per the Public Notice issued by AICTE in TOI on 31st October, 2017 and also as per recent news article published in HT (Page 13 of Delhi/NCR edition) on 21st November 2017, AICTE during their”52nd Emergency Meeting” have taken a decision that “Degrees and Diplomas in Engineering and Technology granted by professional bodies, including the Institution of Engineers(India) to thousands of students till May 31, 2013, stands valid “for all purposes” ranging from employment in government sector to higher education”.
    Why there is such discrimination at this stage. Why AICTE not considering the grant of recognition to the Engg./Technical Degrees awarded by the Deemed Universities through distance mode acquired by the students upto May 31,2013 when AICTE has already done the same in case of other professional bodies including Institution of Engineers(India) offering the technical education through correspondence/distance mode. Moreover, earlier a joint committee comprising members from UGC, AICTE & DEC had already given their post-facto approval in respect of the Technical/Engg. Courses of the Deemed Universities through distance mode.

  10. Dear All…
    The people sitting at the the top taking these type of decision are dumb or what. They don’t have families or what.They can’t take degrees back or suspend it. Already this much unemployment is there in India. Now what next. Do they want to take lives of these people. How they will take experience back from these students.What about higher degrees people earned on basis of this degrees.. UGC is wrong .

  11. After doing polytechnic diploma from a govt institution, what is the fault having BTech in distance mode education from such deemed universities. Our govt must act on behalf of students. At least the students from poly background must get some relief.

  12. Students took admission for Diploma Engg in the year 2003 after 10th std and subsequently passed out in the year 2006 from JRN Rajasthan Vidyapeeth eill there Diploma be considered valid? since SC order is w.r.t. Degrees. Whether Diploma helders will have to be undergo special Aicte test to secure Diploma. Also can these degrees be considered valid as Non Technical Degrees since Aicte remained silent.

  13. Anupam Lal Das

    The regulatory regime in education offered through the distance mode has been marred with controversy since its inception. The regulator viz. Distance Education Council (DEC) was created under the Indira Gandhi National Open University Act, 1985 (IGNOU) in the year 1992.

    What was perplexing was the fact that IGNOU was the largest player in distance education, and the regulator was created under the IGNOU Act. Nonetheless, despite the said apparent conflict of interest, DEC continued to regulate distance education till the year 2012.

    The Supreme Court of India in the case of Orissa Lift Irrigation Corporation Limited Vs. Rabi Sankar Patro, while inter-alia dealing with the issue of whether an engineering course could be offered through distance mode, ended up entering a field that was totally unrelated to the case. After examining in-extenso the history of education imparted through the distance mode, it came to a correct conclusion that imparting an engineering course through the distance mode was not permissible without the approval of AICTE.

    It also severely criticized the practice of granting ex-post facto approvals, which were completely opposed to the policy statements governing the issue. Also, the Supreme Court set aside the ex-post facto approvals granted by UGC in cases of candidates enrolled during the Academic Sessions 2001-2005 and suspended the degrees of these candidates until AICTE devised modalities to conduct an appropriate test/tests in terms of the judgment.

    The Supreme Court, however, directed cancellation of degrees of candidates enrolled after the Academic Sessions 2001-2005 and also directed withdrawal of benefits secured by such candidates. Unfortunately, these candidates did not have the benefit of an audience before the Supreme Court. The Court further directed the CBI to carry out a thorough investigation into the conduct of the concerned officials who dealt with matters concerning grant of permission against the policy statement in this regard.

    It is humbly stated that though the judgment is correct in its interpretation of the policy statement which leans towards the lack of desirability of offering a technical course like engineering through the distance mode, the Court lost sight of the fact that the DEC and the joint committee consisting of AICTE, UGC and DEC had granted such permission to institutions for some academic years.

    The regulatory regime was clearly in a state of chaos and the grant of permission further compounded a sense of confusion in the minds of the students. This lack of clarity in the regulatory regime resulted in offering of technical courses by institutions for over two decades. While conceding to the fact that some of the deemed universities may have indulged in malpractices, the broad brush directions by the Supreme Court have the potential of taking away the livelihood of lakhs of students who may be gainfully employed in various organisations.

    The Supreme Court is known for its magnanimous approach in dispensing justice. Article 142 of the Constitution has always been used to do complete justice between the parties and, therefore, the Supreme Court ought to have made the judgment prospective.

    However, woefully, the judgment has created a class within a class between students who took admission during the Academic Years 2001-2005 and students who took admission after 2005. It is humbly stated that this artificial classification is not correct since the only reason for protecting the former class is the post-facto approval granted by the UGC. The Supreme Court has itself deprecated the practice of post-facto approvals in this very judgment, and thus everyone should have been treated equally by giving them one chance to make good the deficiency in their degrees.

    The Supreme Court has further directed that the to-be deemed universities should stop using the word “University” within one month of the judgment. The Court has, however, not adverted to certain important sections of the UGC Act, 1956 and the UGC (Institutions Deemed to be University) Regulations, 2016.

    Section 2(f) of the UGC Act defines a “University” to mean a University established or incorporated by or under a Central Act, a Provincial Act or a State Act, and includes any such institution as may, in consultation with the University concerned, be recognized by the commission in accordance with regulations made in this behalf under this Act.

    Further, Section 3 postulates that the Central government, on the advice of the commission, may declare an institution for higher education as a deemed to be a University for the purposes of this Act and on such a declaration being made, all the provisions of this Act shall apply to such institution as if it were a University within the meaning of clause (f) of section 2.

    The judgment of the Supreme Court has clearly missed the merger provision contained in section 3 which merges the deemed to be University post such declaration “as if it were a University within the meaning of clause (f) of section 2”.

    The Supreme Court has further missed the critical words employed in section 23 of the UGC Act, 1956 which reads as under:

    “No institution, whether a corporate body or not, other than a University established or incorporated by or under a Central Act, a Provincial Act or a State Act shall be entitled to have the word University associated with its name in any manner whatsoever…”

    The expression “…other than a University established or incorporated by or under a Central Act,…” clearly means an institution declared as a deemed to be University under section 3 read with section 2(f) of the UGC Act which is a Central Act referred to in section 23 of the Act. Therefore, section 23 of the UGC Act itself permits the institutions deemed to be Universities established by and under the UGC Act to use the word “University”.

    Furthermore, by virtue of Section 22 of the UGC Act, the deemed Universities like any other University are entitled to grant degrees and, therefore, the deemed Universities must be treated at par with any other University in identifying itself as a University and associating the word University to its name is an integral part of its very existence.

    The Supreme Court has further not even adverted to the UGC (Institutions Deemed to be Universities) Regulations, 2016 and has referred to the earlier regulations of 2010, which stand superseded by the 2016 regulations.

    Also, the impression the judgment holds with regard to the lack of regulatory regime for the deemed to be Universities is not correct as a detailed regulatory regime is envisaged in the regulations of 2016. Furthermore, the National Assessment and Accreditation Council (NAAC), an autonomous body under the UGC Act, grades the institutions as A, B and C institutions on scientific parameters where the most important criterion is adherence to all applicable UGC rules and regulations.

    The author is an advocate of the Supreme Court of India.

  14. How can any one judge some one in academics after more then a decade ….humble request to the victims of this this decision please come forward and place our position in front of government. .This is retrospective decision and aicte has covered up their faults putting 30000 students rather families at stake …….

  15. I have few doubt, i would be highly grateful if you reply:
    1. Suppose “Mr. X” did M.Tech and his degree gets cancelled after 10-12 years due to some reason, then what will happen to that M.Tech students who are guided by “Mr. X” during these 10-12 years. What will happen to their research publications which were published by the students who are guided by “Mr. X”.? If Mr. X degree is not valid, it means he is B. Tech, only then how can he guide M. Tech Student in past 10-12 years (means after completion of his M. Tech)?
    2. What will happen to the “Mr. X ” research publications, which were published in these 10-12 years. Because in each and very publications Mr. X considered himself as “M.Tech” which will not be true after cancellation of the degree. Should his research contribution be withdrawn? Is it possible to cancel his talent?
    3. What will happen to the novel idea which were published by “Mr. X” in journals like IEEE transactions, Elsevier, Wiley, etc. (Top Publications). Can “Mr X” novel ideas which were already publish in “IEEE transactions level journals” be withdrawn?
    4. Should the talent be assessed through degree, only? does industries or organisations give further promotion or advanced degree based on previous degree only? Does not the Ph.D student pass their course work before getting Ph.D. Degree? does not Ph.D. student publishes their research papers in SCI indexed journals to get Ph.D degree? Is M.Tech degree,only, sufficient to get Ph.D degree? However, i am aware of the fact that the basic degree is required to get higher degree. But if he got admission and proves his talent then my question is “should his degree be cancelled or not”.
    5. Should the output of the students after the completion of Diploma/Degree/M.Tech be reviewed?
    I have numbers of queries, which i want to share with you, please reply to make these points clear. Honestly, i would be highly grateful.

  16. With ref to the above discussion here are the few more points which in my opinion were not put in front of the Hon’ble Court:
    1. The Ex-post-facto recognition were given by the UGC-AICTE-DEC joint committee. Which is also very clear from the letter no. F.6-3(Centre)/2003(CPP-I), dated 13 Nov 2007 addressed to the Vice_chancellor JRN Rajasthaan Vidyapeeth, Rajasthan.
    2. The fact that AICTE was also a member of that committee giving Ex-post-facto recognition was NOT made clear to the Hon’ble Court. The letters are available at: http://www.distanceeducationinindia.com/prospectus/rvd.pdf
    3. MHRD vide letter no F.2-1/2006 U.3(A) dated April 7, 2006 notified that “It is not a pre-requsite for an institution notified as a ‘Deemed to be University’ to obtain the approval of the AICTE to start any programme in technical or management education leading to an award,….”
    4. MHRD vide letter no. D.O. No.6-7/2009-DL, dated 29 July 2009 directed to stop B.E./ B.Tech. ONLY through distance learning in view of UGC Regulation 1985 for the award of first degree under Open Distance Learning. NO DIRECTIONS IN REGARDS TO M.E./ M.TECH. and PhD. (https://www.ugc.ac.in/deb/notices/BTechMTech.pdf).
    5. MHRD directed DEC “withdraw permission given to various institutions to conduct B.Tech./B.E. Programmes through distance mode and no student should be admitted in the current year also.”
    6. UGC vide letter no. F.No.UGC/DEB/Tech.Edu./1/2015 dated 11-03-2015 under PUBLIC NOTICE notified that the MHRD had directed to stop offering B.E./ B.Tech. through distance learning mode from the year 2009-10. ALSO mentioned that “AICTE in 2010 and 2011 also notified its policy not to recognize the qualifications acquired through distance mode at diploma, bachelors & Master’s level in the field of Engineering and Technology……” http://www.academics-india.com/UGC_ODL-Notice.pdf
    7. Now the main point to consider are:
    a. The permission to run courses under distance mode to the Universities were given by competent authority.
    b. The Ex-post-facto recognition was given by the UGC-AICTE-DEC joint committee that too after several meeting of committee and after physical visit of the committee to the four universities.
    c. No separate approval of AICTE need after joint recognition.
    d. MHRD directed to stop B.E./ B.Tech. under distance education mode in the year 2009.
    e. Only first degree in Engineering as per UGC Regulation 1985 (Also UGC regulation for ODL 2017 implies on this) ie. B.E./ B.Tech were directed by the MHRD to stop from 2009 onwards.
    f. AICTE in action came only after 2010 and 2011.
    Hence in view of the above:- No need to include the Diploma/ M.E./ MTech and PhD degrees awarded through Distance education Mode at least till 2009 upto which UGC, IGNOU/DEC, MHRD and AICTE etc have no clear-cut policy or direction.

  17. In continuation to the above discussion please go through the following
    Gazette of India Part III-Section 4, Dated: 6 January 2016

    http://www.aicte-india.org/downloads/clarification_2016.pdf#toolbar=0
    The GO says:
    1. AMIE along with M.Tech. is eligible for Central Govt. Job. (SI. No.67)
    i. AMIE is distance mode degree and was suspended by MHRD in year 2012.
    ii. AICTE in its emergent meeting Recognized AMIE in August 2017 (Just before the Final decision of Honorable Supreme Court of India)
    iii. M.Tech. is also awarded from various Deemed universities like BITS which are not AICTE recognized, even BITS Hayderabad is not recognized by UGC and AICTE both.
    iv. M.Tech. is also awarded by BITS Pilani in distance mode under Work Integrated Learning Programme.
    v. ie AMIE+ MTech; a very- very probable and bright case of BOTH the degrees under distance Mode.

    2. MS is recognized by AICTE equivalent to M.Tech. (SI.No. 9)
    i. MS was awarded by BITS pilani till 2016 under Distance Mode. Now it is renamed M.Tech.
    ii. B.Tech is also awarded under Work Integrated Learning Programme in distance mode.

    3. MCA has been recognized for qualification as “MCA/M.Sc in Mathematics/ Physics/ Electronics/ Computer Science and allied subjects with ME/M. Tech/Ph. D in Computer Science/ Information Technology to teach in Computer Science, IT & Engg. Courses” with remark “However, existing incumbents recruited as a faculty with these basic minimum qualifications prior to the issue of AICTE Regulations, 2010” (SI No 1)
    i. There is strong chances of such candidates having both MCA and ME/ MTech under distance education mode.
    ii. Distance education is in technical education at least since 2001, so the possibility of point 3 (i) is very strong.

  18. Thanks for making a very comprehensive statement on behalf of various others whose life was hit unexpectedly by this ambiguous judgement. Certainly it lacked the thoroughness which should have gone into a supreme Court judgement

  19. I also emphasize that M.Tech./MS is awarded by BITS Pilani in distance mode under Work Integrated Learning Programme.
    And AMIE+ MTech; a very- very probable and bright case of both the degrees under distance Mode. And both are not AICTE approved. If these two degrees are valid then why not March of all the candidates who did MTech from these four universities who all were working professional with regular recognised bachelors degree and equipped with all lab support at their workplace.

    Now in last 12 years these candidates have secured govt. Jobs as well as earned Phd degrees from renowned central and state universities with hihhy quality research work.
    All supervising research on the basis of their knowledge and this could only be possible on the basis of their knowledge and talent and analytical abilities they possess.
    Same question comes into my mind against again posted on this platform –
    Should the talent be assessed through degree, only? does industries or organisations give further promotion or advanced degree based on previous degree only? Does not the Ph.D student pass their course work before getting Ph.D. Degree? does not Ph.D. student publishes their research papers in SCI indexed journals to get Ph.D degree?

    Is M.Tech degree,only, sufficient to get Ph.D degree? However, i am aware of the fact that the basic degree is required to get higher degree.

    But if he got admission and proves his talent then my question is “should his degree be cancelled or not”.
    So as my opinion, Masters in Technology should be exempted from SC decision.

    Please all members who did Mtech should come on same platform and unite together to discuss this matter. Please suggest how we can unite and discuss our case.

  20. We have faith and respect to the Honourable Supreme Court but people will lose their faith from the Honourable SC.If such type of decision comes.
    Honourable Supreme court is giving the logic that “At this stage(After 15 years ) it’s not possible to inspect the Study center/ Institutes. So Check the Candidate by taking Examination “ Following are the queries related to this :
    (i) Degrees in the related field means he/she has knowledge in their field. If they are working for last 15 years then why u need to check from scratch. The decision maker should ask this same question to the self, if they have to appear(in 6 months) for their degree examination with the present workload and without leave.How many of them clear the examination.
    (ii) Due credit needs to be given to the experience and ACR. In medical doctors are treating the live human being and if they do any mistakes their life will be at stake .even then RMP degrees are given on the basis of experience no study is required.
    (iii) This is very interesting due to the negligence of regulatory bodies candidates are suffering.
    (iv) In a complete case, they are saying engineering degree. A degree means Diploma /Bachelors and Masters. Court has taken the case of all with same philosophy but there is lots of difference.Lets take one example if X had done his BE in regular mode from AICTE recognized college then he Joined the post of Lecturer ( at that time qualification of the lecturer was BE) then he did M.Tech in Computer Science, not in Computer Science and Engineering then PhD from IIT/Govt University through a proper selection procedure. How his degree can be compared the BE distance education. The prerequisite for BE is 12 and for Mtech(CS) is BE/MSc/MCA. A MSc person Mtech can be called as an Engineer. IIT conduct M.Tech in Physics can you call it an engineering degree if no then why are you putting the philosophy of BE degree on M.Tech .In BE degree you have to go through a lot of hardware related practical work even in CSE . The first year is common for all the branches and they have to workshop Jon. The case of M.Tech is different.
    (v) All Study centers were equipped with Computer. M.Tech in Computer science needs only computer .M.Tech in Mechanical/Electronics/ CSE(Computer Science and Engineering) need other hardware related equipment for practical.
    (vi) AICTE has exempted MCA degree to get re-examined by the candidates. The question arises here that does the MCA program doesn’t have any practical aspect, if not than the syllabus of M.Tech(CS & IT) is at par with the MCA syllabus. In this case the either the M.Tech CS/IT students should also get relief or the MCA degree should be re-examined. And not only MCA , but all the degrees ( Architecture, Pharmacy, Hotel Management, town planning, MCA, M.Sc { agriculture, Physics, Chemistry, Botany, Biology} BSc { agriculture, Physics, Chemistry, Botany, Biology}, BCA or any of the degree which are having the practical aspects and are done in distance mode from any of the University or Deemed to be University irrespective of the four Universities mentioned by the Honourable Supreme Court should be re-examined.
    (vii) I would also add here that UGC, AICTE or any of the statutory body in a different domain can confidently assure that the degrees awarded by the Private Universities running all across the country in the different domain ( degree having practical aspects) are as per the standards and protocols laid down by their respective councils. Are these universities having sufficient Infrastructure and faculty and the students who are earning their qualifications are at par with the universities of state/Central or Institute of National Importance, if not then there should be a benchmark/re-exam for such students also to get their degree validate?

  21. There are many IITs, IIMs and other institutes which are awarding PhD degree on the basis of B.E. or B.Tech Degree .

    B.E. / B.Tech/ M.E. or M.Tech. is only a eligibility criterion for the admission to the PhD degree. But the PhD degree is “EARNED” by the proper process of the University or institute concerned.

    In my personnel opinion this PhD degree which is EARNED by the concerned that too when at the time of admission ME or MTech was valid, need not to be come under the preview of this decisions and one exemption for those who EARNED or PERUSING PhD should be exempted from this decision.

  22. This decision comes as a blow to all of us who have degrees from one of these four universities, especially the M. Tech degree, and who have been working on respectable posts for the past 13/14 yrs. It’s a very unfair decision as far as these students are concerned, who put in their money, time and hard work to earn these degrees and on the basis of which they got promotions and in some cases govt and private jobs. All these years of hard work will go down the drain by this unfair decision by the honorable supreme Court. Taking tests at this age, in all the subjects, while we have gained experience and expertise in one or two based on our research areas, is very difficult to sat the least. Also, as someone has rightly put in the forum, what abt the research work and research students we hv guided since then. Will all that be scrapped too.
    We all need to get together and fight this injustice and the more we assemble, the better our chances. So let’s all get together and fight this.

  23. As far as M.Tech is considered for PhD degree as eligibility.
    In my opinion many IITs, IIMs and other university or institutions are taking BE or BTech as minimum eligibility for admission to PhD degree.

    Also PhD degree is EARNED and there is NO DIRECT contribution of BTech or MTech.
    Both the events are independent events.

    One Example: Suppose a candidate got admitted on OBC Non-Creamy layer seat at any institute and EARNED his PhD degree. After some time he comes to creamy Layer category, deoe it means his degree get cancelled!

    So come forward on this point is one has REGULAR BTech degree and had Admitted to AICTE recognized University or Institute for PhD then there should be EXEMPTION of such candidates from the current Judgment.

  24. I did my BTech from a rupted central university and did my Phd from a reputed pvt university.I have published many national /international numbers of research papers in IEEE, scopus & SCi index journals.I am expert of my area now .Let me ask a question, Is it not very late to welcome such a late & vauge decision,I mean how could I deserve to loose my degrees/publications or designation and my bread butter which I am earning for my family because of the only mistake of UGC / AICTE or some other such reputed educational organisation. Where is my fault ? If any such candiates commited to suicide or family members got heart attack and other such severe incident happens then who will be responsible ,supreme court,AICTE or UGC.If all loose my career than who will give compensation of so my future career .
    So I humbly request to ho’ble supreme court & all concern organisation to rethink over this major issue and resolve it by exempting of any qualifying exam which many can not be clear aftr so many years of his /her degree.

  25. Persons qualified long back as in 2006 are now, either placed in different important positions or moved abroad. It is very astonishing for them to note that all of a sudden their degrees are seized, which they have earned with efforts and zeal. This might happen to their other degrees as well, in due course of time.
    1. Also, it is more intresting that only one test will aceratin that they are eligible for the degrees. How can a professional qualification be justified as right or wrong by a single test. In addition to above, the candidates has to appear in the test after 11 years, which is again notable that how honorable court is so sure about the same mental and physical fitness of the candidates appearing as it was at that time, when he qualified.
    2. The question was related to graduate engineers and no way related to masters program as labs are not that essential in masters as in graduation level.
    3. Honorable court has not been informed about the study centers properly as there were full equipped study centers as well, and are situated in reputed Universities.

    Therefore it is my humble submission that, honarable court must review the orders in light of above facts and enquire the complete information before proceeding to implementation of the orders. Also, we in India look the judiciory as an apex and respectable body and do not expect such decisions which tends to alter the truthful image of the judiciory system of India. So the let the public be honoured for their beliefs.
    Sanjay

  26. After looking into numbers of feedback in this platform i am again excited to extend some of more common queries of about Mr. X
    If Mr. X decides to open shop for the survival of his family and quit his all research work due to cancellation of his degree then:
    (6) Is Mr. X loosing his degree, only, country is not going to loose a good researcher who has great potential to publish their work in journals, like IEEE transactions, Elsevier, Springer, etc. In fact the research works, publish in IEEE transactions level journals, are appreciated and cited for further research by the myriads of researchers across the globe. Therefore, such a research contribution need same importance as given to ‘100/200 runs’ in cricket. The importance to research is highly desirable for technical growth of the any nation. Honestly, it is unfortunate that here Mr. X is fighting for the survival of his family in stead of doing research and now planning to open shop. Can you imagine the mental status of Mr. X, now? Is this issue only for the victims ?
    (7) Is it possible that any degree is valid at the time of admission in higher education but now become invalid after the completion of higher education. While Mr. X has satisfied (passed) all the parameters, as set by concerned university under the guidance of UGC/AICTE, to complete their higher education. That is Mr. X has also passed in their course work , gave thesis presentation, publish papers, etc. His thesis is reviewed by external reviewer, and based on reviewers comments, based on his publications, based on his performances, Mr X got the degree.
    (8) What extra thing has been done by the other students, who have done their M.Tech Degree from NIT/IITs, for completing their Ph.D. Degree that is not done by Mr. X?
    (9) Should Mr. X performance during his Ph.D. work be compared with his batch-mates who have done their M.Tech from NITs/IITs before cancellation of his degree?

  27. Very important question please read and understand the issue:

    First Case:
    (10) If “Mr. Y” Ph.D. research guide is Dr. X. Mr. Y has now become Dr. Y under the guidance of “Dr. X”. Now if degree of “Dr. X” is cancelled then what will happen to Dr. Y? Is country ready to accept “Dr. Y” Ph. D guide is Mr. X (Earlier Dr. X) who is B.Tech, only.
    Second Case:
    (11) Suppose Dr. X is guiding 4-5 research scholars from last three-four years and their researcher scholars are now at the stage of completing Ph.D. Suddenly degree of Dr. X is cancelled and he became Mr. X. Then, what will happen to their research scholars. Will they select new guide and give next 4-5 years for completing their Ph.D?
    Who are the real victim? only Mr. X?. There is lot of confusions and queries i have stored. Please clarify?

  28. In addition to think what DEC/AICTE/UGC says about these four universities, there is also need to do impact analysis. Impact analysis plays vital role for design, development, and technical growth of the nation. Therefore, we need to think the negative consequence which may exist due to implementation of this decision. For this reason my comments cover that part, only. However, i am aware of all the letters, whose links are provided on above posts.

  29. What the Govt should look into is the contribution made by the the people who are being affected by the decision. Many of the people have achieved a lot and also contributed a lot to the society in terms of academic services, Research, social services etc. It is not fair to just simply ignore 12 years of efforts and contributions. The fees may be returned by the universities, but who, if at all possible, will return the lost 12 years of a person’s life.

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